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Title: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 19 December 2010, 10:53:25: does anyone have a link to numbers of extreme weather events around the world over the years(and what do you define as extreme)? is it me or is the planet seeing more and more? just the numbers - i'm not interested in who did what to whom :y

i read a report from NASA written in 2000 that said we'd see more flooding, heavier precipitation, colder winters, hotter summers etc now to me that feels correct but i'd like to see the numbers :o

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/view.php?id=21200

they're linking it to warming, but lets not - we've been over that - just the number of extreme events, we can worry about the "why" on another thread ;)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 19 December 2010, 11:06:37: imo Nasa report validates what we are witnessing everyday..

and one more fact, here my gas bills are reduced anyway which I'm happy with ;D ;D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Nickbat on 19 December 2010, 13:06:08: There's no way to record extreme weather events as such for the simple reasons that

a) Accurate weather records (temps, rainfall, windspeed etc) don't go back that far, i.e just a century and a half at best which is nothing in the grand scale of things

b) Recent recording of weather-related "disasters" has been done on the basis of insurance payouts, deaths etc. Given the higher population, urbanisation and the growth of the insurance claims business these have naturally trended higher (though not remarkably so, it must be said). I did have a link but can't find it right now.

And finally,

c) The growth of worldwide media reporting has greatly increased the publication of weather-related incidents, whilst the AGW business has heightened people's fear of "abnormal" weather.

Essentially, the weather we are experiencing has occurred before at various times in our history.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 December 2010, 13:12:45: Quote
There's no way to record extreme weather events as such for the simple reasons that

a) Accurate weather records (temps, rainfall, windspeed etc) don't go back that far, i.e just a century and a half at best which is nothing in the grand scale of things

b) Recent recording of weather-related "disasters" has been done on the basis of insurance payouts, deaths etc. Given the higher population, urbanisation and the growth of the insurance claims business these have naturally trended higher (though not remarkably so, it must be said). I did have a link but can't find it right now.

And finally,

c) The growth of worldwide media reporting has greatly increased the publication of weather-related incidents, whilst the AGW business has heightened people's fear of "abnormal" weather.

Essentially, the weather we are experiencing has occurred before at various times in our history.

Indeed it has Nick, and will go through this cycle time and time again over centuries to come. ;)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 19 December 2010, 13:54:55: yep Nick, I just want info that strips out all the perceptions and deals in facts not media hysteria or insurance cost :y
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Psychoca on 19 December 2010, 14:00:13: I personally feel that the current weather situation is more closely realted to the Mayan 2012 Prophecy... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 19 December 2010, 14:10:49: Quote
I personally feel that the current weather situation is more closely realted to the Mayan 2012 Prophecy... ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D, yeah those bozos are well out - 2 years too early :y
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: V6 CDX-er on 19 December 2010, 14:29:00: Quote
There's no way to record extreme weather events as such for the simple reasons that

a) Accurate weather records (temps, rainfall, windspeed etc) don't go back that far, i.e just a century and a half at best which is nothing in the grand scale of things

b) Recent recording of weather-related "disasters" has been done on the basis of insurance payouts, deaths etc. Given the higher population, urbanisation and the growth of the insurance claims business these have naturally trended higher (though not remarkably so, it must be said). I did have a link but can't find it right now.

And finally,

c) The growth of worldwide media reporting has greatly increased the publication of weather-related incidents, whilst the AGW business has heightened people's fear of "abnormal" weather.

Essentially, the weather we are experiencing has occurred before at various times in our history.

What he said ^^^^^^^^

We've been here before. Back in the 1940's-1950's. Weather patterns are constantly changing. It has always been thus, and always will be. Taxing the populas ever stupid amounts won't change this.

These current so called 'extreme' weather trends don't worry me one jot.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 19 December 2010, 14:46:19: i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting......... :o
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: V6 CDX-er on 19 December 2010, 15:59:58: Quote
i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting......... :o

As a poster above has already stated, mankind hasn't been measuring weather accuratley enough for long enough to gauge whether this weather is extreme or just a regular cycle.

Whilstever data is collected by some camps in a dubious manner to fit in with their own plans and quest for funding, (as in temp stations being located right next to air-con units for example, in order to give false reading of an increase in mean tempratures), and so called 'experts' such as those at the University of East Anglia continue to make false claims, I'll take it all with a pinch of salt and use my own eyes and judgement to decide if the weather is extreme, or (as the case may be) not.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposed

http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/university-of-east-anglia-inquiry-was-a-whitewash/

http://news.uk.msn.com/forum/thread.aspx?board=00000071-0328-0000-0000-000000000000&thread=5531197b-0475-4227-b33b-8fdf1fc5ae08

http://greenenergyreporter.com/policy/global-warming-skeptics-find-proof-of-climate-change-lies-in-stolen-climate-research-emails/

I remember winters and summers like this as a kid. Back then we had four sensible words for "climate change". They were Spring, Summer, Autumn & Winter, neatly packaged up into a shorter phrase of "Seasons".
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: PhilRich on 19 December 2010, 16:13:39: Quote
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i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting......... :o

As a poster above has already stated, mankind hasn't been measuring weather accuratley enough for long enough to gauge whether this weather is extreme or just a regular cycle.

Whilstever data is collected by some camps in a dubious manner to fit in with their own plans and quest for funding, (as in temp stations being located right next to air-con units for example, in order to give false reading of an increase in mean tempratures), and so called 'experts' such as those at the University of East Anglia continue to make false claims, I'll take it all with a pinch of salt and use my own eyes and judgement to decide if the weather is extreme, or (as the case may be) not.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposed

http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/university-of-east-anglia-inquiry-was-a-whitewash/

http://news.uk.msn.com/forum/thread.aspx?board=00000071-0328-0000-0000-000000000000&thread=5531197b-0475-4227-b33b-8fdf1fc5ae08

http://greenenergyreporter.com/policy/global-warming-skeptics-find-proof-of-climate-change-lies-in-stolen-climate-research-emails/

I remember winters and summers like this as a kid. Back then we had four sensible words for "climate change". They were Spring, Summer, Autumn & Winter, neatly packaged up into a shorter phrase of "Seasons".

Now that ^^^ is something we don't see or hear much of these days, I believe it used to be called Common Sense! ::) :y
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Nickbat on 19 December 2010, 16:35:40: Quote
yep Nick, I just want info that strips out all the perceptions and deals in facts not media hysteria or insurance cost :y

Check out the 1917-1923 period for snowfalls as we have now, indeed, probably worse.
This is the best I can dig out right now, BJ. UK only, but some references to world weather. Fascinating information. :y

http://www.booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/histclimat.htm
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 19 December 2010, 16:43:55: Quote
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yep Nick, I just want info that strips out all the perceptions and deals in facts not media hysteria or insurance cost :y

Check out the 1917-1923 period for snowfalls as we have now, indeed, probably worse.
This is the best I can dig out right now, BJ. UK only, but some references to world weather. Fascinating information. :y

http://www.booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/histclimat.htm

cheers Nick - very useful :y

and I remember having 4 seasons as a kid, but how often did we get, say a long, hot summer and a proper winter? i'll have a delve ;)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 19 December 2010, 16:46:13: interesting fact 1:

1975: snow in London and sleet in Portsmouth........in June!! :D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Nickbat on 19 December 2010, 16:50:39: Quote
interesting fact 1:

1975: snow in London and sleet in Portsmouth........in June!! :D

I actually remember that! In fact, I recall there a cricket match that was suspended due to snow. :o :o
That year, of course, preceded the 1976 very hot, dry (drought) summer, for which period I spent mainly at the local swimming pool with a girl from Scandinavia.... Memories, eh? ;)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: albitz on 19 December 2010, 16:53:23: Quote
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i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting......... :o

As a poster above has already stated, mankind hasn't been measuring weather accuratley enough for long enough to gauge whether this weather is extreme or just a regular cycle.

Whilstever data is collected by some camps in a dubious manner to fit in with their own plans and quest for funding, (as in temp stations being located right next to air-con units for example, in order to give false reading of an increase in mean tempratures), and so called 'experts' such as those at the University of East Anglia continue to make false claims, I'll take it all with a pinch of salt and use my own eyes and judgement to decide if the weather is extreme, or (as the case may be) not.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposed

http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/university-of-east-anglia-inquiry-was-a-whitewash/

http://news.uk.msn.com/forum/thread.aspx?board=00000071-0328-0000-0000-000000000000&thread=5531197b-0475-4227-b33b-8fdf1fc5ae08

http://greenenergyreporter.com/policy/global-warming-skeptics-find-proof-of-climate-change-lies-in-stolen-climate-research-emails/

I remember winters and summers like this as a kid. Back then we had four sensible words for "climate change". They were Spring, Summer, Autumn & Winter, neatly packaged up into a shorter phrase of "Seasons".

Now that ^^^ is something we don't see or hear much of these days, I believe it used to be called Common Sense! ::) :y
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But in todays educated, progressive, scientifically advanced world it is now known as denial/backward looking/ and worst of all, unprogressive.
We must be "progressive" these days. It doesnt matter which direction we are progressing in, as long as we are progressing.
Everything must change. :(
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 19 December 2010, 16:53:51: Quote
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interesting fact 1:

1975: snow in London and sleet in Portsmouth........in June!! :D

I actually remember that! In fact, I recall there a cricket match that was suspended due to snow. :o :o
That year, of course, preceded the 1976 very hot, dry (drought) summer, for which period I spent mainly at the local swimming pool with a girl from Scandinavia.... Memories, eh? ;)

I saw that movie - were you the "pool cleaner" with the dodgy mustache? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 19 December 2010, 16:59:32: Quote
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i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting......... :o

As a poster above has already stated, mankind hasn't been measuring weather accuratley enough for long enough to gauge whether this weather is extreme or just a regular cycle.

Whilstever data is collected by some camps in a dubious manner to fit in with their own plans and quest for funding, (as in temp stations being located right next to air-con units for example, in order to give false reading of an increase in mean tempratures), and so called 'experts' such as those at the University of East Anglia continue to make false claims, I'll take it all with a pinch of salt and use my own eyes and judgement to decide if the weather is extreme, or (as the case may be) not.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposed

http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/university-of-east-anglia-inquiry-was-a-whitewash/

http://news.uk.msn.com/forum/thread.aspx?board=00000071-0328-0000-0000-000000000000&thread=5531197b-0475-4227-b33b-8fdf1fc5ae08

http://greenenergyreporter.com/policy/global-warming-skeptics-find-proof-of-climate-change-lies-in-stolen-climate-research-emails/

I remember winters and summers like this as a kid. Back then we had four sensible words for "climate change". They were Spring, Summer, Autumn & Winter, neatly packaged up into a shorter phrase of "Seasons".

Now that ^^^ is something we don't see or hear much of these days, I believe it used to be called Common Sense! ::) :y
[/highlight]
But in todays educated, progressive, scientifically advanced world it is now known as denial/backward looking/ and worst of all, unprogressive.
We must be "progressive" these days. It doesnt matter which direction we are progressing in, as long as we are progressing.
Everything must change. :(

theres an element of that Albs, we've lost our grounding in common sense to make everything allegedly more efficient/safer/cheaper/quicker when in reality it does the opposite in most cases ;D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: V6 CDX-er on 19 December 2010, 17:07:11: Quote
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i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting......... :o

As a poster above has already stated, mankind hasn't been measuring weather accuratley enough for long enough to gauge whether this weather is extreme or just a regular cycle.

Whilstever data is collected by some camps in a dubious manner to fit in with their own plans and quest for funding, (as in temp stations being located right next to air-con units for example, in order to give false reading of an increase in mean tempratures), and so called 'experts' such as those at the University of East Anglia continue to make false claims, I'll take it all with a pinch of salt and use my own eyes and judgement to decide if the weather is extreme, or (as the case may be) not.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposed

http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/university-of-east-anglia-inquiry-was-a-whitewash/

http://news.uk.msn.com/forum/thread.aspx?board=00000071-0328-0000-0000-000000000000&thread=5531197b-0475-4227-b33b-8fdf1fc5ae08

http://greenenergyreporter.com/policy/global-warming-skeptics-find-proof-of-climate-change-lies-in-stolen-climate-research-emails/

I remember winters and summers like this as a kid. Back then we had four sensible words for "climate change". They were Spring, Summer, Autumn & Winter, neatly packaged up into a shorter phrase of "Seasons".

Now that ^^^ is something we don't see or hear much of these days, I believe it used to be called Common Sense! ::) :y
[/highlight]
But in todays educated, progressive, scientifically advanced world it is now known as denial/backward looking/ and worst of all, unprogressive.
We must be "progressive" these days. It doesnt matter which direction we are progressing in, as long as we are progressing.
Everything must change. :(

theres an element of that Albs, we've lost our grounding in common sense to make everything allegedly more efficient/safer/cheaper/quicker when in reality it does the opposite in most cases ;D

What will be will be.

You, I, everyone on here, in fact everyone else on this silly little planet is just a tiny spec of dust in a universe so vast, great minds believe it has no end.

It doesn't matter what we do, or what we say, we're here for just the blink of an eye.

Even if MMGW is a fact and not an, (as of yet, proved), theory, and even if we do manage to 'fix' it, mankind will continue to do what it has done best for a millenia, and that is destroy itself.

No point losing any sleep over that fact IMO, as there is nothing I can do about it.

I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: albitz on 19 December 2010, 17:07:47: If I hear one more politician use the "progressive" word......
We are governed by policies derived from asking loaded questions to focus groups imo, politicians these days have never lived outside of the bubble that is politics, so they believe that a focus group will give them the opinions of "the real people". Does anyone know anyone who has ever been a member of a focus group ? me neither.
Hence, the current shambles. :(
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: aaronjb on 19 December 2010, 17:11:00: Quote
I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Amen. Although when you boil it down to that, life doesn't half seem pointless, eh?

Quick, someone pass me the razor blade!
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 December 2010, 17:35:42: Quote
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I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Amen. Although when you boil it down to that, life doesn't half seem pointless, eh?

Quick, someone pass me the razor blade!

Well actually no Aaron as we all will experience much between being born and dying, which will be our test before going through the veil and graduating to the next plain of existence. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: aaronjb on 19 December 2010, 17:43:07: Quote
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I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Amen. Although when you boil it down to that, life doesn't half seem pointless, eh?

Quick, someone pass me the razor blade!

Well actually no Aaron as we all will experience much between being born and dying, which will be our test before going through the veil and graduating to the next plain of existence. ;) ;)

Very true, of course.. otherwise when you boil it down like that, the only difference between us and a mayfly is the taxes & retirement :D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 December 2010, 17:46:48: Quote
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I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Amen. Although when you boil it down to that, life doesn't half seem pointless, eh?

Quick, someone pass me the razor blade!

Well actually no Aaron as we all will experience much between being born and dying, which will be our test before going through the veil and graduating to the next plain of existence. ;) ;)

Very true, of course.. otherwise when you boil it down like that, the only difference between us and a mayfly is the taxes & retirement :D

Plus we both have very quick sex! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: aaronjb on 19 December 2010, 17:47:52: Quote
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I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Amen. Although when you boil it down to that, life doesn't half seem pointless, eh?

Quick, someone pass me the razor blade!

Well actually no Aaron as we all will experience much between being born and dying, which will be our test before going through the veil and graduating to the next plain of existence. ;) ;)

Very true, of course.. otherwise when you boil it down like that, the only difference between us and a mayfly is the taxes & retirement :D

Plus we both have very quick sex! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
:D ;D ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 19 December 2010, 19:19:32: Quote
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I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Amen. Although when you boil it down to that, life doesn't half seem pointless, eh?

Quick, someone pass me the razor blade!

Well actually no Aaron as we all will experience much between being born and dying, which will be our test before going through the veil and graduating to the next plain of existence. ;) ;)

how do you know you haven't already? maybe this is the last level and we're totally screwing it up ;D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Nickbat on 19 December 2010, 19:39:26: I couldn't resist posting this: ;) ;D

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these ~~twits~~ senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs. ;) ::)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 December 2010, 19:51:12: Quote
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I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Amen. Although when you boil it down to that, life doesn't half seem pointless, eh?

Quick, someone pass me the razor blade!

Well actually no Aaron as we all will experience much between being born and dying, which will be our test before going through the veil and graduating to the next plain of existence. ;) ;)

how do you know you haven't already? maybe this is the last level and we're totally screwing it up ;D

I don't know about you BJ, but I often feel that I am! ::) ::) ::)

The next level must be better...........................I hope! ;)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 19 December 2010, 19:52:40: Quote

What will be will be.

You, I, everyone on here, in fact everyone else on this silly little planet is just a tiny spec of dust in a universe so vast, great minds believe it has no end.

It doesn't matter what we do, or what we say, we're here for just the blink of an eye.

Even if MMGW is a fact and not an, (as of yet, proved), theory, and even if we do manage to 'fix' it, mankind will continue to do what it has done best for a millenia, and that is destroy itself.

No point losing any sleep over that fact IMO, as there is nothing I can do about it.

I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Yes, for the most part I'm happy to agree with that 6. :y

Although we should really continue to test our collective ability for it is through this determination and desire for knowledge we, as a race, have achieved great things.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: markfree on 19 December 2010, 20:02:23: Quote
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I personally feel that the current weather situation is more closely realted to the Mayan 2012 Prophecy... ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D, yeah those bozos are well out - 2 years too early :y

Were all doomed I tell Ye were all doomed ;D ;D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: markfree on 19 December 2010, 20:32:52: Quote
i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting......... :o

You would have to have at least a million years worth of statistics to prove/disprove wether or not man has had any effect on climate change.

Where I am sitting now 250 million years ago I would be sunning myself in my deckchair (with my knotted hanky on my head) basking in 30-35 degrees of heat watching my pet tyrannosaurus rex devour next doors ~~moggy~~ triceratops while sipping my bottle of old jock.

Twenty thousand years ago I would be entombed in ice.

All goes to show that the earth warms and cools - how much man has had an influence is open to debate.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: V6 CDX-er on 19 December 2010, 22:00:10: Quote
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What will be will be.

You, I, everyone on here, in fact everyone else on this silly little planet is just a tiny spec of dust in a universe so vast, great minds believe it has no end.

It doesn't matter what we do, or what we say, we're here for just the blink of an eye.

Even if MMGW is a fact and not an, (as of yet, proved), theory, and even if we do manage to 'fix' it, mankind will continue to do what it has done best for a millenia, and that is destroy itself.

No point losing any sleep over that fact IMO, as there is nothing I can do about it.

I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Yes, for the most part I'm happy to agree with that 6. :y

Although we should really continue to test our collective ability for it is through this determination and desire for knowledge we, as a race, have achieved great things.

Absolutly.

I'm not Christian, Buddist, Hindu or Muslim. My religion is science. That's the reason why we walk on two legs, can light fires and fly to the moon.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: CaptainZok on 20 December 2010, 11:37:39: Quote
I couldn't resist posting this: ;) ;D

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these ~~twits~~ senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs. ;) ::)
Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 20 December 2010, 12:27:11: Quote
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I couldn't resist posting this: ;) ;D

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these ~~twits~~ senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs. ;) ::)
Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.

and how would you feel if the government now went ahead and invested billions in snow clearance the length and breadth of the country and it turns out to be a couple of freak winters? you can't legislate for extreme weather without spending money we don't have, but if "extreme" becomes "annual" and therefore "normal" then its certainly worth a bob or two :y
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: CaptainZok on 20 December 2010, 12:50:29: Quote
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I couldn't resist posting this: ;) ;D

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these ~~twits~~ senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs. ;) ::)
Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.

and how would you feel if the government now went ahead and invested billions in snow clearance the length and breadth of the country and it turns out to be a couple of freak winters? you can't legislate for extreme weather without spending money we don't have, but if "extreme" becomes "annual" and therefore "normal" then its certainly worth a bob or two :y
My point was the councils used to have all the kit, arrangements with local farmers etc but I was wondering if someone told them they no longer needed it so it was disposed of.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 20 December 2010, 13:11:01: Quote
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I couldn't resist posting this: ;) ;D

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these ~~twits~~ senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs. ;) ::)
Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.

and how would you feel if the government now went ahead and invested billions in snow clearance the length and breadth of the country and it turns out to be a couple of freak winters? you can't legislate for extreme weather without spending money we don't have, but if "extreme" becomes "annual" and therefore "normal" then its certainly worth a bob or two :y
My point was the councils used to have all the kit, arrangements with local farmers etc but I was wondering if someone told them they no longer needed it so it was disposed of.

I must say that all I can remember is the councils having some of their lorries with snow plough attachment gear, with a plough actually stuck onto it when the snow came down. Oh, and yes there could be a chap standing in the back of the lorry shovelling out the grit! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 20 December 2010, 13:45:43: they should fit blades to every bin lorry in affected areas, they're out and about anyway - plus I'd give folk with gigantor 4x4 military assualt vehicles a tax break if they fit a plough to the front of their Chelsea tractor (proper ones anyway - Landies, Hiluxes, etc as opposed to the soft-roaders with Xs and Qs in the titles - useless) :y
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: CaptainZok on 20 December 2010, 13:50:05: Can't see a few blades, hydraulic frames and cab mounted spot lights for the council tippers breaking the bank tbh.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 20 December 2010, 14:01:49: Quote
Can't see a few blades, hydraulic frames and cab mounted spot lights for the council tippers breaking the bank tbh.

exactly, a few grand per truck and it would save millions in lost business days and hence tax revenue :y
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 20 December 2010, 14:04:55: I was out earlier to do a recce of the main connections to the motorway as I have to make a trip in a few days.

I'm sorry to say that not only the 'B' road I live off but the main 'A' road I have to use to get as far as the motorway remains unploughed.

I called at some shops in the local village and was greeted by grim scenes with shopkeepers trying to clear snow from the pavements.

No officials from any department to be seen leaving the impression that the area in general has been abandoned.

It was gratifying to see that many trades-people had made the effort to carry on as best they could as the shops were well stocked.

The general standard of driving was border-line to say the least with many wheels spinning, gaps too much on the side of intimacy to be comfortable and speed on the upper-end of what was sensible.

Over and above that I was able to complete my task without any of these droogs getting in my way too much.

Temp. as I set off:

(http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/Catdracula/SDC10391.jpg)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 20 December 2010, 14:19:57: Radio 3 - I knew you had class Z :y

what you say is true about the driving - too many people dont seem to realise the difference a drop in temp makes :o
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: V6 CDX-er on 20 December 2010, 22:55:29: Quote
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I couldn't resist posting this: ;) ;D

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these ~~twits~~ senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs. ;) ::)
Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.

and how would you feel if the government now went ahead and invested billions in snow clearance the length and breadth of the country and it turns out to be a couple of freak winters? you can't legislate for extreme weather without spending money we don't have, but if "extreme" becomes "annual" and therefore "normal" then its certainly worth a bob or two :y
My point was the councils used to have all the kit, arrangements with local farmers etc but I was wondering if someone told them they no longer needed it so it was disposed of.

To be fair, North East Derbyshire, both this year and last, have been great.
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Lioned on 20 December 2010, 23:38:33: Global warming or new ice age - new tax on iceicles on the way (http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/08/another-little-ice-age-solar-activity-and-climate-change.ars)

OR

This may be of more interest - clicky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Hailstone.jpg/300px-Hailstone.jpg)a rather large hailstone around 18" circumference and a 15" snowflake.That extreme enough for you ?
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Andy B on 20 December 2010, 23:43:25: Quote
.....
OR

This may be of more interest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records)

Cold
Lowest temperatures ever recorded
Temperature Location Date
Antarctica / On Earth [ch8722]89.2 °C ([ch8722]128.6 °F) Vostok Station 1983-01-12[58][56]

How cold?! :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Banjax on 21 December 2010, 12:08:16: interesting looking at that list of temperature records for individual countries is the amount of highest temperatures set in 2010 :o

this year is set to be the warmest on earth since accurate records began, which i think leads to moister air and more extreme events - storms, flooding, cyclones etc but i'm still loooking for info - thanks for all the great links so far :y
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Nickbat on 21 December 2010, 13:30:43: Quote
interesting looking at that list of temperature records for individual countries is the amount of highest temperatures set in 2010 :o

this year is set to be the warmest on earth since accurate records began, which i think leads to moister air and more extreme events - storms, flooding, cyclones etc but i'm still loooking for info - thanks for all the great links so far :y

Maybe you should take a look at this article, BJ.
Hot spots? Just make 'em up. ;) ;D

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/20/australias-white-summer-monbiots-red-fury/#more-29819
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: aaronjb on 21 December 2010, 16:22:06: This thread lead me to this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_420ky_4curves_insolation.jpg

So according to that, the temperature curve is more or less a sawtooth of variable periodicity, and we're just creeping back up to the 'peak' before falling off again..
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 21 December 2010, 16:35:28: Quote
This thread lead me to this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_420ky_4curves_insolation.jpg

So according to that, the temperature curve is more or less a sawtooth of variable periodicity, and we're just creeping back up to the 'peak' before falling off again..

That looks Aaron very much like my life signs on the doctors screens; yes I am just creeping back up to my peak before falling off again...........into old age!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 21 December 2010, 17:40:55: Quote
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This thread lead me to this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_420ky_4curves_insolation.jpg

So according to that, the temperature curve is more or less a sawtooth of variable periodicity, and we're just creeping back up to the 'peak' before falling off again..

That looks Aaron very much like my life signs on the doctors screens; yes I am just creeping back up to my peak before falling off again...........into old age!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)

You're only as old as the person you're feeling Lizzie. :-* :-* :-* :-* :y
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 21 December 2010, 17:42:04: Quote
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This thread lead me to this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_420ky_4curves_insolation.jpg

So according to that, the temperature curve is more or less a sawtooth of variable periodicity, and we're just creeping back up to the 'peak' before falling off again..

That looks Aaron very much like my life signs on the doctors screens; yes I am just creeping back up to my peak before falling off again...........into old age!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)

You're only as old as the person you're feeling Lizzie. :-* :-* :-* :-* :y

Ahhhhhhhhh, you are so sweet Zulu!! :-* :-* :-* :-*

Happy Christmas!! :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 21 December 2010, 17:56:06: Quote
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This thread lead me to this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_420ky_4curves_insolation.jpg

So according to that, the temperature curve is more or less a sawtooth of variable periodicity, and we're just creeping back up to the 'peak' before falling off again..

That looks Aaron very much like my life signs on the doctors screens; yes I am just creeping back up to my peak before falling off again...........into old age!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)

You're only as old as the person you're feeling Lizzie. :-* :-* :-* :-* :y

Ahhhhhhhhh, you are so sweet Zulu!! :-* :-* :-* :-*

Happy Christmas!! :D :D :D ;)

Thank you Lizzie :-* :-* - and to you. 8-) :y
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: aaronjb on 21 December 2010, 19:27:54: Quote
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This thread lead me to this graph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_420ky_4curves_insolation.jpg

So according to that, the temperature curve is more or less a sawtooth of variable periodicity, and we're just creeping back up to the 'peak' before falling off again..

That looks Aaron very much like my life signs on the doctors screens; yes I am just creeping back up to my peak before falling off again...........into old age!! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
:D :D :D :D

Well as someone else said, you're only as old as the person you're feeling.

So if anyone (female!) wants to feel 32, I'm free! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Extreme weather
Post by: Nickbat on 21 December 2010, 23:12:01: About a year ago, in New Zealand, the National Weather Bureau, NWIA, presented a graph of steadily rising temperatures, in keeping with the global warming meme.

Unfortunately for them, the Climate Conversation Group & the NZ Climate Coalition challenged the graph and after 12 months of futile attempts to persuade the public, misleading answers to questions in the Parliament from ACT and reluctant but gradual capitulation from NIWA, their relentless defence of the old temperature series has simply evaporated.

They’ve now admitted that there has been no warming since about 1960.

Link: http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/12/21/new-new-zealand-temperature-records-no-warming.html

Beware of scams! ;) ;D ;D