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Title: Why lower your mig?
Post by: freecall666 on 02 January 2011, 03:43:41
what are the good points can see loads of bad points but why doit?? ;)
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: Del Boy on 02 January 2011, 09:34:28
Looks better, handles nicer, looks better :)
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: feeutfo on 02 January 2011, 09:50:58
Lower c of g, less body roll, smaller range of movement means front bushes last longer, and less camber deflection might mean less tyre wear giving a flatter tyre profile for longer. Which might explain why Elite handling seems to degrade more than mv6 when tyres get to the end of their life.

Edit to add, bushes only last longer if wishbone bolts re turqued after fitting.
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 02 January 2011, 10:01:29
definitely will handle better in curves, will be more stable on road and look better BUT you will feel every stone and every road irregularity... and I'm not that sure shocks can remain as long as the original height.. No!
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: TheBoy on 02 January 2011, 10:43:07
But the car was designed for a certain ride height - thus simply just lowering can bugger up handling.


Another problem is, given the recent poor weather, my modestly factory lowered MV6, with full petrol and LPG tanks, and various junk in boot to provide traction, has dragging its diff through the ice and snow. Some of the ice clumps it hit, I thought it was going to crack the casing - you could feel the car lift up as it went over it :o
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: freecall666 on 02 January 2011, 10:46:15
now mine is not lowerd, but I have problems getting on ramps, and getting a jack under, bumpers get in way but suspension is good, so if mine was lowerd id never be able to get over speed bumps..... :-?
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: TheBoy on 02 January 2011, 10:46:19
That said, my MV6 does handle far, far better than my Elite when changing direction multiple times in quick succession, though not entirely sure if thats due to springs/shocks/facelift v prefacelift (golden nugget, my old facelift elite, handled like this elite, where as Tractor, my old prefacelift Elite TD handled very well)...
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: TheBoy on 02 January 2011, 10:49:05
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now mine is not lowerd, but I have problems getting on ramps, and getting a jack under, bumpers get in way but suspension is good, so if mine was lowerd id never be able to get over speed bumps..... :-?
Depends how much you lowered it. 15-30mm won't cause issues with speed bumps (there are much lower cars), but if you go 100% chav, and lower further, you will start to hit problems - exhaust and diff are quite low at rear, and the sump isn't exactly high (says the bloke who caught a sump plug at 80mph ::))
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: freecall666 on 02 January 2011, 10:54:12
so really if you put sport tyers on you get the same lowering then???
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: TheBoy on 02 January 2011, 10:55:01
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so really if you put sport tyers on you get the same lowering then???
Eh?
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 02 January 2011, 10:55:41
Although I prefer the standard look of the car, I think the Doc did quite a good job with his;


http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1284220865/38#38
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: freecall666 on 02 January 2011, 10:57:29
some of the sport tyers are 30mm to 1inch smaller than reg tyers.. what is it low rims i think they are called..
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: feeutfo on 02 January 2011, 11:01:38
Think you mean lower profile. Sure fire way to make the ride harsh IMO. First component of any suspension is the tyre, specifically the profile hight.... And tyre pressure!
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: TheBoy on 02 January 2011, 11:23:20
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some of the sport tyers are 30mm to 1inch smaller than reg tyers.. what is it low rims i think they are called..
But (if done correctly), the wheel diameter is the same, so ride height is the same, so CoG remains the same.  The springs and shocks are tthe same.

So in effect, you ruin the ride for no gain...
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: freecall666 on 02 January 2011, 11:29:21
ahh, :y :)
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 02 January 2011, 12:37:39
even with standard height sometimes I touch or hit speed bumpers (and I was careful !) and I also have problem with garage exits as the inclines are ridiculous , also in urgent cases I cant climb even low kerbs .. so definitely a no no from me..
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: Turk on 02 January 2011, 13:02:40
I lowered my previous Omega by 40mm ('Chav spec')and changed to slightly upgraded but std length Monroe shocks and adjustable polybushes on the rear.
Handling for a 'big old barge' was excellent, bordering on 'track-day' stuff, yet the ride wasn't too harsh. 
Ran it like this for about three years and found that tyre wear was perfectly flat on each corner.   
Slight grounding over the larger/wider speed bumps.

Basically, done properly with a full geo it's a definate thumbs up for handling and looks, but you will occasionally have clearance issues.
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: feeutfo on 02 January 2011, 13:14:30
Pervious 3.2 elite with mv6 suspension was fine at 15 mil lower obviosly, but add an irmscher front air dam and it would rub the floor dropping off the far side of speed bumps. Riding kerbs or parking with front wheels right up to kerbs was a definate no no. Or was that oh no!   :'(
Title: Re: Why lower your mig?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 02 January 2011, 16:04:45
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even with standard height sometimes I touch or hit speed bumps (and I was careful !) and I also have problem with garage exits as the inclines are ridiculous , also in urgent cases I cant climb even low kerbs .. so definitely a no no from me..

some speed bumps are made of concrete here, they are enormous not like the standard ones ,I'll take a piccy and show my horror ;D