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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: CaptainZok on 03 January 2011, 15:28:21
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Just got some old film coming on the telly which the announced said was also availible in "sparkly High Definition". The question is how, as the film was shot before the advent of high def will it be any more than an upscaled version of the original which the media centre can do quite well on it's own?
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Just got some old film coming on the telly which the announced said was also availible in "sparkly High Definition". The question is how, as the film was shot before the advent of high def will it be any more than an upscaled version of the original which the media centre can do quite well on it's own?
It will likely be an upscaled version, so likely no difference than your MCE upscaler...
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My question is .... Is HD worth having as I object to paying Sky an extra tenner a month for it if there is little difference to your veiwing
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My question is .... Is HD worth having as I object to paying Sky an extra tenner a month for it if there is little difference to your veiwing
The cynic in me would suggest Sky degraded the quality of their SD to make HD seem much better.
Sky HD is significantly better than Sky SD. Sky HD is noticibly better than Freeview SD. Not sure how Sky HD compares to Freeview HD, as not seen the 2 side by side...
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My question is .... Is HD worth having as I object to paying Sky an extra tenner a month for it if there is little difference to your veiwing
The cynic in me would suggest Sky degraded the quality of their SD to make HD seem much better.
Sky HD is significantly better than Sky SD. Sky HD is noticibly better than Freeview SD. Not sure how Sky HD compares to Freeview HD, as not seen the 2 side by side...
Cheers TB .... Think its best that I keep my money in my pocket then :D :D
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Just got some old film coming on the telly which the announced said was also availible in "sparkly High Definition". The question is how, as the film was shot before the advent of high def will it be any more than an upscaled version of the original which the media centre can do quite well on it's own?
It will likely be an upscaled version, so likely no difference than your MCE upscaler...
That depends if it's been released as a proper HD release, surely?
Something that was never available as HD will 'just' be upscaled SD, but given the 'resolution' of celluloid film stock is considerably in excess of 1080p resolution it's entirely possible to have an 'old' film (at least one filmed on 'modern' 35mm film stock) in true HD.
The study indicated a 35mm negative has a resolution in excess of 2400 lines by picture height but obviously we don’t watch negatives, the film has to be processed into a stock reel. Those tested stock reels were found to have a maximum comparative line resolution of 1400 lines P/H, still considerably more resolution than 1080p’s vertical integer. (Note: the P/H formula is used because film has the same vertical and horizontal resolution, where video does not.)
From: http://www.hometheaterblog.com/hometheater/2006/04/mailbag-hd-movies-and-the-resolution-of-film/
Which sources the ITU-R 'subgroup 6' study.
Why always so cynical, TB ;)
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It was probably shot on 35mm stock so the definition produced most likely exceeds that of 'Full HD'.
Chris H is probably the man to give the answer.
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I have to agree. Film was always a good medium and although it had its foibles (grain, colour stability over time etc.) most people grew up with it so see it as a reference and there are even a lot of professionals who would like to (and do) distort electronically-originated material to emulate it.
Apart from nitrate stock that could spontaneously combust and a load of 16mm stuff that had its own peculiarities, not least poor resolution, there is a cracking archive of better-than-SDTV stuff to be found. There was even a 70mm format that was used over a long period.
Another little-known fact about tv is that on the old PAL colour system, if you wanted to show a black & white film, you could (and they didn't always) switch off the colour system and the bandwidth would increase dramatically giving effectively HD tv at the expense of colour. Not as HD as today's offerings but certainly very noticeable.
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There are some fantastic HD transfers of older films out there, too - Blade Runner looked spectacular - although there are of course some less than great transfers.. the original Star Trek series suffers anywhere there was use of blue-screening, for example :(
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I agree some old films are amazing - you have to buy Blade Runner on BluRay.
As to HD if you can manage on BBC and ITV get a Freesat HD box.
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the hd channels on virgin are pretty good especially the sports and movie channels :y
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Soz, when Zok said old film, I immediately got Charlie Chaplin type films in my head ;D ;D
Martin Imber - I considered putting up a dish for freesat, but Freeview HD is with us shortly (September here, delayed as transmitted burnt down last Spring).
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Also, having MCE blurs the destinction slightly, as it is a stunningly good upscaler. Upscaling cannot put missing info in, obviously, but unless you play the same film side-by-side in HD and SD, its bloody hard to tell the difference.
Casino Royale is probably the only film I have on DVD and in HD. The opening credits are noticibly better, but the actual film is only noticible if you are looking out for it.
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Yes I was toying with the idea of sticking a dual lnb on the old sky dish and fitting a sat card, or just wait till the new crop of dtv cards are with us and go freeview HD.
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Yes I was toying with the idea of sticking a dual lnb on the old sky dish and fitting a sat card, or just wait till the new crop of dtv cards are with us and go freeview HD.
Blackgold 6-in-1's are back, and I believe they are DVB-T2, so could have best of both.
Unsure of driver/firmware stability though. Not used them.
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I've got Freesat HD and Freeview HD and the picture quality is very even between them. Freeview HD gives you more HD channels than Freesat HD.
My lads got Sky HD, but I object to paying Sky prices and find that Freeview gives me more than enough channels. I can remember the launch of the third channel (BBC2) in the mid '60s and frankly think that there are too many channels available now.
Just my views of course.
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Yes I was toying with the idea of sticking a dual lnb on the old sky dish and fitting a sat card, or just wait till the new crop of dtv cards are with us and go freeview HD.
Blackgold 6-in-1's are back, and I believe they are DVB-T2, so could have best of both.
Unsure of driver/firmware stability though. Not used them.
Would the PSU in my Artisan case drive that card?
(E7500 Core Duo, 3 Gig ram, Intel DG45 & Win 7)
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I've got Freesat HD and Freeview HD and the picture quality is very even between them. Freeview HD gives you more HD channels than Freesat HD.
My lads got Sky HD, but I object to paying Sky prices and find that Freeview gives me more than enough channels. I can remember the launch of the third channel (BBC2) in the mid '60s and frankly think that there are too many channels available now.
Just my views of course.
You are not alone.... scary.
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Yes, the leap from 405 lines to 625 lines was traumatic enough. :( :(
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Yes I was toying with the idea of sticking a dual lnb on the old sky dish and fitting a sat card, or just wait till the new crop of dtv cards are with us and go freeview HD.
Blackgold 6-in-1's are back, and I believe they are DVB-T2, so could have best of both.
Unsure of driver/firmware stability though. Not used them.
Would the PSU in my Artisan case drive that card?
(E7500 Core Duo, 3 Gig ram, Intel DG45 & Win 7)
Given the integrated graphics (assuming you use X4500HD) and the modest chip (65W), the Artisan PSU should be fine.
I was looking at getting one to set alongside the HVR2200 I have and to replace the troublesome Nova DT500, but don't think I'll bother with Freesat.
My Artisan (LX) PSU seems to cope well with my DG45ID, 2G, C2D Quad (95W iirc), HVR2200, DT500, 1.5Tb Spinpoint and a PITA Optiarc DVD drive. Occasionally has a couple of USB HDD's plugged in as well.
Can't imagine the BlackGold being that juicy for power?
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My question is .... Is HD worth having as I object to paying Sky an extra tenner a month for it if there is little difference to your veiwing
The cynic in me would suggest Sky degraded the quality of their SD to make HD seem much better.
Sky HD is significantly better than Sky SD. Sky HD is noticibly better than Freeview SD. Not sure how Sky HD compares to Freeview HD, as not seen the 2 side by side...
An interesting point here.
When I got my HD subscription I also bought a 24" Dell PC Monitor that has HDMI in. I set the Dell up on the HDMI out lead and my 24" Toshiba CRT on the old coax and straight away I was totally disapointed in the picture out to the Dell on both HD and SD.
So yes I tend to agree with there Jamie. Allthough I havent compaiered pic quality from a 42" plasma or LCD with the 24" PC monitor which is 1920 x 1080 res but going on the undersatnding sky expect all HD customers to have an LCD/Plasma of a decent size then yes, I think the poorer screen image is allowing them to manipulate the end results. :-/
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I forgot to mention that the Govt is expecting to issue the 1000th TV broadcasting licence in this country early this year :-X
Now, if Sky would give me Nat Geographic and Discovery for a fiver a month then I'd go for it - but I don't see that happening somehow. Hey ho, I think I'll go out this evening & interact with real people - he said sitting on an on-line forum :-[
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Soz, when Zok said old film, I immediately got Charlie Chaplin type films in my head ;D ;D
Fair point actually, I didn't consider films that old.. ;D Anything pre 'modern' 35mm stock won't be HD (though I'm not sure when 'modern' really begins - 1960s, maybe? Sounds like Chris_H probably knows :)) whatever way you cut it :D
I've been meaning to kill off my Sky contract for a while now - I just don't switch the box on - but the HD picture does look pretty good on my set (50" LG 1080p Plasma), though it's still not as good as a native BluRay of course - it never could be, for a start it's only 720p/1080i and the bitrate is never going to be anything like BR.
In fact the only time the Sky box has been on since June/July was over Christmas when the 'rents came to stay..
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Given the integrated graphics (assuming you use X4500HD) and the modest chip (65W), the Artisan PSU should be fine.
I was looking at getting one to set alongside the HVR2200 I have and to replace the troublesome Nova DT500, but don't think I'll bother with Freesat.
My Artisan (LX) PSU seems to cope well with my DG45ID, 2G, C2D Quad (95W iirc), HVR2200, DT500, 1.5Tb Spinpoint and a PITA Optiarc DVD drive. Occasionally has a couple of USB HDD's plugged in as well.
Can't imagine the BlackGold being that juicy for power?
I'll probably put one in to try it, when I redid the systems I fully cabled an octo LNB so I have a bit of capacity to spare.
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I want to get Freeview HD soon. Can't quite manage on the HDR alone, and we nearly lost sat reception in the snow.
I am sure a few lost their sky as they have little dishes
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Given the integrated graphics (assuming you use X4500HD) and the modest chip (65W), the Artisan PSU should be fine.
I was looking at getting one to set alongside the HVR2200 I have and to replace the troublesome Nova DT500, but don't think I'll bother with Freesat.
My Artisan (LX) PSU seems to cope well with my DG45ID, 2G, C2D Quad (95W iirc), HVR2200, DT500, 1.5Tb Spinpoint and a PITA Optiarc DVD drive. Occasionally has a couple of USB HDD's plugged in as well.
Can't imagine the BlackGold being that juicy for power?
I'll probably put one in to try it, when I redid the systems I fully cabled an octo LNB so I have a bit of capacity to spare.
Double check its dvb-t2 before buying...
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My question is .... Is HD worth having as I object to paying Sky an extra tenner a month for it if there is little difference to your veiwing
The cynic in me would suggest Sky degraded the quality of their SD to make HD seem much better.
Sky HD is significantly better than Sky SD. Sky HD is noticibly better than Freeview SD. Not sure how Sky HD compares to Freeview HD, as not seen the 2 side by side...
I have been told by "the experts" that we will not receive Freeview HD until the anologue transmitters are turned off in each region TB. For us down here that means 2012. ;)
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My question is .... Is HD worth having as I object to paying Sky an extra tenner a month for it if there is little difference to your veiwing
The cynic in me would suggest Sky degraded the quality of their SD to make HD seem much better.
Sky HD is significantly better than Sky SD. Sky HD is noticibly better than Freeview SD. Not sure how Sky HD compares to Freeview HD, as not seen the 2 side by side...
I have been told by "the experts" that we will not receive Freeview HD until the anologue transmitters are turned off in each region TB. For us down here that means 2012. ;)
That is correct, Freeview HD comes with DSO. Oxford was due for Spring 2011, but Beckley transmitter went bang one day when they were testing the DSO stuff ;D, hence the delay in these parts.
Be aware, *any* Freeview decoders older than 6 months will *NOT* be able to receive the HD channels. Even some decoders and TVs now cannot decode the Freeview HD transmissions. The standard you are looking for is DVB-T2.
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My question is .... Is HD worth having as I object to paying Sky an extra tenner a month for it if there is little difference to your veiwing
The cynic in me would suggest Sky degraded the quality of their SD to make HD seem much better.
Sky HD is significantly better than Sky SD. Sky HD is noticibly better than Freeview SD. Not sure how Sky HD compares to Freeview HD, as not seen the 2 side by side...
I have been told by "the experts" that we will not receive Freeview HD until the anologue transmitters are turned off in each region TB. For us down here that means 2012. ;)
That is correct, Freeview HD comes with DSO. Oxford was due for Spring 2011, but Beckley transmitter went bang one day when they were testing the DSO stuff ;D, hence the delay in these parts.
Be aware, *any* Freeview decoders older than 6 months will *NOT* be able to receive the HD channels. Even some decoders and TVs now cannot decode the Freeview HD transmissions. The standard you are looking for is DVB-T2.
It depends, currently Litchfield is broadcasting FV HD and Sutton is still doing Analogue I think.
They are a pair for an area and we get both, but no FV HD devices here.
If you are buying a receiver and not PC based as with Freesat can't go much wrong with Humax
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I have been told by "the experts" that we will not receive Freeview HD until the anologue transmitters are turned off in each region TB. For us down here that means 2012. ;)
Yep, same for us.
I got a bit fired up about getting a new TV over Christmas but, after looking at loads of TVs, turning off the daft "dynamic" modes and trying to set them up to give somewhere near a realistic picture, I came to the conclusion that keeping hold of my 10 year old Sony 32" CRT (and my money) is about the best bet at the moment. :(
Kevin
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I have been told by "the experts" that we will not receive Freeview HD until the anologue transmitters are turned off in each region TB. For us down here that means 2012. ;)
Yep, same for us.
I got a bit fired up about getting a new TV over Christmas but, after looking at loads of TVs, turning off the daft "dynamic" modes and trying to set them up to give somewhere near a realistic picture, I came to the conclusion that keeping hold of my 10 year old Sony 32" CRT (and my money) is about the best bet at the moment. :(
Kevin
You don't want to know how much we had to spend to improve on a CRT picture :-[ :-[
Lets just say it was top of range for electronics and not for styling.
It used to be easy to recommend a decent LCD TV "W series Sony" used to be good but other manufacturers have picked up and SOny have messed their model numbers up.
Mine is one of the last 10bit panels and was the middle market 1080 panel.
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I have been told by "the experts" that we will not receive Freeview HD until the anologue transmitters are turned off in each region TB. For us down here that means 2012. ;)
Yep, same for us.
I got a bit fired up about getting a new TV over Christmas but, after looking at loads of TVs, turning off the daft "dynamic" modes and trying to set them up to give somewhere near a realistic picture, I came to the conclusion that keeping hold of my 10 year old Sony 32" CRT (and my money) is about the best bet at the moment. :(
Kevin
I'm sure HD will look superb on your million year old Sony CRT :P
Mind you, you're a normal (ish :P) bloke - one day, you will again get a bee in yer bonnet about a new TV, for no other reason than feeling you deserve a little pressie for being a good boy.... ....or you could spend the money finishing your en-suite floor ;D
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You don't want to know how much we had to spend to improve on a CRT picture :-[ :-[
Having had 4 Fony Wega CRTs this decade, I'm guessing the cheapest, nastiest, crappiest Tesco Special £199 32" LCD would blow any Sony Wega CRT out of the window.
The W series wasn't that great - by the time you turned off all the digital 'enhancements' its not any better than anything else with similar quality panels, and certainly not worth the dosh Fony wanted...
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You don't want to know how much we had to spend to improve on a CRT picture :-[ :-[
Having had 4 Fony Wega CRTs this decade, I'm guessing the cheapest, nastiest, crappiest Tesco Special £199 32" LCD would blow any Sony Wega CRT out of the window.
The W series wasn't that great - by the time you turned off all the digital 'enhancements' its not any better than anything else with similar quality panels, and certainly not worth the dosh Fony wanted...
I bought a Wega in 1999 and mine was excellent.
The W series was good, ours is exellent.
Couldn't afford a Pioneer Plasma
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I'm sure HD will look superb on your million year old Sony CRT :P
What HD would that be? :P No freeview HD until 2012. I'm not about to pay Murdoch any more money, and, even then, he appears to offer sport, movies and "HD for HD's sake" nerd-porn in nearly-HD, none of which I'm interested in.
I could get a TV with freesat-HD integrated, and wire up the unused feed from the LNB, but there doesn't appear to be a large choice of freesat TVs at the moment, and I don't really fancy yet another set-top box. :-/
I suppose I could get a blue-ray player but most of the DVDs Mrs. KW appears with have the girl with the choc-ices wandering up and down at the bottom of the picture, so not exactly HD. :-X
Every TV I've tried seems to do such a lousy job of rendering SD images that I can't see the point until the majority of what I want to watch is in HD.
Mind you, you're a normal (ish :P) bloke - one day, you will again get a bee in yer bonnet about a new TV, for no other reason than feeling you deserve a little pressie for being a good boy.... ....or you could spend the money finishing your en-suite floor ;D
No need to spend money on the en-suite. All the bits have been in the garage for years. :P
Mind you, how long does floor tile adhesive keep for? :-/
Kevin
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I'm sure HD will look superb on your million year old Sony CRT :P
What HD would that be? :P No freeview HD until 2012. I'm not about to pay Murdoch any more money, and, even then, he appears to offer sport, movies and "HD for HD's sake" nerd-porn in nearly-HD, none of which I'm interested in.
I could get a TV with freesat-HD integrated, and wire up the unused feed from the LNB, but there doesn't appear to be a large choice of freesat TVs at the moment, and I don't really fancy yet another set-top box. :-/
I suppose I could get a blue-ray player but most of the DVDs Mrs. KW appears with have the girl with the choc-ices wandering up and down at the bottom of the picture, so not exactly HD. :-X
Every TV I've tried seems to do such a lousy job of rendering SD images that I can't see the point until the majority of what I want to watch is in HD.
Mind you, you're a normal (ish :P) bloke - one day, you will again get a bee in yer bonnet about a new TV, for no other reason than feeling you deserve a little pressie for being a good boy.... ....or you could spend the money finishing your en-suite floor ;D
No need to spend money on the en-suite. All the bits have been in the garage for years. :P
Mind you, how long does floor tile adhesive keep for? :-/
Kevin
Say its gone off, and the local shop has run out... ...that'll keep her quiet for another year or so :P :y
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Like Kevin Wood, I dislike STBs, so I'll be changing at least 1 telly (the analogue only LCD in the bedroom) at DSO. Shame, its been a bloody good set. No name, cheap chinese tat, but good analogue pic, and great for the job it has to do, and a great viewing angle.
Was in Costco yesterday looking at possible replacements. Nothing. Seems none of the 20-24" ones have adjustable tilt on the base, and as the telly is high, thats a pain :(
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The W series was good, ours is exellent.
I had a feeling that your W series would be better than anybody else's W series...
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My question is .... Is HD worth having as I object to paying Sky an extra tenner a month for it if there is little difference to your veiwing
The cynic in me would suggest Sky degraded the quality of their SD to make HD seem much better.
Sky HD is significantly better than Sky SD. Sky HD is noticibly better than Freeview SD. Not sure how Sky HD compares to Freeview HD, as not seen the 2 side by side...
I have been told by "the experts" that we will not receive Freeview HD until the anologue transmitters are turned off in each region TB. For us down here that means 2012. ;)
That is correct, Freeview HD comes with DSO. Oxford was due for Spring 2011, but Beckley transmitter went bang one day when they were testing the DSO stuff ;D, hence the delay in these parts.
Be aware, *any* Freeview decoders older than 6 months will *NOT* be able to receive the HD channels. Even some decoders and TVs now cannot decode the Freeview HD transmissions. The standard you are looking for is DVB-T2.
Thanks TB, but I should be ok as I have just taken on BT Vision with one of their "magic" boxes 8-) 8-) :D ;)
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My question is .... Is HD worth having as I object to paying Sky an extra tenner a month for it if there is little difference to your veiwing
The cynic in me would suggest Sky degraded the quality of their SD to make HD seem much better.
Sky HD is significantly better than Sky SD. Sky HD is noticibly better than Freeview SD. Not sure how Sky HD compares to Freeview HD, as not seen the 2 side by side...
I have been told by "the experts" that we will not receive Freeview HD until the anologue transmitters are turned off in each region TB. For us down here that means 2012. ;)
That is correct, Freeview HD comes with DSO. Oxford was due for Spring 2011, but Beckley transmitter went bang one day when they were testing the DSO stuff ;D, hence the delay in these parts.
Be aware, *any* Freeview decoders older than 6 months will *NOT* be able to receive the HD channels. Even some decoders and TVs now cannot decode the Freeview HD transmissions. The standard you are looking for is DVB-T2.
Thanks TB, but I should be ok as I have just taken on BT Vision with one of their "magic" boxes 8-) 8-) :D ;)
Sorry, don't have enough dealings with Vision to know if they are DVB-T2. Somebody will know :y
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Well, i bought myself a late crimbo prezzie..... ;D
A Sony 40EX403......and at £399.....a good deal, imo
Its got integrated freeview HD....and picks up the 4 HD freeview channels available at the mo in my area....with impressive pic quality :)
I spent quite a lot of time yesterday......getting it networked....i refused to buy the sony usb wifi dongle at £70 and didnt want to run a cat5 cable from the tv to my router.....so used a spare wifi bridge i had (tho i had to flash the bridge first to latest firmware, to get WPA-PSK encryption working on it )
Works well streaming of my desktop pc ( tho that was another headache to get to work) and has highlighted i now need a faster desktop.....as i had to lower quality of streaming as the cpu runs 100% :(
KW- remember tho.....that the shops will be running them in 'shop' mode and not 'home' mode.....i think that was the first question my tv asked when i first turned it on....
The only slight negative i have at the moment with the sony....is you carnt seem to be able to fully turn it off, unless you unplug it.....pressing the on/off button on the remote puts it in standby, the same as pressing the on/off on the set.....however, unless you have it in 'quick start' mode, which i don't, it only uses 0.2W in standby, so not concerned. (its uses 20W in standby if 'quick start' is turned on)
I also updated the firmware on it.....as there was one available on the sony website...
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As for standbys etc, I don't think any turn off fully now.
I have a remote control 10 way mains socket behind telly - 2 sockets are perm on (for MCE and for aerial amp/splitter (I have 6 devices to feed aerial to), other 8 are switched on and off for the amp, sub, telly etc.
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I have to agree. Film was always a good medium and although it had its foibles (grain, colour stability over time etc.) most people grew up with it so see it as a reference and there are even a lot of professionals who would like to (and do) distort electronically-originated material to emulate it.
Apart from nitrate stock that could spontaneously combust and a load of 16mm stuff that had its own peculiarities, not least poor resolution, there is a cracking archive of better-than-SDTV stuff to be found. There was even a 70mm format that was used over a long period.
Another little-known fact about tv is that on the old PAL colour system, if you wanted to show a black & white film, you could (and they didn't always) switch off the colour system and the bandwidth would increase dramatically giving effectively HD tv at the expense of colour. Not as HD as today's offerings but certainly very noticeable.
No it wont.
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KW- remember tho.....that the shops will be running them in 'shop' mode and not 'home' mode.....i think that was the first question my tv asked when i first turned it on....
Yep. God knows who would ever buy one based on what they saw in Currys/Comet. :o
Mind you, I overheard two customers in said establishment talking about how wonderful these new 3D TVs are, how the picture has real depth and it looks like the people are waking into your room, etc.
1) The model of TV they were looking at was not a 3D model, it was a cheap, nasty LCD model with maximum contrast, maximum saturation dialled in, with a noisy analogue SD source and so much "edge enhancement" that the people looked like the cardboard cutouts you used to get on the back of a box of shreddies.
2) They weren't wearing 3D glasses.
Must be like shooting fish in a barrel selling stuff to such cretins. ;D
Kevin
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LOL What an awesome demonstration of the average customer intelligence ;)
The only thing is there are very few places to go that actually have sets set up correctly to evaluate them :(
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The W series was good, ours is exellent.
I had a feeling that your W series would be better than anybody else's W series...
Loads of owners are happy
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im now watching the matrix reloaded on itv1 hd looks superb in hd :y
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I am sure HD is all well and good --- but until I can get HD eyes it's a waste of time, effort and money 8-)
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I am sure HD is all well and good --- but until I can get HD eyes it's a waste of time, effort and money 8-)
mrs has same problem, think it dif to people with glass's.
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Remember, its only HD ish....its not full HD.
Its not much better than DVD
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LOL What an awesome demonstration of the average customer intelligence ;)
The only thing is there are very few places to go that actually have sets set up correctly to evaluate them :(
Thats simple, you get the remotes to the TV's in Comet, bugger around with the settings on them all........then go and buy it online to save a few quid!
Not that I would ever do that ;D
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LOL What an awesome demonstration of the average customer intelligence ;)
The only thing is there are very few places to go that actually have sets set up correctly to evaluate them :(
Thats simple, you get the remotes to the TV's in Comet, bugger around with the settings on them all........then go and buy it online to save a few quid!
Not that I would ever do that ;D
;D ;D
That only works if they're showing a decent feed, though :(
Last time I was in John Lewis (in Laahndahn) they had all the 'big' HD sets at the back hooked up to the worst feed I've ever seen; it purported to be HD but looked more like a bad NTSC composite signal (yet I could clearly see the HDMI cables!)..
Oddly enough the big Samsung LED sets they were obviously 'plugging' were hooked up to the same source, but displaying perfect clarity.
I could put it down to setup if it wasn't for the fact that all the other HD sets looked exactly the same (fuzzy and .. crap)
The 'small' (sub 32") sets were all displaying great feeds of the same thing, too.. really annoying, I wanted to see if the 63" Samsung was anywhere near as good as the 50" Panasonic..
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some programs say HD but are not they just been up scaled,
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LOL What an awesome demonstration of the average customer intelligence ;)
The only thing is there are very few places to go that actually have sets set up correctly to evaluate them :(
Thats simple, you get the remotes to the TV's in Comet, bugger around with the settings on them all........then go and buy it online to save a few quid!
Not that I would ever do that ;D
I might be inclined to do that ::)
However, not saying Comet can match all online prices.....but the sony i've just got, i bought from Comet, coz even the online web sites couldn't better Comet's price.....a few online sites could do better on the warranty.....however as i didnt extend the warranty...that didnt come into the equation :)