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Title: Moon Landings
Post by: Banjax on 05 January 2011, 09:01:56
It has come to my attention that there is debate over whether or not man has landed on the moon. I'm just curious as to how many people think we never went and it was all somehow a big "conspiracy".

Putting aside the fact that you can fire a laser at a prism placed on the moon by astronauts and it returns, thereby proving we've been (as demonstrated in the hilarious and factual "Big Bang Theory" sitcom) How on earth does anyone think the thousands of people involved have kept quiet for so long?

Just curious as to what the level of skepticism is  :y
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 05 January 2011, 09:22:07
That would be a yes vote from me. :y
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Jimbob on 05 January 2011, 09:25:02
Ive read / seen some interesting 'evidence' to suggest otherwise, locations, use of camera for moon shots etc, but yes I beleive they did.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Andy B on 05 January 2011, 09:25:50
Yes from me, but my brother is definitely a sceptic.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Psychoca on 05 January 2011, 09:52:54
I would like to think that they did, but...

If Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon, then who held the camera???

Why did the flag blow in the wind (it can be seen to be moving, ruling out a wire)???

Numerous pictures with some very strange lighting and shadows...

Do you not find it very strange that at the last moment, a problem hit the Radio Telescopes following the mission, leaving the only functional one in Parks Australia at a point when the moon was barely on the Horizon???


Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 05 January 2011, 10:04:23
thats a definite yes..

find a long metal tube, direct it towards moon, fill it with enough fart juice , rope yourself and light your ciggy , thats it ;D ;D


ps: I'm afraid thats a one way ticket.. ;)
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 05 January 2011, 11:12:57
Yep....I believe  the crew from Apollo 11 left a sophisticated mirror on the moon in 1969.....Apparently we know from this ( Don't ask me how!!!) that the moon is moving away from the Earth by some 3.8 cm each year..... :y :y :y

In 1969 the former U.S.S.R......would have been watching the Americans like a hawk......Does anyone really believe they would have kept quiet if they suspected foul play?...... ;)
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: V6 CDX-er on 05 January 2011, 11:24:57
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In 1969 the former U.S.S.R......would have been watching the Americans like a hawk......Does anyone really believe they would have kept quiet if they suspected foul play?...... ;)

This ^^^^^^^

But what I find saddest of all is just how little we have seemingly evolved technologicly since the late 1960's.

Putting man on the moon was a mamouth feat of engineering and science. The real hero's weren't Niel Armstrong et al, but the 1000's of guys on the ground who actually made it happen.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: freecall666 on 05 January 2011, 11:28:06
in indepeandence day when the aliens go past the moon and the flag you can see there foot prints and then disappear when the ship go's past. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Chris_H on 05 January 2011, 11:30:41
My next-door neighbour at the time was an astrophysicist and he brought some of the moon dust home in a dinky little container to show us.

Clearly I can't tell if it was genuine but it does indicate how many bright individuals who couldn't be coerced, would have needed to be fooled.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 January 2011, 11:35:17
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In 1969 the former U.S.S.R......would have been watching the Americans like a hawk......Does anyone really believe they would have kept quiet if they suspected foul play?...... ;)

This ^^^^^^^

But what I find saddest of all is just how little we have seemingly evolved technologicly since the late 1960's.

Putting man on the moon was a mamouth feat of engineering and science. The real hero's weren't Niel Armstrong et al, but the 1000's of guys on the ground who actually made it happen.

It was a remarkable achievement for the technology of the time and yes, we have evolved an awful lot since then. The problem is, we use our technology only to do profitable (in the short term), environmentally friendly, politically correct things these days. :(

We could do with more "mammouth feats of engineering" carried out simply "because we can". Although there's no bean counter who would approve such projects, I believe the spin-offs of projects like the apollo programme and, equally, our defence in two world wars and the cold war, are what we've been living on until this day.

What will be next?

Kevin
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Chris_H on 05 January 2011, 11:38:49
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In 1969 the former U.S.S.R......would have been watching the Americans like a hawk......Does anyone really believe they would have kept quiet if they suspected foul play?...... ;)

This ^^^^^^^

But what I find saddest of all is just how little we have seemingly evolved technologicly since the late 1960's.

Putting man on the moon was a mamouth feat of engineering and science. The real hero's weren't Niel Armstrong et al, but the 1000's of guys on the ground who actually made it happen.

It was a remarkable achievement for the technology of the time and yes, we have evolved an awful lot since then. The problem is, we use our technology only to do profitable (in the short term), environmentally friendly, politically correct things these days. :(

We could do with more "mammouth feats of engineering" carried out simply "because we can". Although there's no bean counter who would approve such projects, I believe the spin-offs of projects like the apollo programme and, equally, our defence in two world wars and the cold war, are what we've been living on until this day.

What will be next?

Kevin
Perhaps it's OOF's responsibility to start WW3.  We've had plenty of rehearsals. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: jerry on 05 January 2011, 11:39:14
i remember being totally enthralled as a kid watching it all on telly but i do have to reluctantly admit that some of the arguments that the conspiracy theorists use do look more than plausible-and not just the ones re photos, there are some plausable political points made too eg the need to detract from the debacle of vietnam. still think they did it , though parts could have been staged. :-/
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: bertiecbx550 on 05 January 2011, 11:54:20
Damn it Jim..... I`m a security guard not a NASA scientist!!!!  :o :o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Banjax on 05 January 2011, 12:05:25
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Damn it Jim..... I`m a security guard not a NASA scientist!!!!  :o :o ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Banjax on 05 January 2011, 12:14:32
to be honest, i spent many years believing it then many more thinking it was all a hoax after reading some very convincing proofs about rocks with numbers painted on them, clarity of communications, the sheer number of components that had to work perfectly for the whole thing to be accomplished, there are no stars (it was daytime fact fans), the high quality pics - it was a high quality camera and they only published the good ones out of thousands of garbage ones, the flag "rippling in the wind" no it doesnt, its crumpled, and theres a rod along the top to hold it out but it doesnt move  :y

in fact theres not one piece of evidence to suggest it was a hoax that stands up to scrutiny, whereas the retroreflectors placed there as cem says to measure distance, is all the evidence you need, unless its a spectacularly shiny rock pointing straight at us....which seems unlikely  ;)
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Chris_H on 05 January 2011, 12:31:37
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to be honest, i spent many years believing it then many more thinking it was all a hoax after reading some very convincing proofs about rocks with numbers painted on them, clarity of communications, the sheer number of components that had to work perfectly for the whole thing to be accomplished, there are no stars (it was daytime fact fans), the high quality pics - it was a high quality camera and they only published the good ones out of thousands of garbage ones, the flag "rippling in the wind" no it doesnt, its crumpled, and theres a rod along the top to hold it out but it doesnt move  :y

in fact theres not one piece of evidence to suggest it was a hoax that stands up to scrutiny, whereas the retroreflectors placed there as cem says to measure distance, is all the evidence you need, unless its a spectacularly shiny rock pointing straight at us....which seems unlikely  ;)
Except you could get those onto the surface without a man being present?  Not that I want to disagree with your position.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: bluey on 05 January 2011, 13:39:03
I have a theory about conspiracy theorists...................

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070822143924/uncyclopedia/images/archive/4/4b/20070826180931%21Geek.jpg)

You never feel entirely comfortable around them.  ;)
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Olympia5776 on 05 January 2011, 13:45:03
Grassy Knoll , Grassy Knoll  !.................... :-X
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 05 January 2011, 14:17:27
I personally don't think so.

If you look what cars were around at that time, could they really have built a rocket to do the job?
I remember in the early 80's the Spectrum Computer with a cassette player thing with it..... could that have done the desired complex things to send a rocket it the moon??
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: bluey on 05 January 2011, 15:23:03
You forget rockets were being fired at London 25 years before the moon landings, and von Braun didn't have any computers figure it all out.  When you think about it, so much was achieved with nothing more than a pencil and a slide rule, and in some ways computers have made us lazy I think.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Lazydocker on 05 January 2011, 15:34:30
Do I believe it happened.... Yes.

Do I believe the footage is of the first steps on the moon... No.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 05 January 2011, 16:53:37
Yes they did have to releave themselves in their suits! :y :y :y
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 05 January 2011, 17:06:30
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Yes they did have to releave themselves in their suits! :y :y :y


Lovely Lizzy but I bet your right again x  :y
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 05 January 2011, 17:22:35
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Yes they did have to releave themselves in their suits! :y :y :y


Lovely Lizzy but I bet your right again x  :y


Who corrupted my post then?! :-? :-? :-?

I wonder who it could be Daz? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 05 January 2011, 17:26:50
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Yes they did have to releave themselves in their suits! :y :y :y


Lovely Lizzy but I bet your right again x  :y


Who corrupted my post then?! :-? :-? :-?

I wonder who it could be Daz? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

Know idea, Woody is online x
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 05 January 2011, 17:30:11
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You forget rockets were being fired at London 25 years before the moon landings, and von Braun didn't have any computers figure it all out.  When you think about it, so much was achieved with nothing more than a pencil and a slide rule, and in some ways computers have made us lazy I think.


Yes, and with the top mathematicians and scientists of the age! :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 05 January 2011, 17:31:06
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Yes they did have to releave themselves in their suits! :y :y :y


Lovely Lizzy but I bet your right again x  :y


Who corrupted my post then?! :-? :-? :-?

I wonder who it could be Daz? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

Know idea, Woody is online x


mmmmmmmm!  Another conspiracy theory has been born! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: bigegg on 05 January 2011, 18:12:00
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You forget rockets were being fired at London 25 years before the moon landings, and von Braun didn't have any computers figure it all out.  When you think about it, so much was achieved with nothing more than a pencil and a slide rule, and in some ways computers have made us lazy I think.


Yes, and with the top mathematicians and scientists of the age! :y :y :y :y
And the maths isn't *that* difficult.
Convoluted and time-consuming, yes, but nothing that couldn't be worked out in advance over the course of months.
The Earth and moon aren't suddenly going to change direction or distance - they keep plodding on at the same velocity - the only last minute calculations would be due to, eg, wind velocity as the apollo left the atmosphere.
Perhaps a couple of hundred miles of drift on a journey of 250,000 (each way).
A ZX Spectrum was MORE than powerful enough to calculate the entire journey - in real time - cos I wrote a programme to do so for my A level computing project.

Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 05 January 2011, 18:42:21
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Yes they did have to releave themselves in their suits! :y :y :y


Lovely Lizzy but I bet your right again x  :y


Who corrupted my post then?! :-? :-? :-?

I wonder who it could be Daz? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

Know idea, Woody is online x


mmmmmmmm!  Another conspiracy theory has been born! ;D ;D ;D ;D

I thought it strange too. .  But then Woody's best friend is Buzz..and with the topic being about the Moon. .

Sorry I will go to bed   ;D
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: tidla on 05 January 2011, 19:03:47
they really went to the moon on a zx81

http://www.draper.com/Apollo/apollo_at_draper.html
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 05 January 2011, 19:13:07
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Yes they did have to releave themselves in their suits! :y :y :y


Lovely Lizzy but I bet your right again x  :y


Who corrupted my post then?! :-? :-? :-?

I wonder who it could be Daz? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

Know idea, Woody is online x


mmmmmmmm!  Another conspiracy theory has been born! ;D ;D ;D ;D

I thought it strange too. .  But then Woody's best friend is Buzz..and with the topic being about the Moon. .

Sorry I will go to bed   ;D


Now I understand, Buzz Lightyear is battling with Darth Vader over the honour of Princess Elizabeth!! ::) ::) ::)

Well, we can all have fantasies!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 05 January 2011, 19:22:36
Mythbusters did an entire programme on the more popular myths;


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0[/media]


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8&feature=related[/media]


There are more to follow on the 'Tube page.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: smoothomega on 05 January 2011, 19:31:40
My opinion, no, if they "had" done it all those years ago then why has it not been done since, knowing how the USA like to be the leaders in all and everything i would have honestly have thought they would have had a small town built there by now if it were as easy as it seemed all those years ago and with the massive leap in technology they have to hand today!!
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: SJKOO01 on 05 January 2011, 19:38:11
I'll go with a fourth option - Possibly faked.

The cold war was still happening, there was a very real threat that the USA was going to go to war, then there was Fidel Castro (not sure of spelling) who was drumming up quite a bit of support against the USA.

America needed something positive to believe in again.  And how to get all of America to be as one and believe in "the USA".
Such an undertaking required a few things coming together, such as a President who was well liked & charming and who was able to sell the idea of a science fiction to science fact undertaking!.

At the time it worked and did what it was designed to do, bring America together & say to the world we can and we have.

It's only now that the 'it was con' has gathered ground now we have technology to question the historical evidence.

Mind you I think in this day & age, we should be spending money getting this planet sorted out, let alone spending billions just to say let's have a go trying to get to Mars (not the choc) and let alone be let loose on another planet !!  ::)


PS. The Apolo Rocket had less computing power than a Sinclair Spectrum computer, think it was less than 3-4meg of computing power and was only to help with the early warning systems, not the main running of the Rockets systems.  That was still down to the x3 Astronaughts and their slide rulers and pens.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 05 January 2011, 20:24:51
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My opinion, no, if they "had" done it all those years ago then why has it not been done since, knowing how the USA like to be the leaders in all and everything i would have honestly have thought they would have had a small town built there by now if it were as easy as it seemed all those years ago and with the massive leap in technology they have to hand today!!


Mainly because of the costs of going there and the limited return of anything worthwhile once the Apollo Mission had finished.

The USA had achieved its propaganda victory over the USSR, and it was more important to secure the Earth's atmosphere for US hardware in the form of space satellites and their military technology.  One day a base on the Moon may be worth the colossal cost, but it will involve an International effort.  No one country can now really afford the multi-trillion outlay. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: SJKOO01 on 05 January 2011, 22:00:59
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My opinion, no, if they "had" done it all those years ago then why has it not been done since, knowing how the USA like to be the leaders in all and everything i would have honestly have thought they would have had a small town built there by now if it were as easy as it seemed all those years ago and with the massive leap in technology they have to hand today!!


Mainly because of the costs of going there and the limited return of anything worthwhile once the Apollo Mission had finished.

The USA had achieved its propaganda victory over the USSR, and it was more important to secure the Earth's atmosphere for US hardware in the form of space satellites and their military technology.  One day a base on the Moon may be worth the colossal cost, but it will involve an International effort.  No one country can now really afford the multi-trillion outlay. ;) ;)

Probably if they find oil on the Moon or Mars, then there'll be one massive effort worldwide to get an oil platform there by someone ~ Because as we all know, once oil supplies have been found, secured and defended in war / other means, everything will be alright and we can (owners of oil platforms) all sleep at night then !!!!.
Not that I'm being sarcastic of how it'll turn out you understand  ::)  ;D  ;D  :y 
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Lioned on 05 January 2011, 22:29:55
When you can land a meccano set on the moon and take off again i'll believe it  !!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4JNVFo9n80gzyE4bGyTGEHGWhS_LpuWN-AhhfTn0y1oP67jFObQ

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2hyxFMJJMEcAEqbIqDgi1aooESUZKcsWh4LDdvASYqwMgqFGh
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Vamps on 05 January 2011, 22:41:21
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When you can land a meccano set on the moon and take off again i'll believe it  !!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4JNVFo9n80gzyE4bGyTGEHGWhS_LpuWN-AhhfTn0y1oP67jFObQ

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2hyxFMJJMEcAEqbIqDgi1aooESUZKcsWh4LDdvASYqwMgqFGh

I must admit to believing that man could, then, have landed on the moon, but, taking off again is the bit that I have some difficulty with... :-/ :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Banjax on 06 January 2011, 09:19:14
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I'll go with a fourth option - Possibly faked.

The cold war was still happening, there was a very real threat that the USA was going to go to war, then there was Fidel Castro (not sure of spelling) who was drumming up quite a bit of support against the USA.

America needed something positive to believe in again.  And how to get all of America to be as one and believe in "the USA".
Such an undertaking required a few things coming together, such as a President who was well liked & charming and who was able to sell the idea of a science fiction to science fact undertaking!.

At the time it worked and did what it was designed to do, bring America together & say to the world we can and we have.

It's only now that the 'it was con' has gathered ground now we have technology to question the historical evidence.

Mind you I think in this day & age, we should be spending money getting this planet sorted out, let alone spending billions just to say let's have a go trying to get to Mars (not the choc) and let alone be let loose on another planet !!  ::)


PS. The Apolo Rocket had less computing power than a Sinclair Spectrum computer, think it was less than 3-4meg of computing power and was only to help with the early warning systems, not the main running of the Rockets systems.  That was still down to the x3 Astronaughts and their slide rulers and pens.

if that was the case, then why would the Russians keep quiet - they'd see from their own data and telemetry whether the US faked it or not?  :o
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: bob.dent on 06 January 2011, 10:03:08
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It has come to my attention that there is debate over whether or not man has landed on the moon. I'm just curious as to how many people think we never went and it was all somehow a big "conspiracy".

Putting aside the fact that you can fire a laser at a prism placed on the moon by astronauts and it returns, thereby proving we've been (as demonstrated in the hilarious and factual "Big Bang Theory" sitcom) How on earth does anyone think the thousands of people involved have kept quiet for so long?

Just curious as to what the level of skepticism is  :y

terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired..........this has been debated time and time again over the last 42 years! It seems like whenever some monumental event takes place, the "conspiracy theory" brigade come creeping out of the woodwork to try and disprove the event ever happened. Some people watch (and believe in) too many films! ::)
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: albitz on 06 January 2011, 10:03:26
Forgot to vote, but yes of course they did.
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Kevin Wood on 06 January 2011, 10:11:18
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they really went to the moon on a zx81

http://www.draper.com/Apollo/apollo_at_draper.html

It's remarkable what could be achieved with a modest machine when software developers were careful with its' resources. ;)

.. and how they got it right first time when their software had to be woven into core memory. ;D

Kevin

Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 06 January 2011, 10:46:37
Six moon landings between July 1969......and December 1972....Apollo11.....through to 17.....Is it possible to fake all six ?......I think not. :y :y :y
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: Banjax on 06 January 2011, 11:26:11
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It has come to my attention that there is debate over whether or not man has landed on the moon. I'm just curious as to how many people think we never went and it was all somehow a big "conspiracy".

Putting aside the fact that you can fire a laser at a prism placed on the moon by astronauts and it returns, thereby proving we've been (as demonstrated in the hilarious and factual "Big Bang Theory" sitcom) How on earth does anyone think the thousands of people involved have kept quiet for so long?

Just curious as to what the level of skepticism is  :y

terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired..........this has been debated time and time again over the last 42 years! It seems like whenever some monumental event takes place, the "conspiracy theory" brigade come creeping out of the woodwork to try and disprove the event ever happened. Some people watch (and believe in) too many films! ::)

I'm more interested in how many people believe it to be faked - and its an astonishing 18%  :o :o
Title: Re: Moon Landings
Post by: BigAl on 07 January 2011, 23:15:46
just check the comments and ratings over at the daily XXXX - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1344980/Moon-liquid-core-just-like-Earth-reveal-sensors-left-lunar-surface-astronauts-40-YEARS-ago.html


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