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Title: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Gaffers on 11 January 2011, 18:31:54
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-12160124

 Wtf ?  :-?
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 11 January 2011, 18:50:16
Absolute nonsense!! >:( >:( >:( >:(

If this country is going to produce the required world leading engineers, scientists, physicists, and general adventures, we need to get rid of stupid restrictions on our children's learning and activities like those that have reared their head in this ridiculous case!   >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: jonnycool on 11 January 2011, 18:52:13
Absolutely f'kin pathetic  >:(
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Bent valve on 11 January 2011, 18:56:34
What is the world coming to? When I was a lad the school decided that it would be a good idea if all the fifth form learned to ride a moped as sports mopeds where so popular at the time, so a honda camino shopping type moped was procurred from the local honda dealer, and we all had a go on the playground under the watchfull eye of the deputy head. All went well until one girl froze at the controls and rode straight into a brick wall at some considerable speed! Even though she had to go to hospital, nobody got bollocked, it was just one of those things :y Those were the days...
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Sixstring on 11 January 2011, 19:00:52
I personally am disgusted!

Whatever happened to teacher interaction, fun, and learning through activity??

Of course, he should have submitted his intention to go sledging in the snow in triplicate, supplied face masks, helmets, knee and elbow protectors, and armoured jackets like ALL the kids who go sledging on tin trays and wooden sleighs wear, and done risk assessments and method statements just like we ALL do when we let our kids go out in the snow, right??

Obviously just sacking him wasn't enough, surely we should shoot him at dawn to for putting our children through such a terrible ordeal??

BOTTA WALLA LOADUCKS!!! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 11 January 2011, 19:12:32
When I was 10 i was involved in an accident leaving me with a 14" scar accross my head.

1st day back I was whacked with a football opening  the front part of the operation.

Later that year a lad was knocked out cold with a cork cricket ball on the playing filed.

1st year at high school I ended up at the bottom of a rugby scrum and the head was split open again.

2nd year a teacher was nearly speared with a javalin because he thought the youth would not get with in ten feet of him never mind a few metres past him.

School sports events I was given a large archery bow and arrows that where too short which ended up with an arrow throgh the skin between thumb and index finger.

The list goes.

Where was H&S in those days.

Nobody died or got seriously injured.
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Banjax on 11 January 2011, 19:16:51
isnt this exactly the kind of petty, idiotic, risk averse thinking that the government said they'd bring an end to? ridiculous  :o
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: aaronjb on 11 January 2011, 19:23:50
I don't blame the school at all - or the government, really.

The problem is that if little billy breaks a fingernail, the parents are poised ready to sue for damages for all the mental anguish and future loss of earnings. Because of that, the school has to be insured and have 'watertight' H&S policies so they can get away with the bare minimum and/or have their insurance cover any losses. :-/

Now.. if we could somehow stop people for suing each other for accidents..
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Banjax on 11 January 2011, 19:32:59
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I don't blame the school at all - or the government, really.

The problem is that if little billy breaks a fingernail, the parents are poised ready to sue for damages for all the mental anguish and future loss of earnings. Because of that, the school has to be insured and have 'watertight' H&S policies so they can get away with the bare minimum and/or have their insurance cover any losses. :-/

Now.. if we could somehow stop people for suing each other for accidents..


i say anyone trying to sue the school should have to face a 12 person jury made of ordinary tax-payers who can vote on 3 decisions..either:

a) don't be so 'kin stupid
b) go ahead, sue the school
c) give your stupid kid a slap, then see a)

surely its not that difficult  ;D :y
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Plomien on 11 January 2011, 19:35:30
It is stupid and idiotic, and Banjax you would be correct they are a local Labour councillor. To be honest the area in which the school is in sledging is the least of their worries
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Banjax on 11 January 2011, 19:36:31
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isnt this exactly the kind of petty, idiotic, risk averse thinking that the government said they'd bring an end to? ridiculous  :o

I visited the school's website and discovered that the chair of governors appears to be (although I can't be 100% sure, but the names match), a local Labour councillor. ::)  ;)

i dont know who's decision it would be - but its a stupid one.


it is probably a "new" labour do-gooder to be fair tho  :y
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Nickbat on 11 January 2011, 19:38:02
I deleted the post before I saw your reply, BJ since, with hindsight, I thought it was wrong to post information I could not corroborate (I love that word!).  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: hoofing it on 11 January 2011, 19:38:07
Total pi** Id like to shake thats teachers hand what happened to a bit of fun >:( >:( >:(
It's about time the health and saftey brigade were shoved off a cliff on a sledge. :-X
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Banjax on 11 January 2011, 19:38:48
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It is stupid and idiotic, and Banjax you would be correct they are a local Labour councillor. To be honest the area in which the school is in sledging is the least of their worries


thanks, but it was Nickbat who posted - altho i do agree on this one  :y
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Banjax on 11 January 2011, 19:40:11
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I deleted the post before I saw your reply, BJ since, with hindsight, I thought it was wrong to post information I could not corroborate (I love that word!).  ;) ;D

you corroborate these posts?  :o :o :o ::) :y
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Nickbat on 11 January 2011, 19:44:44
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I deleted the post before I saw your reply, BJ since, with hindsight, I thought it was wrong to post information I could not corroborate (I love that word!).  ;) ;D

you corroborate these posts?  :o :o :o ::) :y

Cheeky young devil! No games for you at playtime!

PS. I see Plomien corroborated my surmisal. I was pretty sure it was the same  "Mair Gibbs" Labour councillor and chair of govs, but erred on the side of caution. ;)
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: HolyCount on 11 January 2011, 19:45:21
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When I was 10 i was involved in an accident leaving me with a 14" scar accross my head.

1st day back I was whacked with a football opening  the front part of the operation.

Later that year a lad was knocked out cold with a cork cricket ball on the playing filed.

1st year at high school I ended up at the bottom of a rugby scrum and the head was split open again.

2nd year a teacher was nearly speared with a javalin because he thought the youth would not get with in ten feet of him never mind a few metres past him.

School sports events I was given a large archery bow and arrows that where too short which ended up with an arrow throgh the skin between thumb and index finger.

The list goes.

Where was H&S in those days.

Nobody died or got seriously injured.


Love it ---- God, those cricket balls were hard !!!

Are kids allowed near javelins these days ??
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Mysteryman on 11 January 2011, 20:13:43
I have first hand knowledge of the pressure a headteacher is under with regards to stuff like this. They are scared to sanctiion anything remotely risky in case of litigation.
And I think you'll find that this chap was dismissed because of his failure to communicate his intentions to the head, thus leaving the school/governors/local authority open to accusations of neglect.
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Chris_H on 11 January 2011, 21:07:20
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Absolute nonsense!! >:( >:( >:( >:(

If this country is going to produce the required world leading engineers, scientists, physicists, and general adventures, we need to get rid of stupid restrictions on our children's learning and activities like those that have reared their head in this ridiculous case!   >:( >:( >:(
Lizzie financial services is what we do, not technical stuff.  And we need our financial servant's heads to be protected otherwise they might stop lending money to other financial services and give it to themselves.
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: bestie26 on 11 January 2011, 21:31:48
ive 5 kids all of which loved sledging even the 14 mth old baby who was well impressed sat on daddys knee down a steep hill and the little lass of 5 was sledging down the decking steps , down the garden and stopping at the shed (literally) let em be kids ! too many NO WIN NO FEE companys wanting to know if you wud like to claim against your school, nanny, local playground ect cos you stubbed your toe when you were 3 yrs old thats why kids arnt allowed to sneeze without someone doing a risk assesment first , not the schools fault i suppose, they have to follow guidelines
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Vamps on 11 January 2011, 22:16:12
I think most of the comments I would make have been made.....

There is a Primary School in Stockton that did not close last year or this because of the snow, the head teacher embraced the weather, invited the children to bring in their sledges and used the weather to create learning experiences and fun..... :y
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: albitz on 11 January 2011, 23:44:52
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I don't blame the school at all - or the government, really.

The problem is that if little billy breaks a fingernail, the parents are poised ready to sue for damages for all the mental anguish and future loss of earnings. Because of that, the school has to be insured and have 'watertight' H&S policies so they can get away with the bare minimum and/or have their insurance cover any losses. :-/

Now.. if we could somehow stop people for suing each other for accidents..


i say anyone trying to sue the school should have to face a 12 person jury made of ordinary tax-payers who can vote on 3 decisions..either:

a) don't be so 'kin stupid
b) go ahead, sue the school
c) give your stupid kid a slap, then see a)

surely its not that difficult  ;D :y
Banjax - you sound like an old school Tory. :y :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Kevin Wood on 12 January 2011, 00:01:24
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I don't blame the school at all - or the government, really.

The problem is that if little billy breaks a fingernail, the parents are poised ready to sue for damages for all the mental anguish and future loss of earnings. Because of that, the school has to be insured and have 'watertight' H&S policies so they can get away with the bare minimum and/or have their insurance cover any losses. :-/

Now.. if we could somehow stop people for suing each other for accidents..

I agree. It's easy to say how stupid it is, etc. but if I were responsible for a school and the hundreds of kids therein I would be walking on eggshells, and there certainly wouldn't be any sledging, more's the pity.

Yes, we all had impromptu treats such as this back in the good old days but these days everything must be risk-assessed, the proper insurance cover put in place, it must be tested to be accessible, inclusive, politically correct, environmentally friendly, etc... If you didn't lose the will to live half way through the inevitable box-ticking exercise you'd find it was spring by the time you'd finished.

It's our culture that's at fault. We reap what we sow.

Kevin
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: millwall on 12 January 2011, 00:11:13
another example of madness >:( >:(
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: russ0205 on 12 January 2011, 07:53:01
So it cost how much to put this guy through uni teacher training etc, and whats he gona do now oh yes i know claim benefits cos he is unable to do the job he is good at for two years the H a S has gone mad surely common sense must enter into this. the guy was only doing what he thought was wright,come on headteacher those splinters from sitting on the fence must hurt. >:(
too many money grabbing ambulance chasers !!!!!!
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 12 January 2011, 13:38:28
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Absolute nonsense!! >:( >:( >:( >:(

If this country is going to produce the required world leading engineers, scientists, physicists, and general adventures, we need to get rid of stupid restrictions on our children's learning and activities like those that have reared their head in this ridiculous case!   >:( >:( >:(
Lizzie financial services is what we do, not technical stuff.  And we need our financial servant's heads to be protected otherwise they might stop lending money to other financial services and give it to themselves.

I know that is the perception, but we still are leading the world in many specialist areas, such as aviation, engineering on high tech levels (ie nautical and civil engineering ), and scientific research with high tech development. 

These may not employ the hundreds of thousands that the old industries used to, but do produce considerable billions of pounds of income for the country, as does the financial services sector. ;)
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: tidla on 12 January 2011, 18:07:38
could have been worse.

he could have thrown a snowball and landed in court for assault with a deadly weapon.

(link coming up)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-12174563

Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Bent valve on 12 January 2011, 18:42:46
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could have been worse.

he could have thrown a snowball and landed in court for assault with a deadly weapon.

(link coming up)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-12174563

I should think that both the CPS and the Police have got it in for that bloke. I have no idea why though, as he looks like a fine upstanding pillar of the community, the sort of chap you would like your Daughter to marry :)
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Gaffers on 12 January 2011, 18:50:24
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could have been worse.

he could have thrown a snowball and landed in court for assault with a deadly weapon.

(link coming up)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-12174563

I should think that both the CPS and the Police have got it in for that bloke. I have no idea why though, as he looks like a fine upstanding pillar of the community, the sort of chap you would like your Daughter to marry :)


Of course he's an Officer in the Army  :y

albeit TA, but we wont hold that against him  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: jonnycool on 12 January 2011, 20:43:08
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When I was 10 i was involved in an accident leaving me with a 14" scar accross my head.

1st day back I was whacked with a football opening  the front part of the operation.

Later that year a lad was knocked out cold with a cork cricket ball on the playing filed.

1st year at high school I ended up at the bottom of a rugby scrum and the head was split open again.

2nd year a teacher was nearly speared with a javalin because he thought the youth would not get with in ten feet of him never mind a few metres past him.

School sports events I was given a large archery bow and arrows that where too short which ended up with an arrow throgh the skin between thumb and index finger.

The list goes.

Where was H&S in those days.

Nobody died or got seriously injured.
This explains a lot mate  ;D
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 12 January 2011, 20:49:51
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could have been worse.

he could have thrown a snowball and landed in court for assault with a deadly weapon.

(link coming up)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-12174563

I should think that both the CPS and the Police have got it in for that bloke. I have no idea why though, as he looks like a fine upstanding pillar of the community, the sort of chap you would like your Daughter to marry :)


Of course he's an Officer in the Army  :y

albeit TA, but we wont hold that against him  ;D ;D ;D ;D



There seems to have been some history there:



The CPS considered an alternative to prosecution such as a conditional caution but decided this was not appropriate due to Mr Smith's previous convictions, including assault and obstructing a police officer.
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: HolyCount on 12 January 2011, 21:03:29
Z --- you and I both know that there is generally some pertinent, but unreported, history with 90% of what is published as news these days  :-/
Title: Re: Wrap them in cotton wool, the snow will hurt them!
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 12 January 2011, 21:10:11
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Z --- you and I both know that there is generally some pertinent, but unreported, history with 90% of what is published as news these days  :-/


You've no need to say that one twice H. :y