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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Debs. on 11 January 2011, 14:04:08
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Getting into my Land Rover 'Disco' when I got it; I was aware that the brakes on it were not as reactive/effective as on the 'pup-mobile'.....I simply adapted and my foot learned to make necessary changes when jumping in and out`twixt vehicles.....
....but, having driven the Miggy for the first time after a month`s break (having driven only the Disco during the recent bad-weather) approaching a downhill junction, I nearly put the dogs clean through the mesh-guard (like making chips), such are the wonderfully good Omega-anchors.
Just reminds me, how when doing things on a daily basis; human perception/reaction can make wonderfully unconscious, adaptive behaviours.......or not! ;D
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I remember once jumping into one of my employers' cars (3.0 Capri Ghia) only to forget it was an automatic. Planted the throttle, screamed off and then went to "change gear" by stamping hard on the....brake pedal. :-[ :-[ :-[
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Felt the same way first press of Mondeo brakes, Whamo! and opposite way coming from Mondeo brakes to trade club Omega brakes. Oe pads far better. ;)
Still maintain current crop of trade club pads are very poor.
But yes, all things are relative and depends what your used to. Is it worth a quick inspection of Disco brakes? Or is that how they are? :-/
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If I haven't used a car for a while, or if I've just washed it, I do a test brake well before the first junction to find out where we're at and bed-in the pads.
Talking of disco's, the one I had was not aversed to running into junctions with very little braking effort on occasions. I never found out if it was over-excitable ABS or diesel on the roads that caused it.
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Felt the same way first press of Mondeo brakes, Whamo! and opposite way coming from Mondeo brakes to trade club Omega brakes. Oe pads far better. ;)
Still maintain current crop of trade club pads are very poor.
But yes, all things are relative and depends what your used to. Is it worth a quick inspection of Disco brakes? Or is that how they are? :-/
Echo what's said above, certainly feel the difference between my two Elites one with OEM pads the other with aftermarket.... soon to be rectified!
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Very weird that OE feel, drove Jimbobs over new year which has OE and it felt no different to trade club pads.
Strange.
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Very weird that OE feel, drove Jimbobs over new year which has OE and it felt no different to trade club pads.
Strange.
Pads in my current Elite are TC, and feel ok, ish. Not quite oe, but certainly usable. Car is 03 with 60k and need replacing, so they could be almost 3years old perhaps?
Tc pads purchased early last year, and the set prior to that on my pre face lift, are not the same at all. Not by a looooong way. These felt the same as TB 's mv6 brakes on a gentle test drive to the curry house before xmas. And mine where removed immediately after I fitted TC disc pad set, in favour of OE, and the differance was instant and vastly improved.
I will keep the current set on my current elite when I replace them, and fit the old previously removed TC pads with new discs to do a comparison between the two. Just to be sure, and I will be kicking up a fuss at VX if they are different, which I am sure they will be.
Or, thinking about it, I could send you the removed TC pads which are almost new bar a trip round the block, and see for your self....? I still have them in the garage, they will not be fitted on any of my cars, so no loss. :-/
Conclude, as has been suggested before, not alll TC pads are the same, not by a long way IME. :-/
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One other factor is that the V6 has OEM pads and TC discs front and rear, effectively I replaced the whole lot at the same time (well there was a week between rears and fronts!) and bled new brake fluid through.
There's probably no difference in the overall performance of either type, it's just that the brake pedal feels as if it is more communicative of whats happening at the wheels.
The other thing I like about the OEM pads is they don't seem to produce as much brake dust.
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Same on gay omega, TC discs OE pads. Could the discs have anything to do with it? Would be suprised...? :-/
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I reckon there was a batch of cr@p TC pads.
Kevin
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Getting into my Land Rover 'Disco' when I got it; I was aware that the brakes on it were not as reactive/effective as on the 'pup-mobile'.....I simply adapted and my foot learned to make necessary changes when jumping in and out`twixt vehicles.....
....but, having driven the Miggy for the first time after a month`s break (having driven only the Disco during the recent bad-weather) approaching a downhill junction, I nearly put the dogs clean through the mesh-guard (like making chips), such are the wonderfully good Omega-anchors.
Just reminds me, how when doing things on a daily basis; human perception/reaction can make wonderfully unconscious, adaptive behaviours.......or not! ;D
I had a similar experience today, borrowing my Mums car, a little Pug,206, brakes are very severe, soon learned to adjust though, it was having 3 pedals that caught me out ...... :D :D :D
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I reckon there was a batch of cr@p TC pads.
Kevin
Wondered if it was all after a certain date? Wonder how old Marks are?
Seen the dust on Josh's front wheels, quite incredible. :-?
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I reckon there was a batch of cr@p TC pads.
Kevin
Wondered if it was all after a certain date? Wonder how old Marks are?
Seen the dust on Josh's front wheels, quite incredible. :-?
Yeah, mine are quite dusty, but stopped squealing in the end and, now the back brakes have new disks and pads, I couldn't want for more in the braking department, TBH.
.. which is more than can be said for the 4x4 that punted a Nissan Micra into the back of my Omega earlier today. :'(
Kevin
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, but stopped squealing in the end and, ......
I wish mine would! :(
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I reckon there was a batch of cr@p TC pads.
Kevin
Wondered if it was all after a certain date? Wonder how old Marks are?
Seen the dust on Josh's front wheels, quite incredible. :-?
Yeah, mine are quite dusty, but stopped squealing in the end and, now the back brakes have new disks and pads, I couldn't want for more in the braking department, TBH.
.. which is more than can be said for the 4x4 that punted a Nissan Micra into the back of my Omega earlier today. :'(
Kevin
No major damage one hopes ??? :(
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my girlfriend drives a focus (1.8) and she drove my car for the first time a couple month back. we had the exact same experience. she braked as she would in the focus and nearly sent us thru the windscreen.
she complained they were 'twitchy' which is rubbish talk for breaks that work!!!!!!
:y :y :y :y
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No major damage one hopes ??? :(
On the face of it the bumper isn't sitting quite right and has a tiny bit of cracked paint on it. The tow bar went straight through the Micra's front bumper, through the radiator and then back out, collecting the power steering oil cooler on the way so it was a pretty substantial bump and not impossible it's done more grave damage but difficult to tell in the dark. :(
The Micra will be re-incarnated as a washing machine, I suspect.
Kevin
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No major damage one hopes ??? :(
On the face of it the bumper isn't sitting quite right and has a tiny bit of cracked paint on it. The tow bar went straight through the Micra's front bumper, through the radiator and then back out, collecting the power steering oil cooler on the way so it was a pretty substantial bump and not impossible it's done more grave damage but difficult to tell in the dark. :(
The Micra will be re-incarnated as a washing machine, I suspect.
Kevin
Sorry to hear that Kev, hope it hasn't bent the boot floor, they might write it off??? Hopefully there's nothing to substantial on the Micra as you say.
So is that your "3" now? :-/
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there's always lots of difference between different types of cars and different examples of the same car. Some have design features which appear to be there simply to promote a poor pedal feel.
Omegas are amongst the worst "general" braking cars that I've driven - they suffer from poor front brake caliper construction and poor pedal adjustment, plus a tendancy to exaggerate any front brake imbalance through the steering - caused by having the steering box and poor damper adjustment. I've never driven an Omega yet which doesn't need a half-day spending on the pedal feel issue.
Discoverys are a very good example - you can have three different brake systems on Discovery I and II - all of which are very different. There's the standard non-ABS system, which gets very old very quickly, so expect very poor pedal feel there. Then there's the Wabco ABS, which is a proper "power" system, so the pedal feel is always spot-on. Then there's the Teves ABS system on later cars which seems to be a mix of the two.
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There's the standard non-ABS system, which gets very old very quickly
That`s the one! :'(
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No major damage one hopes ??? :(
On the face of it the bumper isn't sitting quite right and has a tiny bit of cracked paint on it. The tow bar went straight through the Micra's front bumper, through the radiator and then back out, collecting the power steering oil cooler on the way so it was a pretty substantial bump and not impossible it's done more grave damage but difficult to tell in the dark. :(
The Micra will be re-incarnated as a washing machine, I suspect.
Kevin
Shin breakers do have a purpose other than towing then .. :)
I've had a couple of rear end shunts since I've been towing .. and the towbar has saved the car from major damage everytime.. :)
Here's hoping its worked for you as well .. :y :y