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Title: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 13 January 2011, 07:37:03
Colombo, Sri Lanka: 13 dead, 1 million affected
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/13/sri.lanka.troops.rescue/index.html

Rio de Janeiro and Sau Paulo, Brazil: 260 dead http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/01/12/brazil.floods/index.html

Brisbane, Australia: 15 dead
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/12/australia.floods/index.html


Philippines, 40 dead: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/12/philippines.flooding/index.html



any given week each of these devastating floods would be headline news, with all 4 happening at the same time it seems theres only room to report on Brisbane, the devastation and tragedy, however, is the same for everyone no matter where you live  :(



Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 13 January 2011, 08:45:13
Quite so BJ, its heartbreaking news indeed. :( :(

Another stark example of the temporary nature of human tenancy on this planet.
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Nickbat on 13 January 2011, 09:00:00
La Nina affects global weather patterns and this one has been strong. There have been, however, worse floods and certainly, in Queensland, some have been very critical of the fact that the government has not taken heed of these natural variations, instead listening to those who said it would become a permanent drought area. Thus they had cancelled dam projects, desalination plants constructed (now mothballed) and plans to build nice gardens and seating areas alongside the creeks which have flooded before and have now done so again. Not to mention all the building on flood plains. ::)

Much the same applies to other areas around the world that have been affected by this phenomenon (and will be again in the future). 
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 13 January 2011, 09:12:13
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La Nina affects global weather patterns and this one has been strong. There have been, however, worse floods and certainly, in Queensland, some have been very critical of the fact that the government has not taken heed of these natural variations, instead listening to those who said it would become a permanent drought area. Thus they had cancelled dam projects, desalination plants constructed (now mothballed) and plans to build nice gardens and seating areas alongside the creeks which have flooded before and have now done so again. Not to mention all the building on flood plains. ::)

Much the same applies to other areas around the world that have been affected by this phenomenon (and will be again in the future). 


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Not to mention all the building on flood plains.

This is the thing I could never understand - and it applies to development in general, the real  consequences of ignoring the natural topography of any chosen location seldom seems to figure high in any area assessment.
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 13 January 2011, 11:20:15
congratulations Nickbat, was wondering how you'd spin this one  :y
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Nickbat on 13 January 2011, 11:36:51
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congratulations Nickbat, was wondering how you'd spin this one  :y

No spin, just fact. ::)
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 13 January 2011, 11:52:02
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congratulations Nickbat, was wondering how you'd spin this one  :y

No spin, just fact. ::)


thats certainly the accepted wisdom on the subject, notice i never mentioned anything about global warming or climate change, just logging extreme weather events - seems a lot this year already  :o
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 13 January 2011, 12:05:22
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congratulations Nickbat, was wondering how you'd spin this one  :y

No spin, just fact. ::)


dont know you will spin or not ;D  but something really is wrong with weather !  we are in the middle of january and no frost around and migrated european birds singing at midnight 3 am :o
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Varche on 13 January 2011, 13:20:13
The sad thing for me is once again the biased reporting by British media even dare I say it the glorious BBC itself.

Plenty about the poor Australians.

The Sri Lankans have had this also for the last week. A million displaced and many killed. How much footage on BBC etc. Didly nada. Why? No free junket out there? They don't speak English? Who knows.

Not much until today either about the Brazillians but then they don't speak English either as their first tongue. I am afraid you have to watchg "foreign Tv" to find out about Sri Lanka or Brazil! Long live the empire. :y
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 13 January 2011, 13:39:48
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The sad thing for me is once again the biased reporting by British media even dare I say it the glorious BBC itself.

Plenty about the poor Australians.

The Sri Lankans have had this also for the last week. A million displaced and many killed. How much footage on BBC etc. Didly nada. Why? No free junket out there? They don't speak English? Who knows.

Not much until today either about the Brazillians but then they don't speak English either as their first tongue. I am afraid you have to watchg "foreign Tv" to find out about Sri Lanka or Brazil! Long live the empire. :y

yep, varche - i assume its because we have a very close affinity with the Aussies...and the US for that matter, so events there tend to take precedence over other parts of the world, BBC did cover it on news 24 but certainly only in passing and nothing like the coverage from Queensland  :o
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Nickbat on 15 January 2011, 23:48:50
It would appear that we have had more extreme weather in the past, so current events are not so remarkable after all. An interesting read.  :y

http://notrickszone.com/2011/01/14/new-esper-study-confirms-warm-periods-lead-to-prosperity-cold-periods-to-death-and-misery-climate-extremes-were-greater-in-the-past/ 
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 16 January 2011, 11:13:01
I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 16 January 2011, 11:19:03
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I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011)



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Gallifrean

Being a lover of regional dialects BJ is that from a local tongue? - cancel that I've looked it up. ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 16 January 2011, 12:05:09
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I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011)



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Gallifrean

Being a lover of regional dialects BJ is that from a local tongue? - cancel that I've looked it up. ;D ;D :y

just me being a geek  :y
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Nickbat on 16 January 2011, 13:11:54
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I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

I merely came across this recent article and thought it was relevant to this thread. Maybe I should have started a new thread. Actually, I wish I did. ::)

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Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011


Why should we worry? The article reinforces the fact that extremes of weather have always affected the planet. We can't do anything about it other than attempt to reduce the impact of such events. We cannot control them.

As for the elephant, it may be sad, but lots of creatures die in naturally-caused events and died that way long before man appeared on the scene. It's called nature.  ::) ::)   
 

Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 16 January 2011, 13:28:33
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I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011


The poor thing BJ, it saw a mouse......................!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Debs. on 16 January 2011, 13:37:58
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I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011

"Officials are working out how to get the elephant down"

 ::) It`s hardly rocket-science is it?......

....but, they might have to Stihl themselves for the job. ::)
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Terbs on 16 January 2011, 13:43:42
"The animal is still stuck in the tree as we speak while wildlife officials work out the best way to get it down to conduct a post-mortem examination."

They are going to need all the money they can get to rebuild....yet they want to do a post mortem on it!!!!!!

Give me strength >:( ......and don't come here for the handout!!!!!!
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Mysteryman on 16 January 2011, 13:48:02
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I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011


The poor thing BJ, it saw a mouse......................!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)


 ;D ;D ;D ;D


I mean :( :( :( :( That's not funny.
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 16 January 2011, 16:22:56
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I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011

"Officials are working out how to get the elephant down"

 ::) It`s hardly rocket-science is it?......

....but, they might have to Stihl themselves for the job. ::)


I do hope they'll cut the correct trunk. :-/ :-/ :y
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 16 January 2011, 18:01:40
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I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

I merely came across this recent article and thought it was relevant to this thread. Maybe I should have started a new thread. Actually, I wish I did. ::)

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Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011


Why should we worry? The article reinforces the fact that extremes of weather have always affected the planet. We can't do anything about it other than attempt to reduce the impact of such events. We cannot control them.

As for the elephant, it may be sad, but lots of creatures die in naturally-caused events and died that way long before man appeared on the scene. It's called nature.  ::) ::)   
 


you're right Nick, theres thousands of Aussies, Brazilians, Sri Lankans, Phillipinos not worried in the least - I'm alright Jack, eh - nothing to worry about, nothing we can do - jesus i'm surprised you get out of bed in the morning with that attitude, just shrug your shoulders, ignore the world...unless-god forbid, something happens that costs you so much as a penny and then the fur flies  :o


Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Nickbat on 16 January 2011, 18:28:56
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I'm curious as to why the mention of extreme weather has you hopping through time like a demented Gallifrean?

I merely came across this recent article and thought it was relevant to this thread. Maybe I should have started a new thread. Actually, I wish I did. ::)

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Extreme weather in the past can't possibly hurt us, its the here and now we should worry about.

and now, heres a picture of a dead elephant up a tree

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12185011


Why should we worry? The article reinforces the fact that extremes of weather have always affected the planet. We can't do anything about it other than attempt to reduce the impact of such events. We cannot control them.

As for the elephant, it may be sad, but lots of creatures die in naturally-caused events and died that way long before man appeared on the scene. It's called nature.  ::) ::)   
 


you're right Nick, theres thousands of Aussies, Brazilians, Sri Lankans, Phillipinos not worried in the least - I'm alright Jack, eh - nothing to worry about, nothing we can do - jesus i'm surprised you get out of bed in the morning with that attitude, just shrug your shoulders, ignore the world...unless-god forbid, something happens that costs you so much as a penny and then the fur flies  :o



It would help if you actually read my post, in which I said we should attempt to reduce the impact of severe weather. That means building flood/tidal defences, improving buildings to withstand extremes, enhancing emergency procedures and so on.

I don't recall writing "I'm all right, Jack".

Oh, that's right, I didn't - it's yet another example of you putting words in my mouth. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 16 January 2011, 18:36:45
sorry Nickbat, i forgot - you're a humanitarian who cares not a jot for ones own welfare.

i'm guessing tho, you'll kick off when food prices go up due to widespread flooding, not the flooding and devastation itself

my mistake  ;)
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Mysteryman on 16 January 2011, 18:49:13
You can pick on me if you like Banjax. I really don't give a toss about anything. ;D

Well, maybe population explosion. I certainly wont be contributing any more and anything which reduces it in large chunks is OK by me. :y
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 16 January 2011, 19:28:45
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You can pick on me if you like Banjax. I really don't give a toss about anything. ;D

Well, maybe population explosion. I certainly wont be contributing any more and anything which reduces it in large chunks is OK by me. :y

you volunteering to jump off the Liver Building STMO?  ;)
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Nickbat on 16 January 2011, 19:47:37
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sorry Nickbat, i forgot - you're a humanitarian who cares not a jot for ones own welfare.

i'm guessing tho, you'll kick off when food prices go up due to widespread flooding, not the flooding and devastation itself

my mistake  ;)


I care for the welfare of (in order of priority)

1. My family
2. Myself
3. The rest

What is your point, Banjax?  ::)
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 16 January 2011, 19:59:30
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sorry Nickbat, i forgot - you're a humanitarian who cares not a jot for ones own welfare.

i'm guessing tho, you'll kick off when food prices go up due to widespread flooding, not the flooding and devastation itself

my mistake  ;)


I care for the welfare of (in order of priority)

1. My family
2. Myself
3. The rest

What is your point, Banjax?  ::)

come on Nickbat.....theres no no.3 is there?  ;)
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Nickbat on 16 January 2011, 20:09:55
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sorry Nickbat, i forgot - you're a humanitarian who cares not a jot for ones own welfare.

i'm guessing tho, you'll kick off when food prices go up due to widespread flooding, not the flooding and devastation itself

my mistake  ;)


I care for the welfare of (in order of priority)

1. My family
2. Myself
3. The rest

What is your point, Banjax?  ::)

come on Nickbat.....theres no no.3 is there?  ;)

So, you accuse me of being totally uncaring about anyone but my family and myself, Banjax? Well, I do care about others.

However, the same cannot be justifiably claimed by  someone who thinks "mankind is just a virus". ::) ::)
Title: Re: extreme weather (again)
Post by: Banjax on 16 January 2011, 20:13:48
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sorry Nickbat, i forgot - you're a humanitarian who cares not a jot for ones own welfare.

i'm guessing tho, you'll kick off when food prices go up due to widespread flooding, not the flooding and devastation itself

my mistake  ;)


I care for the welfare of (in order of priority)

1. My family
2. Myself
3. The rest

What is your point, Banjax?  ::)

come on Nickbat.....theres no no.3 is there?  ;)

So, you accuse me of being totally uncaring about anyone but my family and myself, Banjax? Well, I do care about others.

However, the same cannot be justifiably claimed by  someone who thinks "mankind is just a virus". ::) ::)

with shoes  :y