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Title: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Mysteryman on 18 January 2011, 20:02:52
Can we have more please. It really gets me postcount going :y ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 18 January 2011, 20:07:36
Got home from the pub & told the wife i saw 5 blokes of one colour kicking the living daylights out of another poor bloke of a different colour. When she asked if i ran to help i said "no i thought 5 was enough!" ::)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Mysteryman on 18 January 2011, 20:08:46
OOOOOOOO. Risque. ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Debs. on 18 January 2011, 20:10:13
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Got home from the pub & told the wife i saw 5 blokes of one colour kicking the living daylights out of another poor bloke of a different colour. When she asked if i ran to help i said "no i thought 5 was enough!" ::)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D.......I shouldn`t, but..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 18 January 2011, 20:10:31
Oh dear!

I think this thread may go in a certain direction and have a short life!! ::) ::) :D :D :D

You stirrer Steve! :P :P :P ;D ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 18 January 2011, 20:12:07
Sorry, please remove if you see fit. I blame Steve, he led me on!!! ::)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 18 January 2011, 20:14:25
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Sorry, please remove if you see fit. I blame Steve, he led me on!!! ::)


Don't worry Guy, we are all witness to that fact! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Mysteryman on 18 January 2011, 20:16:25
Just had to smack my son for playing with daddies computer while I wasn't looking. ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 18 January 2011, 20:21:01
What's the difference between a dead pig at the side of the road & a dead person of no particular sexual preference, religeon, creed, estate agent, traffic warden etc.

   There's skidmarks in front of the pig! ::)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 18 January 2011, 20:34:20
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What's the difference between a dead pig at the side of the road & a dead person of no particular sexual preference, religeon, creed, estate agent, traffic warden etc.

   There's skidmarks in front of the pig! ::)
Ok that's enough. I would smack my young lad for playing with Daddies computer but my young lad is 25, a 6 footer totally gym buffed & finishing his doormans course thingy...SIA? You smack him if you want too! ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: millwall on 18 January 2011, 20:57:29
i am not getting involved in this on Racism. Homophobia. Sexism are my speciallity subjects  may offend too many people ;D ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 18 January 2011, 21:23:27
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i am not getting involved in this on Racism. Homophobia. Sexism are my speciallity subjects  may offend too many people ;D ;D
Indeed. I can laugh at joke topics that i despise in reality. Those two were the mildest i had & i had to sensor them to death. I've got jokes on my phone & in my sick head i would'nt dream of posting here. NWS would'nt get close to covering it. ;D :o ::)
   There's a time & a place but it's NOT here. Even i would'nt do that.
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Debs. on 18 January 2011, 21:25:17
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i am not getting involved in this on Racism. Homophobia. Sexism are my speciallity subjects  may offend too many people ;D ;D
Indeed. I can laugh at joke topics that i despise in reality. Those two were the mildest i had & i had to sensor them to death. I've got jokes on my phone & in my sick head i would'nt dream of posting here. NWS would'nt get close to covering it. ;D :o ::)
   There's a time & a place but it's NOT here. Even i would'nt do that.

 :P Spoil-sport! ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Vamps on 18 January 2011, 21:29:43
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Just had to smack my son for playing with daddies computer while I wasn't looking. ;D

Brute force would really have a positive affect on a young lad with ASD....... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 18 January 2011, 21:35:04
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i am not getting involved in this on Racism. Homophobia. Sexism are my speciallity subjects  may offend too many people ;D ;D
Indeed. I can laugh at joke topics that i despise in reality. Those two were the mildest i had & i had to sensor them to death. I've got jokes on my phone & in my sick head i would'nt dream of posting here. NWS would'nt get close to covering it. ;D :o ::)
   There's a time & a place but it's NOT here. Even i would'nt do that.

 :P Spoil-sport! ;D
Debs, you're showing your naughty side. You little stirrer.
   I'd love to post them it'd be a riot but i won't...not even for you!!!XX
    Most of you have similar on your phones email etc.
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Elite Pete on 18 January 2011, 21:37:00
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Got home from the pub & told the wife i saw 5 blokes of one colour kicking the living daylights out of another poor bloke of a different colour. When she asked if i ran to help i said "no i thought 5 was enough!" ::)
Brilliant ;D ;D

Can't see why it should be removed, there's nothing in it to cause offence to anyone ::)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Turk on 18 January 2011, 21:48:49
Going by this thread, today must be a slow news day.
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 18 January 2011, 21:54:41
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Going by this thread, today must be a slow news day.
We're too busy talking about men doing unspeakable things to eachother in a hotel room on another thread! ::)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: tidla on 18 January 2011, 22:04:25
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Going by this thread, today must be a slow news day.
We're too busy talking about men doing unspeakable things to eachother in a hotel room on another thread! ::)

in case your not up to speed with the news regarding the  above thread..

two men from scotland have brought a case against the  hotel owners for discrimination.

phil and ben were delighted about the outcome.
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Elite Pete on 18 January 2011, 22:11:51
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Going by this thread, today must be a slow news day.
We're too busy talking about men doing unspeakable things to eachother in a hotel room on another thread! ::)

in case your not up to speed with the news regarding the  above thread..

two men from scotland have brought a case against the  hotel owners for discrimination.

phil and ben were delighted about the outcome.
I thought it was William and Patrick ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Debs. on 18 January 2011, 22:12:58
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men doing unspeakable things to each other in a hotel room

 :P Don`t bring politicians into it! ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 18 January 2011, 22:16:49
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men doing unspeakable things to each other in a hotel room

 :P Don`t bring politicians into it! ;D
There goes my seat! ::)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Gaffers on 18 January 2011, 23:01:30
Cue the best and most politically incorrect scene:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeX5HSBFooI[/media]
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Turk on 19 January 2011, 00:19:37
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Going by this thread, today must be a slow news day.
We're too busy talking about men doing unspeakable things to eachother in a hotel room on another thread! ::)

in case your not up to speed with the news regarding the  above thread..

two men from scotland have brought a case against the  hotel owners for discrimination.

phil and ben were delighted about the outcome.

 ::) I'm in Wales...not Outer Mongolia !  ;)

Anyway, what's that got to do with '5 blokes of one colour kicking the living daylights out of another poor bloke of a different colour...' ?
Try as I might, I just can't see the funny side of that.
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: albitz on 19 January 2011, 00:30:11
If it was worded in the following way would it be OK to laugh ?

"An asian came home one night and told his wife that he just saw 5 other asians giving a BNP member a kicking. The wife asked if he had jumped in to help and he told her that he didnt as he thought 5 of them was enough". :-/
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Hannah Judes Dad on 19 January 2011, 00:33:36
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Cue the best and most politically incorrect scene:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeX5HSBFooI[/media]

 :y :y :y :y :y :y
You don't get them like that at ITC's anymore  :(
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Hannah Judes Dad on 19 January 2011, 00:35:48
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If it was worded in the following way would it be OK to laugh ?

"An asian came home one night and told his wife that he just saw 5 other asians giving a BNP member a kicking. The wife asked if he had jumped in to help and he told her that he didnt as he thought 5 of them was enough". :-/

Is that racist towards the BNP ?  ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: albitz on 19 January 2011, 00:43:20
You tell me mate,Im confused. :-/ :D ;D ;D......but then I am Irish.

Have I been racist to myself ?? :-/ ::) ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Turk on 19 January 2011, 00:43:46
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If it was worded in the following way would it be OK to laugh ?

"An asian came home one night and told his wife that he just saw 5 other asians giving a BNP member a kicking. The wife asked if he had jumped in to help and he told her that he didnt as he thought 5 of them was enough". :-/
It appears some folk just don't get it.  ::)
Ok, let's try it this way '5 blokes...kicking the living daylights out of another poor bloke...'   IS...NOT...FUNNY !! 
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: albitz on 19 January 2011, 00:46:04
I dont think the funny part is about the fact that someone is getting a kicking. ;)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Hannah Judes Dad on 19 January 2011, 00:47:00
Well I know I'm not racist 'cos I'll race anyone  :D ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Turk on 19 January 2011, 00:52:49
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I dont think the funny part is about the fact that someone is getting a kicking. ;)

You don't say.  :o   ::)

Ok, visualize it as a 'comedy sketch' with a graphically realistic 'kicking' scene and see if you still find it so funny.
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Turk on 19 January 2011, 00:54:16
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Well I know I'm not racist 'cos I'll race anyone  :D ;D

 ;D ;D  Now that IS funny !  :y
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Hannah Judes Dad on 19 January 2011, 00:56:47
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Well I know I'm not racist 'cos I'll race anyone  :D ;D

 ;D ;D  Now that IS funny !  :y

Just because I'll race anyone doesn't mean I'll win,I'm built for comfort not speed
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: albitz on 19 January 2011, 02:43:59
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Can we have more please. It really gets me postcount going :y ;D

Just noticed, mine has gone past 11000 tonight. I should really try to talk less 'dangle berries'. ::) :D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 19 January 2011, 08:48:36
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Cue the best and most politically incorrect scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeX5HSBFooI


Aah, well posted G. 8-) :y

This motivational speech by the great R Lee Ermey must rate as being one of the greatest continuously ad libbed/improvised/off-script pieces in recent film history.

He was of course a highly decorated US Marine in reality.




Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: millwall on 19 January 2011, 10:16:23
im not racist  i hate everyone ;D ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Gaffers on 19 January 2011, 18:30:06
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Cue the best and most politically incorrect scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeX5HSBFooI


Aah, well posted G. 8-) :y

This motivational speech by the great R Lee Ermey must rate as being one of the greatest continuously ad libbed/improvised/off-script pieces in recent film history.

He was of course a highly decorated US Marine in reality.





I like the fact that he was hired as a consultant to find an actor who would play that part.  He did a demo of what that person should be able to do and they liked him so much they hired him instead!  He has since been a small time actor in several films  :y
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Banjax on 19 January 2011, 19:52:58
"Full Metal Jacket" ITV4 10:35pm tonight  :y :y

might stay up past bedtime to watch it again  ;)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: bluey on 19 January 2011, 20:01:01
If posts get deleted, its cos one of the admin team dont like it.

In the joke section at the top, note - If you saw it on sikipedia, leave it there :y

Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: unlucky alf on 19 January 2011, 20:12:49
How about this if you want racism :o.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348564/British-mothers-toddlers-banned-council-funded-playgroup-immigrants.html
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Mysteryman on 19 January 2011, 20:17:24
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If posts get deleted, its cos one of the admin team dont like it.

In the joke section at the top, note - If you saw it on sikipedia, leave it there :y



If jokes get deleted it's because of Pinky. His only job is to police the joke section ;D

Quite right too. ::)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Mysteryman on 19 January 2011, 20:27:47
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How about this if you want racism :o.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348564/British-mothers-toddlers-banned-council-funded-playgroup-immigrants.html


Something like that would have upset me a while back. I'm over it now and looking forward to the war.


Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag..... ;D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: hotel21 on 19 January 2011, 21:20:49
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If posts get deleted, its cos one of the admin team dont like it.

In the joke section at the top, note - If you saw it on sikipedia, leave it there :y



If jokes get deleted it's because of Pinky. His only job is to police the joke section ;D

Quite right too. ::)

No its not.

I get hacked of with reading old aged racist(ish) cack as well....   :P
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Post by: Chris_H on 19 January 2011, 21:24:57
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How about this if you want racism :o.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348564/British-mothers-toddlers-banned-council-funded-playgroup-immigrants.html
I find that quite amusing 'cos they say it's all right to have a group for one nationality but actually they are running a group for all nationalities except one.

It looks a bit iffy to me.
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Mysteryman on 19 January 2011, 21:33:11
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If posts get deleted, its cos one of the admin team dont like it.

In the joke section at the top, note - If you saw it on sikipedia, leave it there :y



If jokes get deleted it's because of Pinky. His only job is to police the joke section ;D

Quite right too. ::)

No its not.

I get hacked of with reading old aged racist(ish) cack as well....   :P


That's what I said, Pinky. ;D
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Post by: Vamps on 19 January 2011, 21:39:44
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"Full Metal Jacket" ITV4 10:35pm tonight  :y :y

might stay up past bedtime to watch it again  ;)

Again ::) I watched it at the weekend, again.... ::) ::) :D
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: aaronjb on 19 January 2011, 22:09:31
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How about this if you want racism :o.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348564/British-mothers-toddlers-banned-council-funded-playgroup-immigrants.html
I find that quite amusing 'cos they say it's all right to have a group for one nationality but actually they are running a group for all nationalities except one.

It looks a bit iffy to me.

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I wonder if a single word of this article is true, strangely I took my daughter to the same playgroup and had no issue.I'm white and unfortunately also british, my wife is French but they weren't to know that. there were other "british" families there, these women seem to be the only ones who were excluded.

- John Doe, St Neots, 19/1/2011 20:03

(That comment is getting voted 'down' by everyone, it seems!) Of course I believe the comment about as much as I believe things reported in the Daily Fail, but...
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 19 January 2011, 22:45:39
Ok. Let's take a monent to think here before getting all offended & being uppity Ednas. HOW many times on previous posts have i said i'm not racist? I'd be quite open about it if i was i can assure you. HOW many times have i said i despise bullying in any form? Two members have tried to explain where the humour was intended but Broocie & Turk cannot or will not see it for what it was...no i thought 5 was enough. It's a play on words for crying out loud. I could've used 5 apples vs 1 orange but did'nt want to offend a grocer. ::)
   If i actually saw 5 against one in any form i'd dive in & fight the minorities corner, probably getting a kicking in the process but that's me. Would either of you? No time for phone calls, it'll all be over by then. If yes then good on you. If no regardless of why then SHUT UP & don't sit in judgement of me. My morals & bottle are worth 10 of your PC/legal standards.

  No PM's please, either ignore me or answer for all to see, oh & i won't post anything like this again. It was close to the mark but meant in context. Guy.
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Post by: hotel21 on 19 January 2011, 23:36:00
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If posts get deleted, its cos one of the admin team dont like it.

In the joke section at the top, note - If you saw it on sikipedia, leave it there :y



If jokes get deleted it's because of Pinky. His only job is to police the joke section ;D

Quite right too. ::)

No its not.

I get hacked of with reading old aged racist(ish) cack as well....   :P

Guy, you are wrong, as far as I read it.  I quoted Bluey, who's post had been edited by Jimbob.

We have met often enough for you to know my real life politics/sexual persuasion without running off at the mouth/keyboard and assuming. 

Its an often misused quote but true, non the less - assumption is the mother of all foul ups...

I enjoy realtime, new, humour within certain personal parameters.  I dislike reading regurgitated dross on here that is better suited to sickipedia and has been circulated goodness knows how many times on e-mails and PM's and similar.

I actually liked the way that you restructured an old, often told, tired joke, into something contemporary so as not to offend the masses.

Really....  :'(

Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 19 January 2011, 23:47:55
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If posts get deleted, its cos one of the admin team dont like it.

In the joke section at the top, note - If you saw it on sikipedia, leave it there :y



If jokes get deleted it's because of Pinky. His only job is to police the joke section ;D

Quite right too. ::)

No its not.

I get hacked of with reading old aged racist(ish) cack as well....   :P

Guy, you are wrong, as far as I read it.  I quoted Bluey, who's post had been edited by Jimbob.

We have met often enough for you to know my real life politics/sexual persuasion without running off at the mouth/keyboard and assuming. 

Its an often misused quote but true, non the less - assumption is the mother of all foul ups...

I enjoy realtime, new, humour within certain personal parameters.  I dislike reading regurgitated dross on here that is better suited to sickipedia and has been circulated goodness knows how many times on e-mails and PM's and similar.

I actually liked the way that you restructured an old, often told, tired joke, into something contemporary so as not to offend the masses.

Really....  :'(

& it did'nt offend the masses....just the few.
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: hotel21 on 19 January 2011, 23:50:10
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& it did'nt offend the masses....just the few.

...  and your point, bigstuff?    :y
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Amigo on 19 January 2011, 23:56:04
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& it did'nt offend the masses....just the few.

...  and your point, bigstuff?    :y
Only two of you cared enough to protest ot state it was tiresome. I know that my phone & emails are full of such. A few thought it funny, most ignored so were'nt bothered either way, that leaves two!...Just two. ::)
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: hotel21 on 20 January 2011, 00:02:49
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& it did'nt offend the masses....just the few.

...  and your point, bigstuff?    :y
Only two of you cared enough to protest ot state it was tiresome. I know that my phone & emails are full of such. A few thought it funny, most ignored so were'nt bothered either way, that leaves two!...Just two. ::)

Sorry to say but, you have lost me.

Be that because of a long day or whatever but fail to follow your logic. Sorry....     :(
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Post by: Amigo on 20 January 2011, 00:24:22
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& it did'nt offend the masses....just the few.

...  and your point, bigstuff?    :y
Only two of you cared enough to protest ot state it was tiresome. I know that my phone & emails are full of such. A few thought it funny, most ignored so were'nt bothered either way, that leaves two!...Just two. ::)

Sorry to say but, you have lost me.

Be that because of a long day or whatever but fail to follow your logic. Sorry....     :(
Only you & Turk seemed offended at my silly jokes, nobody else seemed to be bothered & took them as i intended if that's clearer. Anyway it has been a long day, will be again tomorrow...nearly the weekend!!
   I love you too much to fall out with you over such trivialities so am happy to call it a misunderstanding if you are & won't post the like again.

 Regards to you & Liz, Guy. :y
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Post by: mrgreen on 20 January 2011, 01:02:45
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& it did'nt offend the masses....just the few.

...  and your point, bigstuff?    :y
Only two of you cared enough to protest ot state it was tiresome. I know that my phone & emails are full of such. A few thought it funny, most ignored so were'nt bothered either way, that leaves two!...Just two. ::)

Sorry to say but, you have lost me.

Be that because of a long day or whatever but fail to follow your logic. Sorry....     :(
Only you & Turk seemed offended at my silly jokes, nobody else seemed to be bothered & took them as i intended if that's clearer. Anyway it has been a long day, will be again tomorrow...nearly the weekend!!
   I love you too much to fall out with you over such trivialities so am happy to call it a misunderstanding if you are & won't post the like again.

 Regards to you & Liz, Guy. :y

well i laughed anyway! it maybe an old joke but i hadn't heard it ;) :y
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Turk on 20 January 2011, 01:06:44
The 'not funny' issue is nothing to do with whether it was racist or non-racist. I fail to see the funny side as it was about.....oh never mind.
Anyway, have a look at this link, some may find it hilarious.   http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110118/tuk-vicious-gang-attack-caught-on-camera-45dbed5.html
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: mrgreen on 20 January 2011, 09:42:24
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The 'not funny' issue is nothing to do with whether it was racist or non-racist. I fail to see the funny side as it was about.....oh never mind.
Anyway, have a look at this link, some may find it hilarious.   http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110118/tuk-vicious-gang-attack-caught-on-camera-45dbed5.html

there's nothing funny about the reality of violence but as the joke stands i still find it funny
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: Banjax on 20 January 2011, 10:00:23
i would reckon quite a lot of people would find the joke offensive, but few can be arsed to argue why its offensive - if you cant see it, i'm not going to educate you  :(

Turk is absolutely spot on.


I was keeping my big nose out, but assuming that because only 2 people voiced disgust it somehow validates the "joke" is far from true  :o
Title: Re: Racism. Homophobia. Sexism.
Post by: bluey on 20 January 2011, 12:07:13
I hadn't read the joke I posted up anywhere else (which for the sake of clarity was not violent or of an extreme racist/sexist nature) but if it's an old one and the source is automatically not acceptable then so be it. 

This is not my messageboard, I didn't set it up, I don't spend hours of my spare time running it and if people post here then they should accept the rules, which I crossed purely out of ignorance. Fair enough, I hold my hands up on that and will do my best to be more aware of the guidelines in future.
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Post by: Turk on 20 January 2011, 12:32:02
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I hadn't read the joke I posted up anywhere else (which for the sake of clarity was not violent or of an extreme racist/sexist nature) but if it's an old one and the source is automatically not acceptable then so be it. 

This is not my messageboard, I didn't set it up, I don't spend hours of my spare time running it and if people post here then they should accept the rules, which I crossed purely out of ignorance. Fair enough, I hold my hands up on that and will do my best to be more aware of the guidelines in future.

 :y 
I've done it myself.  I posted a link with graphic scenes of the aftermath of an Israeli rocket attack and didn't add 'NWS in the topic heading.
Oh man, did I cop it !  ::)