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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tidla on 26 January 2011, 00:01:08
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intresting stuff. linking continents by rail.
technologies there... and the money... but so many questions.
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Spain and Africa are to be linked too by rail link/tunnel not for from Gibraltar. It is less distance than Dover Calais.
Raises the same questions no doubt but far better for the long term prosperity of the planet
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intresting stuff. linking continents by rail.
technologies there... and the money... but so many questions.
Oh yes Tapper and exactly my vision of the future! Rebuild and expand our ancient rail network system, so that goods from the North of England can travel at very high speed on large gauge lines to Moscow, or Johannesburg, or Sydney, in a day, or two for the latter! Passengers travelling the same way, all in high energy efficient train units.
I have a dream! That is my dream of the late 21st Century! :y :y
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intresting stuff. linking continents by rail.
technologies there... and the money... but so many questions.
Oh yes Tapper and exactly my vision of the future! Rebuild and expand our ancient rail network system, so that goods from the North of England can travel at very high speed on large gauge lines to Moscow, or Johannesburg, or Sydney, in a day, or two for the latter! Passengers travelling the same way, all in high energy efficient train units.
I have a dream! That is my dream of the late 21st Century! :y :y
Aye ......
Cardiff Central - Marrakesh every half-hour, and one round trip as a turn of duty too :D
What about rostering a Class 150/2 Sprinter to the diagram, I wonder?
28 litres and 570 of Cummins best horses running full out! :y
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intresting stuff. linking continents by rail.
technologies there... and the money... but so many questions.
Oh yes Tapper and exactly my vision of the future! Rebuild and expand our ancient rail network system, so that goods from the North of England can travel at very high speed on large gauge lines to Moscow, or Johannesburg, or Sydney, in a day, or two for the latter! Passengers travelling the same way, all in high energy efficient train units.
I have a dream! That is my dream of the late 21st Century! :y :y
Aye ......
Cardiff Central - Marrakesh every half-hour, and one round trip as a turn of duty too :D
What about rostering a Class 150/2 Sprinter to the diagram, I wonder?
28 litres and 570 of Cummins best horses running full out! :y
No - take an HST, lose a couple of coaches, the overspeed cards, and make sure the tyres have plenty of metal.
And use the TGV lines ;D ;D ;D ;D
How long at 140?
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intresting stuff. linking continents by rail.
technologies there... and the money... but so many questions.
Oh yes Tapper and exactly my vision of the future! Rebuild and expand our ancient rail network system, so that goods from the North of England can travel at very high speed on large gauge lines to Moscow, or Johannesburg, or Sydney, in a day, or two for the latter! Passengers travelling the same way, all in high energy efficient train units.
I have a dream! That is my dream of the late 21st Century! :y :y
Aye ......
Cardiff Central - Marrakesh every half-hour, and one round trip as a turn of duty too :D
What about rostering a Class 150/2 Sprinter to the diagram, I wonder?
28 litres and 570 of Cummins best horses running full out! :y
No - take an HST, lose a couple of coaches, the overspeed cards, and make sure the tyres have plenty of metal.
And use the TGV lines ;D ;D ;D ;D
How long at 140?
But then I'd need a traction refresh! ;D
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Saw a documentary about that tunnel, another tunnel was mentioned between Europe and USA.
It wouldn't go underground all the way but it would sit submerged and anchored under 30 or 50 metres of sea.
Bloody hell that tunnel would cause claustrophobia ;D
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Imagine all the changes.
Scarborough to York via DMU
York to Leiecester mainline
Leicester to Birmingham crosscountry
BM New Street to Birminghmam HS2
BM HS2 to Liege change to service to Frankfurt
Frankfurt to Brindisi (belting train)
Change for ship as tunnel to Sydney still being built.
One day, I hope to be able to go from the Spanish Costas to North of England via High Speed train but even that will require changes at Madrid and Paris and London and York. :y
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intresting stuff. linking continents by rail.
technologies there... and the money... but so many questions.
Oh yes Tapper and exactly my vision of the future! Rebuild and expand our ancient rail network system, so that goods from the North of England can travel at very high speed on large gauge lines to Moscow, or Johannesburg, or Sydney, in a day, or two for the latter! Passengers travelling the same way, all in high energy efficient train units.
I have a dream! That is my dream of the late 21st Century! :y :y
Aye ......
Cardiff Central - Marrakesh every half-hour, and one round trip as a turn of duty too :D
What about rostering a Class 150/2 Sprinter to the diagram, I wonder?
28 litres and 570 of Cummins best horses running full out! :y
No - take an HST, lose a couple of coaches, the overspeed cards, and make sure the tyres have plenty of metal.
And use the TGV lines ;D ;D ;D ;D
How long at 140?
Sorry Martin, but that is not the future, that is with todays 20th century thinking and technology! ::) ::) ::)
We need a large gauge, and extensive, really super modern, late 21st Century, railway system, with super high speed (SHS) trains travelling at 600 mph on lines (SHS 1, 2, 3, 4, etc!) constructed fit for purpose for very long distances as I suggested before! These trains would cover at least 7,000 miles in 12 hours, so making SE Asia, China, Russia, and Australia within realistic reach. Goods manufactured in the North of England could be with the customer in Chine within just a few hours. Around the other side of the World within 24 hours. 8-) 8-)
We need the vision of great engineers, those in the aerospace field included, who are the 21st Century versions of Brunel and Stevenson ;) ;).
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Imagine all the changes.
Scarborough to York via DMU
York to Leiecester mainline
Leicester to Birmingham crosscountry
BM New Street to Birminghmam HS2
BM HS2 to Liege change to service to Frankfurt
Frankfurt to Brindisi (belting train)
Change for ship as tunnel to Sydney still being built.
One day, I hope to be able to go from the Spanish Costas to North of England via High Speed train but even that will require changes at Madrid and Paris and London and York. :y
We looked seriously at getting the train to Ostuni (near Brindisi) when we went on our hols last September :y :y
Price was prohibitive though (and timings weren't fantastic either) as it was about the same price to drive by the time you factored in a hire car
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One day, I hope to be able to go from the Spanish Costas to North of England via High Speed train but even that will require changes at Madrid and Paris and London and York. :y
Yes I think that a good idea indeed - I'm all for rail travel. :y
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Price was prohibitive though (and timings weren't fantastic either) as it was about the same price to drive by the time you factored in a hire car
When I went to Paris it was considerably cheaper to fly than it was to get the train.. I can't see rail travel becoming more popular than air when that's the case (and I imagine the price differential would only get larger the longer the distance involved)
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Price was prohibitive though (and timings weren't fantastic either) as it was about the same price to drive by the time you factored in a hire car
When I went to Paris it was considerably cheaper to fly than it was to get the train.. I can't see rail travel becoming more popular than air when that's the case (and I imagine the price differential would only get larger the longer the distance involved)
Reasons why the train will be best by the end of the 21st century at the latest, if not now:
Not everyone likes flying.
Supersonic flight will remain very expensive and with maybe no planes to provide passage.
As oil runs out it will become far more expensive to fly, until eventually an alternative propulsion system will have to be devised anyway. That may not be possible to provide at the ticket prices of today's comparative levels.
Environmental pressures will limit oil fueled flight
Freight will be the main revenue earner, with huge tonnage being moved by the new rail system on Broad gauge super wagons.
Passengers will travel in Broad gauge Super High Speed (SHS) trains consisting of coaches four times the capacity of todays stock, which will keep unit ticket prices at realistic levels.
;) ;)
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intresting stuff. linking continents by rail.
technologies there... and the money... but so many questions.
Oh yes Tapper and exactly my vision of the future! Rebuild and expand our ancient rail network system, so that goods from the North of England can travel at very high speed on large gauge lines to Moscow, or Johannesburg, or Sydney, in a day, or two for the latter! Passengers travelling the same way, all in high energy efficient train units.
I have a dream! That is my dream of the late 21st Century! :y :y
Absolutely!
Russia already uses a wide gauge, the trains are comfortable, roomy and cheap to travel on. Trains are my preferred transport there where I travel widely, a lot safer and more comfortable than the rattletrap 40 year old Tupolevs jets used inter-city... and you get to meet great people and drink vodka with them!
I agree with all you say, however the problem isn't just the required investment to build it, but the massive amounts of subsidy that would be required to make the tickets affordable...
Dreams of a no-change service to Moscow.... :D
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Hmmmmm, spend 100 Billion dollars on a tunnel between two of the least populated areas on earth.
Great idea!
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Hmmmmm, spend 100 Billion dollars on a tunnel between two of the least populated areas on earth.
Great idea!
157 billion actual outurn as the 100 billion was a low round figure to get everyone tempted. ;D ;D
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Hmmmmm, spend 100 Billion dollars on a tunnel between two of the least populated areas on earth.
Great idea!
But that Mark would just be one section of the international system.
It is always a mistake with the railway system to do what Beeching / Marple's did. Branch lines fed the main lines like a stream feeds a river. Without the branch line, the main line flow is reduced and overall profitability, along with customer service, is lost. All parts of the 21st century system, even the quietest sections, would feed the main international flow of freight and passenger traffic. ;) ;)
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It is always a mistake with the railway system to do what Beeching / Marple's did. Branch lines fed the main lines like a stream feeds a river. Without the branch line, the main line flow is reduced and overall profitability, along with customer service, is lost. All parts of the 21st century system, even the quietest sections, would feed the main international flow of freight and passenger traffic. ;) ;)
Exactly Lizzie, these lines are the first link in the chain of rail transport. We should be making it easier for people to expolit public transport not more difficult by expecting them to jump through hoops to get themselves to major transport hubs.
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Hmmmmm, spend 100 Billion dollars on a tunnel between two of the least populated areas on earth.
Great idea!
But that Mark would just be one section of the international system.
It is always a mistake with the railway system to do what Beeching / Marple's did. Branch lines fed the main lines like a stream feeds a river. Without the branch line, the main line flow is reduced and overall profitability, along with customer service, is lost. All parts of the 21st century system, even the quietest sections, would feed the main international flow of freight and passenger traffic. ;) ;)
Not sure where the relevance is TBH.
The key issues I see are
a) A bloody huge tunnel which will be an engineering challenge of the greatest order.
b) It links two mega low population areas.
c) Connecting links, particularly on the Alaska side, will be a nightmare!
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Hmmmmm, spend 100 Billion dollars on a tunnel between two of the least populated areas on earth.
Great idea!
But that Mark would just be one section of the international system.
It is always a mistake with the railway system to do what Beeching / Marple's did. Branch lines fed the main lines like a stream feeds a river. Without the branch line, the main line flow is reduced and overall profitability, along with customer service, is lost. All parts of the 21st century system, even the quietest sections, would feed the main international flow of freight and passenger traffic. ;) ;)
Not sure where the relevance is TBH.
The key issues I see are
a) A bloody huge tunnel which will be an engineering challenge of the greatest order.
b) It links two mega low population areas.
c) Connecting links, particularly on the Alaska side, will be a nightmare!
Did challenges like this stop the great Victorian railway engineers thinking outside the box?
Do contempary engineers step back from building "impossible" bridges, tunnels, and very high rise buildings?
It can all be done, and by the second half of the this century they will be able to do a lot more.
The great railway lines of the world often travel though sparsley populated areas, but do link major communities at either end. The question is do we want a super inter-continental railway system or not? Of course I will say yes for the reasons I have previously outlined ;) ;) ;)
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It won't work, did they not learn from the failure of the Euro tunnel? Its still not making money. Its still massively in debt, Eurostar is making money, but that's a separate company that pay to use the rail. Freight side of business is not doing well.
Ferry traffic demand between Dover-Calais is higher than ever, I prefer the Ferry. Being in the tunnel was like being in the London Tube, but in your car.
Roads & Trucks is where freight will remain, its far more flexible for pickups and drop-offs to businesses.
A cross continental rail system is flawed in my opinion, it won't work, too many regulations and red tape in each country. Look at the Orient Express, that uses a different loco & crew for each country.