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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: jyr001 on 29 January 2011, 20:25:52
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
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Im 25 and i have had exactly the same. bought a bread knife from asda and got asked ID!. i look more like 30 for god sake ;D
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
My step-mum had an issue a while back with Tesco.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3642302.Southwick_mum_wins_Tesco_apology/
Afraid to say that this is what the world is coming to. Equally, if they had sold it and it was used for a crime we'd probably all be jumping up and down about it
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rightly done in my opinion refusing the sale, if it turns out the person is under age, the person on the checkout who sold the item, can be liable for a considerable fine.
So if you on the checkout earning £5/hr why take the risk?
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know the feeling mate.... went to tesco with my gitlfriends daughter and her boyfriend. i bought a 4 pack of beer and some other bits and bobs and cos they were with me they wouldnt serve me.
to be fair to the store theyre just protecting themselves from getting in trouble.
still ridiculous though.
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Interesting ... but if you were BEHIND someone in the queue.. and you saw them being sold a knife without any checks ... you'd probably be the first to complain about Sainsbury's lackadaisical attitude to the law .... ??
Rules apply to all .. not just to "others" and sometimes they put us a little inconvenience .
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
The boyfriend, who no doubt looks well over 18, should have been an irrelevant factor :P :P
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
No, the same rule applies to alcohol & cigarettes. She could have been buying it for him, he was unable to produce ID, therefore she refused sale. Totally correct thing to do.
We know their age, but the checkout bod, would have to go on looks / judgement alone.
I've been asked for ID on booze, i'm 26 and 6ft4!
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
No, the same rule applies to alcohol & cigarettes. She could have been buying it for him, he was unable to produce ID, therefore she refused sale. Totally correct thing to do.
We know their age, but the checkout bod, would have to go on looks / judgement alone.
I've been asked for ID on booze, i'm 26 and 6ft4!
I agree with Lizzie.
Although I've only seen you from afar you still looked more than 18 & had I been in your postition would've left the booze at the checkout! All the person on the till needs to judge is if you're over 18 .... not how old you actually are.
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
No, the same rule applies to alcohol & cigarettes. She could have been buying it for him, he was unable to produce ID, therefore she refused sale. Totally correct thing to do.
We know their age, but the checkout bod, would have to go on looks / judgement alone.
I've been asked for ID on booze, i'm 26 and 6ft4!
If it were the only kitchen implement on the belt then I'd have said it was spot on but with a fairly comprehensive collection of stuff I would have expected common sense to prevail, certainly on the part of the manager. :-/
Equally, if they want to be seen to apply the rules then they have to have zero tolerance. ;)
I can't remember the last time I was asked for ID for anything like that... Probably before I was 17 18 ::) :-X Except once recently when I joked in the local shop that I never get asked (the lady had ID'd the 2 previous youngsters) and she asked me but didn't actually look ::) ;D
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TBH if I was the checkout operator I would have done the same --PITA though it is .... but THEY are personally liable.
Mental note though ---- next time I go shopping for a blade I will leave the posse outside -- some of them are only 9 ::)
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Actually most supermarkets have a 'challenge 25' policy - unless you look 25 or over, they won't sell you age-related goods, it's used as a safety buffer.
If you've got ID to prove you're over 18, then the sale is approved
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
No, the same rule applies to alcohol & cigarettes. She could have been buying it for him, he was unable to produce ID, therefore she refused sale. Totally correct thing to do.
We know their age, but the checkout bod, would have to go on looks / judgement alone.
I've been asked for ID on booze, i'm 26 and 6ft4!
I agree with Lizzie.
Although I've only seen you from afar you still looked more than 18 & had I been in your postition would've left the booze at the checkout! All the person on the till needs to judge is if you're over 18 .... not how old you actually are.
Not any more ;) ;) Most places are part of the "Challenge 25" scheme where if you appear under 25......... ;) ;)
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I know that the law is the law and as I mentioned above I fully condone steps taken to prevent knife crime but surely there must be some degree of common sense applied to this situation. It would appear not. I suspect the article reported by Lazydocker - and the ensuing apology - was more to protect Tesco's Corporate image.
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
No, the same rule applies to alcohol & cigarettes. She could have been buying it for him, he was unable to produce ID, therefore she refused sale. Totally correct thing to do.
We know their age, but the checkout bod, would have to go on looks / judgement alone.
I've been asked for ID on booze, i'm 26 and 6ft4!
I agree with Lizzie.
Although I've only seen you from afar you still looked more than 18 & had I been in your postition would've left the booze at the checkout! All the person on the till needs to judge is if you're over 18 .... not how old you actually are.
I don't remember a meet or gathering we were at same place? :-/
I've worked on checkouts when i left school, both Tesco and a small cornershop, I found it very difficult to judge ages.
One girl l I asked (she was about 4ft8!) when she wanted some cigs, turnes out she was 24! :-[ :-[
But what's drilled into you when you start work at supermarkets, is if in doubt, say no! - Its not worth the risk of a fine or your job!
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
No, the same rule applies to alcohol & cigarettes. She could have been buying it for him, he was unable to produce ID, therefore she refused sale. Totally correct thing to do.
We know their age, but the checkout bod, would have to go on looks / judgement alone.
I've been asked for ID on booze, i'm 26 and 6ft4!
I agree with Lizzie.
Although I've only seen you from afar you still looked more than 18 & had I been in your postition would've left the booze at the checkout! All the person on the till needs to judge is if you're over 18 .... not how old you actually are.
Not any more ;) ;) Most places are part of the "Challenge 25" scheme where if you appear under 25......... ;) ;)
they're writing their own rules/laws now then? If the law requires you to be 18 to buy booze or a knife who's Sainsbury/etc to have their own limit?
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rightly done in my opinion refusing the sale, if it turns out the person is under age, the person on the checkout who sold the item, can be liable for a considerable fine.
So if you on the checkout earning £5/hr why take the risk?
Exactly, and management will always support their staff
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
No, the same rule applies to alcohol & cigarettes. She could have been buying it for him, he was unable to produce ID, therefore she refused sale. Totally correct thing to do.
We know their age, but the checkout bod, would have to go on looks / judgement alone.
I've been asked for ID on booze, i'm 26 and 6ft4!
I agree with Lizzie.
Although I've only seen you from afar you still looked more than 18 & had I been in your postition would've left the booze at the checkout! All the person on the till needs to judge is if you're over 18 .... not how old you actually are.
Not any more ;) ;) Most places are part of the "Challenge 25" scheme where if you appear under 25......... ;) ;)
they're writing their own rules/laws now then? If the law requires you to be 18 to buy booze or a knife who's Sainsbury/etc to have their own limit?
They need to prove that they're 18
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I don't remember a meet or gathering we were at same place? :-/ .....
York II ;)
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clue is in the name "check out girl". probably been insrtucted an hour before on store policy.
had the same thing trying to buy more that three lots of paracetamol products in one go. the check out divider solved the problem.
i now have a till check out system.
young lass= speed.
more mature= a bit slower but if you have an age check item always a good choice.
as time is money i would have chose another till and told the the other half to disappear.
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
No, the same rule applies to alcohol & cigarettes. She could have been buying it for him, he was unable to produce ID, therefore she refused sale. Totally correct thing to do.
We know their age, but the checkout bod, would have to go on looks / judgement alone.
I've been asked for ID on booze, i'm 26 and 6ft4!
I agree with Lizzie.
Although I've only seen you from afar you still looked more than 18 & had I been in your postition would've left the booze at the checkout! All the person on the till needs to judge is if you're over 18 .... not how old you actually are.
Not any more ;) ;) Most places are part of the "Challenge 25" scheme where if you appear under 25......... ;) ;)
they're writing their own rules/laws now then? If the law requires you to be 18 to buy booze or a knife who's Sainsbury/etc to have their own limit?
Its a national thing Andy, not just Sainsburys...
http://www.wsta.co.uk/Challenge-25.html
The 21 rule came in just as I was leaving the checkouts, its now 25 :y
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I don't remember a meet or gathering we were at same place? :-/ .....
York II ;)
Ohhhh, you should have come over when there was the 'split' I was setting up the tent in dark, before long had rather large gathering! IIC, Elite Pete, Capt Zok, most of the gang was there by end
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clue is in the name "check out girl". probably been insrtucted an hour before on store policy.
had the same thing trying to buy more that three lots of paracetamol products in one go. the check out divider solved the problem.
i now have a till check out system.
young lass= speed.
more mature= a bit slower but if you have an age check item always a good choice.
as time is money i would have chose another till and told the the other half to disappear.
Had frequent arguments over this... Buying 2 packs of Paracetemol and 2 packs of Ibuprofen and getting refused ::) ::)
Then you can go into Boots (as we did recently) asking for Soluble Paracetemol and were told we could only buy it in a box of 100 ::) ::)
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what if your kids are 'under age' and they come with you on your weekly shop? Does this mean you run the gauntlet of leaving them at the door on their own & having social services waiting for you when you get back home, or do you get refused at the till when you have a case of Tesco own brand lager & a bottle of whisky in your trolly? It seems you'd be in a no win situation!
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clue is in the name "check out girl". probably been insrtucted an hour before on store policy.
had the same thing trying to buy more that three lots of paracetamol products in one go. the check out divider solved the problem.
i now have a till check out system.
young lass= speed.
more mature= a bit slower but if you have an age check item always a good choice.
as time is money i would have chose another till and told the the other half to disappear.
Had frequent arguments over this... Buying 2 packs of Paracetemol and 2 packs of Ibuprofen and getting refused ::) ::)
Then you can go into Boots (as we did recently) asking for Soluble Paracetemol and were told we could only buy it in a box of 100 ::) ::)
I had that, Tesco till system refused any more than 2 packs in one transaction. Just needed to pay and then start a new transaction to get around it ::)
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Ohhhh, you should have come over when there was the 'split' I was setting up the tent in dark, before long had rather large gathering! IIC, Elite Pete, Capt Zok, most of the gang was there by end
We were enjoying ourselves on the other side of the field. ::)
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wont be long before most things will require...
(http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b460/tapper888/credit-to-persons-above-85-with-parents.jpg)
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clue is in the name "check out girl". probably been insrtucted an hour before on store policy.
had the same thing trying to buy more that three lots of paracetamol products in one go. the check out divider solved the problem.
i now have a till check out system.
young lass= speed.
more mature= a bit slower but if you have an age check item always a good choice.
as time is money i would have chose another till and told the the other half to disappear.
Had frequent arguments over this... Buying 2 packs of Paracetemol and 2 packs of Ibuprofen and getting refused ::) ::)
Then you can go into Boots (as we did recently) asking for Soluble Paracetemol and were told we could only buy it in a box of 100 ::) ::)
I had that, Tesco till system refused any more than 2 packs in one transaction. Just needed to pay and then start a new transaction to get around it ::)
Refused them on a second transaction to me, or SWMBO, of MIL/FIL who were with me ::) ::)
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Ohhhh, you should have come over when there was the 'split' I was setting up the tent in dark, before long had rather large gathering! IIC, Elite Pete, Capt Zok, most of the gang was there by end
We were enjoying ourselves on the other side of the field. ::)
In the Bongo Bongo Tent? :o ;D
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clue is in the name "check out girl". probably been insrtucted an hour before on store policy.
had the same thing trying to buy more that three lots of paracetamol products in one go. the check out divider solved the problem.
i now have a till check out system.
young lass= speed.
more mature= a bit slower but if you have an age check item always a good choice.
as time is money i would have chose another till and told the the other half to disappear.
Had frequent arguments over this... Buying 2 packs of Paracetemol and 2 packs of Ibuprofen and getting refused ::) ::)
Then you can go into Boots (as we did recently) asking for Soluble Paracetemol and were told we could only buy it in a box of 100 ::) ::)
I had that, Tesco till system refused any more than 2 packs in one transaction. Just needed to pay and then start a new transaction to get around it ::)
Refused them on a second transaction to me, or SWMBO, of MIL/FIL who were with me ::) ::)
Might have updated the firmware since my days!
its not same any more, with my reduce gun I could set anything to £0.05p, it was not tied into main system (unlike now) so just went through as "other" under items reduced.
I ate well at lunch time :-X
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Whatever happened to common sense.......here we have a 23 year old woman and a 25 year old man trying to buy a kitchen knife FFS....and not being allowed to.....It's just crazy......
At eleven..years old a group of us would go to the local shop and buy a pack of 20 ciggies between us.....We were four feet nothing and dressed in school uniform.......We had no problems getting served.
I've heard of men in their mid thirties unable to buy alcohol because they did not have I.D to prove they were 18.......Madness ...utter madness.... :( :( :( :(
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clue is in the name "check out girl". probably been insrtucted an hour before on store policy.
had the same thing trying to buy more that three lots of paracetamol products in one go. the check out divider solved the problem.
i now have a till check out system.
young lass= speed.
more mature= a bit slower but if you have an age check item always a good choice.
as time is money i would have chose another till and told the the other half to disappear.
Had frequent arguments over this... Buying 2 packs of Paracetemol and 2 packs of Ibuprofen and getting refused ::) ::)
Then you can go into Boots (as we did recently) asking for Soluble Paracetemol and were told we could only buy it in a box of 100 ::) ::)
I had that, Tesco till system refused any more than 2 packs in one transaction. Just needed to pay and then start a new transaction to get around it ::)
Refused them on a second transaction to me, or SWMBO, of MIL/FIL who were with me ::) ::)
Might have updated the firmware since my days!
its not same any more, with my reduce gun I could set anything to £0.05p, it was not tied into main system (unlike now) so just went through as "other" under items reduced.
I ate well at lunch time :-X
they dont taste that nice and i dont thing too many are good for you. ::)
(yes i do know what you mean)
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.[/quote]
Get the wife to go as well and fill a trolly then walk out :y
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
Exactly Opti! :y :y :y :y
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
Exactly Opti! :y :y :y :y
Wrong!!!
It is drilled into checkout staff, if in doubt reject. Moral judgement as fek all to do with it!!
If the person looks under 25, cannot product ID, refuse sale, no moral judgements involved here, simple rules.
If you are found to have sold drinks/booze/knifes to underage it was instant dismissal.
So why risk it?
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
Exactly Opti! :y :y :y :y
It's common sense really Lizzie.......for example......a 50 year old man buys some alcohol with his 17 year old daughter present...........however....the girl on the till thinks the man may offer the girl a little tipple ...so refuses to serve the man.......NONE OF THEIR FU*KING BUSINESS...... >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
Exactly Opti! :y :y :y :y
It's common sense really Lizzie.......for example......a 50 year old man buys some alcohol with his 17 year old daughter present...........however....the girl on the till thinks the man may offer the girl a little tipple ...so refuses to serve the man.......NONE OF THEIR FU*KING BUSINESS...... >:( >:( >:( >:(
Delightful way of putting it. Humm how about their job for starters? Think thats their business? Yes it is. ::)
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
Exactly Opti! :y :y :y :y
Wrong!!!
It is drilled into checkout staff, if in doubt reject. Moral judgement as blank all to do with it!!
If the person looks under 25, cannot product ID, refuse sale, no moral judgements involved here, simple rules.
If you are found to have sold drinks/booze/knifes to underage it was instant dismissal.
So why risk it?
Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
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Pretty soon all the robots who try to control and assimilate us will have us banned from coming out of our houses. The Equality and Diversity Brigade will ban us from talking to each other, the Health and Safety prefects will makes us suit up to wipe our own backsides, or charge us to employ an 'operative' to wipe our backsides for us. No wonder Britain is the uncompetitive mollycoddled laughing stock of the world!
I say vote UKIP!
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that's the most rediculous thing i've heard in a while i mean lets be honest if a lad wants to get his hands on a knife surely it's not hard to go round to your mums and be away with one, these measures don't prevent knife crimes imo, as for the ibuprofen i used to stock up in england as you can't get generics over here only the mighty expensive, i would buy two packs through the checkout and then another two at the pharmacy at the end of the checkout!
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that's the most rediculous thing i've heard in a while i mean lets be honest if a lad wants to get his hands on a knife surely it's not hard to go round to your mums and be away with one, these measures don't prevent knife crimes imo, as for the ibuprofen i used to stock up in england as you can't get generics over here only the mighty expensive, i would buy two packs through the checkout and then another two at the pharmacy at the end of the checkout!
I think the previous governments social policies have worsened this tbh
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Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+
But lets run with your issue with morals here.
When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.
Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
Exactly Opti! :y :y :y :y
It's common sense really Lizzie.......for example......a 50 year old man buys some alcohol with his 17 year old daughter present...........however....the girl on the till thinks the man may offer the girl a little tipple ...so refuses to serve the man.......NONE OF THEIR FU*KING BUSINESS...... >:( >:( >:( >:(
Delightful way of putting it. Humm how about their job for starters? Think thats their business? Yes it is. ::)
Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is..... :( :( :(
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I don't remember a meet or gathering we were at same place? :-/ .....
York II ;)
Ohhhh, you should have come over when there was the 'split' I was setting up the tent in dark, before long had rather large gathering! IIC, Elite Pete, Capt Zok, most of the gang was there by end
I was there too, from what I remember it was quite entertaining..... :D :D :D
Tesco did not ask me today if I was going to give Miss Vamps my Whisky........no chance, it is all mine :D :D :D
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But then who or what empowers the state to think that it has the authority to dictate to the people whether or not they can or cannot allow their offspring to consume alcohol? It's our country, we decide what happens. The 'authorities' exist to serve us, not the other way around. They only rubber stamp our decisions.
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Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+
But lets run with your issue with morals here.
When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.
Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?
You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?
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Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is..... :( :( :(
Sod 'insulting' the customer, if its your job on the line ;)
But if your happy to loose your income, but can leave with a clear head knowing you sold that Knife. Good on you! :-?
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
Exactly Opti! :y :y :y :y
It's common sense really Lizzie.......for example......a 50 year old man buys some alcohol with his 17 year old daughter present...........however....the girl on the till thinks the man may offer the girl a little tipple ...so refuses to serve the man.......NONE OF THEIR FU*KING BUSINESS...... >:( >:( >:( >:(
Delightful way of putting it. Humm how about their job for starters? Think thats their business? Yes it is. ::)
Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is..... :( :( :(
The law states you can give under eighteens a drink(it actually from 5 years of age )so what the problem with selling to somebody who may or may not give some away.the laws the law personal judgement should not come into it :y
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
Exactly Opti! :y :y :y :y
Wrong!!!
It is drilled into checkout staff, if in doubt reject. Moral judgement as blank all to do with it!!
If the person looks under 25, cannot product ID, refuse sale, no moral judgements involved here, simple rules.
If you are found to have sold drinks/booze/knifes to underage it was instant dismissal.
So why risk it?
Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
That is precisely the point in all this. If the person has ID to prove they are of the right age then a sale can be made within the letter of the law. She did have ID and the fact that her boyfriend didn't, or the person standing outside, or the dog tied to the lampost also couldn't prove their age should never come into it!!
I was once in the retail industry where our staff (I controlled 3,500 alone) sold tobacco, wines, spirits, over 18 DVD's, and fireworks. The staff were trained to ask for ID to prove age if the person buying appeared under age. But if ID was present and correct then the sale went ahead. Who was with them did not matter a hoot!
Any sale that is refused because of who is with a person making a purchase, who has produced ID, is because of a moral judgement. This is especially so when the person accompanying the purchaser is well over 21!!
What I would say is though that any "young" person who is making one of these "legally restrained" purchases has ID on them, and also makes sure any younger person with them stays outside of the store!! Common sense is what this is all about, and it has flown out of the window yet again!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+
But lets run with your issue with morals here.
When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.
Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?
You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?
You can't lock and full stop key broken? ::) - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.
Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.
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Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is..... :( :( :(
Sod 'insulting' the customer, if its your job on the line ;)
But if your happy to loose your income, but can leave with a clear head knowing you sold that Knife. Good on you! :-?
You didn't answer my question ........so I'll ask it again.......The woman in question had I.D to prove she was over The age of 18..(23)......and yet they still would not serve her .....WHY NOT?....simple question really
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Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+
But lets run with your issue with morals here.
When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.
Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?
You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?
You can't lock and full stop key broken? ::) - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.
Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.
And you don't think that's a moral judgement.....I despair really I do.... :-/
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I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.
At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions.
Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!
I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements....... :( :( :( :(
Exactly Opti! :y :y :y :y
It's common sense really Lizzie.......for example......a 50 year old man buys some alcohol with his 17 year old daughter present...........however....the girl on the till thinks the man may offer the girl a little tipple ...so refuses to serve the man.......NONE OF THEIR FU*KING BUSINESS...... >:( >:( >:( >:(
Delightful way of putting it. Humm how about their job for starters? Think thats their business? Yes it is. ::)
Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is..... :( :( :(
I don't think that enters into the thought nowadays. All services are being swallowed up by large groups who are purely concerned with how much they can take without giving a thought to customer satisfaction. Tesco's are open 24 hr in Batley, net result they get lots of business so they don't really have to bother about pleasing customers. They put up a good face of controlling underage drinking and knife sales, which pleases the powers that be, esp when they are after planning permission.
And my run in with the Halfords service station, their prices are amongst the most expensive, it is cheaper to go to a main agent like Jn600, but people don't know this so they prosper. Look at the Wilco service station and Coleman's, the small but competant garage. Coleman's wanted £150 to change the alternator. Wilco wanted £269. Last time I used Wilco for a new exhaust the fitter didn't replace the worn exhaust hangers and it fell off after a couple of weeks. Yet people still go to the large service station on the main road.
People tend to go with large corporations 'cause they feel safe, not for quality of service.
Ken
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i was looking for video of a dog chasing his tail....
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlPb8vsvcoM[/media]
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Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+
But lets run with your issue with morals here.
When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.
Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?
You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?
You can't lock and full stop key broken? ::) - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.
Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.
Yes Tunnie, but why was that taken into account when the Law does not request it? The 23 year old in our case did have ID, and she was the purchaser. No, it is the supermarket coming up with their own rules and regulations outside of the law!
Before you answer read this Trading Standards definition on knife sales:
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/images/sfy17_tcm9-8333.pdf
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Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is..... :( :( :(
Sod 'insulting' the customer, if its your job on the line ;)
But if your happy to loose your income, but can leave with a clear head knowing you sold that Knife. Good on you! :-?
You didn't answer my question ........so I'll ask it again.......The woman in question had I.D to prove she was over The age of 18..(23)......and yet they still would not serve her .....WHY NOT?....simple question really
Because person she was with could not produce ID.
End of the day, supermarket set the rules. (correctly in my view) Your sat there earning £5/h, would you risk of your job?
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But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age. The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID. Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious :( :(
The boyfriend, who no doubt looks well over 18, should have been an irrelevant factor :P :P
I completely agree. Common sense and judgement may not be dead and buried in this country, but they are certainly on life support. This "rules is rules" attitude is killing what this country used to be about. :y
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Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+
But lets run with your issue with morals here.
When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.
Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?
You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?
You can't lock and full stop key broken? ::) - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.
Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.
Yes Tunnie, but why was that taken into account when the Law does not request it?
Before you answer read this Trading Standards definition on knife sales:
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/images/sfy17_tcm9-8333.pdf
;) ;)
Maybe it was a clamp down, Knife crime in the area? Who knows. Its very clear the checkout bod was given rules, she/him stuck to them. Good for her/him. :y
So someone could not buy a knife? So what, how about lady in question left, came back, went to a different checkout alone and bought it? Checkout person would not be breaking their new rule, everyone is happy :)
I'll just wait for your next post of when some 16 kid gets stabbed, saying what a tragedy. Would not surprise me if you starting going on about banning knife sales ::)
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Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+
But lets run with your issue with morals here.
When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.
Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?
You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?
You can't lock and full stop key broken? ::) - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.
Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.
Yes Tunnie, but why was that taken into account when the Law does not request it?
Before you answer read this Trading Standards definition on knife sales:
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/images/sfy17_tcm9-8333.pdf
;) ;)
Spot on Lizzie.......The law simply states that the customers must be 18 YEARS OR OVER........It does not say look who they are with ....and if you think they look "like they are up to no good" then don't serve them.....Sainsbury's/Tesco policy is not law...
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Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is..... :( :( :(
Sod 'insulting' the customer, if its your job on the line ;)
But if your happy to loose your income, but can leave with a clear head knowing you sold that Knife. Good on you! :-?
You didn't answer my question ........so I'll ask it again.......The woman in question had I.D to prove she was over The age of 18..(23)......and yet they still would not serve her .....WHY NOT?....simple question really
Because person she was with could not produce ID.
End of the day, supermarket set the rules. (correctly in my view) Your sat there earning £5/h, would you risk of your job?
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she should get the sack for not doing her job and making a sale.
many a time the kids want a 18+ game from hmv or what ever. purchase is always made to an adult even thou junior is standing there.
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Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT... >:( >:( >:(
Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+
But lets run with your issue with morals here.
When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.
Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?
You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?
You can't lock and full stop key broken? ::) - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.
Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.
Yes Tunnie, but why was that taken into account when the Law does not request it?
Before you answer read this Trading Standards definition on knife sales:
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/images/sfy17_tcm9-8333.pdf
;) ;)
Maybe it was a clamp down, Knife crime in the area? Who knows. Its very clear the checkout bod was given rules, she/him stuck to them. Good for her/him. :y
So someone could not buy a knife? So what, how about lady in question left, came back, went to a different checkout alone and bought it? Checkout person would not be breaking their new rule, everyone is happy :)
I'll just wait for your next post of when some 16 kid gets stabbed, saying what a tragedy. Would not surprise me if you starting going on about banning knife sales ::)
If a kid wants to knife someone all he has to do is go to his mums kitchen draw....
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You don't have to be 18 to buy guns in Liverpool. Hand over the wodge and it's yours. They also have a rather convenient hire service. :y
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This thread just reminded me - I had to show ID in Tescos at Chritmas to be able to buy a box of Christmas crackers, because they contain explosive. Im 51 FFS ! the world has gone stark staring mad. :o ::) >:(
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Please, 'Oh please' somebody challenge me about my age.... ;D ;D
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haha its awful to think i get asked for id because they think im gonna knife someone as opposed to because i look underage and will probably accidentally stab myself ;D ;D ;D
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Please, 'Oh please' somebody challenge me about my age.... ;D ;D
I complained, some months ago now, that they did not challenge my age, after the alarm went for whisky, the lady at the checkout just looked at me and smiled.... :D :D :D
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This thread just reminded me - I had to show ID in Tescos at Chritmas to be able to buy a box of Christmas crackers, because they contain explosive. Im 51 FFS ! the world has gone stark staring mad. :o ::) >:(
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPWVHJxI6KU[/media]
just as well..
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Please, 'Oh please' somebody challenge me about my age.... ;D ;D
I complained, some months ago now, that they did not challenge my age, after the alarm went for whisky, the lady at the checkout just looked at me and smiled.... :D :D :D
I asked some old dear in her 90's once for ID for a giggle, as she was buying Whiskey. She said it made her day! ;D
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Here are some points.
The law says 18 for a lot of things and does not mention other people.
Supermarkets do not set the law - if in doubt challenge them.
A river will always find a way to the sea.
If you can't buy you get elsewhere.
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... thats right. bargain booze where they dont care ;D ;D ;D
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Heath and safety has gone mad. I remember a few years ago, last day at school, chemistry class, being asked what we wanted to do. I said I wanted to make Nitrogen Triiodide.
And we did. :D
Ken
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Heath and safety has gone mad. I remember a few years ago, last day at school, chemistry class, being asked what we wanted to do. I said I wanted to make Nitrogen Triiodide.
And we did. :D
Ken
Did you have fun?.......... ;D ;D ;D
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Can I just point out that it is not ilegal for an under 18 to consume alcohol, only to buy it, so where does that leave us with this
argument discussion, I know it started with knives... :)
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Heath and safety has gone mad. I remember a few years ago, last day at school, chemistry class, being asked what we wanted to do. I said I wanted to make Nitrogen Triiodide.
And we did. :D
Ken
Did you have fun?.......... ;D ;D ;D
Oh Yes, :y
And it worked. ;)
Ken
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Heath and safety has gone mad. I remember a few years ago, last day at school, chemistry class, being asked what we wanted to do. I said I wanted to make Nitrogen Triiodide.
And we did. :D
Ken
Did you have fun?.......... ;D ;D ;D
Oh Yes, :y
And it worked. ;)
Ken
:y
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i can understand if a lad had id to show hes 18 and was stood at checkout with alco pops and cider and 3 mates all looking young stood with him you would think hes buying this for them but at the end of the day he is 18 and therefore legal to buy,a woman of 23 with id wants a kitchen knife to go with the rest of the kitchen goods shes bought and is refused because her chap isnt carrying id is lunacy,we have our shopping delivered and have used asda for years but we had a fallout and now use tesco...stupid rules have cost asda all our shopping
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i can understand if a lad had id to show hes 18 and was stood at checkout with alco pops and cider and 3 mates all looking young stood with him you would think hes buying this for them but at the end of the day he is 18 and therefore legal to buy,a woman of 23 with id wants a kitchen knife to go with the rest of the kitchen goods shes bought and is refused because her chap isnt carrying id is lunacy,we have our shopping delivered and have used asda for years but we had a fallout and now use tesco...stupid rules have cost asda all our shopping
Yes.....it's lunacy gone mad even.... :y
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rrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.
I actually did this in the Sainsbury's at the "White Rose" Centre in Leeds, just before Xmas.
Unloaded TWO! trolleys of christmas shopping, including 1 (ONE!) bottle of Old Peculier.
I was asked for ID cos I had my 16 year old daughter with me, "and it might be for her".
The 7 people behind me in the queue must have been very upset when I walked off, leaving the checkout full.
I took my trolleys with me, cos they had my quid in...
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Supermarkets can set their own rules for selling things, as long as they themselves follow the law. In effect they are inviting you into their premises to buy their goods, under their rules. Of course, if this is disagreeable to the customer, they have numerous other places they can go to buy their shopping, so the rules are not so ridiculous as to drive customers away.
Challenge 25 is a rule that most supermarkets these days follow. It is designed to provide a buffer zone between the legal age, 18, and the huge differences in apparent age of customers, so that a checkout server can be challenged in the event of a deliberate serving of a minor. You'd be surprised how difficult this is at times.
You can get round this if you fall into the uncertain zone by carrying ID, what's the problem?
I do however think that some people can be over-zealous with the rules, and asking a 50-year-old man is just ridiculous. I also think that refusing a sale when someone is with an under-age person is making a judgement too far
But then, as far as I know, you can be prosecuted for selling age-related products to someone if you have a reason to think that they will give it to a minor, I think a local shop got done for this the other day, but I might be mistaken :P
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There is also the little matter that you could sue the supermarket for libel (not slander) by accusing you of
commiting an imprisonable [1] offence in public.
All you need is someone else in the queue to have heard the checkout girl - and she's published it.
[1] supplying knife to under 18 is £5,000 fine and up to six months prison
http://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/index/business/trad-standards/age-related-sale.htm