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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Jimbob on 12 October 2010, 14:08:19
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The New Fibre to the Cabinet service...
Anyone on it yet?
My exchange is meant to be done by the end of the year, and it sounds very tempting
£25 for unlimited (with FUP) up to 40meg!
www.bt.com/infinity
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I regularly get flyers detaillnig BT and Talk Talk offers which get sent back with big black marker "NOT UNTIL I GET MORE THAN 1MB"
Maybe they will get the message one day, I mean my COD scores are suffering as a result ::)
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It'll be interesting to see what the service is like once it gets some uptake; if it's more reliable than Virgin with an equally flexible FUP (ISTR the 50Mb service with Virgin has no FUP at all, but I could be wrong) then I'd jump ship.
Although 6MB/s off-peak is quite nice, Virgin tends to drop off badly in my area at peak times to <1Mbit, which is a pretty large 50-fold drop!
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I regularly get flyers detaillnig BT and Talk Talk offers which get sent back with big black marker "NOT UNTIL I GET MORE THAN 1MB"
Maybe they will get the message one day, I mean my COD scores are suffering as a result ::)
Problem not post controller ::)
My record is 34:1 kill ratio on COD MW2 :P
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The New Fibre to the Cabinet service...
Anyone on it yet?
My exchange is meant to be done by the end of the year, and it sounds very tempting
£25 for unlimited (with FUP) up to 40meg!
www.bt.com/infinity
Will be as of tomorrow - so if I don't post for the foreseeable future you can be assured that things have gone teats up.
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The New Fibre to the Cabinet service...
Anyone on it yet?
My exchange is meant to be done by the end of the year, and it sounds very tempting
£25 for unlimited (with FUP) up to 40meg!
www.bt.com/infinity
Will be as of tomorrow - so if I don't post for the foreseeable future you can be assured that things have gone teats up.
look forward to the reports :y
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I have been offered the service by BT over the phone, but I pay enough to BT for "Total Broadband" Option 3 already, and I begrudge paying them anymore for a service they should already provide to me!! ::) ::)
I told them that, and in my opinion they are becoming more like Sky and Virgin by the day. Provide a package, then hammer you with any "extras". Damn cheek if you ask me!! >:( >:(
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I have been offered the service by BT over the phone, but I pay enough to BT for "Total Broadband" Option 3 already, and I begrudge paying them anymore for a service they should already provide to me!! ::) ::)
I told them that, and in my opinion they are becoming more like Sky and Virgin by the day. Provide a package, then hammer you with any "extras". Damn cheek if you ask me!! >:( >:(
isnt only about £3 a month more than that package?
for the extra speed (dunno what you get, or how you use it) cuold be well worth it.
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Have seen some vans installing fibre stuff both around home and work.
Since we moved offices a couple of weeks back I reckon a bit of damp string would have a better SNR that the sh1te line BT have given us. Down to 448Kbps downlink at the moment, 2km from the exchange. :(
I reckon they should concentrate on getting copper right first. [smiley=evil.gif]
Kevin
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Have seen some vans installing fibre stuff both around home and work.
Since we moved offices a couple of weeks back I reckon a bit of damp string would have a better SNR that the sh1te line BT have given us. Down to 448Kbps downlink at the moment, 2km from the exchange. :(
I reckon they should concentrate on getting copper right first. [smiley=evil.gif]
Kevin
Luxury. I live in a third world country. Broadband via 3G at best 1.6meg at worst better to force connection by dial up. All for the equivalent of £39 a month. ;D ;D ;D
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Have seen some vans installing fibre stuff both around home and work.
Since we moved offices a couple of weeks back I reckon a bit of damp string would have a better SNR that the sh1te line BT have given us. Down to 448Kbps downlink at the moment, 2km from the exchange. :(
I reckon they should concentrate on getting copper right first. [smiley=evil.gif]
And I used to think it was bad in Slough - 2Km from the exchange, nearly 7Km of wire and a ropey 2Mbit connection (that is once they finally removed the distance restrictions; I was stuck on 'HomeHighway' at 64Kbit for years)
I suppose on that basis I should be grateful I can get Virgin where I am now - then again, that was part of the criteria I used for choosing a house ;D ;D ;D the other criteria was space for a double garage..
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i havent pay for braordband for he last 7years
had a 150meg conection at one point but i proberly souldent say too much :-X
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Have seen some vans installing fibre stuff both around home and work.
Since we moved offices a couple of weeks back I reckon a bit of damp string would have a better SNR that the sh1te line BT have given us. Down to 448Kbps downlink at the moment, 2km from the exchange. :(
I reckon they should concentrate on getting copper right first. [smiley=evil.gif]
Kevin
Luxury. I live in a third world country. Broadband via 3G at best 1.6meg at worst better to force connection by dial up. All for the equivalent of £39 a month. ;D ;D ;D
To mitigate that V, you do have rather nice weather.
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I have been offered the service by BT over the phone, but I pay enough to BT for "Total Broadband" Option 3 already, and I begrudge paying them anymore for a service they should already provide to me!! ::) ::)
I told them that, and in my opinion they are becoming more like Sky and Virgin by the day. Provide a package, then hammer you with any "extras". Damn cheek if you ask me!! >:( >:(
isnt only about £3 a month more than that package?
for the extra speed (dunno what you get, or how you use it) cuold be well worth it.
You are probably right James, but I find the speed I have now is more than adequate for my needs. ;) ;)
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I regularly get flyers detaillnig BT and Talk Talk offers which get sent back with big black marker "NOT UNTIL I GET MORE THAN 1MB"
Maybe they will get the message one day, I mean my COD scores are suffering as a result ::)
I missed 2 kills and got killed twice last night on one match due to slow broadband :( :( , this is on UC2
I really need this high speed broadband
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To be honest at times ISDN FELT faster than Broadband.
This is due to faster ping responce
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Quite an interseting site that lets you see actual speeds attained by individual customers of various suppliers. Type in a postcode and see what speeds folk are really getting near you:
http://www.broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk/broadband_speed_in_my_area.aspx
It is one of those speed check sites but, if you wish, you can give them your postcode and make your results visible on the map.
Seems pretty clear that most of the copper based suppliers fall woefully short of their claimed "up to" speed, and you can see which ones are best and worst.
Love 'em or loathe 'em, Virgin generally seem to give pretty close to their claimed speeds (when they are actually working at all ;) ).
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I know a priviledged individual that has a trial Infinity in his office, but the full blown, FTTP one, 100Mb.
I would have to say it is quite impressive....
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I know a priviledged individual that has a trial Infinity in his office, but the full blown, FTTP one, 100Mb.
I would have to say it is quite impressive....
Is that you TB?! :D :D :D :D :D :D
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I know a priviledged individual that has a trial Infinity in his office, but the full blown, FTTP one, 100Mb.
I would have to say it is quite impressive....
Is that you TB?! :D :D :D :D :D :D
If only :(
My only broadband in the office is a normal 8Mb line (though it does sync at 8Mb :D). Obviously have the normal work network as well.
Nope, this is a very good friend of mine, who has always assisted in getting my 2 broadband lines here to be as good as they can be... ::)
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The New Fibre to the Cabinet service...
Anyone on it yet?
My exchange is meant to be done by the end of the year, and it sounds very tempting
£25 for unlimited (with FUP) up to 40meg!
www.bt.com/infinity
Have you used BT's Infinity service checker?
I just did, and it claimed for my address, max of 17 megs download.....available 31st Dec 2010....im suppose to be getting 8megs now .... :-/
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What good is a 100mph slip road when the motorway is only doing 40mph
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or a 100mph motorway but its jam packed with cars... its inevitable that this new service will decay like adsl and dial up. BT cant get you to infinity never mind beyond....
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or a 100mph motorway but its jam packed with cars... its inevitable that this new service will decay like adsl and dial up. BT cant get you to infinity never mind beyond....
The power of the ad man. Everything that is new and exciting has to become old and boring and not up to the job very quickly, else they wont be able to sell you the next new and exciting thing.
Cars, internet, even rather washing powder.
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The New Fibre to the Cabinet service...
Anyone on it yet?
My exchange is meant to be done by the end of the year, and it sounds very tempting
£25 for unlimited (with FUP) up to 40meg!
www.bt.com/infinity
Will be as of tomorrow - so if I don't post for the foreseeable future you can be assured that things have gone teats up.
look forward to the reports :y
Installation took 55 minutes from initial service cut to being on-line again.
Max speed with Virgin up to now was around 1.4 download .34 upload (according to those speed-check sites) sometimes slower but mostly in that region.
Current speed, according to those same sites over the last 10 tests, has averaged out at 35.0 down and 6 up (approx)
I've no doubt that these figures will vary and I've yet to see what they're like at peak times but I suspect that the new service will be quite a bit faster than the previous one.
In all it seems to have been a worthwhile move - so far - only time will tell. Even though I've taken the U/L service with calls I'm paying about £30 per year less than the previous set up with BT providing the telephone service and Virgin the broadband.
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6Mbit up? Now that is nice. Very nice.
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I recently signed up for BT infinity. I live in Manchester and the speeds are 21 mbps download and 1.4 mbps upload (over a wireless connection).
If I plug in the ethernet cable I get 36 mbps download and 1.6 upload. The speeds are limited to 40mbps and 2mbps according to the deal I took out.
So its faster and cheaper than my last deal with BT. :y
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or a 100mph motorway but its jam packed with cars... its inevitable that this new service will decay like adsl and dial up. BT cant get you to infinity never mind beyond....
I have seen downloads on my mates, errr, 'special' line in his office, 10MBytes per sec :o. Impressive stuff.
Obviously as it ramps up, the ISPs will have to have download limits, traffic shaping, or both.
BT seemed to have learnt a lot from swallowing up Plusnet (king of the traffic shapers) about how NOT to do it ;D
In fairness, BT (as in the ISP) do tend to do the job properly, and fit in better with the way BT (the wholseale provider) designed the setup.
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BT seemed to have learnt a lot from swallowing up Plusnet (king of the traffic shapers)......
Aye, broadband from Yorkshire; you`ll get tha` speed tha`s bloody-well given. ;D
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BT seemed to have learnt a lot from swallowing up Plusnet (king of the traffic shapers)......
Aye, broadband from Yorkshire; you`ll get tha` speed tha`s bloody-well given. ;D
Aye. When I were a lad, we used to dream of fibre. We used to have to make do wit' 300 baud acoustic coupler on a BBC micro, and when our dad got home, he used to thrash us fer wasting his phone bill. ;D
Kevin
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;D ;D ;D Ahh, memories.. my first was a 1200/75 split rate modem - I missed acoustic couplers, thankfully ;D - but it was used with a BBC Master 'round a friends house..
I wasn't posh enough to have a BBC - I had a Spectrum +3 :)
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Well, the time is coming for my exchange to be enabled, so thought I'd resurrect this thread for any more up to date comments to sway my decision.
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i have just done a postcode av. speed check on my postcode and noticed that the surrounding area get between 3 and 10 meg yet in Military Town area the av is 0.5 meg :'(
(although mine in tweaked to 1.6 ::))
Discrimination? :-/
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I've been pleased with it since installation.
Consistent 36 -38 D/L and 6 – 8 U/L since day 1 (in a rural location)
I use the service every day at various times so I have a reasonably good snapshot of how it performs, there doesn’t seem to be any traffic shaping or questions over D/L limits so far.
I had occasion to contact BT recently when the speed dropped off to almost nil (a result of cat sabotage) a short easily understood conversation with a very pleasant young Indian woman and things were returned to normal very quickly.
In essence, I’m very pleased with the service which is not only faster than the virgin connection I had before but also cheaper. The staff I’ve spoken to have been easily understood, knowledgeable and pleasant.
So for BT Infinity it’s a [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif] [smiley=thumbup.gif]
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Got to wait till the end of the year in these parts... ...still, lucky we're getting it, considering we are relatively rural :-X
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Also, rumour on the street around these parts, we may be offered FTTP as well on this part of town :-X
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Here in Tunbridge Wells, we are expecting Infinity at any time soon. I work for BT and messing about with Broadband (although only on a customers premises) is my thing. We'll be getting Infinity for a token payment so I hope it's good!
People always get confused with their BB speed. Your connection speed is related to the length of your BT line and the quality of that line. As a rule of thumb, BB works up to about six or seven miles, over that you'll be lucky! This is where Infinity comes in as, with fibre to the cabinet it should, more or less, halve your copper pair of wires which should bring great improvements to those out in the wilds. Saying this of course, how long, if ever, BT will get around to this kind of technology on the more remote exchanges remains to be seen.
Connection speed is not your Speedtest speed. Your speedtest, or equivalent throughput will never equal your connection speed as it's the nature of the beast! Your connection speed is the important part of the equation as if your connection speed is poor, your throughput will always be bad. If you are on an 8Mb circuit and have an 8Mb connection speed, you'll be getting roughly 7Mb as the throughput at best. If you do a speedtest after about 4pm when all the kids come out of school, you won't get 7Mb! And if you do another in the evening it'll be even less.
Most ISP's aren't overly interested in your speedtest speed (they should, but they're not!) only in your connection speed. One of the biggest gripes I get from customers is this slowing down of the BB during the evening. You can explain this by imagining 100 customers using a 100Mb link to the Internet. During the day when only 20 odd are using the BB you'll get 5Mb each but in the evening when everyones at home you'll get 1Mb. This is the contention ratio and business BB is supposed to be better than ordinary home BB. Different ISP's have different contention ratios, BT's isn't very good!
Anyway, all good fun!!
Humpy
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Here in Tunbridge Wells, we are expecting Infinity at any time soon. I work for BT and messing about with Broadband (although only on a customers premises) is my thing. We'll be getting Infinity for a token payment so I hope it's good!
People always get confused with their BB speed. Your connection speed is related to the length of your BT line and the quality of that line. As a rule of thumb, BB works up to about six or seven miles, over that you'll be lucky! This is where Infinity comes in as, with fibre to the cabinet it should, more or less, halve your copper pair of wires which should bring great improvements to those out in the wilds. Saying this of course, how long, if ever, BT will get around to this kind of technology on the more remote exchanges remains to be seen.
Connection speed is not your Speedtest speed. Your speedtest, or equivalent throughput will never equal your connection speed as it's the nature of the beast! Your connection speed is the important part of the equation as if your connection speed is poor, your throughput will always be bad. If you are on an 8Mb circuit and have an 8Mb connection speed, you'll be getting roughly 7Mb as the throughput at best. If you do a speedtest after about 4pm when all the kids come out of school, you won't get 7Mb! And if you do another in the evening it'll be even less.
Most ISP's aren't overly interested in your speedtest speed (they should, but they're not!) only in your connection speed. One of the biggest gripes I get from customers is this slowing down of the BB during the evening. You can explain this by imagining 100 customers using a 100Mb link to the Internet. During the day when only 20 odd are using the BB you'll get 5Mb each but in the evening when everyones at home you'll get 1Mb. This is the contention ratio and business BB is supposed to be better than ordinary home BB. Different ISP's have different contention ratios, BT's isn't very good!
Anyway, all good fun!!
Humpy
Depends on the ISP. Some ISPs are concerned if your throughput doesn't match your sync speed (taking into account the ATM and IP overheads). These tend to be the premium, business orientated ISPs
Generally, the consumer ISPs use some degree of traffic shaping, so the 'anti social' broadband customers don't knackered the 'normal' users. Traffic shaping will obviously affect speeds - though most ISPs will allow full speed to the well known speed testers :-X
For day to day use, for the vast majority of users, you won't notice the difference between 4Mb and 40Mb connections, useless multiple users are streaming. P2P/NNTP will flaten any connection.
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for the vast majority of users, you won't notice the difference between 4Mb and 40Mb connections
Agreed. I installed BB for a customer miles away from the exchange the other day. She got BT to install it as her previous BB was pants. When I got it up and running it synched up at 512Kb!!! Tried it out and do you know what, it worked a treat and she was over the moon with it :) I scarpered quick :y
Humpy