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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Auto Addict on 01 February 2011, 07:26:59
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Straight stretch of road near where I live, pretty much a race track .
Houses one side of the road with parked cars, open grassed area on the other.
Little kid comes shooting out between two parked cars on a bike, heading for the grassed area.
Stopped 2" from him, frightened him to death, won't do that in a hurry again.
My speed was about 28/29 mph, majority of the cars using the road normally do 50+, would have wiped him off the face of the earth.
Shook me up.
ABS works though :y
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always a heart stopped when something like that happens, I did the same to a cyclist the other day (although knowing where I was drivign I should have predicted he was not gonna stop and pull straight out :-X ) a blast of the horn nearly got him a 2nd time as he took off out the saddle.
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Well done for being alert enough to get the anchors down.
Speed limits only reduce the statistical likelihood of KSIs, never cut them out, and parking may have been a more relevant factor in the situation you experienced.
Some on here may remember the Kwik-Fit Porsche tragedy a couple of weeks back? I was at a party last Saturday and met two of our friends who were first on scene. Fortunately they are both highly skilled nurses but they couldn't save the lad. They did meet the mother though!!! :( :(
Once again. Well done AA! :y
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I wasn't aware of that accident but just did a quick Google. I hope the driver gets the proverbial book hurled very hard at him.
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Even i NEVER drive like a cock in built up housing/shopping areas. Kids run amok & can appear from anywhere. Mums with younger kids & shopping are understandably distracted & teenagers can't see with thier hoodies & can't hear with thier ipods.
Even i condenm those who fly about when they can't see what might happen ahead. Guy.
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I have often stated that although I believe in no upper speed limits on motorways, on suburban roads the limit should be 20mph.
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I had a similar experience just after I passed my test, but unfortunately there was no chance to take avoiding action.
A young girl (who I knew) came down a hill which was shielded from the road by a tall hedge,on a bike with flat tyres and no brakes and shot straight into the side of my car.I can still hear the thud as her head hit the A pillar, and remember looking in the mirror as she lay in the road convulsing, and then becoming very still and apparently lifeless.
It seemed to take forever for the ambulance to turn up, as I stood helpless among her 3 screaming sisters, but it was probably about 10 minutes. She had a fractured skull, but recovered fully, and the police eventually absolved me from any blame. I didnt have the heart to ask her parents to pay for the damage to my car, but they had let her loose on a dangerous bicycle which had almost caused her death and put me off driving forever and I was a bit peeved that they didnt seem to recognise any responsibility for what happened, and initially their first reaction was to assume that I was to blame.
It was only the fact that their eldest daughter ( who was married to my best mate) said that she saw what happened from the window, and she was certain that I couldnt have done anything to avoid what happened, that prevented me carrying the can for it.
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I have often stated that although I believe in no upper speed limits on motorways, on suburban roads the limit should be 20mph.
I think some folks think it already is ;) Apparently not the Range Rover who wanted to mate with my rear bumper as I stuck to 30 in the 30s and 40 in the 40s..
Unfortunately down here seems to be populated with people who also believe NSL country roads are 20mph limits.
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I have often stated that although I believe in no upper speed limits on motorways, on suburban roads the limit should be 20mph.
I think some folks think it already is ;) Apparently not the Range Rover who wanted to mate with my rear bumper as I stuck to 30 in the 30s and 40 in the 40s..
Unfortunately down here seems to be populated with people who also believe NSL country roads are 20mph limits.
Oh no, not the dreaded Range Rover. Believe it or not I was driving at 20 mph at most past a line of very young children being chaperoned along by what appeared to be teachers through Wye, a village down here in Kent. Stuck right up my backside was A WOMEN driving a Range Rover (my arch enemy!!) getting very impatient at my slow progress! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Bloody stupid stuck up cow I shouted! >:( >:( >:( >:(
Makes my blood boil! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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I slow down or jam on. Very unsafe but very satisfying.
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funny you mention about temper on the road... i am cool and calm as a cucumber when behind the wheel. i generally never exceed speed limits and am courteous to other drivers...
put me in the freakin passanger seat though and im hitler!!!!!!!! :o :o :o
ironies of life people!
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I slow down or jam on. Very unsafe but very satisfying.
I was in the MR2 - if I did that there's a very real risk they'd end up quite literally driving straight over me!
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I had a huge wagon right up my backside today, so close I could see the engine through the grille mesh. I had just dropped my son at school, kids everywhere in a built-up area.
The wagon belonged to a firm called Hargreaves. I think they are based in Newcastle and deal in scrap metal, I think there is a place in Barnsley that smelts it. They are up and down the A61 in convoy all day and are obviously in a great hurry.
I can feel a plan coming on....... ::)
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Hargreaves are a Newcastle based firm but have a large depot on Immingham docks. They run green Scania bulk tippers & carry coal to power stations 24/7.
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thousands of years and billions of pounds have been spent making the modern car , from the earliest times we have strived to travel further and faster , guess we must have peaked back in the fifties and sixties because ever since then the bleeding hearts have been trying to slow us down again . In Darwins on the origin of species it suggests that for a species to continue in nature (us included) it must adapt to new dangers and enviroments in order to survive those that do not are doomed to die out and another more suitable species will fill the void that is left , if you are that stupid that you are going to step out into a space specifically designed for vehicles moving at speed (ANY SPEED) without first taking a quick look around to make sure you are safe then i'm sorry but you deserve to be removed from the gene pool , or at the very least rendered sterile so that you cant produce any more roadkill .
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ooooooh , i can't resist playing devils advocate here , has anyone here heard of survival of the fitest ? i .e if your too stupid to look up and down a highway , specifically designed for huge chunks of metal to go up and down at speed , then basically , its your own fault . you wouldn't run across a runway or a conveyor or a railway without looking ,,, so why do it on a road ??
You need to hope that I am the first to respond..... :-X
survival of the fittest We are talking of a child.. ::) the point being that at the speed limit this child was OK at the average speed she may have died....... ::) ::)
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thousands of years and billions of pounds have been spent making the modern car , from the earliest times we have strived to travel further and faster , guess we must have peaked back in the fifties and sixties because ever since then the bleeding hearts have been trying to slow us down again . In Darwins on the origin of species it suggests that for a species to continue in nature (us included) it must adapt to new dangers and enviroments in order to survive those that do not are doomed to die out and another more suitable species will fill the void that is left , if you are that stupid that you are going to step out into a space specifically designed for vehicles moving at speed (ANY SPEED) without first taking a quick look around to make sure you are safe then i'm sorry but you deserve to be removed from the gene pool , or at the very least rendered sterile so that you cant produce any more roadkill .
You have obviously deleted your previous post, which is visable as I quoted from it...... :-X
I personally can not be arsed at this time of night to get into a sociological argument but Darwin theory rather falls down when talking about a child running out on to the road.....
:-X
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to be honest i didnt delete my original post i thought it had either gone wrong or dissapeared, so i wrote another one , thats the reason for two posts , both cover the same basic point or maybe they don't i'm not t o sure but i guess what i was trying to get at is , if you stand in the road or run out in the road your gonna get killed or hurt weather you are a child or an adult the same principal applies , and i have two very sweet clever gorgeous daughters . i am sick of hearing about motorists never driving again because some stupid parent allowed an unsupervised or unsafe child into a road , if a member of my family had been killed by a motorist and the speed was triple the speed limit i wouldnt blame the driver , or the law , or the weather , i would blame the individual who was killed for being in the road , sure i would be upset , gutted probably , but it wouldnt change that one basic fact that had they been where they belonged i e on the pavement then they would still be alive regardless of speed .
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to be honest i didnt delete my original post i thought it had either gone wrong or dissapeared, so i wrote another one , thats the reason for two posts , both cover the same basic point or maybe they don't i'm not t o sure but i guess what i was trying to get at is , if you stand in the road or run out in the road your gonna get killed or hurt weather you are a child or an adult the same principal applies , and i have two very sweet clever gorgeous daughters . i am sick of hearing about motorists never driving again because some stupid parent allowed an unsupervised or unsafe child into a road , if a member of my family had been killed by a motorist and the speed was triple the speed limit i wouldnt blame the driver , or the law , or the weather , i would blame the individual who was killed for being in the road , sure i would be upset , gutted probably , but it wouldnt change that one basic fact that had they been where they belonged i e on the pavement then they would still be alive regardless of speed .
thought i'd also mention that i point blank refuse to brake when i see teenagers running across dual carriageways when the lights are quite obviously on green ( nowt like adding fuel to the fire lol)
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to be honest i didnt delete my original post i thought it had either gone wrong or dissapeared, so i wrote another one , thats the reason for two posts , both cover the same basic point or maybe they don't i'm not t o sure but i guess what i was trying to get at is , if you stand in the road or run out in the road your gonna get killed or hurt weather you are a child or an adult the same principal applies , and i have two very sweet clever gorgeous daughters . i am sick of hearing about motorists never driving again because some stupid parent allowed an unsupervised or unsafe child into a road , if a member of my family had been killed by a motorist and the speed was triple the speed limit i wouldnt blame the driver , or the law , or the weather , i would blame the individual who was killed for being in the road , sure i would be upset , gutted probably , but it wouldnt change that one basic fact that had they been where they belonged i e on the pavement then they would still be alive regardless of speed .
I can't help feeling you will change your mind if it happened.
You're in a dangerous place my friend.
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thought i'd also mention that i point blank refuse to brake when i see teenagers running across dual carriageways when the lights are quite obviously on green ( nowt like adding fuel to the fire lol)
I think that's a very unwise thing to say Skin. [smiley=thumbdown.gif]
My reading of the amended legislation in the Road Traffic Act would suggest that you may open yourself to prosecution for either careless driving or dangerous driving in the event of your being noted doing this.
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to be honest i didnt delete my original post i thought it had either gone wrong or dissapeared, so i wrote another one , thats the reason for two posts , both cover the same basic point or maybe they don't i'm not t o sure but i guess what i was trying to get at is , if you stand in the road or run out in the road your gonna get killed or hurt weather you are a child or an adult the same principal applies , and i have two very sweet clever gorgeous daughters . i am sick of hearing about motorists never driving again because some stupid parent allowed an unsupervised or unsafe child into a road , if a member of my family had been killed by a motorist and the speed was triple the speed limit i wouldnt blame the driver , or the law , or the weather , i would blame the individual who was killed for being in the road , sure i would be upset , gutted probably , but it wouldnt change that one basic fact that had they been where they belonged i e on the pavement then they would still be alive regardless of speed .
I can't help feeling you will change your mind if it happened.
You're in a dangerous place my friend.
i agree i am in a dangerous place , most definately , if it happened to me i honestly dont think it would change my opinion , my wife was knocked down about ten years ago, i got a phone call off a friend whilst i was driving to tell me he had just seen my wife bouncing of someones bonnet , i admit i was mortified at the thought of her being killed or injured and i drove like a maniac to the site of the accident ( beat the police and the ambulance incidently ) in a quirk of fate it was actually right behind me on its way when i got the call , luckily she had a big arse at the time and wasn't too badly injured , however , both me and the wife were , and still are, in full agreement , it was all totally her fault , she couldn;t apologise enough , when the police arrived and started giving the driver a hard time my wife had the decency to tell the traffic officer that if she hadnt been in the road and not paying attention then none of this would have happened , cars are for roads not pedestrians . i admit my point of view is a highly unpoplular one , it definately isn't meant to cause offence i just can't stand it when people try to justify speed limits , they are quite simply wrong , in my humble opinion . :-/
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thought i'd also mention that i point blank refuse to brake when i see teenagers running across dual carriageways when the lights are quite obviously on green ( nowt like adding fuel to the fire lol)
I think that's a very unwise thing to say Skin. [smiley=thumbdown.gif]
My reading of the amended legislation in the Road Traffic Act would suggest that you may open yourself to prosecution for either careless driving or dangerous driving in the event of your being noted doing this.
unwise yes , defendable in crown court , most definately . maybe afew more idiot kids on life support after playing chicken on a dual carriageway will cause a few more ammandments like , make the parents of said idiot child pay for the damage to the veicles and the cost of the medical care and all the other expenses involved in investigating an RTA ;D if only .............................................
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Hmmm... Now here's a can of worms! Firstly, well done AA for avoiding what could have been a tragic (at worst) and highly distressing (at best) situation.
Speed limits are there for a reason. I'm in agreement with Lizzie on this, Motorways/Major Trunk roads should have the National limits raised/abolished but towns need limits. Actually, again in agreement with LZ, perhaps 20mph isn't that rediculous :-/
Skinwiz, your attitude is actually quite frightening and surprising. I would have no issues in testifying against you if I were to witness some of the behaviour you describe on the road. :o >:(
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Is there anyone on the planet that does not know "The reason for speed limits in built up areas" or any other speed limit for that matter?
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Is there anyone on the planet that does not know "The reason for speed limits in built up areas" or any other speed limit for that matter?
skinwiz apparently :-X :-X ::) ::)
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my attitude comes from being hammered every time i get in the car , speed humps , speed cameras , traffic enforcement , roadside speed checks , i just wanna be able to get from a-b without hinderance , is that so wrong ? if i wanted to take all day i'd buy a bleedin horse or motability scooter .people can testify all they like but it wouldnt change the fact that there was one less moronic idiot being a danger to motorists in my town . incidently just before christmas a young girl was hit quite badly by a truck near where i live , it was in all the papers , everyone was up in arms , the family were campaigning to have the speed limit dropped in that area ( it happens to be the very dual carriageway that i love sooooooooo much ) the local council are thinking of making the road a 30 zone , this road is a major junction of two roads , one of them being a main artery into manchester and is actually a continuation of a motorway a627(M) within approx 200 yards there are 4 pedestrian crossings and they have even widened two of them so that more people can wait safely at peak times , this girl still chose to walk out infront of a bulk tipper , the driver is distraught and to the best of my knowledge will probably never drive again , this is a proffesional truck driver mind , he depends on his liscence for his living ,no one seems to have a thought for him , he got up that fine morning kissed his wife goodbye(probably) went on his merry way then without asking or wanting someone decided to ruin his life , so c'mon guys , you tell me who the victim is ? tell me whats fair about that ? i can guarantee that if that road was a 90 zone that kid would have looked , twice probably .
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Is there anyone on the planet that does not know "The reason for speed limits in built up areas" or any other speed limit for that matter?
skinwiz apparently :-X :-X ::) ::)
skinwiz knows the reason , he just doesn't agree with the reason , if you told me i had to do 30 because the planet would explode then i just might stick to them ;D ;D
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Hmmm... Now here's a can of worms! Firstly, well done AA for avoiding what could have been a tragic (at worst) and highly distressing (at best) situation.
Speed limits are there for a reason. I'm in agreement with Lizzie on this, Motorways/Major Trunk roads should have the National limits raised/abolished but towns need limits. Actually, again in agreement with LZ, perhaps 20mph isn't that rediculous :-/
Skinwiz, your attitude is actually quite frightening and surprising. I would have no issues in testifying against you if I were to witness some of the behaviour you describe on the road. :o >:([/quote
if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
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if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
.. if you think it's acceptable to do so in built up areas, 30MPH limits and around children I hope the right to drive your 3.0 V6 is denied you before you kill someone.
Kevin
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got some bad news for you kevin , i am one of the best drivers in greater manchester , not a brag but a noted fact , noted by some of THE most experienced drivers that her majestys government has choosen to train(and not through being chased before someone drops that in ) , both military and police , chances of me killing someone , very slim , chances of people who stay glued to the speedo killing someone ? you'd be surprised. this isn't opinion its fact , the only reason everyone thinks its only speeders that kill people is because they are the ones that make the headlines , along with drink drivers , no one ever read a headline saying miss marple ran someone over do they , because it isnt news . i have been driving my whole adult life and i have never ever hit anyone or been involved in an accident , or been the cause of an accident and i had probably done a lifetimes mileage by the time i was 25. if someone were to step out in front of me i wouldnt loose any sleep over their death , i'd be more arsed about loosing my car .
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got some bad news for you kevin , i am one of the best drivers in greater manchester
You could be Juan Fangio for all I know. Does that make my comment any less valid?
chances of me killing someone , very slim
Not sure how that stacks up with your claim to ignore "idiot kids" by the side of the road. I'm not going to make any claims about my driving experience. I would, however, have thought that you would have been aware of the need to spot all potential hazards ahead (regardless of their worthiness of a place in the gene poll) and adjust your speed in anticipation? A fundamental part of being a great driver, surely? :-/
the only reason everyone thinks its only speeders that kill people is because they are the ones that make the headlines
I agree that speed is only one important factor, and often emphasised over other factors less easy (and profitable) to Police. ;)
Kevin
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Hmmm... Now here's a can of worms! Firstly, well done AA for avoiding what could have been a tragic (at worst) and highly distressing (at best) situation.
Speed limits are there for a reason. I'm in agreement with Lizzie on this, Motorways/Major Trunk roads should have the National limits raised/abolished but towns need limits. Actually, again in agreement with LZ, perhaps 20mph isn't that rediculous :-/
Skinwiz, your attitude is actually quite frightening and surprising. I would have no issues in testifying against you if I were to witness some of the behaviour you describe on the road. :o >:([/quote
if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
as your running on 5 pots, hence the need for an injector that i would have sold you...& have now withdrawn the offer in your parts wanted ad.
you wont be going very fast will you.
oh, & your attitude stinks. :-X
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if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
;D ;D Many people have put this forward before. I have been obliged to carry a firearm throughout my police service but restrain myself from shooting people just because I have the means to do so readily to hand.
I think the reason for restraint on the public roads Skin is to ensure that any person using them - pedestrians, cyclists and of course drivers do so in a way that doesn't unnecessarily endanger others.
I would suggest that drivers using excess speed in the wrong circumstances are taking risks that needn't be taken. While you may be a competent driver many others are not and it's those people you have to watch out for - driving at speed often lessens the time taken to account for their erratic and uncoordinated behaviour.
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ADMIN WARNING
Please be aware that when arguing with idiots, they may try and drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience ;D ;D ;D ;D
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unwise yes , defendable in crown court , most definately . maybe afew more idiot kids on life support after playing chicken on a dual carriageway will cause a few more ammandments like , make the parents of said idiot child pay for the damage to the veicles and the cost of the medical care and all the other expenses involved in investigating an RTA ;D if only .............................................
Well it's a different take on the subject I have to say Skin and I suppose that many more people than you would imagine would agree with you, but why would you really want to end up arguing the case in a court of law in the first place - seems to me that it's an experience worth avoiding.
I can say from bitter experience that’s there’s a vast difference between being ambivalent when speaking theoretically of taking human life (in whatever circumstances, by accident, carelessness, design or as a requirement of duty) and the harsh reality of actually doing so.
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ADMIN WARNING
Please be aware that when arguing with idiots, they may try and drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'll have you know, I'm one of the best idiots in Hampshire... ;)
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Is there anyone on the planet that does not know "The reason for speed limits in built up areas" or any other speed limit for that matter?
<Lecture mode not on> ;D
I'm sure many people know the reason Chris it just seems that they don't feel the need to adhere to them - for some strange reason.
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I have often stated that although I believe in no upper speed limits on motorways, on suburban roads the limit should be 20mph.
Yes I think a case can be made for an additional 15 to 20 mph on the NSL on motorways and other suitable roads - providing it's enforced properly so that drivers don't take it as the new base line from which to drive their customary 20/30 mph in excess of the posted limits as many seem to do at the moment.
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if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
;D ;D Many people have put this forward before. I have been obliged to carry a firearm throughout my police service but restrain myself from shooting people just because I have the means to do so readily to hand.
I think the reason for restraint on the public roads Skin is to ensure that any person using them - pedestrians, cyclists and of course drivers do so in a way that doesn't unnecessarily endanger others.
I would suggest that drivers using excess speed in the wrong circumstances are taking risks that needn't be taken. While you may be a competent driver many others are not and it's those people you have to watch out for - driving at speed often lessens the time taken to account for their erratic and uncoordinated behaviour.
Bet you wish you could shoot it across an internet connection. But you'd probably miss, he'd be too fast for you. ;D
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if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
;D ;D Many people have put this forward before. I have been obliged to carry a firearm throughout my police service but restrain myself from shooting people just because I have the means to do so readily to hand.
I think the reason for restraint on the public roads Skin is to ensure that any person using them - pedestrians, cyclists and of course drivers do so in a way that doesn't unnecessarily endanger others.
I would suggest that drivers using excess speed in the wrong circumstances are taking risks that needn't be taken. While you may be a competent driver many others are not and it's those people you have to watch out for - driving at speed often lessens the time taken to account for their erratic and uncoordinated behaviour.
Bet you wish you could shoot it across an internet connection. But you'd probably miss, he'd be too fast for you. ;D
LMAO. ;D ;D
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Hmmm... Now here's a can of worms! Firstly, well done AA for avoiding what could have been a tragic (at worst) and highly distressing (at best) situation.
Speed limits are there for a reason. I'm in agreement with Lizzie on this, Motorways/Major Trunk roads should have the National limits raised/abolished but towns need limits. Actually, again in agreement with LZ, perhaps 20mph isn't that rediculous :-/
Skinwiz, your attitude is actually quite frightening and surprising. I would have no issues in testifying against you if I were to witness some of the behaviour you describe on the road. :o >:([/quote
if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
as your running on 5 pots, hence the need for an injector that i would have sold you...& have now withdrawn the offer in your parts wanted ad.
you wont be going very fast will you.
oh, & your attitude stinks. :-X
oh what is this i see before me , a full inlet manifold complete with 6 injectors , donated , for free , so erm , thanks mate but i'll be back on 6 soon driving free as a bird . and i agree , my attitude does stink ;D
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I have often stated that although I believe in no upper speed limits on motorways, on suburban roads the limit should be 20mph.
Yes I think a case can be made for an additional 15 to 20 mph on the NSL on motorways and other suitable roads - providing it's enforced properly so that drivers don't take it as the new base line from which to drive their customary 20/30 mph in excess of the posted limits as many seem to do at the moment.
i totaly understand where you are coming from on this factor , i cant say i would be speeding everywhere if the limits were more reasonable , i dont break the speed limit purely out of some wish to mow down pedestrians its not like that at all , i just dont agree with the current reasons for those limits , if you take the pedestrian factor out of the equation there is no reason that a 20 shouldnt be a 40 and so on
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got some bad news for you kevin , i am one of the best drivers in greater manchester
You could be Juan Fangio for all I know. Does that make my comment any less valid?
chances of me killing someone , very slim
Not sure how that stacks up with your claim to ignore "idiot kids" by the side of the road. I'm not going to make any claims about my driving experience. I would, however, have thought that you would have been aware of the need to spot all potential hazards ahead (regardless of their worthiness of a place in the gene poll) and adjust your speed in anticipation? A fundamental part of being a great driver, surely? :-/
the only reason everyone thinks its only speeders that kill people is because they are the ones that make the headlines
I agree that speed is only one important factor, and often emphasised over other factors less easy (and profitable) to Police. ;)
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wasnt intending to make your quote less valid , apologies if that was how it appeared , discussion is my general aim , not calling people idiots etc ;D i just dont mind playing the bad guy , helps me to see all sides of an argument , taking things to extremes is a big fault of mine .
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if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
Yes... And I do go fast! Faster than I should :-X :-X But on the open road, in areas where it is safer. Built up areas, schools etc are not appropriate areas. As I have said before, 30, 40 and 50mph limits are there for reason (normally a very good reason) but, in an area of national speed limit people should be able to drive to the conditions :y
And for the record, I never use the speedo as more than just a quick glance ;) I judge my speed on what's going on outside the car vehicle as I am sure you are equally capable of doing with your extensive driving experience ::) ::)
I agree with your comment that people should look more carefully when they cross the road but the fact of the matter is that they don't. As all 3 of my driving instructors (car, motorbike, HGV) and, for that matter my flying instructor, told me... You are in control of a lethal weapon, you should respect that weapon ;) :y
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if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
Yes... And I do go fast! Faster than I should :-X :-X But on the open road, in areas where it is safer. Built up areas, schools etc are not appropriate areas. As I have said before, 30, 40 and 50mph limits are there for reason (normally a very good reason) but, in an area of national speed limit people should be able to drive to the conditions :y
And for the record, I never use the speedo as more than just a quick glance ;) I judge my speed on what's going on outside the car vehicle as I am sure you are equally capable of doing with your extensive driving experience ::) ::)
I agree with your comment that people should look more carefully when they cross the road but the fact of the matter is that they don't. As all 3 of my driving instructors (car, motorbike, HGV) and, for that matter my flying instructor, told me... You are in control of a lethal weapon, you should respect that weapon ;) :y
thats very very true , but in fairness they tell you that on any vehicle or equipment course , and for good reason , my point is exactly that , you should be the one to decide what your safe speed should be , as a pilot sureley you appreciate the fact that once you have left the ground and achieved your altitude you are pretty much free to go as fast or as slow as you choose depending on what flightplans you have filed and airspace you are entering , the guys who iknow who go flying , and ride bikes for that fact do these things partly because it free's them of all these constraints , go slow , watch child , old people crossing etc .
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if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?
Yes... And I do go fast! Faster than I should :-X :-X But on the open road, in areas where it is safer. Built up areas, schools etc are not appropriate areas. As I have said before, 30, 40 and 50mph limits are there for reason (normally a very good reason) but, in an area of national speed limit people should be able to drive to the conditions :y
And for the record, I never use the speedo as more than just a quick glance ;) I judge my speed on what's going on outside the car vehicle as I am sure you are equally capable of doing with your extensive driving experience ::) ::)
I agree with your comment that people should look more carefully when they cross the road but the fact of the matter is that they don't. As all 3 of my driving instructors (car, motorbike, HGV) and, for that matter my flying instructor, told me... You are in control of a lethal weapon, you should respect that weapon ;) :y
thats very very true , but in fairness they tell you that on any vehicle or equipment course , and for good reason , my point is exactly that , you should be the one to decide what your safe speed should be , as a pilot sureley you appreciate the fact that once you have left the ground and achieved your altitude you are pretty much free to go as fast or as slow as you choose depending on what flightplans you have filed and airspace you are entering , the guys who iknow who go flying , and ride bikes for that fact do these things partly because it free's them of all these constraints , go slow , watch child , old people crossing etc .
Yes, exactly the point! Once you are away from other people ;) ;) And, incidentally, you still have to obey speed limits, rules and regulations in a plane too ;) ;)
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The only point I was trying to make is that if I had been exceeding the speed limit, I would have probably have killed the kid, how could I live with that, even if it was his fault?
I only hope he has learned a lesson, as I mentioned before, this particular road is used as a race track.
The residents have been partitioning for a speed camera for some time, I wish the powers that be would install one!
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The thing that bugs me is all the onus is now placed on the driver "Slow down speed kills" type adverts. Now, don't get me wrong, of course I'm not condonning running kids over but what ever happened to Tufty and the Green Cross Man? Are kids still taught such things in schools? It seems that the car and the motorist are made out to be the bad guy all the time, after all, I don't drive on the pavements! As has been said, why is it that some people try and cross busy roads just a few yards from pedestrian crossings? What are they, suicidal?? Every one's seen parents dragging their kids across the roads at most inappropriate places. I just feel as though education should be aimed at both sides not just the wicked car driver!
Humpy
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Yes, exactly the point! Once you are away from other people ;) ;) And, incidentally, you still have to obey speed limits, rules and regulations in a plane too ;) ;)
Very much so, and, above everything else, LOOK OUT! You might not have kids between parked cars to worry about, but anything you do come across will be moving fast, and will hit hard.
Kevin
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The thing that bugs me is all the onus is now placed on the driver "Slow down speed kills" type adverts. Now, don't get me wrong, of course I'm not condonning running kids over but what ever happened to Tufty and the Green Cross Man? Are kids still taught such things in schools? It seems that the car and the motorist are made out to be the bad guy all the time, after all, I don't drive on the pavements! As has been said, why is it that some people try and cross busy roads just a few yards from pedestrian crossings? What are they, suicidal?? Every one's seen parents dragging their kids across the roads at most inappropriate places. I just feel as though education should be aimed at both sides not just the wicked car driver!
Humpy
Ahh yes, halcyon days those! :y
These days the little ratbags just walk into the road without so much as a sideways glance, DARING you to get too close! It is like the ultimate game of 'Chicken' when passing a school at chucking out time! :o