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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Andy B on 02 February 2011, 22:36:21
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it seems that social services have even more lesson to learn ............ >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-12340093
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For Gods Sake! It is so depressing!! >:( :(
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For Gods Sake! It is so depressing!! >:( :(
and preventable it seems ......... again!
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this is going to sound like an excuse , which it isn't , there aren't any for this type of failure of the system , but , (always a but ) S.S just simply don't have the budget etc to stop these things from happening all the time , they are absolutely swamped by all the things they are supposed to be responsible for , i've seen just some of the things they are obliged to do under law for various sections of the community and even i ,with my negative attitude and my 'don't make excuses just get it done ' approach to most things regarding social care etc have to say that there is no way on this earth with the current resources available to them that they can be half as effective as they themselves would like to be .
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i can't help wondering why family or friends didn't stop this either , or the police , wait , hang on , i know why the police didnt intervene so scrap that question :-/
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this is going to sound like an excuse , which it isn't , there aren't any for this type of failure of the system , but , (always a but ) S.S just simply don't have the budget etc to stop these things from happening all the time , they are absolutely swamped by all the things they are supposed to be responsible for , i've seen just some of the things they are obliged to do under law for various sections of the community and even i ,with my negative attitude and my 'don't make excuses just get it done ' approach to most things regarding social care etc have to say that there is no way on this earth with the current resources available to them that they can be half as effective as they themselves would like to be .
Sorry .. but the only way your argument would stand would be if there had been no visits because of a lack of resources....
There were plenty of resources ..... because 17 yes [size=16]17[/size] visits were made by SS ... who then did nothing. Sorry , I'm wrong .. they did do something .. they believed a drunk..... probably because that was the "easy option" in their little tick boxes.
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For Gods Sake! It is so depressing!! >:( :(
and preventable it seems ......... again!
It would seem so, going on what has been reported on the news today.... :(
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S.S just simply don't have the budget etc to stop these things from happening all the time .....
true, but there's some irony there in that SS (& education) consume the vast majority of your council tax. :-/
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..... , i know why the police didnt intervene so scrap that question :-/
Did they assume that SS would take over? :-/
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..... , i know why the police didnt intervene so scrap that question :-/
Did they assume that SS would take over? :-/
The Police have the power to remove a child, Social Workers do not, without parental agreement or a Court Order....... :-X
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no , in manchester the police leave something to be desired , if its too much trouble it won't get done , i kid you not , they can field an army of officers for a footy match but if you report a crime that looks too difficult to solve they wont even attempt it . sorry if that sounds negative but i genuinely have 2 letters somewhere from GMP thanking me for informing them of seperate crimes , unbelievably they said they had exhuasted all lines of enquiry and if found out any more information to give them a call . i had a friend look into both cases and nothing had been done , not even visiting the scenes of either crime , which is a shame because had they bothered to follow it up there is a good chance they could have stopped a young girl being sexually assaulted , they caught the guy thankfully , but only after a member of the public realised who he was and what he was upto and followed him till a pcso turned up .
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Poor little mite.
I thought it was going to say she had been jailed for 27 YEARS, not months. Still wouldn't of made it right though. >:( >:(
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this is going to sound like an excuse , which it isn't , there aren't any for this type of failure of the system , but , (always a but ) S.S just simply don't have the budget etc to stop these things from happening all the time , they are absolutely swamped by all the things they are supposed to be responsible for , i've seen just some of the things they are obliged to do under law for various sections of the community and even i ,with my negative attitude and my 'don't make excuses just get it done ' approach to most things regarding social care etc have to say that there is no way on this earth with the current resources available to them that they can be half as effective as they themselves would like to be .
Sorry .. but the only way your argument would stand would be if there had been no visits because of a lack of resources....
There were plenty of resources ..... because 17 yes [size=16]17[/size] visits were made by SS ... who then did nothing. Sorry , I'm wrong .. they did do something .. they believed a drunk..... probably because that was the "easy option" in their little tick boxes.
E, you work in the courts, please tell us all how long it takes the Local Authority to get a 'Care Order' on a child? an average case would do.... An Emergency Protection Order takes 3 days, but the removal of a child, without parental consent, can be instant if removed by the POLICE and NOT social workers who do not have the authority, and then it is the Social Workers who have to do all the paper work for the Court to get the Emergency Protection Order... :-X
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this is going to sound like an excuse , which it isn't , there aren't any for this type of failure of the system , but , (always a but ) S.S just simply don't have the budget etc to stop these things from happening all the time , they are absolutely swamped by all the things they are supposed to be responsible for , i've seen just some of the things they are obliged to do under law for various sections of the community and even i ,with my negative attitude and my 'don't make excuses just get it done ' approach to most things regarding social care etc have to say that there is no way on this earth with the current resources available to them that they can be half as effective as they themselves would like to be .
Sorry .. but the only way your argument would stand would be if there had been no visits because of a lack of resources....
There were plenty of resources ..... because 17 yes [size=16]17[/size] visits were made by SS ... who then did nothing. Sorry , I'm wrong .. they did do something .. they believed a drunk..... probably because that was the "easy option" in their little tick boxes.
i'm not disagreeing with you , they failed and that isn't acceptable at all , but i fear its the same syndrome that creeps into a lot of what the local authority should do , followed by what they have the funds to do and the difference is usually enourmous , i'm prepared to bet that there are more 'at risk' people in our society than they could possibly re-home , bearing in mind that its not just children , it is anyone and everyone that lives independantly within a local authority so your looking at old people , disabled people , their carers they all have certain rights under law , at the risk of being absolutely slated for the second time in 2 days , who do you leave out ? this particular argument is huge do you prioritise the old ? the young ? the disabled ? who gets the short straw ???
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this is going to sound like an excuse , which it isn't , there aren't any for this type of failure of the system , but , (always a but ) S.S just simply don't have the budget etc to stop these things from happening all the time , they are absolutely swamped by all the things they are supposed to be responsible for , i've seen just some of the things they are obliged to do under law for various sections of the community and even i ,with my negative attitude and my 'don't make excuses just get it done ' approach to most things regarding social care etc have to say that there is no way on this earth with the current resources available to them that they can be half as effective as they themselves would like to be .
Sorry .. but the only way your argument would stand would be if there had been no visits because of a lack of resources....
There were plenty of resources ..... because 17 yes [size=16]17[/size] visits were made by SS ... who then did nothing. Sorry , I'm wrong .. they did do something .. they believed a drunk..... probably because that was the "easy option" in their little tick boxes.
E, you work in the courts, please tell us all how long it takes the Local Authority to get a 'Care Order' on a child? an average case would do.... An Emergency Protection Order takes 3 days, but the removal of a child, without parental consent, can be instant if removed by the POLICE and NOT social workers who do not have the authority, and then it is the Social Workers who have to do all the paper work for the Court to get the Emergency Protection Order... :-X
i think you could be in for a surprise here vamps this is minefield territory when it comes to that sort of thing , or so i believe , i could be wrong , i often am but if memory serves then it takes quite a few agencies working together and choosing the right reasons etc . complicated , very complicated . and probably half the problem too , i think you really have to make a watertight legal argument before someone even thinks about signing the order , i could be confusing it with restriction of liberty issues and power of attorney etc as we were hit with lots of info in a very short time lol
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this is going to sound like an excuse , which it isn't , there aren't any for this type of failure of the system , but , (always a but ) S.S just simply don't have the budget etc to stop these things from happening all the time , they are absolutely swamped by all the things they are supposed to be responsible for , i've seen just some of the things they are obliged to do under law for various sections of the community and even i ,with my negative attitude and my 'don't make excuses just get it done ' approach to most things regarding social care etc have to say that there is no way on this earth with the current resources available to them that they can be half as effective as they themselves would like to be .
Sorry .. but the only way your argument would stand would be if there had been no visits because of a lack of resources....
There were plenty of resources ..... because 17 yes [size=16]17[/size] visits were made by SS ... who then did nothing. Sorry , I'm wrong .. they did do something .. they believed a drunk..... probably because that was the "easy option" in their little tick boxes.[/quote
i can only assume that like most alcoholics the mother was a very very good liar in order to fool the social workers , i don't think it was as obvious as it is being made out , we dont play that way in manchester , if you see someone abusing a child you drop em on the spot , or at least you make your feelings known , wythenshaw doesn't have the best reputation but the people dont generally allow that sort of thing to pass by ,
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Cant bear to read stuff like this, I am still haunted by the image on poor Peter Connolly from a couple of years back.
Anyone that can hurt a child deserves the death penalty, nothing less.
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Cant bear to read stuff like this, I am still haunted by the image on poor Peter Connolly from a couple of years back.
Anyone that can hurt a child deserves the death penalty, nothing less.
Agree totally. Being a new parent it made me sick reading that. More so the fact she got a little over 2 years in prison?
The phrase 'getting away with murder' seems to be a common one in the judicial system.
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:'( :'( :'(
I'm still trying to get my head around this .........
When you see how our youngest two grandsons are dearly cherished: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283352341
I daren't even speak to Mrs Sethsmate about this poor little fella's fate.
:'( :'( :'(
.... and we're supposed to be part of a civilised society >:( >:( >:(