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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tunnie on 09 February 2011, 14:09:21
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466
Someone with sense at the top has finally accepted Symbian is shyte and needs to be dropped.
I don't think they have time to develop their own new O/S.
I think Microsoft should step in when they are on the brink, snap them up and have the their own manufacturing setup. Although that might annoy HTC!
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Symbian is shyte
Try using on windows mobile phones.
I've got both symbian an wm6.1 and symbian is bearable but win6.1 makes me want to break the phone every now and then
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not suprised, few years ago I wouldn't consider anything but nokia....now I considered everything EXCEPT nokia
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Symbian is shyte
Try using on windows mobile phones.
I've got both symbian an wm6.1 and symbian is bearable but win6.1 makes me want to break the phone every now and then
Try some custom ROMs, standard ones are kak. On my old TyTnII Black Satin worked well:
http://ppc-resource.blogspot.com/2007/10/wm6-black-satin.html
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not suprised, few years ago I wouldn't consider anything but nokia....now I considered everything EXCEPT nokia
LOL, same here.
I went right the way through the Nokia's for years right up to an X6, the browser on that was shocking.
I never considered a Blackberry before but I now have a Torch and its the best phone I have ever used.
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God knows why you think they are "on the brink" their share price has risen 2% so far today. ::)
Just over $43 billion market capitalisation - on the brink ? :o ;D
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God knows why you think they are "on the brink" their share price has risen 2% so far today. ::)
Just over $43 billion market capitalisation - on the brink ? :o ;D
I did say when they are on the brink, which will happen unless drastic measures are taken.
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The fundamentals dont suggest any reason why they should ever be on the brink in the foreseeable future. This announcement certainly wont cause it, if anything it has caused a positive reaction. ;)
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Reactions, yeah, that will build them a new platform ::)
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The point Im making Tunnie is - The serious players in the market, who will be buying/selling millions of Nokia shares daily, have studied all aspects of the company and at the present time, dont see any major problems with it. If they did the price would be tanking.Which is the scenario needed for it to reach the point of being - on the brink.
I would imagine a company of that size isnt going to stand or fall on the failure of one product. It could be that they are only now binning it because they know there is something better to replace it in the near future ?
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Nokia do far more than Mobile Phones Tunnie... It'll take much more than a crappy operating system to bring them down ;)
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True, some of their switches are real heavyweight stuff. A while back they were almost the default option for firewall platforms, sold them all day long no worries.
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Nokia do far more than Mobile Phones Tunnie... It'll take much more than a crappy operating system to bring them down ;)
Might bring it down enough for Microsoft to take it over, Mobile Manufacturing is something they need to stay in the game. Windows 7 looks like a good basis, if they ran their own hardware, puts them on more of level with Apple
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Nokia do far more than Mobile Phones Tunnie... It'll take much more than a crappy operating system to bring them down ;)
Might bring it down enough for Microsoft to take it over, Mobile Manufacturing is something they need to stay in the game. Windows 7 looks like a good basis, if they ran their own hardware, puts them on more of level with Apple
Highly unlikely... Remember, it's only Symbian they're binning... Not all the handsets run it ;)
And they are looking at running Android/Windows on their handsets instead :y
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A bit of trawling shows that Nokia made ~€40,000m in sales in 2009, of which ~€27,600m were their mobile division, so it does (now) make up a significant proportion of their company income..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/nokia-grows-profits-and-smartphone-share-in-q4/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/sep/10/nokia-profits-falling-explanation
I can't see even Microsoft dropping the cash necessary to buy the whole concern, though. It would cost them what.. €50-60bn right now? Their share price would have to drop through the floor - and despite current result trends, that doesn't seem to be happening.
Contrast their share activity after this announcement with the share price of the company I work for after we announced our last quarter results (which were good, just not as good as the street expected despite us making our own guidance) - we lost 30% of our share price in 30 minutes!
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Hence my original comment of M/S snapping them up a few years down the line, its only going to be viable for them for mobile side of the business, manufacturing, contacts, relationships, engineering.
With custom roms i really did like WM6, if they sorted the hardware side of things, it could be real competition for Apple.
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Who's Symbian? :-? :-? :-?
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Who's Symbian? :-? :-? :-?
What, not, who. :) Its Nokias operating system is been using on its phones for years. I was ok-ish, but its totally out-classed now.
Two main versions S40 & S60, S40 was very basic cut down, S60, in its day was fairly powerful. I used a S60 powered Nokia N70 to run TomTom when in L.A :)
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Who's Symbian? :-? :-? :-?
I have a Nokia smartphone and I dont know either. :D ;D ;D
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agreed Tunnie, for my last purchase just for that reason I didnt buy nokia like many people..
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Who's Symbian? :-? :-? :-?
What, not, who. :) Its Nokias operating system is been using on its phones for years. I was ok-ish, but its totally out-classed now.
Two main versions S40 & S60, S40 was very basic cut down, S60, in its day was fairly powerful. I used a S60 powered Nokia N70 to run TomTom when in L.A :)
TomTom? You mean you can do more than phone calls with yours? :-? :-? :-?
;) ;) ;)
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I have a Nokia smartphone and I dont know either. :D ;D ;D
Mine's just a Nokia (pay-as-you-go) phone! ;) ;) ;)
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The phone may be smart, but Im not. ::) ;D ;D..........I also have PAYG as I hardly ever use it. Billy no mates me. :'( ;D ;D
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Nokia mobile handsets - Nokia have lacked direction for years, the last really good phone was the 6310.
At the high end of the market, where the profit is, they have nothing. They have lived on reputation, Sony style, for so long (I mean, only the most loyal Nokia fan would have bought the likes of N95 and N96, and I'm sure chrisgixer will add his 2p on n900), now they are a joke.
Symbian has always suffered from being a kernel, so too expensive for handset developers to develop for (Android needs to take heed of this as well!), thus they all have that same, very basic UI. Symbian, like Google, say the UI is down to handset maker - hopefully Google will take that flawed strategy and change it, crApple needs a serious competitor.
Cheaper Nokias may sell in the millions, but very low margin, so not really a big money spinner.
Nokia's mobile business includes infrastructure products, and Nokia makes good money from this.
Nokia are also quite big in networking. OK, some of their firewalls are pants IMHO, but they shift a fair few, and at 'enterprise' prices ;)
MS are in no position to buy Nokia, nor would it fit their strategy. Shame, as MS needs to lose HTC, who are bloody hopeless, and probably singlehandedly responsible for Win Mobile 6's demise. Poorly designed products, and very bad OS implementation (hence the massive market for (illegal) homebrew cooked roms). MS would be better to buy HTC than Nokia, or quite simply design/sell their own handset.
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Got a Nokia 5800 express with music - it was brillant value. :y
cost £0.00 :)
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I've got a nokia. It makes phone calls and sometimes even texts :y
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Thought you might have one of these. :-/.............. :D
http://www.betterlifehealthcare.com/products.php?catID=37&subID=774&gclid=CPWD14Dd-6YCFYMTfAodz3nPEw
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not suprised, few years ago I wouldn't consider anything but nokia....now I considered everything EXCEPT nokia
i am with you on that one...years ago they were the dogs do dars....but nowadays they are absolute pants :y
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I've got a nokia. It makes phone calls and sometimes even texts :y
Ah! You have the same phone as me! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Nokia mobile handsets - Nokia have lacked direction for years, the last really good phone was the 6310.
At the high end of the market, where the profit is, they have nothing. They have lived on reputation, Sony style, for so long (I mean, only the most loyal Nokia fan would have bought the likes of N95 and N96, and I'm sure chrisgixer will add his 2p on n900), now they are a joke.
Symbian has always suffered from being a kernel, so too expensive for handset developers to develop for (Android needs to take heed of this as well!), thus they all have that same, very basic UI. Symbian, like Google, say the UI is down to handset maker - hopefully Google will take that flawed strategy and change it, crApple needs a serious competitor.
Cheaper Nokias may sell in the millions, but very low margin, so not really a big money spinner.
Nokia's mobile business includes infrastructure products, and Nokia makes good money from this.
Nokia are also quite big in networking. OK, some of their firewalls are pants IMHO, but they shift a fair few, and at 'enterprise' prices ;)
MS are in no position to buy Nokia, nor would it fit their strategy. Shame, as MS needs to lose HTC, who are bloody hopeless, and probably singlehandedly responsible for Win Mobile 6's demise. Poorly designed products, and very bad OS implementation (hence the massive market for (illegal) homebrew cooked roms). MS would be better to buy HTC than Nokia, or quite simply design/sell their own handset.
My 6150 is now 12 years old, on original battery, in daily use & has frequently fallen out of my pocket & on one occasion took a trip down the escalator at Arlanda airport, which I reckon is a pretty good phone too!
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Thought you might have one of these. :-/.............. :D
http://www.betterlifehealthcare.com/products.php?catID=37&subID=774&gclid=CPWD14Dd-6YCFYMTfAodz3nPEw
My great grandfather has one of those :y
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Got a Nokia 5800 express with music - it was brillant value. :y
cost £0.00 :)
You can't be serious, we've got a couple, they are the most hated on the entire floor. Excellent example of how not to make a 'smart' phone
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It was excellent value. ;) ::)..........its used for occasional calls,texts, and listening to the years worth of free downloads.
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Got a Nokia 5800 express with music - it was brillant value. :y
cost £0.00 :)
You can't be serious, we've got a couple, they are the most hated on the entire floor. Excellent example of how not to make a 'smart' phone
You missed the important bit, youth. ;D
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
Don't know. But a free phone ain't bad.
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Nokia mobile handsets - Nokia have lacked direction for years, the last really good phone was the 6310.
At the high end of the market, where the profit is, they have nothing. They have lived on reputation, Sony style, for so long (I mean, only the most loyal Nokia fan would have bought the likes of N95 and N96, and I'm sure chrisgixer will add his 2p on n900), now they are a joke.
Symbian has always suffered from being a kernel, so too expensive for handset developers to develop for (Android needs to take heed of this as well!), thus they all have that same, very basic UI. Symbian, like Google, say the UI is down to handset maker - hopefully Google will take that flawed strategy and change it, crApple needs a serious competitor.
Cheaper Nokias may sell in the millions, but very low margin, so not really a big money spinner.
Nokia's mobile business includes infrastructure products, and Nokia makes good money from this.
Nokia are also quite big in networking. OK, some of their firewalls are pants IMHO, but they shift a fair few, and at 'enterprise' prices ;)
MS are in no position to buy Nokia, nor would it fit their strategy. Shame, as MS needs to lose HTC, who are bloody hopeless, and probably singlehandedly responsible for Win Mobile 6's demise. Poorly designed products, and very bad OS implementation (hence the massive market for (illegal) homebrew cooked roms). MS would be better to buy HTC than Nokia, or quite simply design/sell their own handset.
My 6150 is now 12 years old, on original battery, in daily use & has frequently fallen out of my pocket & on one occasion took a trip down the escalator at Arlanda airport, which I reckon is a pretty good phone too!
6310 is better though :y
(suffers the same 6110/5110 series problems with batt contacts and the connector at base though)
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
People who arent thieves ? :-/ :)
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
People who arent thieves ? :-/ :)
KEEP MUSIC LIVE!!!!
I read that on a sticker in a pub (I think) :-/
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Threads getting a bit geeky for my liking now, they are only phones
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Threads getting a bit geeky for my liking now, they are only phones
Sorry mate. We'll stop right away.
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Threads getting a bit geeky for my liking now, they are only phones
Sorry mate. We'll stop right away.
Im just waiting for the token iphone user to rear his head and tell everybody that flash is an out of date code
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
People who arent thieves ? :-/ :)
About 10% of the young population then ;D
Crime has moved on, its no longer about nicking a CD from HMV (well the dumb-ass chavs do)
95% of people i know torrent their music, films and TV shows. Big Bang Theory for example, I have download episodes and watch it before its even aired on the East cost of the USA :o ;D
But on the legal side..
http://www.spotify.com/uk/
Millions of tracks, on demand, for free, nothing, sod all! Just put up with an advert every 5 tracks.
You key in almost any artist, track, album from recent times, its there. Streaming in excellent quality for free.
So again, who pays for music? ;)
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I'm an iPhone user and I think flash is an out of date code.
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
Don't know. But a free phone ain't bad.
6 free phones,3 of them flogged for a pretty tidy sum. ;)
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I'm an iPhone user and I think flash is an out of date code.
Excellent, I knew it would happen before long :y
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[I dont know Tunnie - who does pay for music ?
I have never paid for it personally, but I dont steal it either - and I dont have to put up with ads. ;)
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
People who arent thieves ? :-/ :)
About 10% of the young population then ;D
Crime has moved on, its no longer about nicking a CD from HMV (well the dumb-ass chavs do)
95% of people i know torrent their music, films and TV shows. Big Bang Theory for example, I have download episodes and watch it before its even aired on the East cost of the USA :o ;D
But on the legal side..
http://www.spotify.com/uk/
Millions of tracks, on demand, for free, nothing, sod all! Just put up with an advert every 5 tracks.
You key in almost any artist, track, album from recent times, its there. Streaming in excellent quality for free.
So again, who pays for music? ;)
and 20 years down the line when you'll have nothing to listen to as it wont be worth recording music anymore - good plan :y
what about watching Sky online free - thats OK too then ? ;)
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[I dont know Tunnie - who does pay for music ?
I have never paid for it personally, but I dont steal it either - and I dont have to put up with ads. ;)
You listen to Irish folk bands live........don't you Albs?
No need to be ashamed mate. ;D
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
People who arent thieves ? :-/ :)
About 10% of the young population then ;D
Crime has moved on, its no longer about nicking a CD from HMV (well the dumb-ass chavs do)
95% of people i know torrent their music, films and TV shows. Big Bang Theory for example, I have download episodes and watch it before its even aired on the East cost of the USA :o ;D
But on the legal side..
http://www.spotify.com/uk/
Millions of tracks, on demand, for free, nothing, sod all! Just put up with an advert every 5 tracks.
You key in almost any artist, track, album from recent times, its there. Streaming in excellent quality for free.
So again, who pays for music? ;)
and 20 years down the line when you'll have nothing to listen to as it wont be worth recording music anymore - good plan :y
what about watching Sky online free - thats OK too then ? ;)
That's about what most of it is worth.
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[I dont know Tunnie - who does pay for music ?
I have never paid for it personally, but I dont steal it either - and I dont have to put up with ads. ;)
You listen to Irish folk bands live........don't you Albs?
No need to be ashamed mate. ;D
Neither do I, press the button marked mute on my keyboard ;)
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I also dont admit to being a thief/criminal on a public forum. ::) ;D ;D
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and 20 years down the line when you'll have nothing to listen to as it wont be worth recording music anymore - good plan :y
what about watching Sky online free - thats OK too then ? ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
U2, on a single tour, made 9 Million Euros.
Did you not see the link i posted for Spotify? Its free and legal.
So is this: http://www.tvcatchup.com/
I watch Sky Online, its free too.... and legal!
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It was what you posted above the link........ ;)
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and 20 years down the line when you'll have nothing to listen to as it wont be worth recording music anymore - good plan :y
what about watching Sky online free - thats OK too then ? ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
U2, on a single tour, made 9 Million Euros.
Did you not see the link i posted for Spotify? Its free and legal.
So is this: http://www.tvcatchup.com/
I watch Sky Online, its free too.... and legal!
U2 are massive because they've been touring since the early 80's and before, they've had massive record company budgets to promote their albums and tours, i'm aware of the business model involved in tours, but you've picked arguably the biggest band on the planet - its the hapless penniless artists coming out now i feel for T :o
p.s. careful Tunnie, you know how much Uncle Rupert likes to listen in ;)
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and 20 years down the line when you'll have nothing to listen to as it wont be worth recording music anymore - good plan :y
what about watching Sky online free - thats OK too then ? ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
U2, on a single tour, made 9 Million Euros.
Did you not see the link i posted for Spotify? Its free and legal.
So is this: http://www.tvcatchup.com/
I watch Sky Online, its free too.... and legal!
U2 are massive because they've been touring since the early 80's and before, they've had massive record company budgets to promote their albums and tours, i'm aware of the business model involved in tours, but you've picked arguably the biggest band on the planet - its the hapless penniless artists coming out now i feel for T :o
p.s. careful Tunnie, you know how much Uncle Rupert likes to listen in ;)
;D ;D ;D
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and 20 years down the line when you'll have nothing to listen to as it wont be worth recording music anymore - good plan :y
what about watching Sky online free - thats OK too then ? ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
U2, on a single tour, made 9 Million Euros.
Did you not see the link i posted for Spotify? Its free and legal.
So is this: http://www.tvcatchup.com/
I watch Sky Online, its free too.... and legal!
U2 are massive because they've been touring since the early 80's and before, they've had massive record company budgets to promote their albums and tours, i'm aware of the business model involved in tours, but you've picked arguably the biggest band on the planet - its the hapless penniless artists coming out now i feel for T :o
p.s. careful Tunnie, you know how much Uncle Rupert likes to listen in ;)
Sorry, but i think you've got it completely wrong. Now is the best time for such artists, before you had to get a record lable to sign you up (you had to pass auditions for music, they think was good), up front costs for mass production of CD's.... list goes on.
Now? just upload a track online.
I went to see this lovely girl at the O2 in Shepards Bush:
http://www.lissie.com/
I only discovered her, after seeing the advert when you start it. Clicked, listened, enjoyed!
So much so i spent £20 on a gig ticket.....
I've also done the same with Two Door Cinema club, discovered it via Spoitfy, going to a gig in March...
So quite frankly, every one who says music is dead, internet is killing it and all that cobblers, its rubbish!
There have never been more bands around.
This may be a bit young for most of you old farts :P ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJDCMth8poM
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
People who arent thieves ? :-/ :)
About 10% of the young population then ;D
Crime has moved on, its no longer about nicking a CD from HMV (well the dumb-ass chavs do)
95% of people i know torrent their music, films and TV shows. Big Bang Theory for example, I have download episodes and watch it before its even aired on the East cost of the USA :o ;D
But on the legal side..
http://www.spotify.com/uk/
Millions of tracks, on demand, for free, nothing, sod all! Just put up with an advert every 5 tracks.
You key in almost any artist, track, album from recent times, its there. Streaming in excellent quality for free.
So again, who pays for music? ;)
Only the brain dead use torrents now. But as torrents have very little legal use, not discussion here ;)
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But as torrents have very little legal use, not discussion here
was not planning a how2 on the subject ;D
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and 20 years down the line when you'll have nothing to listen to as it wont be worth recording music anymore - good plan :y
what about watching Sky online free - thats OK too then ? ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
U2, on a single tour, made 9 Million Euros.
Did you not see the link i posted for Spotify? Its free and legal.
So is this: http://www.tvcatchup.com/
I watch Sky Online, its free too.... and legal!
U2 are massive because they've been touring since the early 80's and before, they've had massive record company budgets to promote their albums and tours, i'm aware of the business model involved in tours, but you've picked arguably the biggest band on the planet - its the hapless penniless artists coming out now i feel for T :o
p.s. careful Tunnie, you know how much Uncle Rupert likes to listen in ;)
Sorry, but i think you've got it completely wrong. Now is the best time for such artists, before you had to get a record lable to sign you up (you had to pass auditions for music, they think was good), up front costs for mass production of CD's.... list goes on.
Now? just upload a track online.
I went to see this lovely girl at the O2 in Shepards Bush:
http://www.lissie.com/
I only discovered her, after seeing the advert when you start it. Clicked, listened, enjoyed!
So much so i spent £20 on a gig ticket.....
I've also done the same with Two Door Cinema club, discovered it via Spoitfy, going to a gig in March...
So quite frankly, every one who says music is dead, internet is killing it and all that cobblers, its rubbish!
There have never been more bands around.
This may be a bit young for most of you old farts :P ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJDCMth8poM
No. In the good old days, when men were men, and students were toffs (as no other tinker could afford NOT to work), wannabe musicians did the pubs, clubs and local centres. Aylesbury Civic Centre - my old hunting ground - used to busy every week with unheard of bands that grew to massive groups.
Trouble is, the toffs have insisted that pubs become restuarants, and therefore no live music, clubs only do bongo bongo shite, and all the local centres have closed down due to council inefficiencies.
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Exactly. :y...........which is why almost all new music is sh1te. ;)
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Exactly. :y...........which is why almost all new music is sh1te. ;)
Tis not.
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Aylesbury Civic Centre - my old hunting ground - used to busy every week with unheard of bands that grew to massive groups.
Yeh, but now your likely to get stabbed if you go out at night in Aylesbury ;D
Times move on, listening to music at work, on the train, at home, thats how bands grow now.
Who wants to go to noisy pub, when I can discover bands from my sofa and drink beer at half the price? :)
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There is no better experience than being in the middle of a hot sweaty crowd listening to a rock band at deafening volume levels.......see my recently started thread on tinnutis. ::) :( :D ;D
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Who wants to go to noisy pub, when I can discover bands from my sofa and drink beer at half the price? :)
Err, more ladies in those loud, noisy pubs than there are on your sofa :-X
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Who wants to go to noisy pub, when I can discover bands from my sofa and drink beer at half the price? :)
Err, more ladies in those loud, noisy pubs than there are on your sofa :-X
Looking at what was on offer last time I went through Aylesbury on the GS, think i'll pass ;D :y
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There is no better experience than being in the middle of a hot sweaty crowd listening to a rock band at deafening volume levels.......see my recently started thread on tinnutis. ::) :( :D ;D
Some of the best nights I've had were actually when the band were really rubbish. I remember one band in a pub, Tattoo, who knew they were that bad, they turned down the singer's mic. The Landlords did a great trade in foodstuffs that could be thrown at them ::)
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That reminds me of a Horslips gig I went to many years ago at queens uni. Belfast. Missed most of the gig because I ended up snogging the pretty young thing in the next seat all night.
Happy days. ::) :y ;D
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Who wants to go to noisy pub, when I can discover bands from my sofa and drink beer at half the price? :)
Err, more ladies in those loud, noisy pubs than there are on your sofa :-X
Looking at what was on offer last time I went through Aylesbury on the GS, think i'll pass ;D :y
Aylesbury has boys as well, if that helps :-/
:P
Some of those pubs/bands used to attract a certain kind of female groupie... ...which when you are a teenager :-X (ssshhh, don't tell Lizzie Zoom, she'll think men only think about 1 thing ::))
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Who wants to go to noisy pub, when I can discover bands from my sofa and drink beer at half the price? :)
Err, more ladies in those loud, noisy pubs than there are on your sofa :-X
Looking at what was on offer last time I went through Aylesbury on the GS, think i'll pass ;D :y
Aylesbury has boys as well, if that helps :-/
:P
Some of those pubs/bands used to attract a certain kind of female groupie... ...which when you are a teenager :-X (ssshhh, don't tell Lizzie Zoom, she'll think men only think about 1 thing ::))
Actually my Sofa does quite well for girls.....
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Flat/warming/DSC01555.JPG)
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That reminds me of a Horslips gig I went to many years ago at queens uni. Belfast. Missed most of the gig because I ended up snogging the pretty young thing in the next seat all night.
Happy days. ::) :y ;D
//TB remembers many such evenings with a degree of fondness... ...some with far more fondness than others ::)
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Who wants to go to noisy pub, when I can discover bands from my sofa and drink beer at half the price? :)
Err, more ladies in those loud, noisy pubs than there are on your sofa :-X
Looking at what was on offer last time I went through Aylesbury on the GS, think i'll pass ;D :y
Aylesbury has boys as well, if that helps :-/
:P
Some of those pubs/bands used to attract a certain kind of female groupie... ...which when you are a teenager :-X (ssshhh, don't tell Lizzie Zoom, she'll think men only think about 1 thing ::))
Actually my Sofa does quite well for girls.....
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Flat/warming/DSC01555.JPG)
2 girls, 3 blokes. The ratio is all arse about face, Mr Student ;D ;D
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The bloke on the sofa is looking lovingly at the bloke out of shot, Tunnie is looking lovingly at the bloke on the sofa - the girls look confused. :D ;D ;D ;D
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Blonde saying to bloke off camera "The guy in the turn ups? Christ no, I thought he was with you!"
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3/10 Could do better.
The idea of a party is for people to enjoy themselves, not sit around like they're in a dentists waiting room young student.
Christ there's not even anybody passed out on the floor.
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
People who arent thieves ? :-/ :)
About 10% of the young population then ;D
Crime has moved on, its no longer about nicking a CD from HMV (well the dumb-ass chavs do)
95% of people i know torrent their music, films and TV shows. Big Bang Theory for example, I have download episodes and watch it before its even aired on the East cost of the USA :o ;D
But on the legal side..
http://www.spotify.com/uk/
Millions of tracks, on demand, for free, nothing, sod all! Just put up with an advert every 5 tracks.
You key in almost any artist, track, album from recent times, its there. Streaming in excellent quality for free.
Not 3 phrases that will ever be in a truthful statement on music, IMHO. If you just want background noise, then fine. You probably won't even notice the adverts. ;D
Only legal way to get listenable music is on the humble CD.
So again, who pays for music? ;)
Me, for one. ;)
Kevin
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i had a debate with my mate about the free music thing.
one of his arguments was that when you buy a cd you get loads of info on the band and pictures etc. hmmmm well that may have been true 10-20 years ago, but i bought a cd recently. it was a single paper. one side was the front cover, there other had a crap pic of the band and details of the producers, band members' name etc.
how rubbish when he could have downoaded the entire album for free!!!!
the other argument is that it stops new bands coming thru. i havent heard a band that is awsome for years. the occasional one hit wonders then nothing.
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Well, it that 'ain't the beginning of the end, this is:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/nokia_microsoft_smartphone_agreement/
The ultimate act of desperation. Getting into bed with the beast of Redmond.
I've known a few mobile phone manufacturers do this. They've all ended up getting asset-stripped then shafted.
Kevin
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Well, it that 'ain't the beginning of the end, this is:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/nokia_microsoft_smartphone_agreement/
The ultimate act of desperation. Getting into bed with the beast of Redmond.
I've known a few mobile phone manufacturers do this. They've all ended up getting asset-stripped then shafted.
Kevin
Thats the American way!
Exactly same happened to the company I used to work for, first thing i said after the announcement of the American buy-out of us, is this will be an asset strip, all tech outsourced and this will be a small commercial office.
Exactly what I thought happened in less than 18 months.
It was inevitable, they were not going to get into bed with new boys Android. I 've asked my Boss for a Windows 7 phone for me to experiment, its a year away from before its really going to catch up, but it looks interesting!
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Well, it that 'ain't the beginning of the end, this is:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/nokia_microsoft_smartphone_agreement/
The ultimate act of desperation. Getting into bed with the beast of Redmond.
I've known a few mobile phone manufacturers do this. They've all ended up getting asset-stripped then shafted.
Kevin
The industry's worse kept secret for this year so far ;D
Nokia had run out of options. Its own Linux based system is too late (Android now dominates that), and was only going to appeal to the geeks. Symbian, too old. iOS isn't available. So a simple toss-up between Windows and Android.
Seeing as the head honcho is ex-Microsoft, it was a no-brainer. Although deeper than that, I suspect Nokia could see the dead-end that Android is heading down, having been there with Symbian. In addition, I suspect picking Android would have peed off their Meego partner somewhat ;D
It could work out well for both sides - Nokia get an OS that doesn't need Nokia's (notoriously slow) developers to develop, Microsoft get a decent, reliable (most of the time) handset manufacturer, rather than relying on HTC, who release non-stop junk that pretty much killed the Windows 6 brand.
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The problem is, Microsoft needs people who can stick chips onto PCBs and then put them in a plastic case. HTC without the quality issues.
Nokia's overheads are a little high for that. ;D Where is the value for Nokia in this deal? I'm sure MS will have the market for apps, online services, media sales, etc. sewn up so Nokia will see little action there.
It's no secret that they have failed miserably to keep up in the smartphone area (and offloaded the more profitable parts of the business to boot ::)). A couple of years back it looked like they could weather not being in the smart phone end of the business. Suddenly, it IS the business.
As I say, this is an act of desperation. I'd be panicking if I were working for Nokia.
Kevin
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Who wants to go to noisy pub, when I can discover bands from my sofa and drink beer at half the price? :)
Err, more ladies in those loud, noisy pubs than there are on your sofa :-X
definitely.. ;D
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Who pays for a music anyway ::)
People who arent thieves ? :-/ :)
About 10% of the young population then ;D
Crime has moved on, its no longer about nicking a CD from HMV (well the dumb-ass chavs do)
95% of people i know torrent their music, films and TV shows. Big Bang Theory for example, I have download episodes and watch it before its even aired on the East cost of the USA :o ;D
But on the legal side..
http://www.spotify.com/uk/
Millions of tracks, on demand, for free, nothing, sod all! Just put up with an advert every 5 tracks.
You key in almost any artist, track, album from recent times, its there. Streaming in excellent quality for free.
Not 3 phrases that will ever be in a truthful statement on music, IMHO. If you just want background noise, then fine. You probably won't even notice the adverts. ;D
Only legal way to get listenable music is on the humble CD.
So again, who pays for music? ;)
Me, for one. ;)
Kevin
Actually there are better ways
Use something like This (http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/84/222/DV-610AV-K/index.html)
And play SACD (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_n_1?rh=n%3A229816%2Cn%3A!365483011%2Cn%3A!382527011%2Cn%3A382529011%2Cp_n_binding_browse-bin%3A382529011%2Cn%3A231239&bbn=382529011&ie=UTF8&qid=1297426266&rnid=520920) and
DVD-Audio (http://www.amazon.co.uk/b?ie=UTF8&node=382544011)
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Actually there are better ways
Use something like This (http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/84/222/DV-610AV-K/index.html)
And play SACD (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_n_1?rh=n%3A229816%2Cn%3A!365483011%2Cn%3A!382527011%2Cn%3A382529011%2Cp_n_binding_browse-bin%3A382529011%2Cn%3A231239&bbn=382529011&ie=UTF8&qid=1297426266&rnid=520920) and
DVD-Audio (http://www.amazon.co.uk/b?ie=UTF8&node=382544011)
Yes, but then you're travelling back into the 1980's with concepts such as getting up and putting a disk into a player. <shudder> ;)
If CD isn't good enough there's always 24/96. At least there's the potential to get the raw data out of the player and into a decent DAC, or download FLACs so you can keep them on a more useful storage medium.
I generally listen to "oldish" recordings (60's / 70's / 80's). I really wonder how much more is in them over and above what a decent 16/44.1 system can deliver?
Kevin
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466
Someone with sense at the top has finally accepted Symbian is shyte and needs to be dropped.
I don't think they have time to develop their own new O/S.
I think Microsoft should step in when they are on the brink, snap them up and have the their own manufacturing setup. Although that might annoy HTC!
It has just been announced Tunnie that Nokia and Microsoft are joining forces 8-) 8-) 8-) :y :y :y
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466
Someone with sense at the top has finally accepted Symbian is shyte and needs to be dropped.
I don't think they have time to develop their own new O/S.
I think Microsoft should step in when they are on the brink, snap them up and have the their own manufacturing setup. Although that might annoy HTC!
It has just been announced Tunnie that Nokia and Microsoft are joining forces 8-) 8-) 8-) :y :y :y
It's about 6 posts up Lizzie ;) ;) ;)
IMO, I wouldn't risk a Windows Mobile for a few years after my experiences with a HP mobile running WinMob... Useless pile of shite needed resteting every 5 minutes >:( >:(
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466
Someone with sense at the top has finally accepted Symbian is shyte and needs to be dropped.
I don't think they have time to develop their own new O/S.
I think Microsoft should step in when they are on the brink, snap them up and have the their own manufacturing setup. Although that might annoy HTC!
It has just been announced Tunnie that Nokia and Microsoft are joining forces 8-) 8-) 8-) :y :y :y
It's about 6 posts up Lizzie ;) ;) ;)
IMO, I wouldn't risk a Windows Mobile for a few years after my experiences with a HP mobile running WinMob... Useless pile of shite needed resteting every 5 minutes >:( >:(
Oh sorry! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Just shows how little I read these tech threads ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12403466
Someone with sense at the top has finally accepted Symbian is shyte and needs to be dropped.
I don't think they have time to develop their own new O/S.
I think Microsoft should step in when they are on the brink, snap them up and have the their own manufacturing setup. Although that might annoy HTC!
It has just been announced Tunnie that Nokia and Microsoft are joining forces 8-) 8-) 8-) :y :y :y
It's about 6 posts up Lizzie ;) ;) ;)
IMO, I wouldn't risk a Windows Mobile for a few years after my experiences with a HP mobile running WinMob... Useless pile of shite needed resteting every 5 minutes >:( >:(
Oh sorry! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Just shows how little I read these tech threads ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Must confess, I don't normally worry too much but, for some strange reason, was keeping up with this one
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Microsoft knew Win6 was dead, Windows 7 live 'tiles' system do look interesting, so much so i've asked for one to be ordered for me as a little toy :D
Its lacking some key features at the moment like copy & paste :o But by the end of year it should be a match for the current leaders.
If they can get the hardware needed to drive it, and make it stable, with Nokia they really could get some slice of the market.
One of the big problems with iPhones is they are not offered free unless you go for very high contacts, reason android phones sell is they are free on contract. If Win7 can match Apples experience for less, who knows.
But this is Microsoft, they are not very good at marketing to non-business :-/
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One of the big problems with iPhones is they are not offered free unless you go for very high contacts, reason android phones sell is they are free on contract. If Win7 can match Apples experience for less, who knows.
Mine was... Both of them ;)
Same contract I would have been on with an Android handset but with the iPhone :y :y
Took a lot of bartering on their part though... The threat of losing a long standing customer did seem to matter to Three, which surprised me TBH
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One of the big problems with iPhones is they are not offered free unless you go for very high contacts, reason android phones sell is they are free on contract. If Win7 can match Apples experience for less, who knows.
Mine was... Both of them ;)
Same contract I would have been on with an Android handset but with the iPhone :y :y
Took a lot of bartering on their part though... The threat of losing a long standing customer did seem to matter to Three, which surprised me TBH
When they were O2 only they refused point blank free handsets, no matter how long you had been with them! Guess your bantering was better than mine, although I did get a contact costing £5 per month for 150 txts 150 mins and unlimited internet :)
Quick search suggests still up front costs involved in Lower rate contacts:
http://www.three.co.uk/Phones/iPhone/Plans
MS/Nokia, need to put them selves between Android and Apple, I'm looking forward to Nokia MS phone, as long as Nokia fix their build issues of late, their recent handsets have had shocking build quality!
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Actually there are better ways
Use something like This (http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/42/84/222/DV-610AV-K/index.html)
And play SACD (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_n_1?rh=n%3A229816%2Cn%3A!365483011%2Cn%3A!382527011%2Cn%3A382529011%2Cp_n_binding_browse-bin%3A382529011%2Cn%3A231239&bbn=382529011&ie=UTF8&qid=1297426266&rnid=520920) and
DVD-Audio (http://www.amazon.co.uk/b?ie=UTF8&node=382544011)
Yes, but then you're travelling back into the 1980's with concepts such as getting up and putting a disk into a player. <shudder> ;)
If CD isn't good enough there's always 24/96. At least there's the potential to get the raw data out of the player and into a decent DAC, or download FLACs so you can keep them on a more useful storage medium.
I generally listen to "oldish" recordings (60's / 70's / 80's). I really wonder how much more is in them over and above what a decent 16/44.1 system can deliver?
Kevin
Quite a bit - if you ever come near I'll put on a DVD-A for you
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Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....
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Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....
Never a truer word spoken. :y Still, they've kept me employed since 1992 so let's hope the suckers keep upgrading them. ;D
Kevin
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Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....
Never a truer word spoken. :y Still, they've kept me employed since 1992 so let's hope the suckers keep upgrading them. ;D
Kevin
Ah we will mate if only to phone the RAC when we breakdown ;D ;D ;D
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Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....
Never a truer word spoken. :y Still, they've kept me employed since 1992 so let's hope the suckers keep upgrading them. ;D
Kevin
Ah we will mate if only to phone the RAC when we breakdown ;D ;D ;D
Ahh. That reminds me. Took offence to their renewal premium a couple of years back and never did sort out an alternative. <fingers crossed> ;)
Kevin
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The problem is, Microsoft needs people who can stick chips onto PCBs and then put them in a plastic case. HTC without the quality issues.
Nokia's overheads are a little high for that. ;D Where is the value for Nokia in this deal? I'm sure MS will have the market for apps, online services, media sales, etc. sewn up so Nokia will see little action there.
It's no secret that they have failed miserably to keep up in the smartphone area (and offloaded the more profitable parts of the business to boot ::)). A couple of years back it looked like they could weather not being in the smart phone end of the business. Suddenly, it IS the business.
As I say, this is an act of desperation. I'd be panicking if I were working for Nokia.
Kevin
Nokia, even now, still have probably the strongest brand in the sector. Some people (a very large number) will not buy anything but Nokia, in the same way Martin Imber will only buy Sony shite, and my brother will only buy BMW.
Nokia can design and make good hardware. Its their software that has knackered them up, an insistance of sticking to Symbian, and doing Meego by committee. Meego is still a long way off before release, and Nokia smartphone users will know it will be unstable and full of bugs for another year or 2 afterwards.
Nokia need to get back into the market quickly, so have to use a 3rd party OS.
So MS have access to a strong brand to market WinMo7, Nokia get access to system software and obviously think they can compete strongly against HTC (Joe Public probably hasn't heard of HTC, but have heard of Nokia).
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how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone
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I know I am completely out of place on this high tech thread, but really all I need, and I am sure there are millions more like me, is just a straightforward mobile phone!
You know, the device on which you can speak to someone on their phone and receive calls back like Alexander Graham Bell demonstrated, but without the cords! ::) ::) ::) ::)
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
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how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone
The gayPhone is not for everyone ;)
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Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....
I do, Mobile industry has employed me since leaving Uni, hopefully will continue to do so!
how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone
A Vectra cannot compete with a Range Rover, but people still guy a chav mobile Saxo, Corsa's.
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how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone
The gayPhone is not for everyone ;)
And has it's problems... Lack of Flash compatibility being the biggest one that jumps to mind ::)
It ticks the boxes for most people admittedly (except for the price) but, as you say, not everyone. For me, stability was key and that is one thing the iPhone is... Highly stable :y
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how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone
The gayPhone is not for everyone ;)
They are trash, for kids and people that dont mind 500mb's internet allowence for £35 a month.
Every Iphone 4 user that I know of on O2 is so scared to use his 3g because of costs. They just want to hook up to WiFi.
My iphone 4 on 3 lasted about a week, I decided that I did actually want to view internet pages that used flash so I sent it back. DPD came out to collect it and dropped me off a BB Torch.
I have never had a BB before but I am smitten with this one! :y
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how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone
The gayPhone is not for everyone ;)
They are trash, for kids and people that dont mind 500mb's internet allowence for £35 a month.
Every Iphone 4 user that I know of on O2 is so scared to use his 3g because of costs. They just want to hook up to WiFi.
My iphone 4 on 3 lasted about a week, I decided that I did actually want to view internet pages that used flash so I sent it back. DPD came out to collect it and dropped me off a BB Torch.
I have never had a BB before but I am smitten with this one! :y
Horses for courses. No phone is perfect for everyone, you just have to find something that suits your own personal needs :y
That said, I'm surprised a Gooseberry suits anyone's needs outside of corporate environments :-/ (Rasberrys are really good for centralised management - thats their niche, but at the expense of functionality/usability).
As to 3g usage, thats a fear put about by people who tether their phones (legally or otherwise). Mrs TB's contract O2 is 'unlimited' (soft capped at 3g when investigating). In the (almost) year and a half since she's had it, I don't think she has done 1Gb download (and about half again for upload). She uses it a lot, and uses Exchange push for mail.
My O2 is 'unlimited' data on PAYG (first year is free unlimited data), not found what the 'unlimited' soft cap is. I'm quite a heavy user of data, yet I too have only managed 1Gb download in the (almost) year I've had this. Once the year or unlimited free data is up, I'll be popping it onto contract, £15 a month, with a 500Mb limit (O2) or £15 a month with a 1Gb limit (Tesco, which uses O2) - (I'll probably go for former). I probably abuse mine as well, as I tend to stream TV (live and recorded) from my Media Center at home ::)
However, the cap is irrelevent, all smartphone contracts have a 500Mb-1Gb cap (stated or soft capped), as the mobile providers haven't kept their infrastructure in line with potential use (in same way broadband providers never foresaw the P2P/Usenet issue flooding networks).
I know of nobody with a contracted data allowance switch off mobile data.
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how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone
The gayPhone is not for everyone ;)
They are trash, for kids and people that dont mind 500mb's internet allowence for £35 a month.
Every Iphone 4 user that I know of on O2 is so scared to use his 3g because of costs. They just want to hook up to WiFi.
My iphone 4 on 3 lasted about a week, I decided that I did actually want to view internet pages that used flash so I sent it back. DPD came out to collect it and dropped me off a BB Torch.
I have never had a BB before but I am smitten with this one! :y
Horses for courses. No phone is perfect for everyone, you just have to find something that suits your own personal needs :y
That said, I'm surprised a Gooseberry suits anyone's needs outside of corporate environments :-/ (Rasberrys are really good for centralised management - thats their niche, but at the expense of functionality/usability).
As to 3g usage, thats a fear put about by people who tether their phones (legally or otherwise). Mrs TB's contract O2 is 'unlimited' (soft capped at 3g when investigating). In the (almost) year and a half since she's had it, I don't think she has done 1Gb download (and about half again for upload). She uses it a lot, and uses Exchange push for mail.
My O2 is 'unlimited' data on PAYG (first year is free unlimited data), not found what the 'unlimited' soft cap is. I'm quite a heavy user of data, yet I too have only managed 1Gb download in the (almost) year I've had this. Once the year or unlimited free data is up, I'll be popping it onto contract, £15 a month, with a 500Mb limit (O2) or £15 a month with a 1Gb limit (Tesco, which uses O2) - (I'll probably go for former). I probably abuse mine as well, as I tend to stream TV (live and recorded) from my Media Center at home ::)
However, the cap is irrelevent, all smartphone contracts have a 500Mb-1Gb cap (stated or soft capped), as the mobile providers haven't kept their infrastructure in line with potential use (in same way broadband providers never foresaw the P2P/Usenet issue flooding networks).
I know of nobody with a contracted data allowance switch off mobile data.
Really? I get 6gb on 3 and free Facebook and Youtube
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how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone
The gayPhone is not for everyone ;)
They are trash, for kids and people that dont mind 500mb's internet allowence for £35 a month.
Every Iphone 4 user that I know of on O2 is so scared to use his 3g because of costs. They just want to hook up to WiFi.
My iphone 4 on 3 lasted about a week, I decided that I did actually want to view internet pages that used flash so I sent it back. DPD came out to collect it and dropped me off a BB Torch.
I have never had a BB before but I am smitten with this one! :y
Horses for courses. No phone is perfect for everyone, you just have to find something that suits your own personal needs :y
That said, I'm surprised a Gooseberry suits anyone's needs outside of corporate environments :-/ (Rasberrys are really good for centralised management - thats their niche, but at the expense of functionality/usability).
As to 3g usage, thats a fear put about by people who tether their phones (legally or otherwise). Mrs TB's contract O2 is 'unlimited' (soft capped at 3g when investigating). In the (almost) year and a half since she's had it, I don't think she has done 1Gb download (and about half again for upload). She uses it a lot, and uses Exchange push for mail.
My O2 is 'unlimited' data on PAYG (first year is free unlimited data), not found what the 'unlimited' soft cap is. I'm quite a heavy user of data, yet I too have only managed 1Gb download in the (almost) year I've had this. Once the year or unlimited free data is up, I'll be popping it onto contract, £15 a month, with a 500Mb limit (O2) or £15 a month with a 1Gb limit (Tesco, which uses O2) - (I'll probably go for former). I probably abuse mine as well, as I tend to stream TV (live and recorded) from my Media Center at home ::)
However, the cap is irrelevent, all smartphone contracts have a 500Mb-1Gb cap (stated or soft capped), as the mobile providers haven't kept their infrastructure in line with potential use (in same way broadband providers never foresaw the P2P/Usenet issue flooding networks).
I know of nobody with a contracted data allowance switch off mobile data.
No O2 just slow it down so its close to being unusable
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Like others on here I have spent pretty much the last 16 years using various Nokia handsets, wouldnt have considered anything else....
However, when it came to replacing my brilliant N95 8gb just over 2 years ago the new Nokias at that time were getting slated everywhere I read and when i went to try one, an N85, it was simply crap. Too plasticky and kept freezing.
After considering other options I went for an iPhone 3g and got the iPhone 4 not long after it came out.
Now I honestly cant see how I can find a better phone, it does everything......
Map software that can find company names, shop phone numbers etc as well as route directions free of charge.....
Full sat nav available free via Apps
A HD video camera and 5mp camera.....
Stores songs, movies and TV programmes and plays them all in crystal clear perfection.....
Like a mini-PSP with all sorts of great, weird and wacky games to play.....
Looks fantastic and feels such high quality compared to other phones too....
And regarding the "aerial problem".....I always put covers on my mobiles from the very first day so I have no issues at all with signal droppages.....
If there is a phone coming that is better all round than that then I cant wait to see it........
iPhone 5 maybe !!
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Like others on here I have spent pretty much the last 16 years using various Nokia handsets, wouldnt have considered anything else....
However, when it came to replacing my brilliant N95 8gb just over 2 years ago the new Nokias at that time were getting slated everywhere I read and when i went to try one, an N85, it was simply crap. Too plasticky and kept freezing.
After considering other options I went for an iPhone 3g and got the iPhone 4 not long after it came out.
Now I honestly cant see how I can find a better phone, it does everything......
Map software that can find company names, shop phone numbers etc as well as route directions free of charge.....
Full sat nav available free via Apps
A HD video camera and 5mp camera.....
Stores songs, movies and TV programmes and plays them all in crystal clear perfection.....
Like a mini-PSP with all sorts of great, weird and wacky games to play.....
Looks fantastic and feels such high quality compared to other phones too....
And regarding the "aerial problem".....I always put covers on my mobiles from the very first day so I have no issues at all with signal droppages.....
If there is a phone coming that is better all round than that then I cant wait to see it........
iPhone 5 maybe !!
You could find one with a decent browser and that displays flash.
If the iphone 5 will enable flash then I will buy one but until that happens I am sticking with a phone where I have the ability to decide what websites I can and cannot view. Not let Steve decide for me!
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Like others on here I have spent pretty much the last 16 years using various Nokia handsets, wouldnt have considered anything else....
However, when it came to replacing my brilliant N95 8gb just over 2 years ago the new Nokias at that time were getting slated everywhere I read and when i went to try one, an N85, it was simply crap. Too plasticky and kept freezing.
After considering other options I went for an iPhone 3g and got the iPhone 4 not long after it came out.
Now I honestly cant see how I can find a better phone, it does everything......
Map software that can find company names, shop phone numbers etc as well as route directions free of charge.....
Full sat nav available free via Apps
A HD video camera and 5mp camera.....
Stores songs, movies and TV programmes and plays them all in crystal clear perfection.....
Like a mini-PSP with all sorts of great, weird and wacky games to play.....
Looks fantastic and feels such high quality compared to other phones too....
And regarding the "aerial problem".....I always put covers on my mobiles from the very first day so I have no issues at all with signal droppages.....
If there is a phone coming that is better all round than that then I cant wait to see it........
iPhone 5 maybe !!
You could find one with a decent browser and that displays flash.
If the iphone 5 will enable flash then I will buy one but until that happens I am sticking with a phone where I have the ability to decide what websites I can and cannot view. Not let Steve decide for me!
Browser works perfectly well for me to be honest, as a non techy joe public consumer
I havent come across anything that has told me I need flash installed, maybe I am only using a fraction of what the phone can do.......
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Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well ;)
Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.
Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.
Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.
For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.
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it did not look good for nokia when they wound up the symbian foundation! symbian is still the best phone os out there, that's if you don't judge it on visual bells and whistles, but on the features it supports. imho it's always been miles ahead of android/ios. but the reliability issues with s60v5 have cost nokia dearly and it looks like symbian is doomed :( its like betamax all over again!!!!!!! :( >:( :( >:(
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Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well ;)
Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.
Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.
Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.
For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.
I have 2 friends, both 30 year old males with Iphone 4 contracts on 02, they are both not really "Heavy" users but both are out within the first week of their monthly allowence.
This wouldnt be a problem for most providers as you can ring them up and change tariff/add allowence but with 02 and their "Pay as you go" style internet allowence even when you are already paying £35 a month IMO is nothing short of taking the p*** out of their customers. But thats the thing most iphone users would still have an iphone if it was £50 a month with no data, they are only after the phone as a fashion accessory.
I use about 3 gig a month and I also stream videos and upload them, I cant imagine you stream much live sky tv a day to be using that little data allowence.
As someone said before its horses for courses but I can tell you that anybody on an Iphone 4 deal with 02 is paying WELL over the odds, especially when you take into account someone on the same provider but with a Iphone 3g.
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i know theyre not for everyone. some like a simple phone which can call n text. some like it to be the hub of their life.
so its simple. if you want the former you go to argos and them 7.99 for their cheapest handset.
if you want all bells n whistles get an iphone :)
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Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well ;)
Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.
Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.
Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.
For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.
I use about 3 gig a month and I also stream videos and upload them, I cant imagine you stream much live sky tv a day to be using that little data allowence.
You've got some apps using a lot of background data then, its very hard to burn through 100mb a day on a mobile phone. There are very, very few reasons to justify that data (without tethering) The limits are in place to stop exactly that. Average user will be fine with 500mb a month.
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Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well ;)
Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.
Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.
Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.
For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.
I use about 3 gig a month and I also stream videos and upload them, I cant imagine you stream much live sky tv a day to be using that little data allowence.
You've got some apps using a lot of background data then, its very hard to burn through 100mb a day on a mobile phone. There are very, very few reasons to justify that data (without tethering) The limits are in place to stop exactly that. Average user will be fine with 500mb a month.
Noticed the other day that Three have launched an 'all you can eat internet' on their 1 Plan.
http://store-3.co.uk/3-unlimited-data-one-plan.html?id=014410000454&gclid=CJfEpK_ChacCFY4f4QodHzg5fQ
Wondering what would happen if you slapped the Sim in a HSDPA doggle and hammered it on your PC, :-/
Chris.
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No O2 just slow it down so its close to being unusable
Utter 'dangle berries'. I can tell you exactly what O2 do if you overstep the limit, and it isn't traffic shaping.
I am glad three offer you free facebook and utube, if thats what you use. Personally, I'm a bit too old for those, thus I do not have a facebook account, nor do I bother looking at utube.
I do keep looking at three, as they offer some good options, but the coverage isn't good enough for me. That said, its superior to Vodafone in these parts ;D
As to the gayPhone and Flash, it doesn't bother me it doesn't work (beyond utube - but then I dont bother with that anyway). Never look at websites that need flash. What is more important to me is it working on a wide range of sites, something most smartphones fall down on.
But, as I said earlier, horses for courses.
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No O2 just slow it down so its close to being unusable
Utter 'dangle berries'. I can tell you exactly what O2 do if you overstep the limit, and it isn't traffic shaping.
I am glad three offer you free facebook and utube, if thats what you use. Personally, I'm a bit too old for those, thus I do not have a facebook account, nor do I bother looking at utube.
I do keep looking at three, as they offer some good options, but the coverage isn't good enough for me. That said, its superior to Vodafone in these parts ;D
As to the gayPhone and Flash, it doesn't bother me it doesn't work (beyond utube - but then I dont bother with that anyway). Never look at websites that need flash. What is more important to me is it working on a wide range of sites, something most smartphones fall down on.
But, as I said earlier, horses for courses.
So you wont be using Twitface then when Facebook and Twitter merge.
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No O2 just slow it down so its close to being unusable
Utter 'dangle berries'. I can tell you exactly what O2 do if you overstep the limit, and it isn't traffic shaping.
I am glad three offer you free facebook and utube, if thats what you use. Personally, I'm a bit too old for those, thus I do not have a facebook account, nor do I bother looking at utube.
I do keep looking at three, as they offer some good options, but the coverage isn't good enough for me. That said, its superior to Vodafone in these parts ;D
As to the gayPhone and Flash, it doesn't bother me it doesn't work (beyond utube - but then I dont bother with that anyway). Never look at websites that need flash. What is more important to me is it working on a wide range of sites, something most smartphones fall down on.
But, as I said earlier, horses for courses.
So you wont be using Twitface then when Facebook and Twitter merge.
I don't idiotter either, I'm a bit too masculine for that...
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Flash won't be on the iPhone 5, its not handset, hardware issue. Its because Apple and Adobe don't get on very well ;)
Flash though, on a mobile device for websites is a mixed blessing, trouble with embedded flash content is its quite high in data amount, so takes a while to download.
Its an issue on the iPad, but for iPhone, i've never come across an issue browsing.
Three's data figures are there just for headlines. I really use a shed ton of data in my job, streaming live Sky mobile TV, installing tons of apps, since September last year (I reset it when I went to Japan) i've only used 3GB on 3G.
For the average web browsing use, 500mb is a fair limit. The only time you will break that is tethering.
I use about 3 gig a month and I also stream videos and upload them, I cant imagine you stream much live sky tv a day to be using that little data allowence.
You've got some apps using a lot of background data then, its very hard to burn through 100mb a day on a mobile phone. There are very, very few reasons to justify that data (without tethering) The limits are in place to stop exactly that. Average user will be fine with 500mb a month.
Noticed the other day that Three have launched an 'all you can eat internet' on their 1 Plan.
http://store-3.co.uk/3-unlimited-data-one-plan.html?id=014410000454&gclid=CJfEpK_ChacCFY4f4QodHzg5fQ
Wondering what would happen if you slapped the Sim in a HSDPA doggle and hammered it on your PC, :-/
Chris.
Ive just signed up to that, and although the girl in a shop mentioned you could do that...
I bought it online and it is plainly mentioned use as a 'modem' is not permitted, but they will sell you an addon so you can.
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To be honest, I cane the internet on my mobile... When I'm at work I surf the net (mainly OOF) for 7-8 hours/day and have never gone over my 1gb "fair usage" on mine ;)
As for the lack of flash... Not really an issue IMO. If I need to view a Flash embedded website I'll do it at home on the Laptop ;)
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Uploading photos and video is the reason that I hammer my allowence every month but as said before 3 set it at 6gb on my plan so it does not bother me.
Anyway enough, im out :-X
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Symbian is shyte
Try using on windows mobile phones.
I've got both symbian an wm6.1 and symbian is bearable but win6.1 makes me want to break the phone every now and then
I couldn't stand my HTC HD2 (yup, used to want to drop bricks on mine) - much happier back with Nokia