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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Darth Loo-knee on 06 February 2011, 00:54:46
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I like many have been on this Forum for a while. I used to come on here every night and laugh my sides sore at the fun we used to have. It was exactly like going to the pub with a load of your mates and having the best laugh you could imagine, but, still being in your own home. We even had a quiz night..
I could not wait to get on here after tea to meet up with everyone again.
It may sound sad, but its true.
And yet something seems to have changed or at least it does to me.... and I aren't sure exactly what!
I love going to the Meets and meet up with Friends who have also put theirselves out to go, some have even driven over 600 miles round trip. And yet always I could write down who will actually be there. The huge posters of the Forum never seem to appear, that puzzles me also when they enjoy or so it seems the Forum too..
General Car Chat used to be " I am gonna fit some springs on my MV6 and if I get chance maybe do an oil change!" now it seems to be "My Skoda seems to have a missfire at 5000 rpm any idea why?"
General Disscussion seems to full of total crap, posts seem to be so serious... people taking the hump.... someone having a bad day then typing it out .... what is that all about?
And the best one using it as Ebay to sell your cars....
So before anyone thinks I am pointing my finger I aren't, I am asking if anyone feels like this, if so what do they think has changed?? how on earth do we get the laughs back which seem to have being lost?
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To be honest I don't see it that way....BUT I DO see quite an increase in folks having millions of Omega problems.....me included.
I haven't been an OOF member for all that long really but do know it to be invaluble to me, literally on a day in day out basis it would appear.
Nice to know that I'm not the only one who needs me head examined ;) :D ;)
Depends what "you're" after I guess.
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As we have discussed Daz,I completely agree. I too can remember many nights when I laughed until my stomach muscles hurt due to the banter on here. Many of the "old faces" have disappeared, and many new ones come along, which has inevitably changed the dynamic. There is also the fact that it has become international, and some complaints have been made to admins about certain subjects etc. so it has been unavoidable that a degree of PC has crept in.Some of the things we usedto joke about wouldnt be allowedthese days, but I dont think that is by any means the biggest part of the problem.
I may be guilty of too much seriousness myself as I do enjoy a bit of political discussion etc. but we have always had that on OOF, we just dont have the laughs we used to.
I dont know the answers mate, I wish I did.I suspect that some peoples fuel budget restricts them from driving long distances to meets etc. although Im sure thats not the only reason there arent hundreds of people at every meet.
I suspect tbh that part of the reason there isnt so much fun is that some of your old sparring partners dont come on here much any more - Mike Dundee being the one which immediately springs to mind. It could also be a that we get more familiar with everyone on here and dont find each other as funny and fascinating as we used to ? :-/
Even people like TB/H21/Markdtm (who all used to spend almost every waking hour on here) dont seem to get as involved as they used to. This has been going on for maybe a couple of years now, not sure if there is a solution tbh. :(
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Having said all that, I still think its the best forum on the web. Just not as good as it used to be. ;)
Maybe newer members who dont know what we are on about could read back through general chat from about two or three years ago. It might be more obvious how much of a laugh it used to be. :-/
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Having said all that, I still think its the best forum on the web. Just not as good as it used to be. ;)
Maybe newer members who dont know what we are on about could read back through general chat from about two or three years ago. It might be more obvious how much of a laugh it used to be. :-/
I know that its the best forum and the most helpful forum on the internet I would never question that at all.
I personally would do anything I could to help the Forum if I could.
As for Mike Dundee he is one of my Best Friends, but he is only one of the people that used to lighten the place up...
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im a relatively new member and enjoy a right laugh.... however when i post something i think is funny in the general discussion area i get somebody come back and tell me ''think before you post on here'' and stuff like that.
i do try and get on here everynight but there's been a few occasions ive thought ''i work hard at work and come home to an overly serious forum and sum snide comments so 'dangle berries' i wont go on again''. but i do come back. :-? :-? :-?
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One persons "banter" is another persons "insult" .. it used to be (IMHO) that if you didn't like what someone posted, you just ignored it .. bit like walking away from a drunk in a pub .... now it seems that if something isn't "liked" by an individual it turns into a slanging match, followed by intervention by Admins to try and hold things together.
Tolerance of opinion, acceptance of difference, and the willingness to see what was intended to be written, all seem to have gone.
We now have entrenched arguments, bickering over the same points many times, and every thing taken at its most literal.
Folks seem to have forgotton that with freedom (of speech in this case) comes responsibility... mind you .. the word "responsibility" seems to be lacking in many areas .. not just this forum ... :(
OOF is still the most helpful and useful forum in existence, it's just no longer the most fun one.... IMHO.. :(
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good evening fellow omega enthusiast's ;D i'm not too sure if its my place to say a little something , being a newbie an all ,and having already ruffled one or two feathers , so i'm going to have some manners and ask if its ok to chuck in my two penneth , for what its worth ,
i only ask as the topic is about how the forum has changed and i cant really speak on that but i can give my immpression on how i have found it , for what its worth :D
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Yes Daz, the forum has changed... But in the time I've been a member it has gone through this "cycle" a couple of times ;)
There is still some banter but not as much as there used to be, although that might not be such a bad thing as my postcount takes enough of a beating as it is ::)
Hopefully it'll cycle again as it has in the past :y
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Oh... And don't worry... I'll give you a cuddle at the Hampshire meet to make you feel better :-* :-* ::) ::)
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good evening fellow omega enthusiast's ;D i'm not too sure if its my place to say a little something , being a newbie an all ,and having already ruffled one or two feathers , so i'm going to have some manners and ask if its ok to chuck in my two penneth , for what its worth ,
i only ask as the topic is about how the forum has changed and i cant really speak on that but i can give my immpression on how i have found it , for what its worth :D
Everyones entitled to chuck their tuppence worth in. :y
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It seems to go in waves Daz. I joined around the same time as Lizzie, we were both a bit timid at first but were soon made to be felt welcome and joined in on most threads. Then as others joined there were gentle changes in how conversations developed and after a few months I remember one of the original members saying how the forum wasnt the same anymore.
This probably goes through slight changes every 200 or 300 new members till we probly sit back and realise it isnt the same as was when we 1st joined.
Yes there are some very deeply involved threads, politics being one of them, but as mwntioned, if they are not your cup of tea then by pass them.
In all honesty there is a massive change, and allthough not the same but in some ways better, TB and the Admin team if you remember nearly shut the forum dowsn through a lot of agro not too long since, I have an inkling that the odd dummy is still spat out at times but Amin/Mods have generally nukes the stuff I just hear comments about.
The thing is the forum is still alive and kicking. Plus a lot of you kept telling me to get a life, so I have and haveing just taken home my new girlfriend (at 4am) it seems I am hardly spending time on here these days and this is my 1st real visit here in the 3 days or so, and now I need to get some sleep as I may be occupied again tomorrow afternoon rather than OOFing. ::)
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It seems to go in waves Daz. I joined around the same time as Lizzie, we were both a bit timid at first but were soon made to be felt welcome and joined in on most threads. Then as others joined there were gentle changes in how conversations developed and after a few months I remember one of the original members saying how the forum wasnt the same anymore.
This probably goes through slight changes every 200 or 300 new members till we probly sit back and realise it isnt the same as was when we 1st joined.
Yes there are some very deeply involved threads, politics being one of them, but as mwntioned, if they are not your cup of tea then by pass them.
In all honesty there is a massive change, and allthough not the same but in some ways better, TB and the Admin team if you remember nearly shut the forum dowsn through a lot of agro not too long since, I have an inkling that the odd dummy is still spat out at times but Amin/Mods have generally nukes the stuff I just hear comments about.
The thing is the forum is still alive and kicking. Plus a lot of you kept telling me to get a life, so I have and haveing just taken home my new girlfriend (at 4am) it seems I am hardly spending time on here these days and this is my 1st real visit here in the 3 days or so, and now I need to get some sleep as I may be occupied again tomorrow afternoon rather than OOFing. ::)
I thought you had to have her back before midnight ( somthing to do with pumpkins). ;D ;D ;)
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Personally I find the moral high ground/superior/better than you contest on here very distasteful. We all breath the same air and pay the same tax IMO. Keep the finger wagging out of it...?
I know the jokes restrictions on here keeps some away, Bob Dent is missing because of it afaict. Which is a shame. Mick Dundee has gone, admins rarely come out to play anymore. Which I find worrying, if they feel they can't enjoy their own forum then we're in trouble. And it is "theirs" I don't care what anyone says, regardless of the generous oof philosophy "it's your forum" approach. yet there seems to be a queue of people telling them how to run it, moaning and giving them grief.
Maybe it's over policed a little because of that? But having not seen the forum in it's early days it's difficult to say for me.
Certainly Found the place very dull since Xmas, starting to pic up now though.
Just some general thoughts, might well be talking 'dangle berries' again for all I know. ;D
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its not so much that the forum's changing, but the worlds changing all around us
we have a lot more stuff to talk about that's more serious, so much has changed over the last 2-3 years
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Daz is right that it has changed and I think we should have a day a week were pedants and PC obsessives don't log in, let people blow off steam and rip the back out of each other ;)
Doubt it would work though but I think some people need to chill out a bit as some of the pull up's lately have been school mam like! I for one love the place and people and am going nowhere! :y :y
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I think if there is a General Discussion board on this Forum the members should be prepared to accept the many varying opinions expressed on it - even by those of us who have accused in the past of occupying the 'moral high ground'.
We are all different here, have different capabilities, a different view of the world, that fact surely must be accepted.
There has been some dancing around here for a while about the nature and style of the contributions from certain members (including me), I don't really take those posters on very much as there's no point in upsetting the general tenor of the Forum but if it's causing a particular problem let's get it out in the open - I'm not thinking particularly of the general subject of the OP more to the comments made by Chris.
If the General Discussion board is causing genuine problems for the moderators and other members then why not close it?
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Okay, so I wasn’t around when the forum kicked off, so am not party to it’s history. Maybe someone could give us an insight as to how it came about?
Compared with some other forums I visit this one is brilliant, good natured and informative, and what better way to spend your lunch period than on here. I must admit I initially joined for the help facility after buying my first Omega, and found people on here always willing to offer help and tips where they could, but have discovered there is much more to it than that. Yeh, I think there could be a little less finger pointing and “I’m not wrong, so you must be” attitude by particular members, but by and large, it’s an exellent forum to be part of. :y :y
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I think you're a gang of big tarts. When I were a lad, this kind of drivel was left to the lasses.
Now, where did I put me whippet?
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Although I can understand the rationale behind the decision (too many being block posted), the establishment of the "Jokes" sticky has effectively removed the humour from the discussion area. I, for one, used to read all the jokes on here and have a good laugh, but now I keep forgetting the sticky is there and rarely visit.
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Although I can understand the rationale behind the decision (too many being block posted), the establishment of the "Jokes" sticky has effectively removed the humour from the discussion area. I, for one, used to read all the jokes on here and have a good laugh, but now I keep forgetting the sticky is there and rarely visit.
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Not an expert but I would agree with that Nickbat. I believe they use carbon rods in nuclear power plants to manage the inferno. When it's going too hot they push them in, when it's not pushing out enough Kilojoules they pull them out. A few jokes interspersed can have the same effect.
(IMHO ;D ;D)
..and why has the "Inappropriate jokes" section only got 2 submissions? Or have I misunderstood the title? ;D ;D ;D
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I agree with Daz ---- my feeling is that the sense of "community" has dwindled. Even in the old days (sounding like my dad now) we disagreed on many things, but we "agreed to disagree" and these minor ripples were left at the door.
Over the last couple of years I have thought "sod it I am off", but, much to peoples horror, I have come back ----- but that pull is dwindling fast.
And .... my skoda can't manage 5000 rpm, yet alone misfire at it (more Kaboom rally) ;)
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Although I can understand the rationale behind the decision (too many being block posted), the establishment of the "Jokes" sticky has effectively removed the humour from the discussion area. I, for one, used to read all the jokes on here and have a good laugh, but now I keep forgetting the sticky is there and rarely visit.
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Speaking as a member here, the trouble with jokes in general chat was the frequency in which some people would post up a whole page of old jokes that had been posted a million times before. I became almost commonplace for the first page of general discussion area to be just crap old jokes.
From a moderation point of view, jokes frequently border or exceed allowed behaviour here - with any joke, somebody always has to be the brunt any joke.
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The admin team are always open to ideas of how to improve things, if anyone has any...
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In the early days though, I got the impression there was a group exodus from "the other place" where oof was born from. A place where presumably people wheren't happy and left to start there own forum here, and hence where happy again?
Those members being the core of oof, knowing they came here from a worse place, then gradually had to accept the arrival of other members unaware of the history and why oof was started in the first place....?
That being the case I think maybe Daz's initial post refers to...well, the way of things. A natural process, possibly as Lazydocker says?
I can't comment on the history as Daz mentions, as I said, I wasn't here. All that matters is the here and now, and the simple fact, you can't please all the people all of the time. Also as I believe Mark once said, it's not much of a forum of if we can't express views, opposing, counter opposing, or whatever.
....and Esty's right btw. ;D
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as a long distance member, I see the situation change from a different view..
as OOF belongs to this world ;D and combines us the mortals together, its not immune to economic and other problems/events around us.. in the last 2-3 years many people loose their jobs, some change positions and their lifestyle, many of them change their cars as they cant afford the costs anymore , some of them(including me) try to cut their costs and some lucky ones buy more expensive models.. :-/
and the general usual posters here mostly have ages above average normally discussing serious subjects that they have to deal with everyday including their health problems.. Looking at the picture those talks may not be amusing.. but imo thats what we are ..
meanwhile, sometimes I feel that the forums international position limits the posters talking and behaving freely about special subjects not to disturb or cause offences.. yep..not easy to satisfy all people from around the world from different countries and very different habits.. I see a similiar situation in summer vacation.. when Brits are alone they really enjoy ..but when foreign people enter their group they become more serious..but thats normal behaviour.. so its upto admins to decide for that :-/
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The admin team are always open to ideas of how to improve things, if anyone has any...
i think you should pay members whose name begins with H everytime they log on £5.00 :y
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Hi all - my mebership here I must admit maybe like a lot of others was driven by my introduction to Omega ownership that I had naively thought was going to be trouble free until it started leaving pools of oil everywhere I parked it..
However - I quickly realised there really is a sense of community on here and much much more than just a techy library of solutions to the infinite issues the 'mig is capable of challenging us with. It's also obvious that there is a vast array of experience and personalities on here with quite colourful stories to tell .. some popular - some not so popular
I think someone has already mentioned you're bound to get a cycle of input as peoples lives change and priorities fluctuate.
I'm not sure if I've detected a change or not - I'll be honest I dip in and out a bit myself (when I can get the kids off the computer) and chip in now and again. I've pml at some of the material on here and yes sometimes thought ...ooohh that's a bit edgy and subsequently watched it get a bit hot.......
The Admin on here - I believe are volounteers - so I have every respect for their time and effort it must take to keep tracks on a site like this and try and either referee or make a call on the nature of a post - but there have to be limits and we should respect that. Saying that though if you take a baseline of what you can watch on the TV comedy programs - there's quite a bit of flexibility there.
I'll be honest - there is so much stuff on this forum - especially in the General chat and the General Car chat areas I can't keep up with it all - so there must be something we're doing right that keeps us coming back and sharing random thoughts and observations - and as always there will be someone else who will have an opinion on it - which isn't that why you'd have posted it in the first place...
..maybe we could start the Omega wave when your'e out and about (like MG' drivers ?) - you've no idea who they might be - but it's the knowing you know they know you know who they are even if they don't know you.... :D.......
Anyway - I think it's great - don't change it - and I'll chip in now and again when I can get on the computer and get to meet some of you in the Oxford area from time to time.... :y
Cheers
Ian.
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ha ha hruntie,huffer,hebby the bear,halbs and best of all the resident student hunnie ;D
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ha ha hruntie,huffer,hebby the bear,halbs and best of all the resident student hunnie ;D
+ hrisgixer :y
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I like it on here. It seems much the same as when I joined in 2008. The word filter gets on my tits at times and I can feel a little too much "political correctness" creeping in....but overall it'a still a fun place to be. :y :y
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ha ha hruntie,huffer,hebby the bear,halbs and best of all the resident student hunnie ;D
+ hrisgixer :y
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i wonder if anyone on here is called omo ;D
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i cant remember when i first joined because i closed my account and reopened it again minutes later to flush my 1800 posts away to show i was sick of hearing about post counts..it was a daft moment i had and some of you may remember it but in the time ive been on ive had some great laughs much so the wife sometimes looks over and thinks im daft for laughing all the time,ive learnt things useful and learnt a load of shite too ;Dsometimes it seems to go for days without change and its boring but then someone comes along and sprinkles some magic and it fires up again,i dont like all the politics so i choose not to read them and dont care for the polls cos it wont change out but in general i like to pop on here and try to have a laugh..as bernard manning said they cant stop us laughing
and TB can i have my posts back ;D :y
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Having been on very nearly from its birth, The forum definitely has changed - however I see that as a natural thing. It is definitely less personal but that is to be expected with 6000 members.
It is still a fantastic forum. Without it I would have given up on Omegas years ago.
Maybe and it is only a maybe some changes that could be made could include.
A section for "Over 18's" stuff and who better to moderate than Mr S.
A current affairs section moderated by who else than Mr Z or Ms L Z
An OOF lounge only open to forum members with say 1000 posts and only on approval from a Mod. That might be an area where people use their real names and things might be a bit more personal
This is the only other forum I go on every day. The "other" being a Spanish forum for Expats.
I think users could be more disciplined with headings. Instead of posting in general help "Yikes" they could say "Problems with spark plug leads". I have lost count of the number of times I have opened on my slow connection something only to find it wasn't of interest or appropriate.
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the only bad thing on here is that when you post a new topic it gets hijacked by people talking about something else.
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no comment. :)
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the only bad thing on here is that when you post a new topic it gets hijacked by people talking about something else.
....resist ...RESIST ::)
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When it first started it had the atmosphere of a club now it is more impersonal
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When it first started it had the atmosphere of a club now it is more impersonal
Talking of clubs Mr Imber, get yourself down to Newent this year and have a beer, can't be doing with a half hour visit when you only live 'up the road!'. :y
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Having been on very nearly from its birth, The forum definitely has changed - however I see that as a natural thing. It is definitely less personal but that is to be expected with 6000 members.
It is still a fantastic forum. Without it I would have given up on Omegas years ago.
Maybe and it is only a maybe some changes that could be made could include.
A section for "Over 18's" stuff and who better to moderate than Mr S.
A current affairs section moderated by who else than Mr Z or Ms L Z
An OOF lounge only open to forum members with say 1000 posts and only on approval from a Mod. That might be an area where people use their real names and things might be a bit more personal
This is the only other forum I go on every day. The "other" being a Spanish forum for Expats.
I think users could be more disciplined with headings. Instead of posting in general help "Yikes" they could say "Problems with spark plug leads". I have lost count of the number of times I have opened on my slow connection something only to find it wasn't of interest or appropriate.
I have been trying hard this morning to think of something worthwhile to say on what Daz has, quiet rightly, stated. Since I first joined, then left in a huff, and quickly came back within a week it HAS changed, with all too many names disappearing (Psyconurse, Mike Dundee, Ljay, Dusty, etc, etc) that I certainly loved discussion / sparring with!!
However I am not going to burble on. Rather I will just say Varche has really summarised my feelings, especially on how many members are now on the OOF. I would add the mix has changed due to that, and certainly Daz is right to say so much humour seems to have disappeared. I remember those nights with effection when I couldn't stop giggling!! 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D :D :D
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Having been on very nearly from its birth, The forum definitely has changed - however I see that as a natural thing. It is definitely less personal but that is to be expected with 6000 members.
It is still a fantastic forum. Without it I would have given up on Omegas years ago.
Maybe and it is only a maybe some changes that could be made could include.
A section for "Over 18's" stuff and who better to moderate than Mr S.
A current affairs section moderated by who else than Mr Z or Ms L Z
An OOF lounge only open to forum members with say 1000 posts and only on approval from a Mod. That might be an area where people use their real names and things might be a bit more personal
This is the only other forum I go on every day. The "other" being a Spanish forum for Expats.
I think users could be more disciplined with headings. Instead of posting in general help "Yikes" they could say "Problems with spark plug leads". I have lost count of the number of times I have opened on my slow connection something only to find it wasn't of interest or appropriate.
Who indeed.....The forum's very own Ron Jeremy.... :D :D :)
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Having been on very nearly from its birth, The forum definitely has changed - however I see that as a natural thing. It is definitely less personal but that is to be expected with 6000 members.
It is still a fantastic forum. Without it I would have given up on Omegas years ago.
Maybe and it is only a maybe some changes that could be made could include.
A section for "Over 18's" stuff and who better to moderate than Mr S.
A current affairs section moderated by who else than Mr Z or Ms L Z
An OOF lounge only open to forum members with say 1000 posts and only on approval from a Mod. That might be an area where people use their real names and things might be a bit more personal
This is the only other forum I go on every day. The "other" being a Spanish forum for Expats.
I think users could be more disciplined with headings. Instead of posting in general help "Yikes" they could say "Problems with spark plug leads". I have lost count of the number of times I have opened on my slow connection something only to find it wasn't of interest or appropriate.
Who indeed.....The forum's very own Ron Jeremy.... :D :D :)
kay parker ;)
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As a newbie i think this site is brilliant, specially as i've had problems with my car.
I've found it's sometimes difficult joining some forums (member of a few bike ones too) when i don't know anyone etc.
I've been made very welcome and even after asking wot i think are stupid questions :-X I've never bin shot down in flames (prob will now ;D) !!
I think everyone is still recovering after the winter blues (snow/ice vmas bills etc) ::)
Keep up with the fantastic work :y
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As a newbie i think this site is brilliant, specially as i've had problems with my car.
I've found it's sometimes difficult joining some forums (member of a few bike ones too) when i don't know anyone etc.
I've been made very welcome and even after asking wot i think are stupid questions :-X I've never bin shot down in flames (prob will now ;D) !!
I think everyone is still recovering after the winter blues (snow/ice vmas bills etc) ::)
Keep up with the fantastic work :y
You're not a newbie....Junior... ;)
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Having been on very nearly from its birth, The forum definitely has changed - however I see that as a natural thing. It is definitely less personal but that is to be expected with 6000 members.
It is still a fantastic forum. Without it I would have given up on Omegas years ago.
Maybe and it is only a maybe some changes that could be made could include.
A section for "Over 18's" stuff and who better to moderate than Mr S.
A current affairs section moderated by who else than Mr Z or Ms L Z
An OOF lounge only open to forum members with say 1000 posts and only on approval from a Mod. That might be an area where people use their real names and things might be a bit more personal
This is the only other forum I go on every day. The "other" being a Spanish forum for Expats.
I think users could be more disciplined with headings. Instead of posting in general help "Yikes" they could say "Problems with spark plug leads". I have lost count of the number of times I have opened on my slow connection something only to find it wasn't of interest or appropriate.
:-? Did you have a siesta once you got to 6000? ::)
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Re: Is it me or has the Forum Changed??
Reply #31 - Today at 12:10 chrisgixer wrote Today at 11:35:
hercules wrote Today at 11:03:
ha ha hruntie,huffer,hebby the bear,halbs and best of all the resident student hunnie
+ hrisgixer
i wonder if anyone on here is called omo
i swear on my families life where i work my head of departments title is:
Head Of Mortgage Operations!!!!
hahaahahahaahahahahahahahaha ......................haahahahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Having been on very nearly from its birth, The forum definitely has changed - however I see that as a natural thing. It is definitely less personal but that is to be expected with 6000 members.
It is still a fantastic forum. Without it I would have given up on Omegas years ago.
Maybe and it is only a maybe some changes that could be made could include.
A section for "Over 18's" stuff and who better to moderate than Mr S.
A current affairs section moderated by who else than Mr Z or Ms L Z
An OOF lounge only open to forum members with say 1000 posts and only on approval from a Mod. That might be an area where people use their real names and things might be a bit more personal
This is the only other forum I go on every day. The "other" being a Spanish forum for Expats.
I think users could be more disciplined with headings. Instead of posting in general help "Yikes" they could say "Problems with spark plug leads". I have lost count of the number of times I have opened on my slow connection something only to find it wasn't of interest or appropriate.
:-? Did you have a siesta once you got to 6000? ::)
Siempre! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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One of the previous car forums i went on had a small live chat box on the main screen for general conversations. Tbh it worked quite well
It was used as general chit chat whilst posting was taking place and keeping the Threads pretty much on topic.
We still had a general discussion area but if it really wasnt worth starting a whole thread on something it was quite useful.
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for what its worth i think this is a pretty decent place , i'm a bit of a windup merchant when it comes to discussions etc , usualy choosing the least popular opinion on a topic and then trying to defend it , but i also try to have a laugh whilst doing it . In the short time i have been on this site i have been in complete disagreement with certain people on certain subjects , only to find that the next day on a different subject that we are in agreement , thats got to be pretty rare ? it is definately a fun place to be , as i said i don't do forums but i seem to find myself on here a lot of the time now and that speaks volumes to me :y :y :y :y
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for what its worth i think this is a pretty decent place , i'm a bit of a windup merchant when it comes to discussions etc , usualy choosing the least popular opinion on a topic and then trying to defend it , but i also try to have a laugh whilst doing it . In the short time i have been on this site i have been in complete disagreement with certain people on certain subjects , only to find that the next day on a different subject that we are in agreement , thats got to be pretty rare ? it is definately a fun place to be , as i said i don't do forums but i seem to find myself on here a lot of the time now and that speaks volumes to me :y :y :y :y
It is a great place top be... No doubt about it :y :y As for opinions... The world would be very boring if everyone agreed on everything ;)
But DLK was referring to the way it has changed. Have a look at some of the threads towards the end of the General Discussion area and you'll see what it used to be like. I've not been here since the start but have seen the changes since I joined 3 years ago :y
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for what its worth i think this is a pretty decent place , i'm a bit of a windup merchant when it comes to discussions etc , usualy choosing the least popular opinion on a topic and then trying to defend it , but i also try to have a laugh whilst doing it . In the short time i have been on this site i have been in complete disagreement with certain people on certain subjects , only to find that the next day on a different subject that we are in agreement , thats got to be pretty rare ? it is definately a fun place to be , as i said i don't do forums but i seem to find myself on here a lot of the time now and that speaks volumes to me :y :y :y :y
It is a great place top be... No doubt about it :y :y As for opinions... The world would be very boring if everyone agreed on everything ;)
But DLK was referring to the way it has changed. Have a look at some of the threads towards the end of the General Discussion area and you'll see what it used to be like. I've not been here since the start but have seen the changes since I joined 3 years ago :y
thanks lazeeeee i think i'll do just that :)
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One of the previous car forums i went on had a small live chat box on the main screen for general conversations. Tbh it worked quite well
It was used as general chit chat whilst posting was taking place and keeping the Threads pretty much on topic.
We still had a general discussion area but if it really wasnt worth starting a whole thread on something it was quite useful.
'Shoutboxes' don't really work on larger sites, and a pretty divisive on any site imho.
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One of the previous car forums i went on had a small live chat box on the main screen for general conversations. Tbh it worked quite well
It was used as general chit chat whilst posting was taking place and keeping the Threads pretty much on topic.
We still had a general discussion area but if it really wasnt worth starting a whole thread on something it was quite useful.
'Shoutboxes' don't really work on larger sites, and a pretty divisive on any site imho.
definitely..
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One of the previous car forums i went on had a small live chat box on the main screen for general conversations. Tbh it worked quite well
It was used as general chit chat whilst posting was taking place and keeping the Threads pretty much on topic.
We still had a general discussion area but if it really wasnt worth starting a whole thread on something it was quite useful.
'Shoutboxes' don't really work on larger sites, and a pretty divisive on any site imho.
The site itself was Fairly big. It came in about half way through my time on there.
Was just used as a quick way of communicating i suppose. :)
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Re: Is it me or has the Forum Changed??
Reply #31 - Today at 12:10 chrisgixer wrote Today at 11:35:
hercules wrote Today at 11:03:
ha ha hruntie,huffer,hebby the bear,halbs and best of all the resident student hunnie
+ hrisgixer
i wonder if anyone on here is called omo
i swear on my families life where i work my head of departments title is:
Head Of Mortgage Operations!!!!
hahaahahahaahahahahahahahaha ......................haahahahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D
hahahahahahahahahahahaha so your a homo for a living hahahahahahahahahah
by night im webby but by day you can call me mo...homo haha ;D
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha so your a homo for a living hahahahahahahahahah
by night im webby but by day you can call me mo...homo haha
hahahaha no you silly hercules ;D ;D ;D ;D
thats my bosses title ;D ;D ;D ;D
if that was my title do you really think id admit to it? hahahahahaha
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha so your a homo for a living hahahahahahahahahah
by night im webby but by day you can call me mo...homo haha
hahahaha no you silly hercules ;D ;D ;D ;D
thats my bosses title ;D ;D ;D ;D
if that was my title do you really think id admit to it? hahahahahaha
hahahaha so what your saying is one day your hopeing to be promoted to a homo ;D ;D
head of homo division hahahahaha
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To add to my earlier posting on this thread:
Yes, there is one thing now bugging me, and I know others, about how over sanitization of our posts is taking place. Tonight I have had at least one taste of this again.
Someone made a very unfortunate comment about a question I asked. Other members stepped in to express dissatisfaction with that member comment to me. I thanked them, and made a very polite observation on what had been said. Suddenly the Admins step in, express anger about everyones involvement, and delete all the posts as though we as adults cannot handle it.
That very rarely happened in the past , but now censorship on here is common. Why so much? OR Admins is it just me? ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
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Would you rather it was just a mosh pit where simply the strongest survives?
I know that there are quite a few on here that are making their absenses longer and longer between postings.....
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Would you rather it was just a mosh pit where simply the strongest survives?
I know that there are quite a few on here that are making their absenses longer and longer between postings.....
No, certainly not of course Ht. ;) ;)
But are we being too sensitive on here as is the rest of society? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are we witnessing too much protection? :-/ :-/
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Would you rather it was just a mosh pit where simply the strongest survives?
I know that there are quite a few on here that are making their absenses longer and longer between postings.....
good question..
nope.. but as I said earlier this form is not immune to real life problems, will reflect it in some way :-/ :-/
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To add to my earlier posting on this thread:
Yes, there is one thing now bugging me, and I know others, about how over sanitization of our posts is taking place. Tonight I have had at least one taste of this again.
Someone made a very unfortunate comment about a question I asked. Other members stepped in to express dissatisfaction with that member comment to me. I thanked them, and made a very polite observation on what had been said. Suddenly the Admins step in, express anger about everyones involvement, and delete all the posts as though we as adults cannot handle it.
That very rarely happened in the past , but now censorship on here is common. Why so much? OR Admins is it just me? ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
If this was specifically about Albs thread, it came across to me as overly aggressive (from all sides). Such aggression will stop some people making their points, and is ultimately bad for the forum.
But this thread is not about specifics
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Would you rather it was just a mosh pit where simply the strongest survives?
I know that there are quite a few on here that are making their absenses longer and longer between postings.....
No, certainly not of course Ht. ;) ;)
But are we being too sensitive on here as is the rest of society? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are we witnessing too much protection? :-/ :-/
We reap what we sow.
General society now requires that we are understanding of creed, colour, religion and sexual persuasion. It was only a matter of time before OOF had to fall into line because of the shouted demands of the few.
No longer can we have jokes about the Englishman, Irishman & Scotsman or the Protestant, Catholic and Jew or fat, short & tall or whatever because someone always complains....
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Would you rather it was just a mosh pit where simply the strongest survives?
I know that there are quite a few on here that are making their absenses longer and longer between postings.....
No, certainly not of course Ht. ;) ;)
But are we being too sensitive on here as is the rest of society? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are we witnessing too much protection? :-/ :-/
There should be no need for either IMHO .. I'll just quote myself from earlier in the thread .. and it directly applies to the climate change thread comments IMHO ..
One persons "banter" is another persons "insult" .. it used to be (IMHO) that if you didn't like what someone posted, you just ignored it .. bit like walking away from a drunk in a pub .... now it seems that if something isn't "liked" by an individual it turns into a slanging match, followed by intervention by Admins to try and hold things together.
Tolerance of opinion, acceptance of difference, and the willingness to see what was intended to be written, all seem to have gone.
We now have entrenched arguments, bickering over the same points many times, and every thing taken at its most literal.
Folks seem to have forgotton that with freedom (of speech in this case) comes responsibility... mind you .. the word "responsibility" seems to be lacking in many areas .. not just this forum ... :(
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Covers 99% of all the present problems IMHO ... seems the words
tolerance, understanding, responsibility have been deleted from the English language . :(
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Would you rather it was just a mosh pit where simply the strongest survives?
I know that there are quite a few on here that are making their absenses longer and longer between postings.....
No, certainly not of course Ht. ;) ;)
But are we being too sensitive on here as is the rest of society? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are we witnessing too much protection? :-/ :-/
We reap what we sow.
General society now requires that we are understanding of creed, colour, religion and sexual persuasion. It was only a matter of time before OOF had to fall into line because of the shouted demands of the few.
No longer can we have jokes about the Englishman, Irishman & Scotsman or the Protestant, Catholic and Jew or fat, short & tall or whatever because someone always complains....
I would add that jokes are inherantly dangerous. Someone is always the butt of the joke and its the tolerance/understanding of that which is the problem.
As always, the Devil is in the detail...
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Would you rather it was just a mosh pit where simply the strongest survives?
I know that there are quite a few on here that are making their absenses longer and longer between postings.....
No, certainly not of course Ht. ;) ;)
But are we being too sensitive on here as is the rest of society? :-/ :-/ :-/ Are we witnessing too much protection? :-/ :-/
There should be no need for either IMHO .. I'll just quote myself from earlier in the thread .. and it directly applies to the climate change thread comments IMHO ..
One persons "banter" is another persons "insult" .. it used to be (IMHO) that if you didn't like what someone posted, you just ignored it .. bit like walking away from a drunk in a pub .... now it seems that if something isn't "liked" by an individual it turns into a slanging match, followed by intervention by Admins to try and hold things together.
Tolerance of opinion, acceptance of difference, and the willingness to see what was intended to be written, all seem to have gone.
We now have entrenched arguments, bickering over the same points many times, and every thing taken at its most literal.
Folks seem to have forgotton that with freedom (of speech in this case) comes responsibility... mind you .. the word "responsibility" seems to be lacking in many areas .. not just this forum ... :(
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Covers 99% of all the present problems IMHO ... seems the words
tolerance, understanding, responsibility have been deleted from the English language . :(
Yep Entwood :y :y :y. I agree with all you say, and Ht's along with TB's comments above also ring very true.
Can we all change for the better on here though? I will certainly try, whilst not wishing to "water down" my writings :D :D :D ;)
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I am starting to get into the MB owners UK but this forum is better by a long way. I don't post often (just my character) but I still lurk on a fairly regular basis.
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
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On the subject of meets, I'd love to meet some of the characters on here, but I hesitated to go to Newent this year, as I didn't know whether I would have felt comfortable with a group of people that know each other so well. Maybe this puts other newer members off? There's no doubt that I would have been made welcome, even though I'm not that well known on here, but I'm quite quiet so Daz, I'll try and make the effort next time :-[
I've been here a while and prefer to observe than post a great deal. I personally think the forum's as good as when I first joined though. It serves its primary purpose, which is to provide help and advice for the Omega, better than any other, as we all know.
As for the rest of it, I think the discussion area is still great, I happen to love the jokes and I loved it when Nickbat revived the Nag's Head as well :y
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
My own view, without saying too much, is we are in the winter blues - not dissimilar to last year. Once the meets start up again, things normally perk up.
I would sincerely urge those regulars who choose not to go to OOF meets (either local day meets, or the big 2 natinal ones) to seriously consider turning up - even if its just for the day. I think communities work so much better when you know who you are talking to, rather than in the virtual world.
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To add to my earlier posting on this thread:
Yes, there is one thing now bugging me, and I know others, about how over sanitization of our posts is taking place. Tonight I have had at least one taste of this again.
Someone made a very unfortunate comment about a question I asked. Other members stepped in to express dissatisfaction with that member comment to me. I thanked them, and made a very polite observation on what had been said. Suddenly the Admins step in, express anger about everyones involvement, and delete all the posts as though we as adults cannot handle it.
That very rarely happened in the past , but now censorship on here is common. Why so much? OR Admins is it just me? ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
I, as the OP in the thread in question requested that it be trimmed. It was about someone who was a bit of a hero to me and quickly descended into something else (unpleasant) entirely.
As I said in my request to H21 - iF a thread such as that can descend as quickly as it did into something unpleasant, it makes me wonder if the forum is more broken than we thought, and ponder whether it is actually worth bothering. :(
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To add to my earlier posting on this thread:
Yes, there is one thing now bugging me, and I know others, about how over sanitization of our posts is taking place. Tonight I have had at least one taste of this again.
Someone made a very unfortunate comment about a question I asked. Other members stepped in to express dissatisfaction with that member comment to me. I thanked them, and made a very polite observation on what had been said. Suddenly the Admins step in, express anger about everyones involvement, and delete all the posts as though we as adults cannot handle it.
That very rarely happened in the past , but now censorship on here is common. Why so much? OR Admins is it just me? ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;)
I, as the OP in the thread in question requested that it be trimmed. It was about someone who was a bit of a hero to me and quickly descended into something else (unpleasant) entirely.
As I said in my request to H21 - iF a thread such as that can descend as quickly as it did into something unpleasant, it makes me wonder if the forum is more broken than we thought, and ponder whether it is actually worth bothering. :(
Thanks Albs for explaining that, much appreciated! :y :y :y :y
It certainly puts the issue in another light, and I agree with your comments, especially about how a 'simple' thread as we were on can descend into the murky depths so quickly!! :o :o :o :o :o :o ;)
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
My own view, without saying too much, is we are in the winter blues - not dissimilar to last year. Once the meets start up again, things normally perk up.
I would sincerely urge those regulars who choose not to go to OOF meets (either local day meets, or the big 2 natinal ones) to seriously consider turning up - even if its just for the day. I think communities work so much better when you know who you are talking to, rather than in the virtual world.
Very true, didn't used to agree, but your right. Bit like driving, would probably behave differently if I knew my friends family neighbours, colleagues and general aquaintances where watching.
But there is more to it IMO, without really knowing what exactly. :-/
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My personal tuppenceworth and not that of an admin. Timelines of matters of fact may be out of kilter, but the gist is there.
Society in general has changed such that even the quietest of minorities can and do make themselves heard to the extent that the greater good of society changes to accomodate their thoughts and wishes.
OOF originally was a WYSIWYG - what you see is what you get - forum with little or no moderation, simply because none was required. It was about Omegas, how to repair them cheaply and not pay full dealer or garage prices. Such was the ability to share such information via howtoo's and clever folks keen to be online and impart information, freely and at no cost, the forum grew.
There was a demand for an area where anything could be discussed, hence the gendiss area. Again, common sense prevailed and the assorted adults (note 'adults') were able to have a laugh and share jokes and banter at The Nags Head. Look back the old threads and see whats meant.
There were a few very good meets, including a tour round Drax power station courtesy of member miked, and the cameraderie simply grew thereafter.
The Omega got older and less mainstream and its availability to those of us with lesser means became more and more. The forum started to reflect that.
What was initially a relatively small group of enthusiasts quickly became a larger mass of folks wanting to run large expensive, well specced cars on the cheap. With that came a degree of political correctness and some upsets and tears at some of the good natured banter and repartee.
The well learned maxim that religion and politics should not be discussed in a pub with friends was quickly forgotten and such things soon became common place.
As the years continued to turn, so did the mindset of the membership, in my opinion. Gone was the happy understanding that jokes and banter were that and umbrage was taken by some, thus the 'alert mod' option was introduced and with that, came what can be perceived as moderator intervention overload.
As I said earlier elsewhere, we reap what we sow.
If you take the huff about something without having some consideration for others folks standpoint - be that PC or very non PC - and simply 'tell teacher', what do you expect to be the outcome?
OOF is publicly accountable on so many various levels, be that technical, copywrite or some of the PC guff as I outlined, so you have to get what you asked for, within reason.
As said, my tuppenceworth as OOFer and not an admin. Those who have met me in person know that I call a spade a spade and can cuss and blind with the best of them but those that simply launch large on the forum and do not take the very small step to make a meet to show themselves face to face? Ach well, we all need keyboard warriors, I suppose.
If this is a rant, well, I suppose thats now /end rant...
Thanks for reading thus far....
B
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The forum's not broken, just every now and then you get the odd div posting deliberately provocative crap.This will always happen, like it or not ::)
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On the subject of meets, I'd love to meet some of the characters on here, but I hesitated to go to Newent this year, as I didn't know whether I would have felt comfortable with a group of people that know each other so well. Maybe this puts other newer members off? There's no doubt that I would have been made welcome, even though I'm not that well known on here, but I'm quite quiet so Daz, I'll try and make the effort next time :-[
I've been here a while and prefer to observe than post a great deal. I personally think the forum's as good as when I first joined though. It serves its primary purpose, which is to provide help and advice for the Omega, better than any other, as we all know.
As for the rest of it, I think the discussion area is still great, I happen to love the jokes and I loved it when Nickbat revived the Nag's Head as well :y
We all had to meet face to face for the fist time somewhere :y But I understand what you mean. Unfortunately Mrs LD and I couldn't make any of the meets (except the day meet in Essex) last year and it was strange for us!
The meets are really enjoyable and you find that, having met people face to face, it is easier to interpret postings as they are intended. ;)
This year we intend to attend both the Lakes and Newent meets, both of which are a very long way from home, and are looking forward to them :y
So to anyone else who felt the same as jonny, come along and meet some people... You'll find it enjoyable :y
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The original point by Daz was mostly about the fact that OOF just isnt as much fun as it used to be. Imo this is to a certain extent connected to Daz himself. When there was hilarity and mayhem on here most nights he was almost always right in the middle of it, and the really hilarious stuff was usually him/Dundee/Zok/STMO and one or two others taking the p155 out of each other.or collectively taking it from other people.
He has in the last couple of years become a busy man - fixing/breaking/selling cars etc and life is maybe a bit more serious than it once was, and maybe not as much time/energy/inclanation available for hilarity as there used to be ?
I might be well wide of the mark, I dont know,just voicing my thoughts on the subject.
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
The reason I asked Chris :y
There are far better than me at putting things into words, but we all started on The Forum at sometime. I started about 6 months after its birth. The first time I went to anything was a "Cambelt Meet" at The Boys house. I did not know a soul but met The Boy, Elite Pete, Mike Dundee, Timbuk, Mark DTM, Tunnie, JamesV6, Bobo and the list goes on but when after the meet you had something else in common as well as driving an Omega.
Timbuk held a Cambelt Meet which was huge about 20 odd cars got worked on, Members I had not met before turned up had a laugh and a joke and then the fun grew again on the forum after the meet.
The Meets do work wonders for the Forum not only do people get work done for nothing but they make friends that can then carry that friendship on at home through the Forum on the internet.....
Like I said in my orginal post I can write down now who will be at both the Lakes & Newent as the same members go. I also now that at each meet people who I have not met before turn up to have their cars worked on which is great, but not to see them again after until perhaps the following year when again they come for some free work seems to be an insult to me... maybe I am wrong what do you think??
The work that goes into this forum is unbelievable and for me would be a crying shame for it to go to the Dogs. The reason again for my post, as I certainly don't want it to go that way.
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Yes, definately changed, long gone are the nights sat up for hours having a laugh :'(
I still read just about everything, but dont join in too much, (personally, and nothing more, got very bored of all the naked women posts, political debate, climate debate too name a few).
There is imho, a need for more moderation than there was once, I see this as both lines being further crossed than they ever where...but also the OOF audience is worldwide now, not a select group in the pub etc.
Therefore the racist, anti anyone 'English' humor couldn't continue, on the back of this, every minority then jumps in that humour shouldnt be at them etc etc etc.
I also see a lot of us came here to learn, and we have learned, meaning a lot of that sort of post isnt as valued as it once was.
I also this think makes it harder for newbies to get involved. Where a few years ago someone with a problem was far more encoraged to fix it themselves, and be guided through doing it, now the 'way' is to hire help to do it instead. (no bad thing in itself, a very valuble service Ive used myself)
I have made some vey good friends here, which would continue even if the forum didnt, and often wish we could get together more often...There has been the standing joke about the non existant Christmas party...well why dont we actually do it next year? or some winter meets anyway, even if not the traditional camping meet.
Really dont know how to ressurect the oof of old to everyones benefit
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To paraphrase Daz and his comments regarding meets, perhaps wrongly.
Its the Panda syndrome all over again for some OOFers.
Eats (attends the meets)
Shoots (gets work done for nowt)
Leaves (until the next meet when something else needs done and meantime, contributed hee haw to the forum....)
::) :'(
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My personal tuppenceworth and not that of an admin. Timelines of matters of fact may be out of kilter, but the gist is there.
Society in general has changed such that even the quietest of minorities can and do make themselves heard to the extent that the greater good of society changes to accomodate their thoughts and wishes.
OOF originally was a WYSIWYG - what you see is what you get - forum with little or no moderation, simply because none was required. It was about Omegas, how to repair them cheaply and not pay full dealer or garage prices. Such was the ability to share such information via howtoo's and clever folks keen to be online and impart information, freely and at no cost, the forum grew.
There was a demand for an area where anything could be discussed, hence the gendiss area. Again, common sense prevailed and the assorted adults (note 'adults') were able to have a laugh and share jokes and banter at The Nags Head. Look back the old threads and see whats meant.
There were a few very good meets, including a tour round Drax power station courtesy of member miked, and the cameraderie simply grew thereafter.
The Omega got older and less mainstream and its availability to those of us with lesser means became more and more. The forum started to reflect that.
What was initially a relatively small group of enthusiasts quickly became a larger mass of folks wanting to run large expensive, well specced cars on the cheap. With that came a degree of political correctness and some upsets and tears at some of the good natured banter and repartee.
The well learned maxim that religion and politics should not be discussed in a pub with friends was quickly forgotten and such things soon became common place.
As the years continued to turn, so did the mindset of the membership, in my opinion. Gone was the happy understanding that jokes and banter were that and umbrage was taken by some, thus the 'alert mod' option was introduced and with that, came what can be perceived as moderator intervention overload.
As I said earlier elsewhere, we reap what we sow.
If you take the huff about something without having some consideration for others folks standpoint - be that PC or very non PC - and simply 'tell teacher', what do you expect to be the outcome?
OOF is publicly accountable on so many various levels, be that technical, copywrite or some of the PC guff as I outlined, so you have to get what you asked for, within reason.
As said, my tuppenceworth as OOFer and not an admin. Those who have met me in person know that I call a spade a spade and can cuss and blind with the best of them but those that simply launch large on the forum and do not take the very small step to make a meet to show themselves face to face? Ach well, we all need keyboard warriors, I suppose.
If this is a rant, well, I suppose thats now /end rant...
Thanks for reading thus far....
B
So we agree then? I think?
I reckon a leaf out of the top gear book. They get away with it, even though Andy Grey doesn't.
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The original point by Daz was mostly about the fact that OOF just isnt as much fun as it used to be. Imo this is to a certain extent connected to Daz himself. When there was hilarity and mayhem on here most nights he was almost always right in the middle of it, and the really hilarious stuff was usually him/Dundee/Zok/STMO and one or two others taking the p155 out of each other.or collectively taking it from other people.
He has in the last couple of years become a busy man - fixing/breaking/selling cars etc and life is maybe a bit more serious than it once was, and maybe not as much time/energy/inclanation available for hilarity as there used to be ?
I might be well wide of the mark, I dont know,just voicing my thoughts on the subject.
I don't agree there mate.
I am busy yes but have plenty of time to come on here for a laugh ( I am on it now, I was on it last night until after 1am). But I prefer to go on my xbox as here for me as lost its appeal that I used to love.
I love a laugh and a joke, I certainly dont mind jokes on me, if you play tricks etc you should be willing to have them returned..
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Fair enough Daz, just thinking /wodering out loud really.
I cant read your mind......................dont think I would want to :D ;D ;D
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So we agree then? I think?
I reckon a leaf out of the top gear book. They get away with it, even though Andy Grey doesn't.
So many times I have had to bite my tongue and think of the forum rather than share personal opinion, you wouldn't believe.... ::) :-X
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Firstly it's no big news that i can be abit of a cock sometimes. I get a bee in my bonnet & away i go on the wrong tack. I'm the first to admit this & i'm doing my level best to shut up at times. I bought my first Omega a week before getting on the internet, googled Vx Omega & found this place. I did'nt know what an internet car forum was. I can't remember the exact date but the Drax power station meet was about to happen. I was made very welcome on screen & a shortly afterwards attended the first Lakesmeet were i was made equally welcome in person (Jonnycool read this & attend a meet, you'll love it) I know at times i don't help the easy running of the forum but for every time i kick off there are two or three times i bite my lip & don't post. That said i've made a few very good friends here who i sometimes meet up with outside the forum as well as at meets
Daz. Regarding meets i'd love to attend more than i do. Some of you must be earning a shed load more than i am because much as i'm willing to drive 600 miles (a days work) i can't afford the money or time off work to do 'em all plus i have my classic meets to consider, not just OOF. This years 5th birthday Lakes falls a week before my Fir Park classic do. I dunno if i can take two weekends off in a row or if i can afford to plus i've got to go back into hospital some time this year so there goes my holiday pay ...again. Some of us have problems/hobbies outside the forum.
That said i still love it here & think the changes are purely down to the growing number of members & thier differing opinions.
Has OOF become a victim of it's own success?
If so then we all have to adjust.
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
The reason I asked Chris :y
There are far better than me at putting things into words, but we all started on The Forum at sometime. I started about 6 months after its birth. The first time I went to anything was a "Cambelt Meet" at The Boys house. I did not know a soul but met The Boy, Elite Pete, Mike Dundee, Timbuk, Mark DTM, Tunnie, JamesV6, Bobo and the list goes on but when after the meet you had something else in common as well as driving an Omega.
Timbuk held a Cambelt Meet which was huge about 20 odd cars got worked on, Members I had not met before turned up had a laugh and a joke and then the fun grew again on the forum after the meet.
The Meets do work wonders for the Forum not only do people get work done for nothing but they make friends that can then carry that friendship on at home through the Forum on the internet.....
Like I said in my orginal post I can write down now who will be at both the Lakes & Newent as the same members go. I also now that at each meet people who I have not met before turn up to have their cars worked on which is great, but not to see them again after until perhaps the following year when again they come for some free work seems to be an insult to me... maybe I am wrong what do you think??
The work that goes into this forum is unbelievable and for me would be a crying shame for it to go to the Dogs. The reason again for my post, as I certainly don't want it to go that way.
The meets are great events and I have to agree that you could probably write the list of attendee's on the confirmed list right now!
The perception of 'jobs for free' is indeed a problem, not sure how that one would be resolved because people could see the forum as then being 'elitist' and only the long standing members having the big jobs being done on their cars.
As H21 has hinted, these cars are getting older and cheaper which brings an entirely different member base to the forum form 6 / 7 years ago (trying very hard here not to sound elitist myself! ::)), more members is good but more people ultimately brings more diverse subject matter to general chat and more potential for disagreement.
It takes a huge amount of moderation to manage this forum which takes huge amounts of peoples time, the more disagreements and problems this forum encounters the closer I feel it gets to reaching it's endpoint, which to me and many others on here would be a disaster and a situation that should never be reached.
We must make sure this conclusion is never reached!
I'm afraid I don't have any answers, only observations and to end with a line so often used by others because of the tender state we now live in....
Just my two penneth worth, nothing more, nothing less, no offence intended or implied... etc etc etc...
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So what we all seem to be agreeing on is that the winter blues do affect the forum... As in, there seems to be a lull because of the lack of meets? :-? So, moving on from this, perhaps we need to try thinking forwards to find something/somewhere suitable for a cold weather bash? :-/
As Jimbob has said... I too have made some friends through here that I would keep in touch with if the unthinkable happened :y In fact, I do see people I have met through here and thoroughly enjoy it!
That said, I hope this "problem" is just, as I stated in my first post, dip in the cycle of the life of OOF :y
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My personal tuppenceworth and not that of an admin. Timelines of matters of fact may be out of kilter, but the gist is there.
Society in general has changed such that even the quietest of minorities can and do make themselves heard to the extent that the greater good of society changes to accomodate their thoughts and wishes.
OOF originally was a WYSIWYG - what you see is what you get - forum with little or no moderation, simply because none was required. It was about Omegas, how to repair them cheaply and not pay full dealer or garage prices. Such was the ability to share such information via howtoo's and clever folks keen to be online and impart information, freely and at no cost, the forum grew.
There was a demand for an area where anything could be discussed, hence the gendiss area. Again, common sense prevailed and the assorted adults (note 'adults') were able to have a laugh and share jokes and banter at The Nags Head. Look back the old threads and see whats meant.
There were a few very good meets, including a tour round Drax power station courtesy of member miked, and the cameraderie simply grew thereafter.
The Omega got older and less mainstream and its availability to those of us with lesser means became more and more. The forum started to reflect that.
What was initially a relatively small group of enthusiasts quickly became a larger mass of folks wanting to run large expensive, well specced cars on the cheap. With that came a degree of political correctness and some upsets and tears at some of the good natured banter and repartee.
The well learned maxim that religion and politics should not be discussed in a pub with friends was quickly forgotten and such things soon became common place.
As the years continued to turn, so did the mindset of the membership, in my opinion. Gone was the happy understanding that jokes and banter were that and umbrage was taken by some, thus the 'alert mod' option was introduced and with that, came what can be perceived as moderator intervention overload.
As I said earlier elsewhere, we reap what we sow.
If you take the huff about something without having some consideration for others folks standpoint - be that PC or very non PC - and simply 'tell teacher', what do you expect to be the outcome?
OOF is publicly accountable on so many various levels, be that technical, copywrite or some of the PC guff as I outlined, so you have to get what you asked for, within reason.
As said, my tuppenceworth as OOFer and not an admin. Those who have met me in person know that I call a spade a spade and can cuss and blind with the best of them but those that simply launch large on the forum and do not take the very small step to make a meet to show themselves face to face? Ach well, we all need keyboard warriors, I suppose.
If this is a rant, well, I suppose thats now /end rant...
Thanks for reading thus far....
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So we agree then? I think?
I reckon a leaf out of the top gear book. They get away with it, even though Andy Grey doesn't.
apparently not , even Top Gear has fallen prey to the madness http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12361790
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H21 hit nail on the head, when I bought my facelift, I paid £2.5k in 2005. Back then facelifts were easily worth £10k+ - With Prefacelifts still fetching a good price. Now even the most expensive examples are £3 or £4k, they are rare, most are sub £1k.
As H21 suggested thats had a direct affect on the type of people buying the Omega.
For me there was more of a club feeling few years ago everyone posted everywhere, now General Help is mostly newbies posting questions with established members posting technical replies (for the most part)
Past few years have seen influx of members who just sit in General Discussion, they don't post replies to any of the technical help section questions, they just post crap topics in General Chat and stir up trouble.
I remember the first ever OOF meet in the Lakes, with Bob Dent, H21, TB, Zok, AA, Timbuck, Jimbob, Tony and loads of others who I forget their user ID's :(
The game of football was great example of OOF at the time, where else could you play footie (which i generally don't like) while carrying a can of larger? :)
Last meet i went to, York II really showed the change in OOF, I don't think we will ever see a return to what it was.
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Well i'd love to be on here every night Daz but when the wifes feeling frisky well oof gets the bullet ;D :D :y
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H21 hit nail on the head, when I bought my facelift, I paid £2.5k in 2005. Back then facelifts were easily worth £10k+ - With Prefacelifts still fetching a good price. Now even the most expensive examples are £3 or £4k, they are rare, most are sub £1k.
As H21 suggested thats had a direct affect on the type of people buying the Omega.
For me there was more of a club feeling few years ago everyone posted everywhere, now General Help is mostly newbies posting questions with established members posting technical replies (for the most part)
Past few years have seen influx of members who just sit in General Discussion, they don't post replies to any of the technical help section questions, they just post crap topics in General Chat and stir up trouble.
I remember the first ever OOF meet in the Lakes, with Bob Dent, H21, TB, Zok, AA, Timbuck, Jimbob, Tony and loads of others who I forget their user ID's :(
The game of football was great example of OOF at the time, where else could you play footie (which i generally don't like) while carrying a can of larger? :)
Last meet i went to, York II really showed the change in OOF, I don't think we will ever see a return to what it was.
That'll be me then
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Well i'd love to be on here every night Daz but when the wifes feeling frisky well oof gets the bullet ;D :D :y
I don't blame ya mate, if ya need a hand give me a shout ;D
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On the subject of meets, I'd love to meet some of the characters on here, but I hesitated to go to Newent this year, as I didn't know whether I would have felt comfortable with a group of people that know each other so well. Maybe this puts other newer members off? There's no doubt that I would have been made welcome, even though I'm not that well known on here, but I'm quite quiet so Daz, I'll try and make the effort next time :-[ ....
Get a cheque sent off to Daz for next year's Newent meet, you're only 50 miles away. I suppose you could just come for the day to put faces to names & forum names. You'd be made more than welcome.
I'm sure that next year we'll be holding another Human Bucking Bronco competition & an axe murderer preparation/training course! ::) ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Last meet i went to, York II really showed the change in OOF, I don't think we will ever see a return to what it was.
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We had a great time on our side of the field. :-? :-?
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Last meet i went to, York II really showed the change in OOF, I don't think we will ever see a return to what it was.
:-?
We had a great time on our side of the field. :-? :-?
Thats the whole point, there were two sides. :(
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ooooh goody :o can i get my name down for the prep/training course , everytime i go to chop someones head off the HSE jump in and ask for my tickets etc >:( i've been looking everywhere for night school courses etc but no-ne seems to do them round my way :y :y :y
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ooooh goody :o can i get my name down for the prep/training course , everytime i go to chop someones head off the HSE jump in and ask for my tickets etc >:( i've been looking everywhere for night school courses etc but no-ne seems to do them round my way :y :y :y
Speak to sixstring. He's yer man..... ;)
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ooooh goody :o can i get my name down for the prep/training course , everytime i go to chop someones head off the HSE jump in and ask for my tickets etc >:( i've been looking everywhere for night school courses etc but no-ne seems to do them round my way :y :y :y
Speak to sixstring. He's yer man..... ;)
Is he? you must have being seeing something different Highlander ;D
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Last meet i went to, York II really showed the change in OOF, I don't think we will ever see a return to what it was.
:-?
We had a great time on our side of the field. :-? :-?
Thats the whole point, there were two sides. :(
'our' side was pitched first! :P :P :P
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ooooh goody :o can i get my name down for the prep/training course , everytime i go to chop someones head off the HSE jump in and ask for my tickets etc >:( i've been looking everywhere for night school courses etc but no-ne seems to do them round my way :y :y :y
Speak to sixstring. He's yer man..... ;)
Note to self - Steal Borrow wood from fathers wood stack and bring to Newent.....
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ooooh goody :o can i get my name down for the prep/training course , everytime i go to chop someones head off the HSE jump in and ask for my tickets etc >:( i've been looking everywhere for night school courses etc but no-ne seems to do them round my way :y :y :y
Speak to sixstring. He's yer man..... ;)
Note to self - Steal Borrow wood from fathers wood stack and bring to Newent.....
Either that or bring a sharp axe and a solid surface to bash the tree against.... ;D
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
Like I said in my orginal post I can write down now who will be at both the Lakes & Newent as the same members go. I also now that at each meet people who I have not met before turn up to have their cars worked on which is great, but not to see them again after until perhaps the following year when again they come for some free work seems to be an insult to me... maybe I am wrong what do you think??
Yes I agree, that is frustrating and a little rude to say the least. >:( I have withdrawn a little from offering help tbh.
So re oof it's a pc world we live in and we suffer a little because of it?
I've had thoughts of a non public section, say for members with over 1k or 5k posts or something along those lines. Can't see it working though, breeds distrust I guess? And a queue of people moaning they can't get in AND can't sell their car. I also often wonder that the real forum exists in the admin discussions we don't see, I imagine some serious pesh taking behind the scenes.
And I still struggle putting the words down to the level others do too. Mum was right, I should have gone to school. ;)
Er, yeah rambling now. :-[. ;D
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ooooh goody :o can i get my name down for the prep/training course , everytime i go to chop someones head off the HSE jump in and ask for my tickets etc >:( i've been looking everywhere for night school courses etc but no-ne seems to do them round my way :y :y :y
Speak to sixstring. He's yer man..... ;)
Note to self - Steal Borrow wood from fathers wood stack and bring to Newent.....
melons , lots and lots of melons ......................... sorry bout that the local ladies gym just went running past my window , where was i ? .............
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I also often wonder that the real forum exists in the admin discussions we don't see, I imagine some serious pesh taking behind the scenes.
If only :'(. Let me assure you that tonights discussion pretty much mirrors this thread... ...hmm, it was started by the same person ;D
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
Like I said in my orginal post I can write down now who will be at both the Lakes & Newent as the same members go. I also now that at each meet people who I have not met before turn up to have their cars worked on which is great, but not to see them again after until perhaps the following year when again they come for some free work seems to be an insult to me... maybe I am wrong what do you think??
Yes I agree, that is frustrating and a little rude to say the least. >:( I have withdrawn a little from offering help tbh.
So re oof it's a pc world we live in and we suffer a little because of it?
I've had thoughts of a non public section, say for members with over 1k or 5k posts or something along those lines. Can't see it working though, breeds distrust I guess? And a queue of people moaning they can't get in AND can't sell their car. I also often wonder that the real forum exists in the admin discussions we don't see, I imagine some serious pesh taking behind the scenes.
And I still struggle putting the words down to the level others do too. Mum was right, I should have gone to school. ;)
Er, yeah rambling now. :-[. ;D
Not sure havig a select area would work, I have heard people saying that it is clicky on here. I don't think it , just that a few know each other quiet well owing to the Meets.
I think the moral of all this is If we can get some more members to the Meets they will enjoy it and make friends irt is a huge Ice Breaker...
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Last meet i went to, York II really showed the change in OOF, I don't think we will ever see a return to what it was.
:-?
We had a great time on our side of the field. :-? :-?
Thats the whole point, there were two sides. :(
'our' side was pitched first! :P :P :P
No it wasn't Mr B .........
We were the first on site, and Daz'll vouch for that, as moi had to fix-up all the signage!
;D ;D ;D
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Christ have I got to drive a gazillion miles to the land of sheep and hills where me Mum lives?
Better get me LPG sorted out then, where's Lazytinker? :)
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As someone famously said;
"why can't we learn to get along ?" :D :D
We only live once, make the best of it, talk 'dangle berries' every now and again but treat ppl how you want to be treated 8-)
As a ex-member of the emergency services, not the 4th ::), life is short, make the most of it :y
:-X
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Christ have I got to drive a gazillion miles to the land of sheep and hills where me Mum lives?
Better get me LPG sorted out then, where's Lazytinker? :)
You called? :D :D
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Last meet i went to, York II really showed the change in OOF, I don't think we will ever see a return to what it was.
:-?
We had a great time on our side of the field. :-? :-?
Thats the whole point, there were two sides. :(
'our' side was pitched first! :P :P :P
No it wasn't Mr B .........
We were the first on site, and Daz'll vouch for that, as moi had to fix-up all the signage!
;D ;D ;D
A Confused Welshman ;D ;D ;D
The York Meet B, not Newent they are talking about ;D ;D ;D
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I also often wonder that the real forum exists in the admin discussions we don't see, I imagine some serious pesh taking behind the scenes.
If only :'(. Let me assure you that tonights discussion pretty much mirrors this thread... ...hmm, it was started by the same person ;D
Same conclusion I guess?
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Christ have I got to drive a gazillion miles to the land of sheep and hills where me Mum lives?
Better get me LPG sorted out then, where's Lazytinker? :)
You called? :D :D
Oh, he's been banged up! Not the smartest move, locking up our LPG supplier. ;D
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8 pages, 106 replies, 1525 views.
No bad language, no slagging off, folks READING and THINKING about what the other person has said.
Some lighthearted comments.
Some folks being very honest.
Constructive not destructive thoughts.
Good advice.
exactly what the forum should be .. which just proves it is still possible for the froum to be what it always was .. a fun place that also gives help.
It just needs EVERYONE to think before pressing the send button .... I was told a long time ago when was I was first invited to help mod a site ...
"Post in Haste, Repent at Leisure, Double your Workload"
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ooooh goody :o can i get my name down for the prep/training course , everytime i go to chop someones head off the HSE jump in and ask for my tickets etc >:( i've been looking everywhere for night school courses etc but no-ne seems to do them round my way :y :y :y
Speak to sixstring. He's yer man..... ;)
Note to self - Steal Borrow wood from fathers wood stack and bring to Newent.....
Either that or bring a sharp axe and a solid surface to bash the tree against.... ;D
I was always taught to saw (Chainsaw as i'm a lazy sod!) the wood into logs then use the axe to split the logs.... I don't think an axe is really the right tool for attacking half a tree with!
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Last meet i went to, York II really showed the change in OOF, I don't think we will ever see a return to what it was.
:-?
We had a great time on our side of the field. :-? :-?
Thats the whole point, there were two sides. :(
'our' side was pitched first! :P :P :P
No it wasn't Mr B .........
We were the first on site, and Daz'll vouch for that, as moi had to fix-up all the signage!
;D ;D ;D
Wrong meet Byron! ;D ;D ;D ;D
York II! ;)
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Not anymore! Found "not guilty" by association with mrs LD's cooking ;D ;D Just forgot to change my avatar and not going to try on the phone!
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8 pages, 106 replies, 1525 views.
No bad language, no slagging off, folks READING and THINKING about what the other person has said.
Some lighthearted comments.
Some folks being very honest.
Constructive not destructive thoughts.
Good advice.
exactly what the forum should be .. which just proves it is still possible for the froum to be what it always was .. a fun place that also gave help.
It just needs EVERYONE to think before pressing the send button .... I was told a long time ago when was I was first invited I first to help mod a site ...
"Post in Haste, Repent at Leisure, Double your Workload"
Another site? Don't tell Jaime if it's a Caravan one otherwise you'll recieve a pack of Swan Vesta's through the post every morning!
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
Like I said in my orginal post I can write down now who will be at both the Lakes & Newent as the same members go. I also now that at each meet people who I have not met before turn up to have their cars worked on which is great, but not to see them again after until perhaps the following year when again they come for some free work seems to be an insult to me... maybe I am wrong what do you think??
Yes I agree, that is frustrating and a little rude to say the least. >:( I have withdrawn a little from offering help tbh.
So re oof it's a pc world we live in and we suffer a little because of it?
I've had thoughts of a non public section, say for members with over 1k or 5k posts or something along those lines. Can't see it working though, breeds distrust I guess? And a queue of people moaning they can't get in AND can't sell their car. I also often wonder that the real forum exists in the admin discussions we don't see, I imagine some serious pesh taking behind the scenes.
And I still struggle putting the words down to the level others do too. Mum was right, I should have gone to school. ;)
Er, yeah rambling now. :-[. ;D
Not sure havig a select area would work, I have heard people saying that it is clicky on here. I don't think it , just that a few know each other quiet well owing to the Meets.
I think the moral of all this is If we can get some more members to the Meets they will enjoy it and make friends irt is a huge Ice Breaker...
i believe that a certain someone , not too far away would be crying right now if that were the case ::) one day your riding high then .......BAM ! your post count is slahed and your back with us newer guys and seperated from your buddies 8-) back with the proles , cast down from the ivory tower upon high , that which you once surveyed far below you now clawing at you , sucking the knowledge from your very soul desperate to become one of the chosen few .......... would feel a bit clicky , but you are the guys who made this forum what it is so i think its only right that you get to have a little priveledged banter amongst yourselves , i know its an all inclusive kinda place but every club/social gathering has its little clique's its just how it is i reckons .
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Last meet i went to, York II really showed the change in OOF, I don't think we will ever see a return to what it was.
:-?
We had a great time on our side of the field. :-? :-?
Thats the whole point, there were two sides. :(
'our' side was pitched first! :P :P :P
No it wasn't Mr B .........
We were the first on site, and Daz'll vouch for that, as moi had to fix-up all the signage!
;D ;D ;D
Wrong meet Byron! ;D ;D ;D ;D
York II! ;)
I am so pleased about that, Byron is a chap I want to meet and thought I had managed a whole weekend without making his acquaintance.... ::) ::) ::)
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I have only been here for a year or so and my only previous forum experience was with model helicopter forums.
I have been made very welcome here and spend way to much time trawling through the various sections and try to input when I can,I don't know what it used to be like so can't comment on that but this is by far the most helpful freindly place that I have visited.As far as I am concerned keep up the good work everyone :y :y :y
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Two of you have bought lack of money & technical knowledge into what could but fortunately has'nt descended into a row. I think i understand the points you make but your comments could sound very patronizing to others with little money or expertise.
I'm niether rich or broke but if i was on minimum wage struggling to run the cheapest Mig i could find such comments might put me off asking for help or even joining up in the first place.
Just a thought, Guy. :-/
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Two of you have bought lack of money & technical knowledge into what could but fortunately has'nt descended into a row. I think i understand the points you make but your comments could sound very patronizing to others with little money or expertise.
I'm niether rich or broke but if i was on minimum wage struggling to run the cheapest Mig i could find such comments might put me off asking for help or even joining up in the first place.
Just a thought, Guy. :-/
They could.... if CHOSEN to be interpreted that way, however a tiny amount of thought would indicate the comments were being made to explain a possible reason for the changes to the forum .. and were not pointed at anyone, or any group, in particular.
As said before .. its about considering what the person is TRYING to say instead of taking everything literaly ..
Tolerance and understanding ..... laced with a little thought and patience .. :)
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
Like I said in my orginal post I can write down now who will be at both the Lakes & Newent as the same members go. I also now that at each meet people who I have not met before turn up to have their cars worked on which is great, but not to see them again after until perhaps the following year when again they come for some free work seems to be an insult to me... maybe I am wrong what do you think??
Yes I agree, that is frustrating and a little rude to say the least. >:( I have withdrawn a little from offering help tbh.
So re oof it's a pc world we live in and we suffer a little because of it?
I've had thoughts of a non public section, say for members with over 1k or 5k posts or something along those lines. Can't see it working though, breeds distrust I guess? And a queue of people moaning they can't get in AND can't sell their car. I also often wonder that the real forum exists in the admin discussions we don't see, I imagine some serious pesh taking behind the scenes.
And I still struggle putting the words down to the level others do too. Mum was right, I should have gone to school. ;)
Er, yeah rambling now. :-[. ;D
Not sure havig a select area would work, I have heard people saying that it is clicky on here. I don't think it , just that a few know each other quiet well owing to the Meets.
I think the moral of all this is If we can get some more members to the Meets they will enjoy it and make friends irt is a huge Ice Breaker...
Daz has hit the nail on the head here ......
I reckon that us Sethsmates can now be classed as 'Newent regulars' - and we should be there again this year.
Cliques can exist in any situation - but do they bother me? Answer 'NO' - simply because if I/we didn't feel comfortable with any given 'goings on' then we'd walk away and not waste our time. Meets are a great way to put faces to names, meet like-minded people, and 'break down the barriers'. I'm sure that Daz would confirm that I'm presently working on several local OOFers to join us at Newent, and I too see these meets as one way forward.
Love 'em!
Personally, I've had some help from fellow members (and Admins too!), and it's been great to return the favours when possible and put something back in to the forum.
(Right, time for another bottle of Newky me thinks!)
:y :y :y - long may OOF continue everyone!
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Two of you have bought lack of money & technical knowledge into .....
Which two? :-? ;) ;) :y :y
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
Like I said in my orginal post I can write down now who will be at both the Lakes & Newent as the same members go. I also now that at each meet people who I have not met before turn up to have their cars worked on which is great, but not to see them again after until perhaps the following year when again they come for some free work seems to be an insult to me... maybe I am wrong what do you think??
Yes I agree, that is frustrating and a little rude to say the least. >:( I have withdrawn a little from offering help tbh.
So re oof it's a pc world we live in and we suffer a little because of it?
I've had thoughts of a non public section, say for members with over 1k or 5k posts or something along those lines. Can't see it working though, breeds distrust I guess? And a queue of people moaning they can't get in AND can't sell their car. I also often wonder that the real forum exists in the admin discussions we don't see, I imagine some serious pesh taking behind the scenes.
And I still struggle putting the words down to the level others do too. Mum was right, I should have gone to school. ;)
Er, yeah rambling now. :-[. ;D
Don't be ridiculous, i've got a car here that would benefit from new Donut bushes and another one that could be done so you don't lose the knack!
You know you want too! ::) :y
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
Like I said in my orginal post I can write down now who will be at both the Lakes & Newent as the same members go. I also now that at each meet people who I have not met before turn up to have their cars worked on which is great, but not to see them again after until perhaps the following year when again they come for some free work seems to be an insult to me... maybe I am wrong what do you think??
Yes I agree, that is frustrating and a little rude to say the least. >:( I have withdrawn a little from offering help tbh.
So re oof it's a pc world we live in and we suffer a little because of it?
I've had thoughts of a non public section, say for members with over 1k or 5k posts or something along those lines. Can't see it working though, breeds distrust I guess? And a queue of people moaning they can't get in AND can't sell their car. I also often wonder that the real forum exists in the admin discussions we don't see, I imagine some serious pesh taking behind the scenes.
And I still struggle putting the words down to the level others do too. Mum was right, I should have gone to school. ;)
Er, yeah rambling now. :-[. ;D
Don't be ridiculous, i've got a car here that would benefit from new Donut bushes and another one that could be done so you don't lose the knack!
You know you want too! ::) :y
Eh!! I thought I was going to prime him ;D
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I'm interested to hear what Daz thinks. Clearly it's changed for the worse for him. I wonder if he see's a reason for it...?
Like I said in my orginal post I can write down now who will be at both the Lakes & Newent as the same members go. I also now that at each meet people who I have not met before turn up to have their cars worked on which is great, but not to see them again after until perhaps the following year when again they come for some free work seems to be an insult to me... maybe I am wrong what do you think??
Yes I agree, that is frustrating and a little rude to say the least. >:( I have withdrawn a little from offering help tbh.
So re oof it's a pc world we live in and we suffer a little because of it?
I've had thoughts of a non public section, say for members with over 1k or 5k posts or something along those lines. Can't see it working though, breeds distrust I guess? And a queue of people moaning they can't get in AND can't sell their car. I also often wonder that the real forum exists in the admin discussions we don't see, I imagine some serious pesh taking behind the scenes.
And I still struggle putting the words down to the level others do too. Mum was right, I should have gone to school. ;)
Er, yeah rambling now. :-[. ;D
Don't be ridiculous, i've got a car here that would benefit from new Donut bushes and another one that could be done so you don't lose the knack!
You know you want too! ::) :y
Did someone mention Donuts? :-/ ;D
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Loo Knee - I can delete the post! Wind the Forum back a few mins!
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Here's the real spirit of OOF I reckon:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283708443
and here:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283700518
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Here's the real spirit of OOF I reckon:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283708443
and a good time was had by all ..........
when we found it! ;D ;D ;D
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Here's the real spirit of OOF I reckon:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283708443
and a good time was had by all ..........
when we found it! ;D ;D ;D
Then you should have followed my signs dear boy!
As in: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283352341
;D ;D ;D
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Here's the real spirit of OOF I reckon:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283708443
and a good time was had by all ..........
when we found it! ;D ;D ;D
Then you should have followed my signs dear boy!
As in: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283352341
;D ;D ;D
If you remember, you were late putting them up ..... ;)
or did we get there before you put the pink signs up? ::) ;D ;D ;D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Here's the real spirit of OOF I reckon:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283708443
and a good time was had by all ..........
when we found it! ;D ;D ;D
Then you should have followed my signs dear boy!
As in: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283352341
;D ;D ;D
If you remember, you were late putting them up ..... ;)
or did we get there before you put the pink signs up? ::) ;D ;D ;D
:-/
Crikey mate, can't remember now Andy .......
Perhaps I'd been 'distracted' by our Broocie and DLK? :D
Signed: The Confused Welshman ;D
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Here's the real spirit of OOF I reckon:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283708443
and a good time was had by all ..........
when we found it! ;D ;D ;D
Then you should have followed my signs dear boy!
As in: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283352341
;D ;D ;D
If you remember, you were late putting them up ..... ;)
or did we get there before you put the pink signs up? ::) ;D ;D ;D
Still, well done on turning the pikey palace round in the middle of Newent Andy.
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh he's good at that and has had plenty of practice ;D
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Here's the real spirit of OOF I reckon:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283708443
and a good time was had by all ..........
when we found it! ;D ;D ;D
Then you should have followed my signs dear boy!
As in: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283352341
;D ;D ;D
If you remember, you were late putting them up ..... ;)
or did we get there before you put the pink signs up? ::) ;D ;D ;D
:-/
Crikey mate, can't remember now Andy .......
Perhaps I'd been 'distracted' by our Broocie and DLK? :D
Signed: The Confused Welshman ;D
;D ;D ;D we arrived Thursday afternoon just before the signs went up. Having been there once I'll remember next year. :y :y :y
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
Thanks for your kind appreciation Mr Wyatt! ;D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
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Oh he's good at that and has had plenty of practice ;D
I suspect that you're being rude Pete! ::) ::)
;D ;D ;D
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Two of you have bought lack of money & technical knowledge into what could but fortunately has'nt descended into a row. I think i understand the points you make but your comments could sound very patronizing to others with little money or expertise.
I'm niether rich or broke but if i was on minimum wage struggling to run the cheapest Mig i could find such comments might put me off asking for help or even joining up in the first place.
Just a thought, Guy. :-/
They could.... if CHOSEN to be interpreted that way, however a tiny amount of thought would indicate the comments were being made to explain a possible reason for the changes to the forum .. and were not pointed at anyone, or any group, in particular.
As said before .. its about considering what the person is TRYING to say instead of taking everything literaly ..
Tolerance and understanding ..... laced with a little thought and patience .. :)
Indeed. For once i was'nt offended as i know them both better. I only meant it might look different to a new member. :y
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
Excellent ;D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
I'll make sure that if I/we ever need guiding into anywhere in the future we'll phone you !!!!! :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
I'll make sure that if I/we ever need guiding into anywhere in the future we'll phone you !!!!! :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
How does one get THE number then? ;D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
I'll make sure that if I/we ever need guiding into anywhere in the future we'll phone you !!!!! :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
How does one get THE number then? ;D
Give DLK a shout, he is selling it..... :D :D :D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
I'll make sure that if I/we ever need guiding into anywhere in the future we'll phone you !!!!! :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
It will be my pleasure to lend you both a hand ;D
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Daz, do you operate your own premium rate phone line? ;D
If not, that's a missed opportunity.
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is the first that I've heard about this 'carry-on' ............
Honest :-?
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is the first that I've heard about this 'carry-on' ............
Honest :-?
Really? And nobody ever exaggerates a topic here. ;D ;D ;D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is the first that I've heard about this 'carry-on' ............
Honest :-?
Really? And nobody ever exaggerates a topic here. ;D ;D ;D
'course not ........... :)
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
I'll make sure that if I/we ever need guiding into anywhere in the future we'll phone you !!!!! :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
How does one get THE number then? ;D
It's written in magic marker on many of the phone boxes in Massive (another of his money making ventures). ;D ;D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
I'll make sure that if I/we ever need guiding into anywhere in the future we'll phone you !!!!! :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
How does one get THE number then? ;D
It's written in magic marker on many of the phone boxes in Massive (another of his money making ventures). ;D ;D
The 'Great One' is something of an entrepreneur then John? :D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
I'll make sure that if I/we ever need guiding into anywhere in the future we'll phone you !!!!! :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
How does one get THE number then? ;D
It's written in magic marker on many of the phone boxes in Massive (another of his money making ventures). ;D ;D
The 'Great One' is something of an entrepreneur then John? :D
Magic marker is cheaper than business cards. ;D
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
I'll make sure that if I/we ever need guiding into anywhere in the future we'll phone you !!!!! :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
How does one get THE number then? ;D
It's written in magic marker on many of the phone boxes in Massive (another of his money making ventures). ;D ;D
The 'Great One' is something of an entrepreneur then John? :D
Magic marker is cheaper than business cards. ;D
Can't fault our master for being 'economical' ;D
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I have been a member on here for just over a year and fit into the budget Omega owner catagory by a long shot.I must admit that I managed to get to Woolaton Park and The Lakes last year and didn't fell out of place with my shed on wheels not being judged or frowned upon in comparison to the rest of the OOFers that were there.I have found the forum to be more than helpful in keeping my wreck going and am more than grateful.I have also been able to help other members on this forum with my limited ability and nobody has got injured in the process! I don't know what it was like at the beginning but as many have posted things do change.I hope that things don't get too depressing as it is a very good site to visit and wish everyone all the best in the future.
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Yes indeed, just look at how things have perked-up on this thread over the last couple of hours!
:y :y :y
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Just split 'General Discussion' into two sections....
1....Anything goes...no PC, etc....any jokes, etc, etc...Do not enter if you are easily offended, religeous or habitat the moral high ground.
2....PC only, NO JOKES..no offensive language, etc, no contraversial input, no slagging off individuals etc, no racism etc
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All the above content is only meant as 'tongue in cheek' and not in a serious vein.........however, I have a vision in my own mind as to which section would receive the most postings ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So we agree then? I think?
I reckon a leaf out of the top gear book. They get away with it, even though Andy Grey doesn't.
So many times I have had to bite my tongue and think of the forum rather than share personal opinion, you wouldn't believe.... ::) :-X
Oh i so wish you'd go for it, go on, both barrells. Come out to play more H, break em. :y
Or maybe just one barell then, closely followed by the other :)
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So we agree then? I think?
I reckon a leaf out of the top gear book. They get away with it, even though Andy Grey doesn't.
So many times I have had to bite my tongue and think of the forum rather than share personal opinion, you wouldn't believe.... ::) :-X
Oh i so wish you'd go for it, go on, both barrells. Come out to play more H, break em. :y
Or maybe just one barell then, closely followed by the other :)
What are you two, a pair of lazy Mexicans? ::) ;D
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So we agree then? I think?
I reckon a leaf out of the top gear book. They get away with it, even though Andy Grey doesn't.
So many times I have had to bite my tongue and think of the forum rather than share personal opinion, you wouldn't believe.... ::) :-X
Oh i so wish you'd go for it, go on, both barrells. Come out to play more H, break em. :y
Or maybe just one barell then, closely followed by the other :)
What are you two, a pair of lazy Mexicans? ::) ;D
;D ;D
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So we agree then? I think?
I reckon a leaf out of the top gear book. They get away with it, even though Andy Grey doesn't.
So many times I have had to bite my tongue and think of the forum rather than share personal opinion, you wouldn't believe.... ::) :-X
Oh i so wish you'd go for it, go on, both barrells. Come out to play more H, break em. :y
Or maybe just one barell then, closely followed by the other :)
What are you two, a pair of lazy Mexicans? ::) ;D
Don't mention Top Gear and Mexicans you are all doomed ;D
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Personally I find the moral high ground/superior/better than you contest on here very distasteful. We all breath the same air and pay the same tax IMO. Keep the finger wagging out of it...?
I know the jokes restrictions on here keeps some away, Bob Dent is missing because of it afaict. Which is a shame. Mick Dundee has gone, admins rarely come out to play anymore. Which I find worrying, if they feel they can't enjoy their own forum then we're in trouble. And it is "theirs" I don't care what anyone says, regardless of the generous oof philosophy "it's your forum" approach. yet there seems to be a queue of people telling them how to run it, moaning and giving them grief.
Maybe it's over policed a little because of that? But having not seen the forum in it's early days it's difficult to say for me.
Certainly Found the place very dull since Xmas, starting to pic up now though.
Just some general thoughts, might well be talking 'dangle berries' again for all I know. ;D
I'm still here from time to time Chris, just not as much as I used to. ;) Yes, I found it sad that when some jokes were posted that there were always those who like to shoot you down for reasons of political correctness or the like, so I just don't bother posting jokes anymore. I do however get fed up with some of the nastiness that creeps in on here sometimes when someone doesn't agree with another's opinion of something. Anyway, I've still got my Omega and a lot of friends on here so I'll be around on here for a while yet! ;) :y
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Bob, it's a bit of a tiny pic so I'm squinting, but the estate in your sig looks gorgeous.
Don't really see a problem with this place. I don't run it, I don't contribute money to keeping it going so I don't believe I am in a position to criticise it in any way. The advice from here is excellent, and Lee bent over backwards to help me sort out my cam cover gaskets - I owe him for that (way more than just a can of carb cleaner) and hope very soon I'll be able to put a bunce his way.
So a big thumbs up from me. :y
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Bob, it's a bit of a tiny pic so I'm squinting, but the estate in your sig looks gorgeous.
Don't really see a problem with this place. I don't run it, I don't contribute money to keeping it going so I don't believe I am in a position to criticise it in any way. The advice from here is excellent, and Lee bent over backwards to help me sort out my cam cover gaskets - I owe him for that (way more than just a can of carb cleaner) and hope very soon I'll be able to put a bunce his way.
So a big thumbs up from me. :y
:y 8-) :y
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Well, i've just trawled through all eleven pages to get the full SP before putting my 2p worth in (got a headache now & nearly snow blind with all the unrelenting white, as I didn't dare take my eyes off the screen in case I missed owt! ::))
Around two years i've been here, give or take an oil change, so i'm still a newbie in terms of the time the OOF has been around. I've gotten far, far more out of the OOF & some of it's individual Members than I can ever give back, but try & do my bit by helping with photo's, passing on my experiences with my own car & occassionally talking bullsh*t! :-[
I bought my Omega at a time when I thought I wasn't going to be around for that much longer, & it was a car I had always loved & wanted but never would have dreamed of actually owning under 'normal' circumstances, (so I guess i'm one of the undesirable poor who have gained Omega ownership by default ;)) but at the time I thought sod it! we are all born equal & death is a great leveller as they say, & the credit card company were welcome to take it out of my nose after I was gone ;D
This place helped me through a rough patch both personally & mechanically, & i've learned more here in 2 years with you lot than I could in a lifetime anywhere else. I've wet my pants a fair few times at the jokes & banter, lost count of the times i've sprayed tea all over my keyboard, been happy at other Members good news & equally sad or sorry when the news is bad, & yes i've taken umbrage at some Posts i've perceived as slights against me or my 'values', but it is easy to type words on a keyboard & send them into the ether when you don't actually 'know' the people you're interacting with, & I think most of us have been guilty as charged in that respect?
I did attend one planned Meet, which was admittedly only 5 miles from my home & I wasn't fit enough then for anything further ;D, but no-one else turned up for various reasons, (I think they'd been warned I would be there! ::))
I'm retired for health reasons (work didn't agree with me, & as swmbo says, i'm good for bugger all! :D) & my p*ss poor private pension only goes so far so the long distance Meets generally aren't viable :( but I intend to make every effort to attend the next Lakes Meet, if only for the day as i'm well past sleeping rough :y (there'd better be someone there, if only to tell me to bugger off! ;D)
So to summarise!, Imho The OOF isn't 'broken' nor is there anything inherently wrong with it (unlike my desmond! ;)) It has to be "All things to all people" and as such there will always be differences of opinion, "one mans meat" etc., so 'change' is inevitable, but the one thing that remains steady & dependable is the Founding Principle of the OOF, like (not same!) minded people coming together to pass on their knowledge of a much loved & cantankerous old bus & give (in the main) unpaid & sometimes unsung personal help to keep the Omega Marque alive, & maybe have a bit of fun on the way? Long may it continue, or as those chaps in skirts North of the Border say, " Lang may yer lum reek wi ither fowks coal" ;) ;D :y
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Those signs Byron worked a treat...I'd still be looking for the place now had they not been there ;D
We had to stop in the middle of Newent (which is hardly very big) complete with 23' caravan & phone Daz and CaptZok to come and guide us in! ;D ;D ;D ;D
We are the men if you need guiding in Andy ;D ;D
I'll make sure that if I/we ever need guiding into anywhere in the future we'll phone you !!!!! :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
How does one get THE number then? ;D
It's written in magic marker on many of the phone boxes in Massive (another of his money making ventures). ;D ;D
Daz - for all your rubber needs phone xxxx xxx xxx (the rubber is a large toothed belt)
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It is indeed a nice car, very nice to drive. And I still owe Bob half a tank of fuel... Still! :-[
Good to hear from you Bob. :y
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It is indeed a nice car, very nice to drive. And I still owe Bob half a tank of fuel... Still! :-[
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
We weren't completely sure you were coming back... Especially when Bob said you'd left H as a security deposit :-X :-X ::) ::)
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Well, i've just trawled through all eleven pages to get the full SP before putting my 2p worth in (got a headache now & nearly snow blind with all the unrelenting white, as I didn't dare take my eyes off the screen in case I missed owt! )
Around two years i've been here, give or take an oil change, so i'm still a newbie in terms of the time the OOF has been around. I've gotten far, far more out of the OOF & some of it's individual Members than I can ever give back, but try & do my bit by helping with photo's, passing on my experiences with my own car & occassionally talking bullsh*t!
I bought my Omega at a time when I thought I wasn't going to be around for that much longer, & it was a car I had always loved & wanted but never would have dreamed of actually owning under 'normal' circumstances, (so I guess i'm one of the undesirable poor who have gained Omega ownership by default ) but at the time I thought sod it! we are all born equal & death is a great leveller as they say, & the credit card company were welcome to take it out of my nose after I was gone
This place helped me through a rough patch both personally & mechanically, & i've learned more here in 2 years with you lot than I could in a lifetime anywhere else. I've wet my pants a fair few times at the jokes & banter, lost count of the times i've sprayed tea all over my keyboard, been happy at other Members good news & equally sad or sorry when the news is bad, & yes i've taken umbrage at some Posts i've perceived as slights against me or my 'values', but it is easy to type words on a keyboard & send them into the ether when you don't actually 'know' the people you're interacting with, & I think most of us have been guilty as charged in that respect?
I did attend one planned Meet, which was admittedly only 5 miles from my home & I wasn't fit enough then for anything further , but no-one else turned up for various reasons, (I think they'd been warned I would be there! )
I'm retired for health reasons (work didn't agree with me, & as swmbo says, i'm good for bugger all! ) & my p*ss poor private pension only goes so far so the long distance Meets generally aren't viable but I intend to make every effort to attend the next Lakes Meet, if only for the day as i'm well past sleeping rough (there'd better be someone there, if only to tell me to bugger off! )
So to summarise!, Imho The OOF isn't 'broken' nor is there anything inherently wrong with it (unlike my desmond! ) It has to be "All things to all people" and as such there will always be differences of opinion, "one mans meat" etc., so 'change' is inevitable, but the one thing that remains steady & dependable is the Founding Principle of the OOF, like (not same!) minded people coming together to pass on their knowledge of a much loved & cantankerous old bus & give (in the main) unpaid & sometimes unsung personal help to keep the Omega Marque alive, & maybe have a bit of fun on the way? Long may it continue, or as those chaps in skirts North of the Border say, " Lang may yer lum reek wi ither fowks coal"
well, following translation from northern to english ( ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D) i completely agree.
lets just all have a bit of fun, have a nice time and all go home at the end of the day :) :) :) :)
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It is indeed a nice car, very nice to drive. And I still owe Bob half a tank of fuel... Still! :-[
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
We weren't completely sure you were coming back... Especially when Bob said you'd left H as a security deposit :-X :-X ::) ::)
Still don't know what your all on about, I was only gone 2 minutes. ::)
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I've also spent some time reading all 12 pages and tend to agree with DLK.
Personally I find the moral high ground/superior/better than you contest on here very distasteful. We all breath the same air and pay the same tax IMO. Keep the finger wagging out of it...?
I know the jokes restrictions on here keeps some away, Bob Dent is missing because of it afaict. Which is a shame. Mick Dundee has gone, admins rarely come out to play anymore. Which I find worrying, if they feel they can't enjoy their own forum then we're in trouble. And it is "theirs" I don't care what anyone says, regardless of the generous oof philosophy "it's your forum" approach. yet there seems to be a queue of people telling them how to run it, moaning and giving them grief.
Maybe it's over policed a little because of that? But having not seen the forum in it's early days it's difficult to say for me.
Certainly Found the place very dull since Xmas, starting to pic up now though.
Just some general thoughts, might well be talking 'dangle berries' again for all I know. ;D
Think this is one of the reasons why there is less "fun" now on OOF - I for one tend now not to post jokes in the sticky - it was easier before the jokes sticky appeared. Know that some of the jokes may be "old" - so are some of the posts from newer members in the more technical sections, but we don't all moan about that!!
Bob, it's a bit of a tiny pic so I'm squinting, but the estate in your sig looks gorgeous.
Don't really see a problem with this place. I don't run it, I don't contribute money to keeping it going so I don't believe I am in a position to criticise it in any way. The advice from here is excellent, and Lee bent over backwards to help me sort out my cam cover gaskets - I owe him for that (way more than just a can of carb cleaner) and hope very soon I'll be able to put a bunce his way.
So a big thumbs up from me. :y
Bugga the car - seen all the pics before - what about Bobs tiny avatar :) :y
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Bob, it's a bit of a tiny pic so I'm squinting, but the estate in your sig looks gorgeous.
Don't really see a problem with this place. I don't run it, I don't contribute money to keeping it going so I don't believe I am in a position to criticise it in any way. The advice from here is excellent, and Lee bent over backwards to help me sort out my cam cover gaskets - I owe him for that (way more than just a can of carb cleaner) and hope very soon I'll be able to put a bunce his way.
So a big thumbs up from me. :y
Just don't mention the 'Dent' ..... :D :D :D
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Well, i've just trawled through all eleven pages to get the full SP before putting my 2p worth in (got a headache now & nearly snow blind with all the unrelenting white, as I didn't dare take my eyes off the screen in case I missed owt! ::))
Around two years i've been here, give or take an oil change, so i'm still a newbie in terms of the time the OOF has been around. I've gotten far, far more out of the OOF & some of it's individual Members than I can ever give back, but try & do my bit by helping with photo's, passing on my experiences with my own car & occassionally talking bullsh*t! :-[
I bought my Omega at a time when I thought I wasn't going to be around for that much longer, & it was a car I had always loved & wanted but never would have dreamed of actually owning under 'normal' circumstances, (so I guess i'm one of the undesirable poor who have gained Omega ownership by default ;)) but at the time I thought sod it! we are all born equal & death is a great leveller as they say, & the credit card company were welcome to take it out of my nose after I was gone ;D
This place helped me through a rough patch both personally & mechanically, & i've learned more here in 2 years with you lot than I could in a lifetime anywhere else. I've wet my pants a fair few times at the jokes & banter, lost count of the times i've sprayed tea all over my keyboard, been happy at other Members good news & equally sad or sorry when the news is bad, & yes i've taken umbrage at some Posts i've perceived as slights against me or my 'values', but it is easy to type words on a keyboard & send them into the ether when you don't actually 'know' the people you're interacting with, & I think most of us have been guilty as charged in that respect?
I did attend one planned Meet, which was admittedly only 5 miles from my home & I wasn't fit enough then for anything further ;D, but no-one else turned up for various reasons, (I think they'd been warned I would be there! ::))
I'm retired for health reasons (work didn't agree with me, & as swmbo says, i'm good for bugger all! :D) & my p*ss poor private pension only goes so far so the long distance Meets generally aren't viable :( but I intend to make every effort to attend the next Lakes Meet, if only for the day as i'm well past sleeping rough :y (there'd better be someone there, if only to tell me to bugger off! ;D)
So to summarise!, Imho The OOF isn't 'broken' nor is there anything inherently wrong with it (unlike my desmond! ;)) It has to be "All things to all people" and as such there will always be differences of opinion, "one mans meat" etc., so 'change' is inevitable, but the one thing that remains steady & dependable is the Founding Principle of the OOF, like (not same!) minded people coming together to pass on their knowledge of a much loved & cantankerous old bus & give (in the main) unpaid & sometimes unsung personal help to keep the Omega Marque alive, & maybe have a bit of fun on the way? Long may it continue, or as those chaps in skirts North of the Border say, " Lang may yer lum reek wi ither fowks coal" ;) ;D :y
:y :y :y
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All good things come to an end, as they say. I have safely printed off all the usefull guides that I think might be of use to me(lists of fault codes ect) in the event of the OOF going tits up, which it surely will at some point, or then again will it mutate into a Signum or Igsignia or whatever they're called forum :'(
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All good things come to an end, as they say. I have safely printed off all the usefull guides that I think might be of use to me(lists of fault codes ect) in the event of the OOF going tits up, which it surely will at some point, or then again will it mutate into a Signum or Igsignia or whatever they're called forum :'(
AAAARRRRGGGHHH wrong wheel drive ::)
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Well, i've just trawled through all eleven pages to get the full SP before putting my 2p worth in (got a headache now & nearly snow blind with all the unrelenting white, as I didn't dare take my eyes off the screen in case I missed owt! )
Around two years i've been here, give or take an oil change, so i'm still a newbie in terms of the time the OOF has been around. I've gotten far, far more out of the OOF & some of it's individual Members than I can ever give back, but try & do my bit by helping with photo's, passing on my experiences with my own car & occassionally talking bullsh*t!
I bought my Omega at a time when I thought I wasn't going to be around for that much longer, & it was a car I had always loved & wanted but never would have dreamed of actually owning under 'normal' circumstances, (so I guess i'm one of the undesirable poor who have gained Omega ownership by default ) but at the time I thought sod it! we are all born equal & death is a great leveller as they say, & the credit card company were welcome to take it out of my nose after I was gone
This place helped me through a rough patch both personally & mechanically, & i've learned more here in 2 years with you lot than I could in a lifetime anywhere else. I've wet my pants a fair few times at the jokes & banter, lost count of the times i've sprayed tea all over my keyboard, been happy at other Members good news & equally sad or sorry when the news is bad, & yes i've taken umbrage at some Posts i've perceived as slights against me or my 'values', but it is easy to type words on a keyboard & send them into the ether when you don't actually 'know' the people you're interacting with, & I think most of us have been guilty as charged in that respect?
I did attend one planned Meet, which was admittedly only 5 miles from my home & I wasn't fit enough then for anything further , but no-one else turned up for various reasons, (I think they'd been warned I would be there! )
I'm retired for health reasons (work didn't agree with me, & as swmbo says, i'm good for bugger all! ) & my p*ss poor private pension only goes so far so the long distance Meets generally aren't viable but I intend to make every effort to attend the next Lakes Meet, if only for the day as i'm well past sleeping rough (there'd better be someone there, if only to tell me to bugger off! )
So to summarise!, Imho The OOF isn't 'broken' nor is there anything inherently wrong with it (unlike my desmond! ) It has to be "All things to all people" and as such there will always be differences of opinion, "one mans meat" etc., so 'change' is inevitable, but the one thing that remains steady & dependable is the Founding Principle of the OOF, like (not same!) minded people coming together to pass on their knowledge of a much loved & cantankerous old bus & give (in the main) unpaid & sometimes unsung personal help to keep the Omega Marque alive, & maybe have a bit of fun on the way? Long may it continue, or as those chaps in skirts North of the Border say, " Lang may yer lum reek wi ither fowks coal"
well, following translation from northern to english ( ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D) i completely agree.
lets just all have a bit of fun, have a nice time and all go home at the end of the day :) :) :) :)
I didn't need a translator...... :D :D :D
I also feel that Phil makes a lot of sense in what he has written.... :y :y
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All good things come to an end, as they say. I have safely printed off all the usefull guides that I think might be of use to me(lists of fault codes ect) in the event of the OOF going tits up, which it surely will at some point, or then again will it mutate into a Signum or Igsignia or whatever they're called forum :'(
AAAARRRRGGGHHH wrong wheel drive ::)
Suspect vxr's, monaro's/commodores might get better look in. Still fancy the Phaeton though. :-/
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Mike, you old smoothie, you tell the nicest lies :y :-*
What was it Dick Emery's 'Mandy' used to say? "Ooh you are awful, but I like you!" (gives heavy shove!) ;D ;D :y
And on that note: Enjoy a little genuine old school British Humour! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6LstzLXJdg&feature=player_detailpage
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i love you all.
night gorgeous people 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Mike, you old smoothie, you tell the nicest lies :y :-*
What was it Dick Emery's 'Mandy' used to say? "Ooh you are awful, but I like you!" (gives heavy shove!) ;D ;D :y
And on that note: Enjoy a little genuine old school British Humour! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6LstzLXJdg&feature=player_detailpage
It's true, I did not need a translator..... :D :D :D
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All good things come to an end, as they say. I have safely printed off all the usefull guides that I think might be of use to me(lists of fault codes ect) in the event of the OOF going tits up, which it surely will at some point, or then again will it mutate into a Signum or Igsignia or whatever they're called forum :'(
That should not happen if everyone who enjoys the Forum for whatever there reason acts that way :y
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I think forum has changed from when I joined a couple of years ago. Perhaps its just me but when Ive posted for help recently I dont find Im getting replies. i twould be a shame to stop using it as I have found it very useful. What I do find is its nearly always the same things asked before that end up with pages of replies often going completely off topic. Dont want to offend anyone just my opinion.
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All good things come to an end, as they say. I have safely printed off all the usefull guides that I think might be of use to me(lists of fault codes ect) in the event of the OOF going tits up, which it surely will at some point, or then again will it mutate into a Signum or Igsignia or whatever they're called forum :'(
That should not happen if everyone who enjoys the Forum for whatever there reason acts that way :y
Future of oof is an interesting point re omegas and their availability. Another 3 years and it will be time to move on for me. Hopefully with oof or similar for company....? Which will probably depend on the direction Admins choose to take I guess?. Re name the current site? Add sub sections for other cars and their owners. Or heaven forbid pack up through lack of numbers, boredom, or just plane had enough.
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All good things come to an end, as they say. I have safely printed off all the usefull guides that I think might be of use to me(lists of fault codes ect) in the event of the OOF going tits up, which it surely will at some point, or then again will it mutate into a Signum or Igsignia or whatever they're called forum :'(
That should not happen if everyone who enjoys the Forum for whatever there reason acts that way :y
Future of oof is an interesting point re omegas and their availability. Another 3 years and it will be time to move on for me. Hopefully with oof or similar for company....? Which will probably depend on the direction Admins choose to take I guess?. Re name the current site? Add sub sections for other cars and their owners. Or heaven forbid pack up through lack of numbers, boredom, or just plane had enough.
Hmmm... Interesting thought there. Does it continue as OOF even when Omegas are few and far between so the "Spirit" continues :-/
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I think forum has changed from when I joined a couple of years ago. Perhaps its just me but when Ive posted for help recently I dont find Im getting replies. i twould be a shame to stop using it as I have found it very useful. What I do find is its nearly always the same things asked before that end up with pages of replies often going completely off topic. Dont want to offend anyone just my opinion.
Really?
<Runs off to see the recent posts!> ::)
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I think forum has changed from when I joined a couple of years ago. Perhaps its just me but when Ive posted for help recently I dont find Im getting replies. i twould be a shame to stop using it as I have found it very useful. What I do find is its nearly always the same things asked before that end up with pages of replies often going completely off topic. Dont want to offend anyone just my opinion.
Noticed similar tbh. Seem to be enough guides for the main issues now so more unusual topics appear to stay at the top longer. If a post gets no reply towards the bottom of the page bump it. IMO. Singularly the most disappointing thing that can happen to newer members on oof It seems to me.
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Jeez, that took a fair bit of reading.
There's a lot of sense spoken in this thread and I'd agree that as the years pass the user base will inevitably expand and become less cliquey (I don't mean that negatively), this means that some old members may move on and often be missed. And when this new dynamic occurs I think humour can often be misinterpreted.
What I could suggest is either having a jokes thread sticky'd in general discussion, or have a sub forum for jokes. Either way perhaps make it clear upon entry that that area is completely informal and if easily offended is best to be avoided.
With regard to politics or current affairs such as climate change it's obvious that opinion will always be divided, such is the nature of these topics. It is a discussion forum after all.
What I think is important is what to do when someone crosses the line. I'd suggest instead of deleting posts/threads to edit the troublesome post removing the afflicting content and replacing with something along the lines of "Warning. Posts that insult or are particularly hostile to other members will not be accepted.". If repeated perhaps a small suspension from posting, increasing accordingly if the message hasn't got through. This way people will see the thread/posts and know where the line is and will perhaps reduce similar behaviour? Just my experience of course from primarily one other forum which has an even larger user base.
I really like OOF and find it incredibly useful and friendly, something which I try to reciprocate. I've been on various meets with different forums in the past and had fun, I'm still quite new here so haven't been able to go to a meet yet. Although I am a little apprehensive because during all of my previous meets the average age has only been a bit higher than my own, where as on here it must be double :P
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I think forum has changed from when I joined a couple of years ago. Perhaps its just me but when Ive posted for help recently I dont find Im getting replies. i twould be a shame to stop using it as I have found it very useful. What I do find is its nearly always the same things asked before that end up with pages of replies often going completely off topic. Dont want to offend anyone just my opinion.
Its certainly too busy now that I personally cannot read every post to moderate.
The Help sections, according to the rules, should not go off topic. Chat sections, err, yes, well.... ;D
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All good things come to an end, as they say. I have safely printed off all the usefull guides that I think might be of use to me(lists of fault codes ect) in the event of the OOF going tits up, which it surely will at some point, or then again will it mutate into a Signum or Igsignia or whatever they're called forum :'(
That should not happen if everyone who enjoys the Forum for whatever there reason acts that way :y
Future of oof is an interesting point re omegas and their availability. Another 3 years and it will be time to move on for me. Hopefully with oof or similar for company....? Which will probably depend on the direction Admins choose to take I guess?. Re name the current site? Add sub sections for other cars and their owners. Or heaven forbid pack up through lack of numbers, boredom, or just plane had enough.
:-[
Toys all found and collected, popped back in pram after a week or 2, and all is good in OOF land again. So I should be fine again for a few more months ;D
Still, I got an awful lot done during my time away from OOF ::)
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I think forum has changed from when I joined a couple of years ago. Perhaps its just me but when Ive posted for help recently I dont find Im getting replies. i twould be a shame to stop using it as I have found it very useful. What I do find is its nearly always the same things asked before that end up with pages of replies often going completely off topic. Dont want to offend anyone just my opinion.
Noticed similar tbh. Seem to be enough guides for the main issues now so more unusual topics appear to stay at the top longer. If a post gets no reply towards the bottom of the page bump it. IMO. Singularly the most disappointing thing that can happen to newer members on oof It seems to me.
You'd better disguise the bump well ;)
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I think forum has changed from when I joined a couple of years ago. Perhaps its just me but when Ive posted for help recently I dont find Im getting replies. i twould be a shame to stop using it as I have found it very useful. What I do find is its nearly always the same things asked before that end up with pages of replies often going completely off topic. Dont want to offend anyone just my opinion.
Noticed similar tbh. Seem to be enough guides for the main issues now so more unusual topics appear to stay at the top longer. If a post gets no reply towards the bottom of the page bump it. IMO. Singularly the most disappointing thing that can happen to newer members on oof It seems to me.
You'd better disguise the bump well ;)
pumb
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Jeez, that took a fair bit of reading.
There's a lot of sense spoken in this thread and I'd agree that as the years pass the user base will inevitably expand and become less cliquey (I don't mean that negatively), this means that some old members may move on and often be missed. And when this new dynamic occurs I think humour can often be misinterpreted.
What I could suggest is either having a jokes thread sticky'd in general discussion, or have a sub forum for jokes. Either way perhaps make it clear upon entry that that area is completely informal and if easily offended is best to be avoided.
With regard to politics or current affairs such as climate change it's obvious that opinion will always be divided, such is the nature of these topics. It is a discussion forum after all.
What I think is important is what to do when someone crosses the line. I'd suggest instead of deleting posts/threads to edit the troublesome post removing the afflicting content and replacing with something along the lines of "Warning. Posts that insult or are particularly hostile to other members will not be accepted.". If repeated perhaps a small suspension from posting, increasing accordingly if the message hasn't got through. This way people will see the thread/posts and know where the line is and will perhaps reduce similar behaviour? Just my experience of course from primarily one other forum which has an even larger user base.
I really like OOF and find it incredibly useful and friendly, something which I try to reciprocate. I've been on various meets with different forums in the past and had fun, I'm still quite new here so haven't been able to go to a meet yet. Although I am a little apprehensive because during all of my previous meets the average age has only been a bit higher than my own, where as on here it must be double :P
With a small mod team, time is a premium - I'm certainly guilty of taking the quick approach, and deleting threads, rather than spending 30mins sorting out a mess. TBH, as I get older, my patience with adults acting like 3yr olds is getting less :-[
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Jeez, that took a fair bit of reading.
There's a lot of sense spoken in this thread and I'd agree that as the years pass the user base will inevitably expand and become less cliquey (I don't mean that negatively), this means that some old members may move on and often be missed. And when this new dynamic occurs I think humour can often be misinterpreted.
What I could suggest is either having a jokes thread sticky'd in general discussion, or have a sub forum for jokes. Either way perhaps make it clear upon entry that that area is completely informal and if easily offended is best to be avoided.
With regard to politics or current affairs such as climate change it's obvious that opinion will always be divided, such is the nature of these topics. It is a discussion forum after all.
What I think is important is what to do when someone crosses the line. I'd suggest instead of deleting posts/threads to edit the troublesome post removing the afflicting content and replacing with something along the lines of "Warning. Posts that insult or are particularly hostile to other members will not be accepted.". If repeated perhaps a small suspension from posting, increasing accordingly if the message hasn't got through. This way people will see the thread/posts and know where the line is and will perhaps reduce similar behaviour? Just my experience of course from primarily one other forum which has an even larger user base.
I really like OOF and find it incredibly useful and friendly, something which I try to reciprocate. I've been on various meets with different forums in the past and had fun, I'm still quite new here so haven't been able to go to a meet yet. Although I am a little apprehensive because during all of my previous meets the average age has only been a bit higher than my own, where as on here it must be double :P
With a small mod team, time is a premium - I'm certainly guilty of taking the quick approach, and deleting threads, rather than spending 30mins sorting out a mess. TBH, as I get older, my patience with adults acting like 3yr olds is getting less :-[
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I thought as we got older, we got more childlike? ::) ;D ;)
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Jeez, that took a fair bit of reading.
There's a lot of sense spoken in this thread and I'd agree that as the years pass the user base will inevitably expand and become less cliquey (I don't mean that negatively), this means that some old members may move on and often be missed. And when this new dynamic occurs I think humour can often be misinterpreted.
What I could suggest is either having a jokes thread sticky'd in general discussion, or have a sub forum for jokes. Either way perhaps make it clear upon entry that that area is completely informal and if easily offended is best to be avoided.
With regard to politics or current affairs such as climate change it's obvious that opinion will always be divided, such is the nature of these topics. It is a discussion forum after all.
What I think is important is what to do when someone crosses the line. I'd suggest instead of deleting posts/threads to edit the troublesome post removing the afflicting content and replacing with something along the lines of "Warning. Posts that insult or are particularly hostile to other members will not be accepted.". If repeated perhaps a small suspension from posting, increasing accordingly if the message hasn't got through. This way people will see the thread/posts and know where the line is and will perhaps reduce similar behaviour? Just my experience of course from primarily one other forum which has an even larger user base.
I really like OOF and find it incredibly useful and friendly, something which I try to reciprocate. I've been on various meets with different forums in the past and had fun, I'm still quite new here so haven't been able to go to a meet yet. Although I am a little apprehensive because during all of my previous meets the average age has only been a bit higher than my own, where as on here it must be double :P
With a small mod team, time is a premium - I'm certainly guilty of taking the quick approach, and deleting threads, rather than spending 30mins sorting out a mess. TBH, as I get older, my patience with adults acting like 3yr olds is getting less :-[
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I thought as we got older, we got more childlike? ::) ;D ;)
Yep, we do Phil! :y :y :y
What fun it is as well to suddenly find you no longer have to be self conscious, agreeing with everyone, but can suddenly say "NO!" if I want to, walk on top of walls again, and pull funny faces at small children (no, I am only joking and being childish! 8-) 8-) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;))
That is why I think Steve (STMO) probably is around 80 years of age really!! :P :P :P :P :P :P :D :D :D :D
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I can be as childish as the next person in my (warped) humour. Its bickering that pisses me off
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I think forum has changed from when I joined a couple of years ago. Perhaps its just me but when Ive posted for help recently I dont find Im getting replies. i twould be a shame to stop using it as I have found it very useful. What I do find is its nearly always the same things asked before that end up with pages of replies often going completely off topic. Dont want to offend anyone just my opinion.
Noticed similar tbh. Seem to be enough guides for the main issues now so more unusual topics appear to stay at the top longer. If a post gets no reply towards the bottom of the page bump it. IMO. Singularly the most disappointing thing that can happen to newer members on oof It seems to me.
You'd better disguise the bump well ;)
Generally yes and my own, but probably wouldn't bother too much if it's someone else's help question tbh. ( pump )
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Jeez, that took a fair bit of reading.
There's a lot of sense spoken in this thread and I'd agree that as the years pass the user base will inevitably expand and become less cliquey (I don't mean that negatively), this means that some old members may move on and often be missed. And when this new dynamic occurs I think humour can often be misinterpreted.
What I could suggest is either having a jokes thread sticky'd in general discussion, or have a sub forum for jokes. Either way perhaps make it clear upon entry that that area is completely informal and if easily offended is best to be avoided.
With regard to politics or current affairs such as climate change it's obvious that opinion will always be divided, such is the nature of these topics. It is a discussion forum after all.
What I think is important is what to do when someone crosses the line. I'd suggest instead of deleting posts/threads to edit the troublesome post removing the afflicting content and replacing with something along the lines of "Warning. Posts that insult or are particularly hostile to other members will not be accepted.". If repeated perhaps a small suspension from posting, increasing accordingly if the message hasn't got through. This way people will see the thread/posts and know where the line is and will perhaps reduce similar behaviour? Just my experience of course from primarily one other forum which has an even larger user base.
I really like OOF and find it incredibly useful and friendly, something which I try to reciprocate. I've been on various meets with different forums in the past and had fun, I'm still quite new here so haven't been able to go to a meet yet. Although I am a little apprehensive because during all of my previous meets the average age has only been a bit higher than my own, where as on here it must be double :P
With a small mod team, time is a premium - I'm certainly guilty of taking the quick approach, and deleting threads, rather than spending 30mins sorting out a mess. TBH, as I get older, my patience with adults acting like 3yr olds is getting less :-[
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I thought as we got older, we got more childlike? ::) ;D ;)
Yep, we do Phil! :y :y :y
What fun it is as well to suddenly find you no longer have to be self conscious, agreeing with everyone, but can suddenly say "NO!" if I want to, walk on top of walls again, and pull funny faces at small children (no, I am only joking and being childish! 8-) 8-) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;))
That is why I think Steve (STMO) probably is around 80 years of age really!! :P :P :P :P :P :P :D :D :D :D
More like 180 ::) ::) ;D ;D
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sorry to have offended certain members with my comment but i will speak as i find. and no i wasnt sulking as suggested. Interesting though as another member feels the same. perhaps as i am getting older i getting more grouchy.
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I have been on this forum long enough to realize there are FOUR schools of thought at work here.......
1) the dedicated car nut who loves his/her car, but has little time for banter of humour
2the person who loves their car, but has NOT had a sense of humour bypass, and takes life a little less seriously than most, giving as good as he/she gets without taking offence
3)the person who needs only advice to keep their car on the road, has little time for others, and does not otherwise contribute anything to the forum
lastly, 4) the person who is light hearted, has a good sense of humour, contributes drivel, good information, and banter, but also really likes their car as well.
As long as you fit in one of these groups, but are TOLERANT of the others, harmony is prevolent in OOF land.
If you do not, there is disharmony and arguments, with SOMEBODY being offended, and throwing their toys out of their prams.
With over 6k members, there are bound to be some frictions, and differences of opinion, but in all this, we still should be ADULTS, and have ADULT values and sensibilities.
To paraphrase a famous person, without sense and intelligence, we are but just dumb animals. :-X :-X :-X
I personally love this forum, but refrain from posting if it will inflame any argument, or offend anybody, friends are hard to come by, and I've made some good friends, and some great acquiantences, who I hope will soon be friends.
ADMINs.......much respect. :y
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im defo number 4. i cant contribute to car help cos i dont know anything but loved a good banter and there are som great peeps on here.
i think after this was posted everyones chilled out.... a bit of a clear the air thread :)
well done daft looney :)
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Thanks for all your imput Guys & Gals :y
Locking now as it has run its course :y