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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Banjax on 26 February 2011, 08:48:17
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Just watched "The Box" with Cameron Diaz - its that old chestnut about pushing a button that causes someone you don't know somewhere in the world to die. And you get £1m.
Would you push the button?
ps - the film is really good (guy who did Donnie Darko, so if you liked DD you'll like this)
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Gross. :o :o Of course this just supports my theory that without society checks , there would be a lot more people exhibiting Nazi, skinhead,Fred West, canibal call it what you will tendencies.
What would be really interesting would be to keep repeating the exercise to see at what point a yes vote changes to a no vote £10,000, £100, £10?
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Depends who was on the other end.
There are quite a few I would press it for. (Huntly Sutcliffe Gadaffy)
But many more I would not
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Depends who was on the other end.
There are quite a few I would press it for. (Huntly Sutcliffe Gadaffy)
But many more I would not
you've no idea who dies and you don't know them
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No.
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No, of course not - the quest for riches while disregarding how they are amassed has been responsible for mankind plumbing the depths of morality on more than one occasion throughout history.
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I wonder if the people who have voted that they would push the button have the courage of their convictions, and will name themselves publicly. ::)
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No, of course not - the quest for riches while disregarding how they are amassed has been responsible for mankind plumbing the depths of morality on more than one occasion throughout history.
no one would ever know Zulu.....and its a lot of money, and if you refuse they give someone else the option and so on and so on :o
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Gross. :o :o Of course this just supports my theory that without society checks , there would be a lot more people exhibiting Nazi, skinhead,Fred West, canibal call it what you will tendencies.
What would be really interesting would be to keep repeating the exercise to see at what point a yes vote changes to a no vote £10,000, £100, £10?
good question, or how many people die when you press it? 10? 100? 1000? :o
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No, of course not - the quest for riches while disregarding how they are amassed has been responsible for mankind plumbing the depths of morality on more than one occasion throughout history.
no one would ever know Zulu.....and its a lot of money, and if you refuse they give someone else the option and so on and so on :o
Aah but I would know BJ - standards begin within the individual and no amount of money would tempt me to ignore them. Money is just not that important. (To me at least)
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I wonder if the people who have voted that they would push the button have the courage of their convictions, and will name themselves publicly. ::)
There's the rub 8-) - there's a vast difference between talking about it and actually doing it. (As many have been obliged to do in state service)
It's nothing to be proud of or ambivilent about.
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Just watched "The Box" with Cameron Diaz - its that old chestnut about pushing a button that causes someone you don't know somewhere in the world to die. And you get £1m.
Would you push the button?
ps - the film is really good (guy who did Donnie Darko, so if you liked DD you'll like this)
No. I need my sleep at the best of times.
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Imagine this though.
You sign up for your £1M and press the button, a split second later you are nuked, no second thoughts, no turning back. No one ever gets the £1M and the world is rid of a few Million gready selfish sods. Result I would say. ::)
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No, of course not - the quest for riches while disregarding how they are amassed has been responsible for mankind plumbing the depths of morality on more than one occasion throughout history.
no one would ever know Zulu.....and its a lot of money, and if you refuse they give someone else the option and so on and so on :o
Aah but I would know BJ - standards begin within the individual and no amount of money would tempt me to ignore them. Money is just not that important. (To me at least)
give the £1m to a good cause then, its tax free Zulu - what if that money saved 10 or 100 lives......... :o
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Imagine this though.
You sign up for your £1M and press the button, a split second later you are nuked, no second thoughts, no turning back. No one ever gets the £1M and the world is rid of a few Million gready selfish sods. Result I would say. ::)
thats abit like my ideal Big Brother series - gather 100 of the most vacant, self-centred, fame hungry ego-maniacs - put them all in the "big brother house" tell them its all filmed 24/7 and just leave them to it no food, no drink, no books, no music just fame...............see how low they go :y
then shoot anyone who survives ;)
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No, of course not - the quest for riches while disregarding how they are amassed has been responsible for mankind plumbing the depths of morality on more than one occasion throughout history.
no one would ever know Zulu.....and its a lot of money, and if you refuse they give someone else the option and so on and so on :o
Aah but I would know BJ - standards begin within the individual and no amount of money would tempt me to ignore them. Money is just not that important. (To me at least)
give the £1m to a good cause then, its tax free Zulu - what if that money saved 10 or 100 lives......... :o
This has developed into yet another interesting topic from you BJ. 8-)
Yes, this is where the question of morality and high personal standards both conspire to confuse the issue - should an individual be tortured for information about the bomb that may subsequently kill or maim many other people should it explode undiscovered? - there's never an easy answer to it.
The only thing I can say is that if any person permits their standards to slip in relation to any given situation (irrespective of whether or not money is involved) then in many cases that can be the start of the slippery slope to making an already difficult situation (such as in this case) much worse.
Sometimes people die unnecessarily but unavoidably in the event of apparent inaction by those charged with protecting them - but I can say from experience that when the line of reasonable, moral and justified behaviour is crossed the results can be, in many cases, far from those intended at the outset.
To take the money and redistribute it as you suggest would simply justify the already worrying dilemma of facilitating the demise of others for what would amount to be personal gain.
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No, of course not - the quest for riches while disregarding how they are amassed has been responsible for mankind plumbing the depths of morality on more than one occasion throughout history.
no one would ever know Zulu.....and its a lot of money, and if you refuse they give someone else the option and so on and so on :o
Aah but I would know BJ - standards begin within the individual and no amount of money would tempt me to ignore them. Money is just not that important. (To me at least)
give the £1m to a good cause then, its tax free Zulu - what if that money saved 10 or 100 lives......... :o
This has developed into yet another interesting topic from you BJ. 8-)
Yes, this is where the question of morality and high personal standards both conspire to confuse the issue - should an individual be tortured for information about the bomb that may subsequently kill or maim many other people should it explode undiscovered? - there's never an easy answer to it.
The only thing I can say is that if any person permits their standards to slip in relation to any given situation (irrespective of whether or not money is involved) then in many cases that can be the start of the slippery slope to making an already difficult situation (such as in this case) much worse.
Sometimes people die unnecessarily but unavoidably in the event of apparent inaction by those charged with protecting them - but I can say from experience that when the line of reasonable, moral and justified behaviour is crossed the results can be, in many cases, far from those intended at the outset.
To take the money and redistribute it as you suggest would simply justify the already worrying dilemma of facilitating the demise of others for what would amount to be personal gain.
good points Z - I'm not condoning or condeming anyone who chooses - in actual fact, unlike Albs' point that people faced with the harsh reality of the situation would choose not to press the button despite saying they would, I think when faced with a suitcase full of money we would be more inclined to push the button even if we said we wouldn't :o
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Much as i'd like the dosh i voted no. If i were to cause someone to die randomly it might be a struggling parent or hard working nurse /doctor.
If i could choose who snuffed it then YES but that would be too easy.
I could'nt gamble a decent persons life for any money.
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the only question i have is if i press it 100 times do i get £100 million.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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good points Z - I'm not condoning or condeming anyone who chooses - in actual fact, unlike Albs' point that people faced with the harsh reality of the situation would choose not to press the button despite saying they would, I think when faced with a suitcase full of money we would be more inclined to push the button even if we said we wouldn't :o
Yes I certainly agree that there's nothing like cold hard cash to cut through the moral maze.
Although it has to be said that to give in to temptation - be it from a woman, man, money, privilege or whatever - is to sell one's right for clear-headed self determination and ownership of one's soul. (Or equivalent)
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av just pushed the button, when do a get ma million quid ?? and have a got to share it with the other 7 that have pushed it ?
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Depends who was on the other end.
There are quite a few I would press it for. (Huntly Sutcliffe Gadaffy)
But many more I would not
you've no idea who dies and you don't know them
No then
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Actually the button pusher is not the murderer the person who carriess it out is
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I voted to push the button, I assume I am a terrible person who should be condemned to eternal damnation.
I suspect many people would take the money and run. And yes it is probably to do with the way we live these days.
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The fact that very, very many people would actually push the button, and that it would take a lot less than a million quid, is probably why we have had atrocities like the holocaust occur in history.
I remember the electric shock experiments where people were told to give a person (unseen) in the room a possibly lethal electric shock, to the sound of agonised screaming, just because they were being ordered to. There wasn't even any money involved, and the people weren't to know that they weren't actually hurting someone :(
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The fact that very, very many people would actually push the button, and that it would take a lot less than a million quid, is probably why we have had atrocities like the holocaust occur in history.
I remember the electric shock experiments where people were told to give a person (unseen) in the room a possibly lethal electric shock, to the sound of agonised screaming, just because they were being ordered to. There wasn't even any money involved, and the people weren't to know that they weren't actually hurting someone :(
I've heard of that expriment on the radio some time back. There was alaso another in the 50'/60's where students were divided into prisoners & wardens. If i remember rightly it was stopped as the results were startling.
Human nature eh? ::)
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The fact that very, very many people would actually push the button, and that it would take a lot less than a million quid, is probably why we have had atrocities like the holocaust occur in history.
I remember the electric shock experiments where people were told to give a person (unseen) in the room a possibly lethal electric shock, to the sound of agonised screaming, just because they were being ordered to. There wasn't even any money involved, and the people weren't to know that they weren't actually hurting someone :(
I've heard of that expriment on the radio some time back. There was alaso another in the 50'/60's where students were divided into prisoners & wardens. If i remember rightly it was stopped as the results were startling.
Human nature eh? ::)
The Stanford Prison Experiment - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
The electric shocks to strangers was the Milgram Experiment - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment - and - http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OQKS2mA5QgYC&pg=PA566&lpg=PA566&dq=electric+shock+stranger+experiment&source=bl&ots=cDHHyjqZA8&sig=H4IltG-h1FuwuVZcgDiGzK_Rgc4&hl=en&ei=wG5pTfXTOIOq8AP44rHyBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=electric%20shock%20stranger%20experiment&f=false
The 'push a button and a random stranger dies' scenario is from a story written in 1970 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button,_Button_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29#Short_story - it's the odd one out in the list since it's never been (as far as I can tell) a legitimately studied case, unlike the first two where real-world studies have been done on the premise.
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Thank you Aaron, it's good to know I'm not imagining things :y
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Thank you Aaron, it's good to know I'm not imagining things :y
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I'm fascinated by studies of human nature.. and, it seems, I have a memory for (largely) useless facts ;D
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Very interesting results - and keeping the amount at £1m is appropriate as its not quite enough to do what you like, but it would certainly clear most peoples debts and leave a nice sum, put it this way if you were given £1m quid and told you could go double or quits - i doubt any of us would - so its an amount you wouldn't want to risk losing.
now, at the risk of sounding pious, i wouldn't touch that button for £100m or a £1bn - the 54.5% who would are obviously a bunch of psychopaths ;D ;D
the rest of us are liars ;) :y
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ths was a twilight zone short clip / film years ago freaky but real head banger lol