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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: aaronjb on 03 March 2011, 17:10:34
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361162/Becoming-grandmother-29-worst-nightmare-says-mum-discovering-14-year-old-daughter-pregnant.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
The link says it all really but as an excerpt:
A woman who is set to become Britain's youngest grandmother at 29 said it was 'her worst nightmare' when she discovered her 14-year-old daughter was pregnant.
I'm just.. lost for words.. and a quick google shows she isn't the youngest - back in 1999 a 26 year old's 12 year old daughter gave birth.
Children having children.. it just can't end well, can it, and apparently kids who have kids tend to have kids who have kids. Where are we going to end up?!
Bah.
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Children having children.. it just can't end well, can it, and apparently kids who have kids tend to have kids who have kids. Where are we going to end up?!
Bah.
it just can't end well
You can rest assured Arron that it most certainly will not.
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This country has gotten into a situation which is irretreivable on so many different levels Im afraid.Its impossible imo to see a way forward which could put things right.I can only see it getting worse. :'(
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With a lot of MILFs
Yeah it's shameful really, I couldn't imagine having kids during my early twenties never mind as a young teenager.
Problem is though that the benefit money received acts as an incentive for some teenagers.
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Kids having kids.....
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one of the problems with this is that in years to come the young mothers who missed out on parts of growing up and going out with their friends try to claim back them lost years and go wild in later life only theyre not young anymore and theyre the slappers you see out on a night throwing themselves at young lads and making fools of them selves,next thing theyre taking lads home and this reflects on the kids who grow up thinking this is normal and start the whole chain of events again.i could be wrong but this is my opinnion and some of it is from experience
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We overlook the natural order of things. Every other species breeds as soon as it is able, it is only the conventions of society & religions that seek to inhibit breeding. My own Great grandmother married at 15, was widowed at 17 with 2 young sons, being married at that age was not considered unusual in the mid 19th century & it is believed that Mary gave birth to Jesus at 14 or 15. Life expectancy was shorter so the need to breed to maintain the population was that more important
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Not good. But there has always been are a large number of 16 and 17 year old boys having (illegal) sex with their 14 and 15 year old girlfriends. The consequences of which are inevitable......Truth be known we have all been guilty of this type of behaviour when we were young and testosterone charged. Some of us got away with it and some didn't.... :-/ :-/ ;)
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Not good. But there has always been are a large number of 16 and 17 year old boys having (illegal) sex with their 14 and 15 year old girlfriends. The consequences of which are inevitable......Truth be known we have all been guilty of this type of behaviour when we were young and testosterone charged. Some of us got away with it and some did'nt.... :-/ :-/ ;)
Do tell Opti........
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Not good. But there has always been are a large number of 16 and 17 year old boys having (illegal) sex with their 14 and 15 year old girlfriends. The consequences of which are inevitable......Truth be known we have all been guilty of this type of behaviour when we were young and testosterone charged. Some of us got away with it and some did'nt.... :-/ :-/ ;)
Do tell Opti........
Well Mr Steve......It all started behind the bike shed in 1973. Wendy Mathers (name changed) and her best friend (let's call her Sue) introduced me to the carnal delights of a"knee-trembler".... ;)
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Hang on......1973?.....you were about 47 then, surely?
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....and....
......then Wendy's Mum turned up unexpectedly. She was about 35 and gorgeous. I thought that I was in real trouble. But when she started to remove her........... ::) ::) ::) ;)
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Hang on......1973?.....you were about 47 then, surely?
Thirteen or "furteen" as the kids say today... ;D ;D :)
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whats a knee trembler uncle opti :) :question
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....and....
......then Wendy's Mum turned up unexpectedly. She was about 35 and gorgeous. I thought that I was in real trouble. But when she started to remove her........... ::) ::) ::) ;)
Daughter? False teeth? Glass eye? :o
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I meant to keep a better eye on this thread.. but went and played pool after posting it instead - much more fun (despite losing 4:1).. anyway..
With a lot of MILFs
That made me laugh ;D Thought never entered my mind! Honest.
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Although they may have been kids having kids back in those bygone eras, they were far more responsible then as can be seen by the joseph and mary illustration quoted.
But not so with the present as they do not have jobs and have no intention of doing the right thing.
I'm no prude, but no thought is given before the act. Maybe I was far too worried at that age as I consider what my mum would have said if I got in that situation at that age. All I could do was llisten to the guys at class describing their escapades of the night before
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Although they may have been kids having kids back in those bygone eras, they were far more responsible then as can be seen by the joseph and mary illustration quoted.
But not so with the present as they do not have jobs and have no intention of doing the right thing.
I'm no prude, but no thought is given before the act. Maybe I was far too worried at that age as I consider what my mum would have said if I got in that situation at that age. All I could do was llisten to the guys at class describing their escapades of the night before
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You should have joined in as a pound to a penny many of the stories you heard were fiction..... :)
Kids having kids is, as someone else posted, going to come back and haunt us at some point. :( As long as we have the housing and benefit systems that we have now this is only going to increase, in lots of cases we are now on 3rd generation and never a days' work done...... >:(
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SWMBO's cousin conceived her first child when she was 12, had it when she was 13. She then had another one by the time she was 15 :(
Her idiot mother let her older boyfriend sleep with her at the family home, which is a fairly disjointed home - the girl's junkie brother recently murdered his dealer :(
You couldn't make this stuff up could you?
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Thirteen or "furteen" as the kids say today... ;D ;D :)
and can't hear the difference when you say something. ::) ::) ::)
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I am concerned the world is entering into a period of decay and destruction.
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Someone mentioned earlier that their Grand Parent had a child at 15-16 yrs.. thing is, then they would have had to look after the child and pay their own way... Now it seems so cool to have a baby as they can even have someone to baby sit whilst they attend school :o
My daughters even have sex education at school which although some may laugh I think is just condoning it...not sure where it has gone wrong but people Morals are all to Cock in my view.
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SWMBO's cousin conceived her first child when she was 12, had it when she was 13. She then had another one by the time she was 15
Her idiot mother let her older boyfriend sleep with her at the family home, which is a fairly disjointed home -
1.How comes she was not enjoying her childhood much less having an older boy friend?
2. Father not mentioned.
(i'm hearing a silent scream here - was she looking for affection from an older male person who could fill the gap craved for).
3. My thoughts are on the mother who had far too much on her plate, possibly could'nt cope.
maybe they do not now how to ask for help or were asking but it was missed. :( :( :(
the girl's junkie brother recently murdered his dealer
You couldn't make this stuff up could you?
Unfortuantely, this is far too common. its just not reported too often. :( >:( >:(
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a family i know, grandmother ended up looking after the grand kid from the age of 60 cos the mother had enough long after the father had. lads now 18 and disappeared into the ether.
the grandad died last year. whos looking after grandma now she needs it? sure as hell wont be her own kids.?
(she complained about a gas smell to a friend weeks later, cooker leaking like a badboy.)
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SWMBO's cousin conceived her first child when she was 12, had it when she was 13. She then had another one by the time she was 15
Her idiot mother let her older boyfriend sleep with her at the family home, which is a fairly disjointed home -
I'm not having a dig here, but my initial thoughts are that all morality has become void. however, there must be a root cause and maybe they do not now how to ask for help or were asking but it was missed. :( :( :(
the girl's junkie brother recently murdered his dealer
You couldn't make this stuff up could you?
Unfortuantely, this is far too common. its just not reported too often.
More, but not all, than you might think and keeps the Courts busy, and the cost in Legal Aid to the mother and the Council's legal costs must run into many millions.....so it is not just the cost of benefits and housing...... :-X
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We overlook the natural order of things. Every other species breeds as soon as it is able, it is only the conventions of society & religions that seek to inhibit breeding. My own Great grandmother married at 15, was widowed at 17 with 2 young sons, being married at that age was not considered unusual in the mid 19th century & it is believed that Mary gave birth to Jesus at 14 or 15. Life expectancy was shorter so the need to breed to maintain the population was that more important
All very true PF, and young marriages were not unusual going back far further than the 19th century. After the Black Death 0f 1348, then 1370 when the population fell by between 33% and 50%, there was a need to repopulate anyway, so young women / girls had babies with a gusto, with even Kings involved! There was also then a real danger to the woman going through childbirth with a high rate of deaths, and child bearing whilst very young was considered ideal as in fact that is the best time for any girl / woman to bear children.
Also do not forget that family sizes were often very large to allow for the inevitable facilities, with 10, 12, 14 or more in one family right into the 20th century. Look at the tablets in churches on the tombs of even the very wealthy. "Died 6 months", "Died 1 year", "Died 2 years", or "Died 14 years", and the like, is very common within one families listing.
No it is only the morals of late Victorian England that have continued up to about the 1960s, when it was "very wrong" for a girl to fall pregnant out of wedlock, let alone have one whilst very young, which in the slums of the great cities during the 19th century they did.
So it is really only modern values that still give us all a shock when a girl produces a baby in her early teens, or before! ;)
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whats a knee trembler uncle opti :) :question
I always thought it was doing a cambelt on a Facelift Omega ::)
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whats a knee trembler uncle opti :) :question
I always thought it was doing a cambelt on a Facelift Omega ::)
;D ;D ;D Splendid 8-) ;D ;D
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Try going to another country that dont hold the same values as we do and tell them that having a child at 14 is too young.
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whats a knee trembler uncle opti :) :question
I always thought it was doing a cambelt on a Facelift Omega ::)
Almost Pete.......reaching across to replace an Omega cambelt rewards you with a double knee-trembler and arse twitcher combined..... ;D ;D ;)
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Someone mentioned earlier that their Grand Parent had a child at 15-16 yrs.. thing is, then they would have had to look after the child and pay their own way... Now it seems so cool to have a baby as they can even have someone to baby sit whilst they attend school :o
My daughters even have sex education at school which although some may laugh I think is just condoning it...not sure where it has gone wrong but people Morals are all to Cock in my view
PERHAPS THIS IS THE PROBLEM! ;D ;D
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My life mantra of
"I blame it on the parents" which fits a lot of modern ills certainly fits here!! :y
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My life mantra of
"I blame it on the parents" which fits a lot of modern ills certainly fits here!! :y
My kids blame me. ;D
One's an IT consultant, ones an Accountant getting married this year to a girl whos parents own an estate in Yorkshire, ones an Electrician (mind you he was a dad at 17, and is paying child support for the next 10 years at least), and the youngest is at college.
Just where did I go wrong ! ;)
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Apart from all thats been said by PF and LZ. Thinking on the rights and wrongs of early age child expectancy, throughout time and in each sociey there were definite reasons for seeing it beneficial to have children young.
There were the reason for repopulation as lizzie says, also the mortality rate. The latter of which was beccause life saving medicine was not at the advanced stage as it is now or were not invented.
The large number of child expectancies to families in "slums" was I believe due to lack of suitable family planning/contraception compared to "modern society". By the same turn even if concious decison to have many children to offset llikelyhood of a couple dieing I do not think that large numbers were decided upon by many families. It was more likely the situation they found themselves in.
During the 60's, with it being freely available, it made it far easier for inhibitions to be thrown off without fear of the consequences.
Relating to bygone centuries, royalties across the world and those of noble houses, for political expediency married extremely young girls. The majority of which was for peace and land ownership. I believe the most famous of whom was King Solomon and then possibly comes Henry eighth just because of what he wanted and we know what happened when he did not get his own selfish way.
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Apart from all thats been said by PF and LZ. Thinking on the rights and wrongs of early age child expectancy, throughout time and in each sociey there were definite reasons for seeing it beneficial to have children young.
There were the reason for repopulation as lizzie says, also the mortality rate. The latter of which was beccause life saving medicine was not at the advanced stage as it is now or were not invented.
The large number of child expectancies to families in "slums" was I believe due to lack of suitable family planning/contraception compared to "modern society". By the same turn even if concious decison to have many children to offset llikelyhood of a couple dieing I do not think that large numbers were decided upon by many families. It was more likely the situation they found themselves in.
During the 60's, with it being freely available, it made it far easier for inhibitions to be thrown off without fear of the consequences.
Relating to bygone centuries, royalties across the world and those of noble houses, for political expediency married extremely young girls. The majority of which was for peace and land ownership. I believe the most famous of whom was King Solomon and then possibly comes Henry eighth just because of what he wanted and we know what happened when he did not get his own selfish way.
All spot on Sotmh, and in the case of Henry VIII, as with all Kings, he was under enormous pressure to produce a strong male heir. The irony was of course he produced through Anne Boleyn Princess Elizabeth, who would becomes England's strongest, most detirmined, resolute, and purely the best monach in the countries history as Queen Elizabeth 1 :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :y :y :y :y :y
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Thanks LZ. I see HV111 as either impatient or just because he was a monarch felt he could do whatever he liked.
I suppose when we have the benefit of reviewing and having current knowledge, it's easy for me to say that any of the other queens could have given him the so desired heir given a little time, and who is to say any of the projeny would not have been as strong as QE1.
By the same token there are some women who have the biologial disposition to have only children of the same sex. This could have been even more stressfull to him if 5/6 were all girls ::). But my muse is maybe QE1 was needed for the time to come. ::)
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With a lot of MILFs
Yeah it's shameful really, I couldn't imagine having kids during my early twenties never mind as a young teenager.
Problem is though that the benefit money received acts as an incentive for some teenagers.
Bingo!
I was 33 and the wife was 29 (again, for the third year running ;D ), when we had a child, and we still didn't really 'feel' ready enough, either financially or mentally old enough.
How can you be a good parent at 12-14 year old? How can you have the maturity to do a good job? Have the wisdom and experiance to pass on to your child?
Whilstever it pays to breed, (free council house init), this problem will only continue to manifest.
The country is breaked. Socially, morally destroyed. What we need is a leader with some real balls, not some wet drip socialist in a blue tie that we have at the moment. Someone who makes Lady T look like the Mother Teresa, as whilstever failure is rewarded with free housing and benifits, the longer and bigger this problem will become.
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Thanks LZ. I see HV111 as either impatient or just because he was a monarch felt he could do whatever he liked.
I suppose when we have the benefit of reviewing and having current knowledge, it's easy for me to say that any of the other queens could have given him the so desired heir given a little time, and who is to say any of the projeny would not have been as strong as QE1.
By the same token there are some women who have the biologial disposition to have only children of the same sex. This could have been even more stressfull to him if 5/6 were all girls ::). But my muse is maybe QE1 was needed for the time to come. ::)
Ah, but that is what forms counter factual history, but it was pure fate that Elizabeth would be who she was and set the course of English, along with British history :y :y :y
She was considered an illegitimate child and adult, so who knows what the baby of your local 12 year old girl will be one day! ;) ;)
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How can you be a good parent at 12-14 year old? How can you have the maturity to do a good job? Have the wisdom and experiance to pass on to your child?
Whilstever it pays to breed, (free council house init), this problem will only continue to manifest.
You can't say fairer than that. However, there are many societies who do not have the social welfare structure as we do but it matters not to their citizen as they have no problem of producing children at a high rate. ::)
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so who knows what the baby of your local 12 year old girl will be one day!
Mah Baker, Bonnie. As some of the girls are outdoing the boys where they were once leading. Its only a matter of time :-X