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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Banjax on 26 March 2011, 09:07:52
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another valuable opportunity to determine whether we live in a free, liberal democracy where governments are relaxed about people voicing dissent, or a police state where being on a march automatically makes you a criminal as seems to the case in recent events.
the world, the UN and the middle east will be watching with baited breath - lets not give them an excuse to impose a no-fly zone guys OK? ;)
Nickbat, Albs - what time are you getting there? and don't wear your purple loon pants and tie-dyed t-shirt - wouldnt want to clash :y
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Only Banjax could attempt to equate the problems in the Middle East with a leftie demo in London.
Provided the demonstrators don't start hurling fire extinguishers off buildings or smashing windows, they are free to voice their dissent.
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I believe that, due to the cuts in public transport, only 87 people can make it.
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Only Banjax could attempt to equate the problems in the Middle East with a leftie demo in London.
Provided the demonstrators don't start hurling fire extinguishers off buildings or smashing windows, they are free to voice their dissent.
It's not just a gaggle of Communists/Trotskyites/Bolsheviks/Marxist-Leninists who turn up Nick. A far more diverse section of society attend than you perhaps think... :P :P
I might enjoy such a gathering myself..... ;)
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Only Banjax could attempt to equate the problems in the Middle East with a leftie demo in London.
Provided the demonstrators don't start hurling fire extinguishers off buildings or smashing windows, they are free to voice their dissent.
funnily enough that's exactly what I was going for in that piece :y
don't change now will you. pip pip. ;D
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Only Banjax could attempt to equate the problems in the Middle East with a leftie demo in London.
Provided the demonstrators don't start hurling fire extinguishers off buildings or smashing windows, they are free to voice their dissent.
It's not just a gaggle of Communists/Trotskyites/Bolsheviks/Marxist-Leninists who turn up Nick. A far more diverse section of society attend than you perhaps think... :P :P
I might enjoy such a gathering myself..... ;)
You are right Opti :y :y
What worries me though, as in the past, it is all too easy to demonstrate your democratic rights to protest, but very hard to come up with alternative answers. That will be the case with this protest.
Even Ed Milliband has had to accept publically yet again that a Labour government would had to have implemented cuts, but just not as the Coalition are.........................!!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Still if people want to get some fresh air and feel like they have voiced their opinion, I am all for it! I just will not be joining them! :D :D ;)
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I believe that, due to the cuts in public transport, only 87 people can make it.
;D ;D ;D
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Why do people seem to think the state should provide? Socialism appears to be one half of the country working to pay for the other half who sit in their paid for home. Bring on the cuts.
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Just read the BBC report and it seems to me to come down to this:
"We don't like the cuts"
"What's your alternative, then?"
"Er...er...we don't know."
;) ;D
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so here we go again..a small splinter group (150) causing mayhem and damage attacking building and police throwing light bulbs filled with ammonia...whats all that about??..i would bring out the water cannon...be the first wash some of that scum would have had in a long time :y
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so here we go again..a small splinter group (150) causing mayhem and damage attacking building and police throwing light bulbs filled with ammonia...whats all that about??..i would bring out the water cannon...be the first wash some of that scum would have had in a long time :y
Better get the UN to pass and enforce a no flies zone. ;D
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Why do people seem to think the state should provide? Socialism appears to be one half of the country working to pay for the other half who sit in their paid for home. Bring on the cuts.
you pay taxes? :o :o :o i'd kinda just assumed......oh well, everydays a school day ;D ;D
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BBC spin on their website:
Commander Bob Broadhurst:
"Unfortunately we have had a group of approximately 500 criminals committing some disorder including throwing paint at Topshop in Oxford Street and at the police, and scaring the public who are trying to shop."
The Beeboid Tom Symonds' spin:
"A very small group of protesters, maybe three to four hundred people, stopped outside Topshop."
Wow, that is a very small group. Nothing to see, move on please. ::) ::)
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300 to 400 protestors out of 250000 is a small group - i'll go right on and assume they're not all violent troublemakers.
and I'll assume you take the other view that they all are :y
easy this ;)
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300 to 400 protestors out of 250000 is a small group - i'll go right on and assume they're not all violent troublemakers.
and I'll assume you take the other view that they all are :y
easy this ;)
It's not a question of proportion. 300-400 protesters outside one shop is a large group. Whether there are thousands, or indeed, millions of other people elsewhere is entirely irrelevant. ::) ::) ::)
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Why is everyone so surprised when trouble, and rioting, flares up at any anti-government rally? It should never be a surprise in our democracy!
The Anarchists will always be there; organised, violent and generally detirmined to bring authority down.
Note this blog site for Anarchists and what is stated, or rather what is between the lines!
http://www.afed.org.uk/blog/workplace/217-radical-worker-bloc-on-26th-march-2011.html
::) ::) ::)
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I will bet a pound to a penny that the vast majority of people taking part in the protest were public sector employees.
Those of us in the private sector who pay over half of our income in taxation of one form or another and who have had our pension pots plundered in order to pay for this morbidly obese public sector , would have no reason to join in.
Public spending has not been cut - last months borrowing to fund it was an all time high - it is however planned to cut the rate at which its accellerating - nowhere near enough imo.
Many people have developed a great sense of entitlement regarding public money and unfortunately they are going to have to learn some hard lessons.
Can someone please explain to me why the police appear to be taking a soft line with the thugs who are causing wanton destruction in west London at the moment ?
They should be bombarding them with tear gas and water cannon - not standing round the corner watching them smashing up premises.
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I will bet a pound to a penny that the vast majority of people taking part in the protest were public sector employees.
Those of us in the private sector who pay over half of our income in tacation of one form or another and who have had our pension pots plundered in order to pay for this morbidly obese public sector , would have no reason to join in.
Public spending has not been cut - last months borrowing to fund it was an all time high - it is however planned to cut the rate at which its accellerating - nowhere near enough imo.
Many people have developed a great sense of entitlement regarding public money and unfortunately they are going to have to learn some hard lessons.
Can someone please explain to me why the police appear to be taking a soft line with the thugs who are causing wantyon destruction in west London at the moment ?
They should be bombarding them with tear gas and water cannon - not standing round the corner watching them smashing up premises.
Exactly right Albs :y :y :y :y :y
Certainly the news reports have suggested that is what the police are doing :o :o :o :o :o :o :o >:( >:(
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I will bet a pound to a penny that the vast majority of people taking part in the protest were public sector employees.
Those of us in the private sector who pay over half of our income in taxation of one form or another and who have had our pension pots plundered in order to pay for this morbidly obese public sector , would have no reason to join in.
Public spending has not been cut - last months borrowing to fund it was an all time high - it is however planned to cut the rate at which its accellerating - nowhere near enough imo.
Many people have developed a great sense of entitlement regarding public money and unfortunately they are going to have to learn some hard lessons.
Can someone please explain to me why the police appear to be taking a soft line with the thugs who are causing wanton destruction in west London at the moment ?
They should be bombarding them with tear gas and water cannon - not standing round the corner watching them smashing up premises.
Cause they're public sector workers too. ;D
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I will bet a pound to a penny that the vast majority of people taking part in the protest were public sector employees.
Those of us in the private sector who pay over half of our income in taxation of one form or another and who have had our pension pots plundered in order to pay for this morbidly obese public sector , would have no reason to join in.
Public spending has not been cut - last months borrowing to fund it was an all time high - it is however planned to cut the rate at which its accellerating - nowhere near enough imo.
Many people have developed a great sense of entitlement regarding public money and unfortunately they are going to have to learn some hard lessons.
Can someone please explain to me why the police appear to be taking a soft line with the thugs who are causing wanton destruction in west London at the moment ?
They should be bombarding them with tear gas and water cannon - not standing round the corner watching them smashing up premises.
...and the vast majority of those public sector workers earn less than £15k per annum. Their pensions average £5k per annum. Hardly what I would call "morbidly obese". Incidentally they also pay taxes just like the rest of us. I would imagine the thugs causing the destruction have never worked a day in their meagre little lives.
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...and the vast majority of those public sector workers earn less than £15k per annum. Their pensions average £5k per annum. Hardly what I would call "morbidly obese". Incidentally they also pay taxes just like the rest of us. I would imagine the thugs causing the destruction have never worked a day in their meagre little lives.
Average public sector pay is £23,660 (2009-2010)
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...and the vast majority of those public sector workers earn less than £15k per annum. Their pensions average £5k per annum. Hardly what I would call "morbidly obese". Incidentally they also pay taxes just like the rest of us. I would imagine the thugs causing the destruction have never worked a day in their meagre little lives.
Average public sector pay is £23,660 (2009-2010)
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Average means nowt. Ask a statistician politician mathematician.
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...and the vast majority of those public sector workers earn less than £15k per annum. Their pensions average £5k per annum. Hardly what I would call "morbidly obese". Incidentally they also pay taxes just like the rest of us. I would imagine the thugs causing the destruction have never worked a day in their meagre little lives.
Average public sector pay is £23,660 (2009-2010)
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Nick I am SURE you have the intelligence to know that the average isn't what the majority get. Put yourself in a room with Beckham and tell me you both earn that average.
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HC- My point is that there are simply far too many people employed in the public sector. I dont mean that they are all earning "morbidly obese" salaries, but that the sector as a whole is morbidly obese.
It has to change, theres no way round that imo. I wish that the jobs that go are the non jobs, like the army of diversity co-ordinator types and the ones who impose/enforce positive discrimination etc on us. But like you I expect that wont be the case, and to me that is utterly criminal.
We need the public sector and we always will, but the damage that Nu Liebore did to it and therefore the country must be undone. :y
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I will bet a pound to a penny that the vast majority of people taking part in the protest were public sector employees.
Those of us in the private sector who pay over half of our income in taxation of one form or another and who have had our pension pots plundered in order to pay for this morbidly obese public sector , would have no reason to join in.
Public spending has not been cut - last months borrowing to fund it was an all time high - it is however planned to cut the rate at which its accellerating - nowhere near enough imo.
Many people have developed a great sense of entitlement regarding public money and unfortunately they are going to have to learn some hard lessons.
Can someone please explain to me why the police appear to be taking a soft line with the thugs who are causing wanton destruction in west London at the moment ?
They should be bombarding them with tear gas and water cannon - not standing round the corner watching them smashing up premises.
Cause they're public sector workers too. ;D
Many a true word spoken in jest Steve. ;)
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I will bet a pound to a penny that the vast majority of people taking part in the protest were public sector employees.
Those of us in the private sector who pay over half of our income in taxation of one form or another and who have had our pension pots plundered in order to pay for this morbidly obese public sector , would have no reason to join in.
Public spending has not been cut - last months borrowing to fund it was an all time high - it is however planned to cut the rate at which its accellerating - nowhere near enough imo.
Many people have developed a great sense of entitlement regarding public money and unfortunately they are going to have to learn some hard lessons.
Can someone please explain to me why the police appear to be taking a soft line with the thugs who are causing wanton destruction in west London at the moment ?
They should be bombarding them with tear gas and water cannon - not standing round the corner watching them smashing up premises.
Cause they're public sector workers too. ;D
Many a true word spoken in jest Steve. ;)
I wasn't jesting. Come the revolution, brother.........
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HC- My point is that there are simply far too many people employed in the public sector. I dont mean that they are all earning "morbidly obese" salaries, but that the sector as a whole is morbidly obese.
It has to change, theres no way round that imo. I wish that the jobs that go are the non jobs, like the army of diversity co-ordinator types and the ones who impose/enforce positive discrimination etc on us. But like you I expect that wont be the case, and to me that is utterly criminal.
We need the public sector and we always will, but the damage that Nu Liebore did to it and therefore the country must be undone. :y
Albs, in that case, I agree with you 100%. It would also appear that it's these non-jobs who artificially inflate that "average"!
Apparently our county council has appointed some guy to "oversee cost cutting" ... at a cost of £800 A DAY !
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...and the vast majority of those public sector workers earn less than £15k per annum. Their pensions average £5k per annum. Hardly what I would call "morbidly obese". Incidentally they also pay taxes just like the rest of us. I would imagine the thugs causing the destruction have never worked a day in their meagre little lives.
Average public sector pay is £23,660 (2009-2010)
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Nick I am SURE you have the intelligence to know that the average isn't what the majority get. Put yourself in a room with Beckham and tell me you both earn that average.
Sure, HC, but I am equally sure that it is impossible to say that the majority on the march today earn less than £15k. I read one interview with a university professor (or similar) and I'll bet £15k that she is on much more than £15k. ;) ;D
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A friend of mine (who is quite left wing and thought Brown was wonderful ) has spent most of his life working in the public sector, in town planning etc. We have many an exchange of views on political matters, but he admitted to me recently that he has never worked in a council dept. which couldnt lose 20% of its workforce and no-one would notice any difference to the service being provided. ;)
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...and the vast majority of those public sector workers earn less than £15k per annum. Their pensions average £5k per annum. Hardly what I would call "morbidly obese". Incidentally they also pay taxes just like the rest of us. I would imagine the thugs causing the destruction have never worked a day in their meagre little lives.
Average public sector pay is £23,660 (2009-2010)
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Nick I am SURE you have the intelligence to know that the average isn't what the majority get. Put yourself in a room with Beckham and tell me you both earn that average.
Sure, HC, but I am equally sure that it is impossible to say that the majority on the march today earn less than £15k. I read one interview with a university professor (or similar) and I'll bet £15k that she is on much more than £15k. ;) ;D
Maybe the people on the march are just trying to protect the people who are on £15K? No. Surely no-one could be that bothered.
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They could also be trying to protect their own positions, but mostly they are being led by their noses by union leaders who are most definintely trying to protect and build on their positions. ;)
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...and the vast majority of those public sector workers earn less than £15k per annum. Their pensions average £5k per annum. Hardly what I would call "morbidly obese". Incidentally they also pay taxes just like the rest of us. I would imagine the thugs causing the destruction have never worked a day in their meagre little lives.
Average public sector pay is £23,660 (2009-2010)
;)
Nick I am SURE you have the intelligence to know that the average isn't what the majority get. Put yourself in a room with Beckham and tell me you both earn that average.
Sure, HC, but I am equally sure that it is impossible to say that the majority on the march today earn less than £15k. I read one interview with a university professor (or similar) and I'll bet £15k that she is on much more than £15k. ;) ;D
Maybe the people on the march are just trying to protect the people who are on £15K? No. Surely no-one could be that bothered.
I don't think many of the marchers knew exactly why they were marching, except against the nebulous generic notion of "cuts", which is a bit odd as, despite being broke, public expenditure is going up again this year. :-?
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Anarchists, bless 'em.
Still, despite the "cuts" there's at least one on these pictures that can afford an aerosol to vandalise a car.
http://driftingcamera.blogspot.com/2011/03/26th-march-protests-in-london.html
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Anarchists, bless 'em.
Still, despite the "cuts" there's at least one on these pictures that can afford an aerosol to vandalise a car.
http://driftingcamera.blogspot.com/2011/03/26th-march-protests-in-london.html
Would have been such a shame if the driver of the limo had accidentally slipped into reverse and slipped on the pedals.
I really can't stand vandals & those who destroy other people's property, drives me up the wall. (Pardon the pun)
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OK -- I was a bit off on my guesstimate:
Only 3% of civil servants earn less than £15k
Around 32% earn £15 - 20k
Around 23% earn £20 -25k
March 2010 civil service average was £23680 (private average £24695) --
So 58% earn less than the national average.
None of that, of course, excuses those poor apologies for human beings that wantonly vandalise property for, basically, the pure hell of it. And, to be honest ... what were the peaceful protesters thinking, bringing kids and families along..... of course rent a-mob would be appearing.