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Title: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Terbs on 30 March 2011, 09:55:13
Hi all,
We have a speed trap occasionally set up near here. What I do not understand is the 'dual standard' used by the operative.
As I understand it, all cameras are painted yellow, all police wear hi vis jackets and are fully visable. I have seen them on motorway bridges and police vehicle points, side of the road, etc.
Yet the speed trap here, the camera, on a tripod, is stood almost in the hedge, is manned by a person in black/dark civvies who makes himself as inconspicuous as possible by standing behind the telegraph pole and post box by where he has situated the camera >:(
The road bends to the left just after, and around this bend is a chapel/school/hall with a car park, which is where the police are. >:(
I believe this is a training ground as most of the officers are very young...sometimes up to nine officers in attendance, and up to four/five police cars parked .This is not a bus route, not an accident black spot, not a pedestrian area...in fact the pathway is set back from the road by about 15-20 ft. Lucky if 20 people a day use that stretch of path. 30 mph limit.
Why the dual standard !!!!!!!!!! :y
I have to say....when I arrived at work one day, they were outside my customers house. Again, using a telegraph pole as cover for the camera, although the police were visible in the distance. So I parked my van smack in front of the camera, quite legally, and got out, expecting a mouthful, but he had to move his camera further up the road, as did the police. Not easy as there were other vehicles parked which made his positioning difficult. Don't think they stayed long after.  ;D :y
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Jimbob on 30 March 2011, 10:00:49
We've one who tries 'hiding in a hedge' by us.


He moved when questioned about hiding!

who polices the police?
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: hotel21 on 30 March 2011, 10:38:05
Is it a speed camera or an ANPR camera though?  Given the numbers of officers and cars further round I suspect the latter.
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Terbs on 30 March 2011, 10:41:26
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Is it a speed camera or an ANPR camera though?  Given the numbers of officers and cars further round I suspect the latter.

Definately speed....know someone who fell foul :y
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Terbs on 30 March 2011, 10:46:48
Actually....why do our speed limits always go in increments of ten eg:- 30, 40, 50, 60
Why can't 35, 45, 55 be used.
Probably a logical reason somewhere
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: geoffr70 on 30 March 2011, 13:47:06
We have van here who parks up in the centre of a dualcarriageway, up a double kern, on double yellows. The next time I see it I'm taking a photo, will challenge him/her then make a formal complaint to the police.

"you can't break the law to enforce the law".

Or can you?
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 March 2011, 13:52:14
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Actually....why do our speed limits always go in increments of ten eg:- 30, 40, 50, 60
Why can't 35, 45, 55 be used.
Probably a logical reason somewhere

Is there a need for more limits?

I was driving in the US last week. I saw speed limits at 20,30,35,40,45,55,60,65 and 70 as far as I can recall. ::)

Got a bit tedious trying to remember what limit you were in so I took the "when in Rome" approach.  ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 30 March 2011, 13:59:23
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Actually....why do our speed limits always go in increments of ten eg:- 30, 40, 50, 60
Why can't 35, 45, 55 be used.
Probably a logical reason somewhere

0 is easier to paint than a 5 :-/
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: TheBoy on 30 March 2011, 14:17:20
Reminds me, must log on to the Bucks CC website, there is a consultation for adjusting lots of speed limits within a 10m radius of Buckingham.

If you don't take part, you can't complain when they do something you disagree with...
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 March 2011, 14:20:52
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Reminds me, must log on to the Bucks CC website, there is a consultation for adjusting lots of speed limits within a 10m radius of Buckingham.

If you don't take part, you can't complain when they do something you disagree with...

..Just when they ignore the results of the consultation and then do something you disagree with.  >:(

Been there and done that with OFCOM, the CAA, local planning gibbons,...

Kevin
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: TheBoy on 30 March 2011, 14:23:35
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Reminds me, must log on to the Bucks CC website, there is a consultation for adjusting lots of speed limits within a 10m radius of Buckingham.

If you don't take part, you can't complain when they do something you disagree with...

..Just when they ignore the results of the consultation and then do something you disagree with.  >:(

Been there and done that with OFCOM, the CAA, local planning gibbons,...

Kevin
As it happens, I agree with their proposals :o, so I wholeheartedly hope they do do it.

Yup, they are proposing to raise speed limits (basically reverting the changes they made 5 or 6 years ago) on country roads, except where they pass through villages.
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 30 March 2011, 14:24:26
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Actually....why do our speed limits always go in increments of ten eg:- 30, 40, 50, 60
Why can't 35, 45, 55 be used.
Probably a logical reason somewhere

Is there a need for more limits?

I was driving in the US last week. I saw speed limits at 20,30,35,40,45,55,60,65 and 70 as far as I can recall. ::)

Got a bit tedious trying to remember what limit you were in so I took the "when in Rome" approach.  ;D

Kevin


You have left out 75 and 80 Kevin that I have certainly seen there ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) 

You really have to keep alert on US roads!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 March 2011, 14:32:27
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You have left out 75 and 80 Kevin that I have certainly seen there ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) 

You really have to keep alert on US roads!! :o :o :o

Not sure I'd have reached those heady heights in the POS Chevrolet "so memorable I can't remember what it's called" I was driving. ;D

Small car with an Ecotec 2.2 with VVT under the bonnet and it still couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Really not sure how they manage it. ;D


Kevin
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 30 March 2011, 14:45:13
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You have left out 75 and 80 Kevin that I have certainly seen there ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) 

You really have to keep alert on US roads!! :o :o :o

Not sure I'd have reached those heady heights in the POS Chevrolet "so memorable I can't remember what it's called" I was driving. ;D

Small car with an Ecotec 2.2 with VVT under the bonnet and it still couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Really not sure how they manage it. ;D


Kevin


You're so right with that Kevin! :y  When I first went to the US in 1990 we had a 4.5 litre engined Ford Crown Victoria.  It was a stunning six seater car with every conceivable electric gadget on or in it.  Beautiful, and such a smooth ride.  But try taking it up to any speed! ::) ::) ::)  It was a long distance car with speed as a secondary issue, with, I swear, the engine there to power all the toys!  0-60 mph was something like 10 minutes, or at least that how it seemed with either my ex or me driving it!! :D :D :D :D

The last car I hired there early last year was a big engined, 8 seater Toyota; now that moved, and yes I got to over 100 mph on a toll road :y :y :y  Bloody lovely it was :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 March 2011, 14:49:30
Oh, I went on a toll road as well, just as we were hurrying to get the the airport. Pulled up at a booth and the electric window failed. Had to get out of the car to pay the toll, much to the cashier's amusement. >:(

Kevin
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 30 March 2011, 14:56:15
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Oh, I went on a toll road as well, just as we were hurrying to get the the airport. Pulled up at a booth and the electric window failed. Had to get out of the car to pay the toll, much to the cashier's amusement. >:(

Kevin


Oh yes those toll booths!!

Reminds me of my experience last year when the unmanned booth couldn't obviously give me change for a dollar bill to feed the hopper.  Asked a woman who was obviously part of the set up for change, but she was most unhelpful!  I asked her what I should do as I only had dollar bills; she said you'll have to drive through was her reply!!

I said I'll get fined.......she shrugged her shoulders, and so did I as I drove through with buzzer sounding.  At the next booth that was manned I explained my previous predicament; he said "Don't worry about it!!"

For the rest of the holiday, and until I was past security checks then in the aircraft. I was expecting some cops to flag me down or arrest me for toll evasion!!  But, thank God, nothing happened!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'll see what happens when I go through immigration control  when I next get there!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: PhilRich on 30 March 2011, 17:32:58
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Oh, I went on a toll road as well, just as we were hurrying to get the the airport. Pulled up at a booth and the electric window failed. Had to get out of the car to pay the toll, much to the cashier's amusement. >:(

Kevin


Oh yes those toll booths!!

Reminds me of my experience last year when the unmanned booth couldn't obviously give me change for a dollar bill to feed the hopper.  Asked a woman who was obviously part of the set up for change, but she was most unhelpful!  I asked her what I should do as I only had dollar bills; she said you'll have to drive through was her reply!!

I said I'll get fined.......she shrugged her shoulders, and so did I as I drove through with buzzer sounding.  At the next booth that was manned I explained my previous predicament; he said "Don't worry about it!!"

For the rest of the holiday, and until I was past security checks then in the aircraft. I was expecting some cops to flag me down or arrest me for toll evasion!!  But, thank God, nothing happened!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'll see what happens when I go through immigration control  when I next get there!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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We're talking Guantanamo & a rather fetching orange boiler suit here Lizzie! ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: o-meg-a on 30 March 2011, 17:47:03
Slightly different,

but when i went around europe in my rover 214sei in 2007 i used several toll roads in france and I paid by Credit card....more so, I paid by credit card with no PIN at all, just put it in, and it popped back out in 10 secs and up went the gate.

Now if i dont have the cash for the Severn bridge into Wales, I'm screwed. they make you turn around and go back to the nearest cashpoint.

Only time they let me off was when i got caught up in those gloucester floods a couple of year ago. Ended up sleeping on the M6 middle lane all night and woke up to traffic moving either side of me and beeping lol.
They let me through after i explained that, with no payment.
But why on earth...cant they include a card system now!! after all these years, now its paid for itself however many times over.

sods
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 30 March 2011, 17:53:03
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Oh, I went on a toll road as well, just as we were hurrying to get the the airport. Pulled up at a booth and the electric window failed. Had to get out of the car to pay the toll, much to the cashier's amusement. >:(

Kevin


Oh yes those toll booths!!

Reminds me of my experience last year when the unmanned booth couldn't obviously give me change for a dollar bill to feed the hopper.  Asked a woman who was obviously part of the set up for change, but she was most unhelpful!  I asked her what I should do as I only had dollar bills; she said you'll have to drive through was her reply!!

I said I'll get fined.......she shrugged her shoulders, and so did I as I drove through with buzzer sounding.  At the next booth that was manned I explained my previous predicament; he said "Don't worry about it!!"

For the rest of the holiday, and until I was past security checks then in the aircraft. I was expecting some cops to flag me down or arrest me for toll evasion!!  But, thank God, nothing happened!! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'll see what happens when I go through immigration control  when I next get there!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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We're talking Guantanamo & a rather fetching orange boiler suit here Lizzie! ;D ;D ;)


You certainly know how to cheer up a girl!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 30 March 2011, 17:56:38
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Slightly different,

but when i went around europe in my rover 214sei in 2007 i used several toll roads in france and I paid by Credit card....more so, I paid by credit card with no PIN at all, just put it in, and it popped back out in 10 secs and up went the gate.

Now if i dont have the cash for the Severn bridge into Wales, I'm screwed. they make you turn around and go back to the nearest cashpoint.

Only time they let me off was when i got caught up in those gloucester floods a couple of year ago. Ended up sleeping on the M6 middle lane all night and woke up to traffic moving either side of me and beeping lol.
They let me through after i explained that, with no payment.
But why on earth...cant they include a card system now!! after all these years, now its paid for itself however many times over.

sods


Quite wisely they make it difficult and expensive to enter Wales, but you can escape free!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I used to object to paying to leave England to go to Wales as they should have been paying me........NO!!! :o :o :o :o :o, I didn't say that :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X- that was my old Bristolian friend talking to me again!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: o-meg-a on 30 March 2011, 18:09:30
Haha, well yes, to be honest i think there should be no bridge at all and we should have to go up to ross on wye on the M50 and then come back down the M5 lol

Who needs the M4 anyway :S
Title: Re: Legality of speed traps
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 30 March 2011, 18:15:23
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Haha, well yes, to be honest i think there should be no bridge at all and we should have to go up to ross on wye on the M50 and then come back down the M5 lol

Who needs the M4 anyway :S


Yes the M5 to Gloucester, then down through Ross was always the best route, but the M4, and the old Severn Bridge, so often beckoned!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)