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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: fudgee on 29 March 2011, 12:05:35
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I was watching the press preview last night on Sky news when this story first broke and could'nt believe my ears.
I went out and bought the newspaper this morning to make sure as I was half convinced it was a wind up :-? :-?
But No!!!!....apparantly It's going to be recommended by the lawers and judges that sit on the sentancing advisory commitee to not send Heroin dealers to Prison if they are caught with any amount up to £2000 worth >:( >:( >:(
Can somebody please explain to me what is happening to our society when you can be caught selling the most addictive and evil drug on the face of the planet and not be sentanced to Prison.
I lost my Ex girlfriend due to Heroin.
I got a phone call one day to be told that she had been found dead in the bath with a needle sticking out of her arm.
She was just sitting in the Bath collapsed forward with her head underneath the water.
And now I have to live in a Country where a lot of the Murderers who make a living by selling this filth to our family members will not even go to jail >:( >:( >:(
Class A Drug dealers are worse than Murderers in my opinion.
They make a fortune by slowly rotting peoples body's from the inside out.
Tearing family's apart as they have no choice but to watch as their loved one's live the life of a Drug addict, and all of the unbearable suffering and worry and prison sentances and everthing else that come's with being hooked on Poison.
A life of complete and utter misery untill one day.....Bang!!!!!......they drop dead and some poor Mother who only ever wanted the best for their child get's a knock on the door from the police to be told that their Son/Daughter has been found dead in a Crack house somewhere.
And when the dealers find out that one of their customers has died the very first thing that come's into their head is " Damn.....they were worth about £250 a week to me"
They are at the very least just as bad as Murderers......the absolute low life Scum of the earth and all a lot of them will be getting now is some community service.
A bit of litter picking and some fence painting.
Do you all remember British Justice???? Well can somebody please tell me what happened to it.
No doubt that fat out of touch draconion old goat Ken Clarke will welcome and accept the new sentancing proposals.
After all your talking about a man who said that the British public don't consider Bulgalry to be a serious crime. :-[ :-[
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I hear everything you say. Murder thousands in a most incideous way and get away with it .... but for God's sake don't get caught with a bootleg DVD !!!!!
Dealers will simply limit the amount they "carry". Licence to kill ??
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I believe it will encourage more people to sell it which means more crime on the streets and more dead bodys >:( >:( >:(
I understand your point about the D.V.D'S.
Anything to do with keeping money from the Goverment will always be deemed to be serious because that's all that they are interested in.
Class A Drug dealers are dealing and selling death.
I'm still in a state of shock thinking that this could auctualy happen >:( >:( :'( :'(
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I remain unconvinced that the authorities are doing enough to reduce the impact on society of drugs in general. It isn't rocket science to go back up the trail from the end user to find out how it is getting into our island.
I know times are hard but this should be an area where more resources are deployed. I recall reading somewhere that 3 in every 100 Brits regularly take hard drugs. That is a lot of people and a lot of misery down the line for either the addicts, victims or family.
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Geopolitically some countries have always relied on drug production to fund their economy and whilst their government may make the right noises that is all that they do. The West wants to trade with those countries so it conveniently ignores some of the drug issues. The men at the top of the chain continue to have power and make masses of money whilst many links down at the bottom it kills and ruins lives in insiduous and horrible ways. Maybe it'd be different if the govt could legitamise heroin then they could tax it and clamp down severely on anyone who tried to cut in on their revenue making. Just a thought...
(please dont think I'm trivializing what happened to your ex because I'm not and Ive seen the results of heroin and other drugs first hand)
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The war against the drug dealers (murderers) was lost years ago. This is the white flag of surrender being waved at them by our government and judiciary.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370954/Heroin-dealers-escape-jail-New-sentencing-proposals-mean-pushers-free.html
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sorry to hear that fudgee. that is very sad :(
as for the justice part, you're right. its f****d.
so basically the dealers just have to make sure they never carry more than that amount and their free to do it! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Someone ran down a drugdealer outside our local primary school.
He was dealing just outside the gates as the kids were coming out of school.
Ran over, then backed over.
no witnesses.
couldn't even tell the colour of the car.
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Someone ran down a drugdealer outside our local primary school.
He was dealing just outside the gates as the kids were coming out of school.
Ran over, then backed over.
no witnesses.
couldn't even tell the colour of the car.
What car ??
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one with four wheels.
judging by the tracks
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they are going to tax them on there income to regain the money they lost from us, dealers on min wage and goverment get the profits,
if you would like to join the team contact you local goverment office lol ;D ;D
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It is all down to the fact that policing and the criminal justice system is now a business, purely run for profit and no other reason.
The police lost the respect of the public over fining the generally legal person and allowing the real criminal to stay on the streets. Nothing will change until the balance is restored of the real criminal going to jail for the correct amount of time, and the police only fine when it is really necessary and not just to raise income.
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It is all down to the fact that policing and the criminal justice system is now a business, purely run for profit and no other reason.
The police lost the respect of the public over fining the generally legal person and allowing the real criminal to stay on the streets. Nothing will change until the balance is restored of the real criminal going to jail for the correct amount of time, and the police only fine when it is really necessary and not just to raise income.
Policemen & women have lost the respect you say?
I find that a strange thing to actually say, if someone is in trouble they call the police to help them. Police are always the the first person to attack when they are really playing out there orders from higher.
Respect has been lost through years of people not caring about anyone else. Be honest when we were young if you did wrong at school you went home not daring to tell your father else you would get the same again from him.
As for Heroin, I can't understand how people can afford it. I have most of my working life had quiet good wages but don't think I could afford it.
National Service is the answer in my opinion.
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It is all down to the fact that policing and the criminal justice system is now a business, purely run for profit and no other reason.
The police lost the respect of the public over fining the generally legal person and allowing the real criminal to stay on the streets. Nothing will change until the balance is restored of the real criminal going to jail for the correct amount of time, and the police only fine when it is really necessary and not just to raise income.
I wasn't going to post, but, I must disagree with this, and I work with a number of officers who I know would also disagree.
Frankly, the average street-level officer doesn't give a monkeys about "raising income" as you say.
The officer is getting paid regardless, officers get no 'commission' for issuing fixed penalties.
And - the argument that senior officers / government encourage officers to fine people - is again totally incorrect.
I can report first hand that, in police training (both in 2008, and more recent input) that the use of discretion when dealing with less serious offences should ALWAYS be considered.
I'm afraid your views seem very stereotypical, and unfair the the majority who have signed up to to 'the job' for the right reasons.
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I think you will find, though, James, that the Officers themselves are disaffected at the current "system". It's like trying to do the job wearing your own 'cuffs!
However, the public just see the inadequacies heaped upon the Force and blame those they have daily contact with -- the "Bobby" on the street. They don't appreciate that, at times, the whole town might be covered by half a dozen officers, or that, even though the Officers concerned want an offender at least tried, CPS won't have a bar of it!
I do feel, that in these days of "P.C'ness" and "Transparency" that a lot of day to day discretion has been lost.
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As for Heroin, I can't understand how people can afford it. I have most of my working life had quiet good wages but don't think I could afford it.
Thats where your going wrong, you've worked all your life, had you spent your life robbing and stealing then financing a drug habit would have been within your reach.
I can also speak from very recent personal experience when I say that the Police can, and do, exercise discretion.
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If I can borrow a few words from an old Steppenwolf record,
" I seen a lot of people walking around with Tombstones in their eyes, but the Pusher don't care if you live or you die".
Such people should be dealt with so they can no longer put people's lives at risk by dealing such drugs. This isn't a matter of punishment, its public safety. By what ever means necessary.
Ken
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National Service is the answer in my opinion.
I think that, now I'm too old to do it.
:)
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I've been in the "music business" playing and performing full and now part -time for over 30 years, and seen a lot of good people fall victim to this terrible drug just looking for a "good time" or a way to get away from a bad one.
It ALWAYS ends up bad, there are no good times from Heroin, just pain.
never tried it myself, but have spent many gigs and rides home from them with people that have had that addiction, and can tell you with some authority that its NOT what they thought it was, but by then it was too late, and they couldn't go the day without it. One particular individual COULD have been a major star, he was a fantastic singer and pianist as good as Billy Joel.....but he ended up dead of an overdose in a seedy flat in London at only 23, with a needle in his arm and over £1000 in his pockets.( and that was in 1981, so good money!).............I still see his mum.
Heroin kills, FACT. :-X
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Heroin doesn't kill.
Impure heroin kills, pure heroin is one of the safest drugs you can take - far safer than alcohol, tobacco, aspirin or paracetamol. Sorry if the facts get in the way of a good rant.
What make "heroin" unsafe is the garbage its cut with on the streets. So regulate it, make it legal and overnight you'd kill off the drug dealers income, you'd at a stroke make heroin use safe again.
Who's with me? Makes sense - tho i seriously doubt any politician would have the balls or honesty to say it as the tabloids hit the "shriek" button at the mention of drugs.
as an aside, what would that do to the drug related crime figures if you could buy cheap, safe, regulated heroin in tescos?
Yes i know - utter madness ::)
Continue.
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Heroin doesn't kill....
Perhaps, but, even if pure, it turns you into a complete waste of oxygen and a burden on society. Can't see that changing whether it comes from Tesco or a pusher.
Kevin
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Another day goes bye and I have lost a little more faith.
For those of you that have not seen the story this morning, a drug dealer was caught with over £50'000 worth of class A poison.
He had thousands of pounds of Heroin, Cocaine, Ectasy, Crystal Meth and about 3 bin liners full of Cannibis.
He was found guilty of possesion with intent to supply the huge haul onto the streets of Britain.
And his punishment............a 12 month suspended sentance. >:( >:(
No prison, just told that if he re-offends he will be in trouble :-[ :-[ :-[
The police are furious apparantly and rightly so.
If that example does'nt show how out of touch these judges are then I don't know what will.
Why don't they build more prisons FFS!!
Get the scum off the streets and keep them behind bars where they belong.....serious sentances for serious criminals.
I would like to see an automatic 25 year prison sentance for anybody found guilty of selling Class A.
If somebody is selling tiny amounts to fund their habit...then force them into rehab to get them the help that they need.
But these heartless cruel murderous scumbags who never touch the stuff, just sell it to make money.....I honestly don't think that 25 years is too harsh at all :y :y :y
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So regulate it, make it legal and overnight you'd kill off the drug dealers income, you'd at a stroke make heroin use safe again.
I agree with the highlighted bit.
dunno (and don't particularly care TBH) about the "safety" of heroin, or any other drug for that matter.
What adults want to put into their bodies is their business, as long as they are not hurting anyone else.
It's the associated crime which makes smackheads hurt other people - robbing to pay for their next fix, or the "turf wars" where the dealers shoot each other for selling on each others territories. (and good riddance to them).
Unlike say, alcohol, which makes people violent, so they hurt people for "fun".
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Heroin doesn't kill.
Impure heroin kills, pure heroin is one of the safest drugs you can take - far safer than alcohol, tobacco, aspirin or paracetamol. Sorry if the facts get in the way of a good rant.
What make "heroin" unsafe is the garbage its cut with on the streets. So regulate it, make it legal and overnight you'd kill off the drug dealers income, you'd at a stroke make heroin use safe again.
Who's with me? Makes sense - tho i seriously doubt any politician would have the balls or honesty to say it as the tabloids hit the "shriek" button at the mention of drugs.
as an aside, what would that do to the drug related crime figures if you could buy cheap, safe, regulated heroin in tescos?
Yes i know - utter madness ::)
Continue.
I'm open to any possibility of exterminating Drug Dealers, no matter how controversial the idea may seem.
I don't know for certain what idea would work and which one's would'nt.
What I do know for sure though is that community punishments for people found guilty of this hideous crime is wrong. :-/ :-/
No matter what way you look at it...It's wrong, It's a crime that deserves severe punishment.
I just can't believe how this is happening :-[ :-[
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That is outrageous. I have long had the belief that we ought to have more prisons. The prisoners can build them and run them with of course supervision. Grow their own food and do worthwhile work.
What better way for a drug dealer to repent and understand the error of their ways by putting something back into society.
As for the judge ! They ought to walk the job more rather than living in a bubble. I can see a new TV series. Undercover judge in prison, dealing, using, rehab............
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Heroin doesn't kill.
Impure heroin kills, pure heroin is one of the safest drugs you can take - far safer than alcohol, tobacco, aspirin or paracetamol. Sorry if the facts get in the way of a good rant.
What make "heroin" unsafe is the garbage its cut with on the streets. So regulate it, make it legal and overnight you'd kill off the drug dealers income, you'd at a stroke make heroin use safe again.
Who's with me? Makes sense - tho i seriously doubt any politician would have the balls or honesty to say it as the tabloids hit the "shriek" button at the mention of drugs.
as an aside, what would that do to the drug related crime figures if you could buy cheap, safe, regulated heroin in tescos?
Yes i know - utter madness ::)
Continue.
There's a degree of merit in attempting to imaginably deal with the increasing problem of drug use, be it legal/prescription or illegal - so your suggestion should not be discounted out of hand.
Much as I support new thinking in the way we police changing social habits (where they presently impinge on criminal law), I feel that Kevin has made an important observation - which can't be ignored - as for the most part...
Perhaps, but, even if pure, it turns you into a complete waste of oxygen and a burden on society
... will apply to a great number of those who choose to use it.
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look at kate moss, pete doherty thats what drugs do to you. hair falls out teeth rot and come out. not away i would like to go, and the middle of you nose being eaten away no thanks. those things should only happen when you are dead and buried.
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All drug dealers are scum and should be treated as sub-human.
They do so much damage to our society and so many people within it, so we must make our legal system much tougher on this issue. Prison sentences? No!!
Instead we should do what many countries do; execute them as you would multiple murderers in any country with a strong legal system! These people kill, they wreck lives, so why shouldn't they forfeit their life?! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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All drug dealers are scum and should be treated as sub-human.
They do so much damage to our society and so many people within it, so we must make our legal system much tougher on this issue. Prison sentences? No!!
Instead we should do what many countries do; execute them as you would multiple murderers in any country with a strong legal system! These people kill, they wreck lives, so why shouldn't they forfeit their life?! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Now, come on, Lizzie. Out with it ... say what you really mean ... ::) ;D
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I think they should get a dose of their own medicine for a month, followed by cold turkey the next, repeating until they've done their time.
Kevin
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Punishment fits crime - good idea Kevin, "accidenta"l massive overdose at some point, even better. ;)
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All drug dealers are scum and should be treated as sub-human.
They do so much damage to our society and so many people within it, so we must make our legal system much tougher on this issue. Prison sentences? No!!
Instead we should do what many countries do; execute them as you would multiple murderers in any country with a strong legal system! These people kill, they wreck lives, so why shouldn't they forfeit their life?! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lizzie....I think that it's pretty much impossible to put into words how I feel about drug dealers and how I feel they should be punished any better then that :y :y :y :y :y
All I can say is that I hope one day I wake up and switch on sky news to find out that you've been named the new Home secretary 8-) 8-) 8-)
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All drug dealers are scum and should be treated as sub-human.
They do so much damage to our society and so many people within it, so we must make our legal system much tougher on this issue. Prison sentences? No!!
Instead we should do what many countries do; execute them as you would multiple murderers in any country with a strong legal system! These people kill, they wreck lives, so why shouldn't they forfeit their life?! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lizzie....I think that it's pretty much impossible to put into words how I feel about drug dealers and how I feel they should be punished any better then that :y :y :y :y :y
All I can say is that I hope one day I wake up and switch on sky news to find out that you've been named the new Home secretary 8-) 8-) 8-)
Oh, that and many other posts I dream of holding Fudgee! :y :y :y :D :D :D