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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Banjax on 06 May 2011, 01:37:12
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Looking like a massive night for the SNP - i think every LibDem vote has moved over to them ::)
So long suckers ;)
Joking of course they'll never call a referendum on independence anytime soon 8-)
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Im listening to Alex Salmand beinginterviewed by Adam Boulton right now.Jaysus, Ive heard some slippery bullsh1t merchants in my time, but him !!!......... ::)
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I must admit that Salmond is impressive - as a politician, and he seems to be managing the fortunes of the SNP well.
However I would suggest that the (anticipated) losses by the Liberals were due to the associative link with the Tories in their coalition pact, rather than a new dawn for SNP policies.
Insofar as independence for the Nation is concerned, is there really an appetite for this in a substantial majority of the people there? To work properly there would need to be so in my view.
I’m also wondering whether or not this would be full independence having border controls, separate foreign, domestic and security policies and full control of and responsibility for revenues and tax raising.
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If the Scots vote for independence then they should imo have complete independence including all of the above Den.
The days of everyone having their cake and eating it need to draw to a close imo. ;)
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I have no difficulty with independence and would indeed live in an independent Scotland – with pleasure – providing there was a substantial number of people there behind it.
The notion of true independence may well be a moot point within the context of the EU of course, for any nation subscribing to the EU club can never really maintain their independence – as the people (not the politicians) of the Republic of Ireland discovered over the recent past.
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A vote for the SNP doesnt necessarily mean the voter wants independence, SNP know this well, and wont be rushing into a referendum they'd lose anytime soon :o
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I must admit that Salmond is impressive - as a politician, and he seems to be managing the fortunes of the SNP well.
However I would suggest that the (anticipated) losses by the Liberals were due to the associative link with the Tories in their coalition pact, rather than a new dawn for SNP policies.
Insofar as independence for the Nation is concerned, is there really an appetite for this in a substantial majority of the people there? To work properly there would need to be so in my view.
I’m also wondering whether or not this would be full independence having border controls, separate foreign, domestic and security policies and full control of and responsibility for revenues and tax raising.
I think it would be a very sad day in the history of Great Britain if the constituent parts wanted or indeed gained independence. However if they did gain independence then the first job would be to rebuild Hadrians Wall. They would soon change their tune on free healthcare, prescriptions, tuition fees and so on.
Then they could be let back into the union. There would have to then be some symbolic bloodletting - Salmond would be exiled to Tristan Da Cunha, Holyrood would have to become a tourist attraction and there would be a one off tax of say £1000 on everyone living in Scotland. ;D ;D
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I must admit that Salmond is impressive - as a politician, and he seems to be managing the fortunes of the SNP well.
However I would suggest that the (anticipated) losses by the Liberals were due to the associative link with the Tories in their coalition pact, rather than a new dawn for SNP policies.
Insofar as independence for the Nation is concerned, is there really an appetite for this in a substantial majority of the people there? To work properly there would need to be so in my view.
I’m also wondering whether or not this would be full independence having border controls, separate foreign, domestic and security policies and full control of and responsibility for revenues and tax raising.
I think it would be a very sad day in the history of Great Britain if the constituent parts wanted or indeed gained independence. However if they did gain independence then the first job would be to rebuild Hadrians Wall. They would soon change their tune on free healthcare, prescriptions, tuition fees and so on.
Then they could be let back into the union. There would have to then be some symbolic bloodletting - Salmond would be exiled to Tristan Da Cunha, Holyrood would have to become a tourist attraction and there would be a one off tax of say £1000 on everyone living in Scotland. ;D ;D
one off tax of say £1000 on everyone living in Scotland
I think BJ could afford that many times over. ;D ;D ;D :y
Any chance of a wee tap there BJ? ;D
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I must admit that Salmond is impressive - as a politician, and he seems to be managing the fortunes of the SNP well.
However I would suggest that the (anticipated) losses by the Liberals were due to the associative link with the Tories in their coalition pact, rather than a new dawn for SNP policies.
Insofar as independence for the Nation is concerned, is there really an appetite for this in a substantial majority of the people there? To work properly there would need to be so in my view.
I’m also wondering whether or not this would be full independence having border controls, separate foreign, domestic and security policies and full control of and responsibility for revenues and tax raising.
I think it would be a very sad day in the history of Great Britain if the constituent parts wanted or indeed gained independence. However if they did gain independence then the first job would be to rebuild Hadrians Wall. They would soon change their tune on free healthcare, prescriptions, tuition fees and so on.
Then they could be let back into the union. There would have to then be some symbolic bloodletting - Salmond would be exiled to Tristan Da Cunha, Holyrood would have to become a tourist attraction and there would be a one off tax of say £1000 on everyone living in Scotland. ;D ;D
one off tax of say £1000 on everyone living in Scotland
I think BJ could afford that many times over. ;D ;D ;D :y
Any chance of a wee tap there BJ? ;D
That was just a round figure. I would expect employers to pay it for most of their workers. Those in hardship could have a loan at say 35% payable off over five years. None payers would help with rebuilding Hadrians Wall. :y
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No no no, you're not listening to Albs YOU pay US ;)
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Time to point south. We WONT be staying in scotland if snp get their way. Fancy a farm in Cumbria anyway....
swich the lights of Scotland :(
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Time to point south. We WONT be staying in scotland if snp get their way. Fancy a farm in Cumbria anyway....
swich the lights of Scotland :(
Then host oof meet camps :y
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Time to point south. We WONT be staying in scotland if snp get their way. Fancy a farm in Cumbria anyway....
swich the lights of Scotland :(
I don't think we'll see independence anytime soon, most people are content with devolution for now, maybe increasing in powers, but we're very intricately linked and entwined Scotland and the rest of the UK - whats alarming for Labour is Scotland isn't the guaranteed block vote for them it has been, although in a general election for westminster seats, Labour would get much more support in Scotland as SNP dont stand :y
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A vote for the SNP doesnt necessarily mean the voter wants independence, SNP know this well, and wont be rushing into a referendum they'd lose anytime soon :o
After hearing Salmand being interviewed this morning, I quickly came to th conclusion that the last thing he wants is Scottish independence - he just darent say so. What a cock that bloke is.
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A vote for the SNP doesnt necessarily mean the voter wants independence, SNP know this well, and wont be rushing into a referendum they'd lose anytime soon :o
After hearing Salmand being interviewed this morning, I quickly came to th conclusion that the last thing he wants is Scottish independence - he just darent say so. What a cock that bloke is.
he's a cock who's ruffled your feathers for some reason, Albs ;D ;D
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Never was good at suffering fools/hypocrites/liars etc...... ;)
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Never was good at suffering fools/hypocrites/liars etc...... ;)
wow, he's really got to you Albs - did you see his presidential arrival on the lawn - brilliant - he should have been throwing £20 pound notes in the air too - you lot can pick up the tab ;)
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Time to point south. We WONT be staying in scotland if snp get their way. Fancy a farm in Cumbria anyway....
swich the lights of Scotland :(
break off then ;D
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Never was good at suffering fools/hypocrites/liars etc...... ;)
wow, he's really got to you Albs - did you see his presidential arrival on the lawn - brilliant - he should have been throwing £20 pound notes in the air too - you lot can pick up the tab ;)
No change there then. ::) ;)
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No no no, you're not listening to Albs YOU pay US ;)
lol ;D ;D aye for oil,gas,water and leccy :P :P :P
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Oil and gas - not much left. Water - plenty in the lake district.
Leccy - we buy it all in fro mFrance these days. We actually paid Scottish power not to pruduce any leccy recently, so they didnt exceed their carbon limit and then bought in nuclear power from France, for Scotland.
We can all jest or argue about the rights and wrongs etc. but it is an inarguable fact that anywhere in the UK which is much more than 50 miles outside London, runs at a financial loss, and is subsidised by the greater London area. ;)
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Oil and gas - not much left. Water - plenty in the lake district.
Leccy - we buy it all in fro mFrance these days. We actually paid Scottish power not to pruduce any leccy recently, so they didnt exceed their carbon limit and then bought in nuclear power from France, for Scotland.
We can all jest or argue about the rights and wrongs etc. but it is an inarguable fact that anywhere in the UK which is much more than 50 miles outside London, runs at a financial loss, and is subsidised by the greater London area. ;)
i really don't know where you get your figures from Albs, you've spouted that tripe on a number of occasions and never once backed it up, as far as I can gather our GDP per capita is higher than in England, so we're more efficient at creating wealth despite decades of decimation of manufacturing, the more you protest, the more i think you're scared - i know you're a unionist...but this is more than that - dont worry Albs, we'll share whats left of the oil and gas and we'll continue to pump clean water to you ;)
oh, and Mr Cameron - if you could please keep banging the drum for the union - everyone up here loves you and the message is really driving home - stay on that ;D
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Oil and gas - not much left. Water - plenty in the lake district.
Leccy - we buy it all in fro mFrance these days. We actually paid Scottish power not to pruduce any leccy recently, so they didnt exceed their carbon limit and then bought in nuclear power from France, for Scotland.
We can all jest or argue about the rights and wrongs etc. but it is an inarguable fact that anywhere in the UK which is much more than 50 miles outside London, runs at a financial loss, and is subsidised by the greater London area. ;)
i really don't know where you get your figures from Albs, you've spouted that tripe on a number of occasions and never once backed it up, as far as I can gather our GDP per capita is higher than in England, so we're more efficient at creating wealth despite decades of decimation of manufacturing, the more you protest, the more i think you're scared - i know you're a unionist...but this is more than that - dont worry Albs, we'll share whats left of the oil and gas and we'll continue to pump clean water to you ;)
oh, and Mr Cameron - if you could please keep banging the drum for the union - everyone up here loves you and the message is really driving home - stay on that ;D
Wrong again. Scotland's GDP is behind that of the UK.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2003/03/17471/22721
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So, if its lower than the UK average, it will be miles behind England, as Wales and N.I I would imagine are lower than Scotland (due to North sea activities) ?
Keep trying Banjax. The law of averages says you will be right about something someday. :y ;D ;D ;D
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I think that without Scotland, there can be no UK. The United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland just dosn't sound right! :-/
If there is any sort of referendum, it should apply to all 4 countries and should be a simple question. Do we stay together or split? :o
I think that an independant England (outside of the EU) might fair quite nicely... 8-)
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I completely agree. :y
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Oil and gas - not much left. Water - plenty in the lake district.
Leccy - we buy it all in fro mFrance these days. We actually paid Scottish power not to pruduce any leccy recently, so they didnt exceed their carbon limit and then bought in nuclear power from France, for Scotland.
We can all jest or argue about the rights and wrongs etc. but it is an inarguable fact that anywhere in the UK which is much more than 50 miles outside London, runs at a financial loss, and is subsidised by the greater London area. ;)
i really don't know where you get your figures from Albs, you've spouted that tripe on a number of occasions and never once backed it up, as far as I can gather our GDP per capita is higher than in England, so we're more efficient at creating wealth despite decades of decimation of manufacturing, the more you protest, the more i think you're scared - i know you're a unionist...but this is more than that - dont worry Albs, we'll share whats left of the oil and gas and we'll continue to pump clean water to you ;)
oh, and Mr Cameron - if you could please keep banging the drum for the union - everyone up here loves you and the message is really driving home - stay on that ;D
Wrong again. Scotland's GDP is behind that of the UK.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2003/03/17471/22721
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errrr.....this must be embarrassing for you Nickbat, but as you've no doubt already noticed, those are figures from over 10 years ago :o
jesus - its true what they say about english education ;D ;D ;D
keep buying the myths the red tops spoon feed you theres a good chap, you too Albs :y
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Latest figures (relevent to the above);
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GDP/Findings
Summation and anticipated outlook - from a Scottish Government report;
Scottish quarterly GDP growth is likely to remain volatile for the foreseeable future. This is normal during the recovery stage following a recession and is likely to be amplified by temporary factors such as the severe weather.
Overall the latest independent forecasts predict that the recovery in Scotland will continue this year with GDP growth close to 2%. However output will remain below pre-recession levels until well into 2012.
Finally, the recent improvement in the Scottish labour market suggests quite a different (positive) adjustment path for employment relative to the pattern of previous recessions (1980’s and 1990’s). It will be important to consider further the composition and sectoral pattern of this upturn, the extent to which it may be temporary or part of a more sustained upward trend.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/273916/0114268.pdf
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Latest figures (relevent to the above);
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GDP/Findings
Summation and anticipated outlook - from a Scottish Government report;
Scottish quarterly GDP growth is likely to remain volatile for the foreseeable future. This is normal during the recovery stage following a recession and is likely to be amplified by temporary factors such as the severe weather.
Overall the latest independent forecasts predict that the recovery in Scotland will continue this year with GDP growth close to 2%. However output will remain below pre-recession levels until well into 2012.
Finally, the recent improvement in the Scottish labour market suggests quite a different (positive) adjustment path for employment relative to the pattern of previous recessions (1980’s and 1990’s). It will be important to consider further the composition and sectoral pattern of this upturn, the extent to which it may be temporary or part of a more sustained upward trend.
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/273916/0114268.pdf
Morning Den, now look - lets keep recent up to date facts out of this, let me have my fun while i'm slurping tea waiting for the Andrew Marr show (Nick Clegg - it may be good) :y