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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Entwood on 20 April 2011, 20:26:25
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Trying to run updates (manually), and getting the same problem all the time, no matter if I do a bunch together, or individual updates .. they appear to download ok.. but get to around 90% of instalation and then fail.
Not being a win 7 practioner .. (bring back XP the cry was heard) ...
1) Where are the downloaded update files stored prior to install ?? I'd like to try deleting to ensure a full new file is downloaded
2) The install "error" message is always "unknown error" ... MS solutions centre suggests a manual download/install which is what I thought I was doing !!!
3) Hard drive has plenty of room, over 40Gb free
4) SFC /scannow run ... no faults found
Any other ideas gratefully accepted .. :)
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Has SP1 gone on nicely?
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Can't pretend I know much about such things Nige, but there might be something on this page, if you can find it:
Troubleshoot problems with installing updates
Here are solutions to some common problems with installing updates.
Is there an easy way to fix my problem?
Possibly. You can run a troubleshooter that will automatically find and fix some common problems with Windows Update.
Click to open the Windows Update troubleshooter.
I tried to install updates but one or more didn't get installed.
Did you try the update again manually? There are some errors that are just a matter of bad timing, and they can be caused by busy websites, overworked Internet connections, or a number of other factors. These problems can sometimes be corrected by trying to update again. Here's how to check for updates manually:
Click to open Windows Update.
In the left pane, click Check for updates, and then wait while Windows looks for the latest updates for your computer.
If updates are found, click Install updates.
Read and accept the license terms, and then click Finish if the update requires it. If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
Note
Some updates might require that you restart your computer to finish installing. Save and close all your programs before restarting to prevent data loss.
Did you accept the Microsoft Software License Terms? Install the update again and review and accept the license terms.
Click to open Windows Update.
Review any error messages.
If an error message about license terms or cancelled updates is displayed, click Try again, and wait until you are prompted to review the license terms.
Accept the license terms, and wait to see if the update is installed successfully.
Is there enough free disk space on your computer? If you need more free space on your hard disk, you might need to uninstall programs, delete your temporary Internet files, delete files that you don't use, or empty the Recycle Bin, and then try again to install updates.
Did you cancel the installation process or disconnect from the Internet? It's fine if you did. Just check for updates again and install any updates that were cancelled or interrupted.
Were you installing a driver update? Driver updates for devices such as video cards can occasionally cause errors because the files being installed are corrupt or aren't the correct files for your version of Windows. Windows Update should provide you with the most up-to-date drivers for your verison of Windows. However, if you have a problem installing device drivers from Windows Update, contact the manufacturer of the device. For more information, see Update a driver for hardware that isn't working properly.
What else can I do? If the previous questions don't address the problem, you can learn more about what happened and what to do next by reviewing any error messages that are displayed in Windows Update.
Click to open Windows Update.
If an error has occurred, an error code and a link to Help will be displayed. If there isn't a specific Help topic for that error, you can use the error code to search online for help.
How will I know what updates have been installed?
Windows Update keeps an update history so that you can check which updates were installed and when. For more information, see See which Windows updates are installed.
I keep being offered an update from Windows that I don’t want or that I already removed.
You can hide the update, and then Windows Update won't offer it to you again unless you choose to restore it. Here's how to hide an update:
Click to open Windows Update.
Do one of the following:
Click the link that tells you important updates are available if you have important updates to hide.
Click the link that tells you optional updates are available if you have optional updates to hide.
Select any update that you want to hide, right-click it, and then click Hide update. Do this for each update you want to hide.
Click OK.
I hid an update and now I want to install it.
You need to restore the update to the list of updates that Windows can offer, and then install it. Here's how:
Click to open Windows Update.
In the left pane, click Restore hidden updates.
Select the update that you want to install, and then click Restore. If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
Windows will automatically check for updates, and then prompt you to install the update that you restored as well as any new updates that might be available.
I restored hidden updates but I can’t find the one that I want to install.
This happens when a more recent update addresses the same problem as the update that you tried to restore. Windows will offer you the more recent update only.
My computer was turned off during a scheduled update.
When you start your computer after it has missed a scheduled update, it will check for updates. You can choose to install them immediately, or postpone them. If your computer is on during the next scheduled update, the updates will be installed. If new updates are ready to be installed, you can also install them before turning off your computer. When updates are waiting to be installed, you'll see a shield icon on the Windows Shut Down button .
I keep getting prompted to restart my computer to finish installing updates.
Some updates apply to files or services that Windows is using. These types of updates can't be installed while Windows is running so you should save your work, close any open programs, and then restart your computer to finish the update process.
I installed updates (or a driver update) and now one of my devices doesn't work.
There are several reasons why this might happen. If you purchased your computer with the device you are updating the driver for, you should first check with the computer manufacturer for a driver. Most computer manufacturers use
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Has SP1 gone on nicely?
Ah yes, forgot to mention that, I had to try three times for that one. While I was rather about, I somehow got IE9.
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Has SP1 gone on nicely?
Nope .. that was the first one to fail .. :(
STMO ...
Thanks for that .. done all those things .. pretty standard MS stuff for any of their OSs ..
The fact you say it took you 3 goes to get SP1 .... is a worry, i've tried 4/5 .. perhaps I need to keep at that .. :(
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Has SP1 gone on nicely?
Nope .. that was the first one to fail .. :(
Like I said Nige, I had to try that one three times, but once it went on, the rest installed.
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Get the Network install download for SP1 from MS, and try that on its own.
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Sounds suspiciously like the fun I was having with Pinky's laptop last night.
Installed 7, thought I'd save a bit of time by installing sp1 first.
SP1 install from disc failed then lappy started to run slower than a slow thing.
Pratted about for ages getting no sense out of the system then decided to say sod it and reinstalled 7.
The only differences were I had a network cable plugged in throughout the install and I let windows update do all the updates it wanted to including sp1.
Resulting system seems to run much better and is now updating as it should so maybe time to cut your losses and start again Nige.
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Get the Network install download for SP1 from MS, and try that on its own.
Okies .. will try that .. thanks :)
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If reinstalling win7, I use win7 with sp1 integrated. Vista and Win7 updates can be a right mare when they go wrong
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additionally, sometimes the AV silent blocks some file changes, might have to temp disable that
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Sounds suspiciously like the fun I was having with Pinky's laptop last night.
Installed 7, thought I'd save a bit of time by installing sp1 first.
SP1 install from disc failed then lappy started to run slower than a slow thing.
Pratted about for ages getting no sense out of the system then decided to say sod it and reinstalled 7.
The only differences were I had a network cable plugged in throughout the install and I let windows update do all the updates it wanted to including sp1.
Resulting system seems to run much better and is now updating as it should so maybe time to cut your losses and start again Nige.
A very good job you have done too Captain :y :-*
I was having mega stress with the thing, I hate computers and this flaming phone :D
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If reinstalling win7, I use win7 with sp1 integrated. Vista and Win7 updates can be a right mare when they go wrong
Can you "streamline" a win 7 install with the downloaded SP1 the same way you could with XP ?? I have been told you can't due to some security setup ??? Admittedly I've not searched t'web for the answer !!
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I kept getting an error which was
80070017 I think that was it :-?
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If reinstalling win7, I use win7 with sp1 integrated. Vista and Win7 updates can be a right mare when they go wrong
Can you "streamline" a win 7 install with the downloaded SP1 the same way you could with XP ?? I have been told you can't due to some security setup ??? Admittedly I've not searched t'web for the answer !!
Whilst nothing is impossible, no, not officially. MS release the media with integrated SP shortly after SP release. All Win7 media is basically the same, bar 1 file.
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If reinstalling win7, I use win7 with sp1 integrated. Vista and Win7 updates can be a right mare when they go wrong
Can you "streamline" a win 7 install with the downloaded SP1 the same way you could with XP ?? I have been told you can't due to some security setup ??? Admittedly I've not searched t'web for the answer !!
Whilst nothing is impossible, no, not officially. MS release the media with integrated SP shortly after SP release. All Win7 media is basically the same, bar 1 file.
right so to get an integrated setup I'd need to download the DVD file from MS .. top one I believe ... (presently downloading the SP1 only from the same page .. :) )
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=c3202ce6-4056-4059-8a1b-3a9b77cdfdda&displaylang=en
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If reinstalling win7, I use win7 with sp1 integrated. Vista and Win7 updates can be a right mare when they go wrong
Can you "streamline" a win 7 install with the downloaded SP1 the same way you could with XP ?? I have been told you can't due to some security setup ??? Admittedly I've not searched t'web for the answer !!
Whilst nothing is impossible, no, not officially. MS release the media with integrated SP shortly after SP release. All Win7 media is basically the same, bar 1 file.
right so to get an integrated setup I'd need to download the DVD file from MS .. top one I believe ... (presently downloading the SP1 only from the same page .. :) )
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=c3202ce6-4056-4059-8a1b-3a9b77cdfdda&displaylang=en
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No, that just includes all SPs.
You need an MSDN subscription, be a partner, or OEM access to get it. I don't think I'm allowed to distribute the media, even though its useless without a valid key
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No, that just includes all SPs.
You need an MSDN subscription, be a partner, or OEM access to get it. I don't think I'm allowed to distribute the media, even though its useless without a valid key
I can legally distribute the media as an MVP, so I'm sure you can as well. You are however correct in that giving your key away would result in a breach of the T&C's.
I don't know about your installation discs, but our's will work with any key that is legitimate.
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Any help on this page?
http://4sysops.com/archives/windows-update-errors-a-troubleshooting-guide/
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Windows 7 is much better than previous Vista OS no doubt XP was much better... ;D
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Windows 7 is much better than previous Vista OS no doubt XP was much better... ;D
Vista was flawed because it was rushed out of the door before it was ready, and 7 is actually quicker than XP in terms of performance (it's also more secure than XP where program installation is concerned).
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i've had to many random bugs with 7, particularly with WiFi (full propper legal installs) on various machines. But still had a lot of problems, it refusing point blank to work, mother T's laptop after an update screwed the WiFi too.
XP or Mac OSX here, I avoid 7 at all costs....
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i've had to many random bugs with 7, particularly with WiFi (full propper legal installs) on various machines. But still had a lot of problems, it refusing point blank to work, mother T's laptop after an update screwed the WiFi too.
XP or Mac OSX here, I avoid 7 at all costs....
If you have 250+ 6to4 adapters in the Networks part of Device Manager (need to show hidden devices), thats a known bug that stops WIndows networking (ie, SMB traffic). Solution, remove all of them, and install SP1 ;)
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Fortunately, XP is losing all support soon, hopefully the people hanging on for grim death because they can't be bothered to learn Vista+ will have no choice ;)
XP is old, broken, slow, insecure if you're retarded enough to run as a permenent admin, and should now be resigned to history books.
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i've had to many random bugs with 7, particularly with WiFi (full propper legal installs) on various machines. But still had a lot of problems, it refusing point blank to work, mother T's laptop after an update screwed the WiFi too.
XP or Mac OSX here, I avoid 7 at all costs....
The only time I've had any real issues with Win 7 has either been because of flaky hardware or poor driver support.
The other half's laptop randomly crashes the official Toshiba provided video driver (ATI), yet it will work quite happily all day long on the MS signed drivers.
Same goes for my current laptop (Toshiba Satellite R630-155). The only drivers available are for Win 7 64bit, and the Wi-Fi card (Broadcom Wireless N) cannot connect at any more than 72Mbps no matter what.
It's a known documented problem, but is only caused by poor drivers so MS can hardly be expected to shoulder the blame for that.
I'm currently customising my Win 7 install DVD.
So far I have all updates and SP1 integrated, all system drivers slipstreamed in, most of what I consider to be useless has been removed (eg, Games, DVD Maker, Media Player, etc), various registry tweaks applied (eg, add "God Mode" to the context menu).
I was up till gone 3am this morning playing with it bit by bit and running it up on a VM, and I'm probably going to waste the rest of today tweaking it some more (probably until I break it and have to start over ;D ).
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Well at long bloody last I have win 7 working with SP1 installed. Taken god knows how many attempts changing something every time..
Eventually the "method" that worked ...
Down load SP1 (from a drive running XP) and store it.
Disconnect all drives except the one on which I want Win 7
Install Win 7 from the DVD
Do NOT allow Win 7 to connect to Web, do NOT install ANY drivers for motherboard devices found by OS, do NOT install ANY software whatsoever .. even antivirus !!
Turn off UAC and User Intervention
Shut Win 7 down
Connect the drive that has SP1 on it
Start Win 7, install SP1
Once it finishes, do a final reboot
Can now install motherboard devices, instal AV, connect to internet and do windows updates.
System is now fully up-to-date and all I have to do is install all the programs .. :(
What a damned palavar .. :(
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Or just rebuild from a Integrated SP1 disk, which is what I've been doing over the past few weeks.
Since Vista, its the only time I rebuild (service pack time), I don't believe in service packing an old machine that has had loads of patches already applied...
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Or just rebuild from a Integrated SP1 disk, which is what I've been doing over the past few weeks.
Since Vista, its the only time I rebuild (service pack time), I don't believe in service packing an old machine that has had loads of patches already applied...
Unfortunately I don't have an integrated disk .... and, apparently, you can't make them yourself like you could with XP .... unless you know better ??? :)
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Or just rebuild from a Integrated SP1 disk, which is what I've been doing over the past few weeks.
Since Vista, its the only time I rebuild (service pack time), I don't believe in service packing an old machine that has had loads of patches already applied...
Unfortunately I don't have an integrated disk .... and, apparently, you can't make them yourself like you could with XP .... unless you know better ??? :)
Officially, its not possible...
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Unfortunately I don't have an integrated disk .... and, apparently, you can't make them yourself like you could with XP .... unless you know better ??? :)
Just finished making a slipstreamed DVD of 7 with SP1 included (both 32 & 64 bit), took around 30 mins to apply the service pack, and about 10 mins to remove all the crap (such as the games, Windows DVD Maker, Windows Media Player, etc).
Let me know which version of Win 7 you have, and I'll quite happily build you an ISO with SP1 integrated that you can download and burn back to disc yourself.
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Unfortunately I don't have an integrated disk .... and, apparently, you can't make them yourself like you could with XP .... unless you know better ??? :)
Just finished making a slipstreamed DVD of 7 with SP1 included (both 32 & 64 bit), took around 30 mins to apply the service pack, and about 10 mins to remove all the crap (such as the games, Windows DVD Maker, Windows Media Player, etc).
Let me know which version of Win 7 you have, and I'll quite happily build you an ISO with SP1 integrated that you can download and burn back to disc yourself.
I just d/l from Technet and modify the ei.cfg...
...I was going to offer the 'standard' MS Win7 SP1 to Entwood, but unclear on the rules of distributing the media, despite te fact he clearly has a licence. As far as I can work out from the OEM site, the licence cost increases if OEMs provide media (unless different OEMs have different agreements - likely with MS!), so presume their are legalities around this...
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right then!!
total non techie here, last time this 2005 laptop was played with was by TB, and a very good job he did too,
frightening bit for me is, its running xp its probably due something called a format? or reformatting? what ever the hell that is, it get the download from ms and installs them and generally is pretty reliable? however windows xp is no longer supported? what does that mean? will i have to change anything when this happens?
will it refuse to work or what?
simple answers please!!! :'(
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...I was going to offer the 'standard' MS Win7 SP1 to Entwood, but unclear on the rules of distributing the media, despite te fact he clearly has a licence. As far as I can work out from the OEM site, the licence cost increases if OEMs provide media (unless different OEMs have different agreements - likely with MS!), so presume their are legalities around this...
I've been trawling through the rules we have to abide by and I see nothing that says I cannot distribute the media.
The rules do say that we cannot modify the software, but I suspect that "modify" means reverse engineering it rather than slipstreaming a service pack.
If Entwood is worried about the legalities, I'll quite happily slipstream SP1 in to his installation disc if he builds an ISO of it and uploads it somewhere.
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...I was going to offer the 'standard' MS Win7 SP1 to Entwood, but unclear on the rules of distributing the media, despite te fact he clearly has a licence. As far as I can work out from the OEM site, the licence cost increases if OEMs provide media (unless different OEMs have different agreements - likely with MS!), so presume their are legalities around this...
I've been trawling through the rules we have to abide by and I see nothing that says I cannot distribute the media.
The rules do say that we cannot modify the software, but I suspect that "modify" means reverse engineering it rather than slipstreaming a service pack.
If Entwood is worried about the legalities, I'll quite happily slipstream SP1 in to his installation disc if he builds an ISO of it and uploads it somewhere.
Many thanks for that kind offer, but - hopefully - now it is on and working it shouldn't need reloading until SP2 appears. I've not had to rebuild the Win 7 install at all until now. It was only the SP1 that seemed to cause an issue.. and now I know the "sequence" needed it's not that much of a hardship....
I still say bring back XP ... I understood that !!! Although the more I learn about 7 .. the easier it gets ... I'll probably get it sussed in time for windows 10 !!!! :)
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...I was going to offer the 'standard' MS Win7 SP1 to Entwood, but unclear on the rules of distributing the media, despite te fact he clearly has a licence. As far as I can work out from the OEM site, the licence cost increases if OEMs provide media (unless different OEMs have different agreements - likely with MS!), so presume their are legalities around this...
I've been trawling through the rules we have to abide by and I see nothing that says I cannot distribute the media.
The rules do say that we cannot modify the software, but I suspect that "modify" means reverse engineering it rather than slipstreaming a service pack.
If Entwood is worried about the legalities, I'll quite happily slipstream SP1 in to his installation disc if he builds an ISO of it and uploads it somewhere.
Don't suppose you have any walkthroughs for making your own slipstreamed discs do you M?
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Don't suppose you have any walkthroughs for making your own slipstreamed discs do you M?
I don't, but I'll knock one up for you in the next couple of days or so.
I still say bring back XP ... I understood that !!!
That's pretty much what the 9x users said when they moved over to XP :)
Just out of curiosity, why did you have to disconnect all your system drives prior to installing 7?
If it was because the drive you wanted to install Windows to was coming up as a drive letter other than C:, all that means is that the drive order is not correctly set in your BIOS.
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...I was going to offer the 'standard' MS Win7 SP1 to Entwood, but unclear on the rules of distributing the media, despite te fact he clearly has a licence. As far as I can work out from the OEM site, the licence cost increases if OEMs provide media (unless different OEMs have different agreements - likely with MS!), so presume their are legalities around this...
I've been trawling through the rules we have to abide by and I see nothing that says I cannot distribute the media.
The rules do say that we cannot modify the software, but I suspect that "modify" means reverse engineering it rather than slipstreaming a service pack.
If Entwood is worried about the legalities, I'll quite happily slipstream SP1 in to his installation disc if he builds an ISO of it and uploads it somewhere.
The retail CDs say Not For ReDistribution and the OEM ones (the ones I have here are all Manufacturer supplied ones, rather than MS supplied OEM ones) say For Distribution with xxxx PCs only (xxxx=manufacturer's brand). Both have copyright notices as well...
Hence lack of clarity. I suspect I know what MS's lawyers would say though ;)
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The retail CDs say Not For ReDistribution and the OEM ones (the ones I have here are all Manufacturer supplied ones, rather than MS supplied OEM ones) say For Distribution with xxxx PCs only (xxxx=manufacturer's brand). Both have copyright notices as well...
Hence lack of clarity. I suspect I know what MS's lawyers would say though ;)
I know the discs you mean, I have a few here from various MS schemes I have been on in the past through work.
My current deal with MS is that I get a licence key for whatever product I decide to test, and I then download the ISO from them and burn it to disc myself.
As a result of this procedure, there is no warning on the disc itself about making illegal copies, etc.
The rules themselves don't say anything about not distributing the software to others, and that seems logical to me as whoever I give a copy to has to have a valid licence key to use whatever I give them anyway.
PS
MS lawyers = more slippery than a conga eel in a bucket of swarfega ;)
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Don't suppose you have any walkthroughs for making your own slipstreamed discs do you M?
I don't, but I'll knock one up for you in the next couple of days or so.
I still say bring back XP ... I understood that !!!
That's pretty much what the 9x users said when they moved over to XP :)
Just out of curiosity, why did you have to disconnect all your system drives prior to installing 7?
If it was because the drive you wanted to install Windows to was coming up as a drive letter other than C:, all that means is that the drive order is not correctly set in your BIOS.
Purely a cautious move, I have XP installed on one partition, data on another, photo's on another and music on the last (2 drives 4 partitions) .... I've seen, and had to recover, to much data lost by "errors" .. both human and electronic... to take an unneccessary risk .. :)
I have some programs that will only run under XP, and until I finish re-installing all the software and the virtual PC on 7 running XP I still need access, so the ability to boot to the other drive gives me another option. Probably not the prettiest or most efficient way of running ... but it works ... :) Also means my backups of data (3 partitions) are simply done.
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The retail CDs say Not For ReDistribution and the OEM ones (the ones I have here are all Manufacturer supplied ones, rather than MS supplied OEM ones) say For Distribution with xxxx PCs only (xxxx=manufacturer's brand). Both have copyright notices as well...
Hence lack of clarity. I suspect I know what MS's lawyers would say though ;)
I know the discs you mean, I have a few here from various MS schemes I have been on in the past through work.
My current deal with MS is that I get a licence key for whatever product I decide to test, and I then download the ISO from them and burn it to disc myself.
As a result of this procedure, there is no warning on the disc itself about making illegal copies, etc.
The rules themselves don't say anything about not distributing the software to others, and that seems logical to me as whoever I give a copy to has to have a valid licence key to use whatever I give them anyway.
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MS lawyers = more slippery than a conga eel in a bucket of swarfega ;)
The (public) trial stuff is OK to distribute I believe, but not publish.
Other download options - HUP, EPP, Technet Subscription, PSS options would have small print, I bet you.
All lawyers are sods. Maybe I shouldn't keep arguing with them.
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Don't suppose you have any walkthroughs for making your own slipstreamed discs do you M?
Sat here at the hossy bored to tears, and while skulking around for something to help me tweak my Win 7 install disc I found a utility that will make it nice & easy for you to do what you want.
It's called RT7 Lite and can be got from http://www.rt7lite.com/downloads.html
You want the beta version (Build 2.6.0) if you want to slipstream SP1.
I have tested it myself as far as slipstreaming goes, and that works. I haven't tested the other parts of it though that allow you to customise Windows.
If you are going to customise your Windows disc, you need to slipstream SP1 first and then make any other changes you want.
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Cheers M. I'll download it and have a play.
Best of luck with the hospital appointment.
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Don't suppose you have any walkthroughs for making your own slipstreamed discs do you M?
Sat here at the hossy bored to tears, and while skulking around for something to help me tweak my Win 7 install disc I found a utility that will make it nice & easy for you to do what you want.
It's called RT7 Lite and can be got from http://www.rt7lite.com/downloads.html
You want the beta version (Build 2.6.0) if you want to slipstream SP1.
I have tested it myself as far as slipstreaming goes, and that works. I haven't tested the other parts of it though that allow you to customise Windows.
If you are going to customise your Windows disc, you need to slipstream SP1 first and then make any other changes you want.
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Your current signature made me chuckle ;D :y (the forum sig, not the 'sent from droid' one
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Your current signature made me chuckle ;D :y (the forum sig, not the 'sent from droid' one
I still remember the days when that message was fairly commonplace, especially with the likes of the IBM Deskstar Deathstar.
Almost £200 for 120GB when they first came out (which was a damn good price back then), but don't bother storing anything you wanted to actually keep on them ;D