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Title: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 30 May 2011, 22:05:25
I have to say a massive thank you to TB, Chrisgixer and Kevin Wood for giving up their time this weekend and helping pretty much fitting my LPG along with a full service, cam belt and water pump change  :o

It is much appreciated guys... As an addition, it has been (yet another) very enjoyable, but very busy, weekend :y :y

One very big, heartfelt thank you from me :y :y

Oh... And, of course, to Mrs TB for putting up with 3 blokes fuelled on an abnormal quantity of Curry :o :o :D :D
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Jimbob on 30 May 2011, 22:07:10
Sounds good, looking forward to seeing this one  :y
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 30 May 2011, 22:08:19
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Sounds good, looking forward to seeing this one  :y

Should, hopefully, be available for viewing at the Lakes :y :y
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: henryd on 30 May 2011, 22:09:40
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I have to say a massive thank you to TB, Chrisgixer and Kevin Wood for giving up their time this weekend and helping pretty much fitting my LPG along with a full service, cam belt and water pump change  :o

It is much appreciated guys... As an addition, it has been (yet another) very enjoyable, but very busy, weekend :y :y

One very big, heartfelt thank you from me :y :y

Oh... And, of course, to Mrs TB for putting up with 3 blokes fuelled on an abnormal quantity of Curry :o :o :D :D

I presume you are running on gas now then :D :D ;D
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: feeutfo on 30 May 2011, 22:33:36
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I have to say a massive thank you to TB, Chrisgixer and Kevin Wood for giving up their time this weekend and helping pretty much fitting my LPG along with a full service, cam belt and water pump change  :o

It is much appreciated guys... As an addition, it has been (yet another) very enjoyable, but very busy, weekend :y :y

One very big, heartfelt thank you from me :y :y

Oh... And, of course, to Mrs TB for putting up with 3 blokes fuelled on an abnormal quantity of Curry :o :o :D :D

I presume you are running on gas now then :D :D ;D
We all where by the end of the weekend, although something's not right with mine  ;).  ;D


I must say it all went very well, surprised me tbh. Full service including Cam belt and LPG installed in what...2days? Calibrated and all iirc? Add in severe motivation problems on Sunday morning after a heavy night before I thought we all did bloody well tbh. Jubilee clips aside of course.  :-X


Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: henryd on 30 May 2011, 22:41:02
I'd like to see some pics of the tank install,presumably its in the wheel well but how much has the boot floor had to rise?.
This is where I am having a problem about doing mine as I do not want to lose any load area :'(
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Shackeng on 30 May 2011, 22:48:34
It sounds as though the LPG fitting team are now in the Championship. Now, should I get my 3.2 done next..................Ummmmmmmmmm?
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 30 May 2011, 22:48:45
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I'd like to see some pics of the tank install,presumably its in the wheel well but how much has the boot floor had to rise?.
This is where I am having a problem about doing mine as I do not want to lose any load area :'(
I've not done the floor raise yet but it'll be about 80mm (I think) to get a 76L tank in... You could, of course, just go for a smaller tank though ;) My biggest requirement for the tank was range
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Kevin Wood on 30 May 2011, 22:52:33
Some of that gas had a pretty effective stenching agent added, it has to be said. :-X

Happy to help and good to see you all as always. Sorry I couldn't make Sunday but was glad to see it running on LPG today.
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: feeutfo on 30 May 2011, 23:14:52
Oh and I should actually say, thankyou for the curry,  :y  and to TB for wiring into my loom etc.

Very busy weekend, hard work, I'm absolutely knackered, but thoroughly enjoyable.
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Shackeng on 31 May 2011, 08:21:21
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Oh and I should actually say, thankyou for the curry,  :y  and to TB for wiring into my loom etc.

Very busy weekend, hard work, I'm absolutely knackered, but thoroughly enjoyable.

Tell us more Chris ;) :) :y
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 May 2011, 08:39:30
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Oh and I should actually say, thankyou for the curry,  :y  and to TB for wiring into my loom etc.

Very busy weekend, hard work, I'm absolutely knackered, but thoroughly enjoyable.
I'm still knackered and my back is killing me today ::) :'(

Curry was the least I could do... You're more than welcome :y
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: feeutfo on 31 May 2011, 09:19:11
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Oh and I should actually say, thankyou for the curry,  :y  and to TB for wiring into my loom etc.

Very busy weekend, hard work, I'm absolutely knackered, but thoroughly enjoyable.

Tell us more Chris ;) :) :y
My LPG install has been underway for the last week when time allows. And part of that install involves tapping into engine signals for the LPG ecu to operate. This is best done just short of the loom plug to engine ecu In the engine bay fuse box. It involves a miriad of wires being separated from the correct ones needed and soldering on.

Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 May 2011, 09:27:01
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Oh and I should actually say, thankyou for the curry,  :y  and to TB for wiring into my loom etc.

Very busy weekend, hard work, I'm absolutely knackered, but thoroughly enjoyable.

Tell us more Chris ;) :) :y
My LPG install has been underway for the last week when time allows. And part of that install involves tapping into engine signals for the LPG ecu to operate. This is best done just short of the loom plug to engine ecu In the engine bay fuse box. It involves a miriad of wires being separated from the correct ones needed and soldering on.


... and just looking at it gives him nightmares! ;D ;D ;D

Man up! :D :D
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Shackeng on 31 May 2011, 09:27:14
Wow! As I said Championship players. :y :y :y
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Gaffers on 31 May 2011, 16:06:11
Right, now you have practised enough, how about doing mine?  ::) ::)
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: TheBoy on 31 May 2011, 18:30:00
It was an enjoyable weekend, but I'm bloody knackered.  Got home from the Bucks meet last night, pretty much straight to bed, and apparently I've been like a zombie all day.

This is first chance I've had to really look at OOF since Thursday. Needless to say, 50 unread PMs, god knows how many deleted off the bottom - so apologies to anyone who thinks I've ignored them  :-[


I still maintain its not possible to do in 2 days - this one had the loom mods already done (saving the time of connecting up 12 bypasses), fanimold predrilled, and 4 good people working on it saturday (which is when we broke the back of it - before filled with curry and beer).


Shame chrisgixers conversion had an issue, I was really gutted about that but its not my rather car.  I feel better it wasn't anything I'd done, but still gutting none the less.


Mrs TB would like to say thanks to Mrs chrisgixer over the weekend, and to the OOF girls yesterday, you all helped her keep her sanity when surrounded by several hairy ass'd blokes being, errrr, blokey ::)


Lastly, may I point out to Mrs Lazydocker, it is your duty to do the 'package', as the cripple doesn't make them as nice as you do...  ...says me, laying in bath, drinking tea, scoffing one ;D
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Amigo on 31 May 2011, 19:16:29
New car sorted, a few good mates & a curry.

    Sounds good to me! :y
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: feeutfo on 31 May 2011, 19:27:27
Defo nobody's fault but mine TB. Pipe was twisted then pulled just inside the top hat/around the bend from chassis to air tight hose.

I didn't like the look of the outer surface of the kinked section so I've removed it, pending parts. As you say, too tired to complete it today anyway.
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 May 2011, 19:49:37
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Lastly, may I point out to Mrs Lazydocker, it is your duty to do the 'package', as the cripple doesn't make them as nice as you do...  ...says me, laying in bath, drinking tea, scoffing one ;D

She said that was TMI! :o :o :D :D
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 May 2011, 19:54:07
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I still maintain its not possible to do in 2 days - this one had the loom mods already done (saving the time of connecting up 12 bypasses), fanimold predrilled, and 4 good people working on it saturday (which is when we broke the back of it - before filled with curry and beer).

It can be done in 2 days with a little preparation... Don't forget, the tank was a new experience for us this time around ;)

Yes, I admit that there does need to be some prep work done and you do need to know what you're doing... But don't forget that we you also did a full service, cam belt and water pump change as well ;)

But... You do need people who know what they're doing and, in hindsight, a little less Beer and Curry on the first night wouldn't go amiss either ::) ::)
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: TheBoy on 31 May 2011, 20:50:09
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I still maintain its not possible to do in 2 days - this one had the loom mods already done (saving the time of connecting up 12 bypasses), fanimold predrilled, and 4 good people working on it saturday (which is when we broke the back of it - before filled with curry and beer).

It can be done in 2 days with a little preparation... Don't forget, the tank was a new experience for us this time around ;)

Yes, I admit that there does need to be some prep work done and you do need to know what you're doing... But don't forget that we you also did a full service, cam belt and water pump change as well ;)

But... You do need people who know what they're doing and, in hindsight, a little less Beer and Curry on the first night wouldn't go amiss either ::) ::)
(Monday aside) we had good, dry, bright weather, which also helped.  I reckon working outside is faster than inside, as better illumination and more room. And we hit no snags at all.  And we lacked the pressure of running out of time.
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 May 2011, 21:06:35
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I still maintain its not possible to do in 2 days - this one had the loom mods already done (saving the time of connecting up 12 bypasses), fanimold predrilled, and 4 good people working on it saturday (which is when we broke the back of it - before filled with curry and beer).

It can be done in 2 days with a little preparation... Don't forget, the tank was a new experience for us this time around ;)

Yes, I admit that there does need to be some prep work done and you do need to know what you're doing... But don't forget that we you also did a full service, cam belt and water pump change as well ;)

But... You do need people who know what they're doing and, in hindsight, a little less Beer and Curry on the first night wouldn't go amiss either ::) ::)
(Monday aside) we had good, dry, bright weather, which also helped.  I reckon working outside is faster than inside, as better illumination and more room. And we hit no snags at all.  And we lacked the pressure of running out of time.
... Until Gayboy kinked his pipe causing a fair bit of head scratching ::) ::)

But I do think it's better to have the spare day at the end... Must confess, I'm still knackered today and think I'll be in bed before too long :-[ ::)

The weather is key and I agree... Outside is far easier as it means that the car can easily be worked all around without falling over each other or having to have a cuddle every time you need to find a different weapon ::)
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: feeutfo on 31 May 2011, 22:21:27
Although we had four people, there was not much for me to do to start with, so dived into the cam belt. I would never quote  2 days as such, but we know it's doable. Provided there's no issues, missing parts, or breakages. Oh yes, did I mention breakages.... :-X

Drilling manifold didn't take too long on TBE. And plugging the piggy back injectors isn't exactly an epic....iirc.?

Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 May 2011, 22:25:54
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Although we had four people, there was not much for me to do to start with, so dived into the cam belt. I would never quote  2 days as such, but we know it's doable. Provided there's no issues, missing parts, or breakages. Oh yes, did I mention breakages.... :-X

Drilling manifold didn't take too long on TBE. And plugging the piggy back injectors isn't exactly an epic....iirc.?


Is that why it's started knocking like a knocking thing? ::) ::) ;D ;D

Should (hopefully) be getting it looked over and added to the register this week :y :y
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 May 2011, 22:29:36
The pre modified loom isn't essential, although it does make things a little quicker if done in advance. Having the manifold drilled and tapped in advance is the biggest time saver, although with 4 of us it wouldn't have mattered too much, but it can be done in 2 days with 3 people... I, like you, wouldn't quote 2 days to anyone as the expected timescale.

A big help was also that we've just done another 3.2 (actually, you've done 2!) within the last 6 weeks so everything was very fresh in our minds ;)
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: feeutfo on 31 May 2011, 22:58:34
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The pre modified loom isn't essential, although it does make things a little quicker if done in advance. Having the manifold drilled and tapped in advance is the biggest time saver, although with 4 of us it wouldn't have mattered too much, but it can be done in 2 days with 3 people... I, like you, wouldn't quote 2 days to anyone as the expected timescale.

A big help was also that we've just done another 3.2 (actually, you've done 2!) within the last 6 weeks so everything was very fresh in our minds ;)
Indeed, 5 in total. Bloody things, although the 3.0 litre was a right pita. 3.2/2.6 far easier.

 Also that new vap is right fiddle, it's twice the work. But worth it of course. See what Kev thinks later.

I meant the vac pipe re breakage, we'd have been in trouble if not for rather handy double vac spare, and I'd forgotten the slight knock.  :-/ has it gone? this is what I/we where worried about in doing goo many jobs in one go. Ie is the knock related to the cam belts? Water pump bolts? The install? Or was it there before as it's was intermitant. Can end up chasing our arse if it had been more pronounced. We've been there before as you know of course, some owners may not be so understanding as TB was. Yours Sounded ac or aux related to me but I'm no expert.  :-/ neither of us had a clue hat caused it....however slight, did we?
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 31 May 2011, 23:22:27
Ahh... That breakage ::) That was just TB being heavy handed :-X But it was very handy that he had a spare. Perhaps we should think about getting one from a breaker for the spares box, just in case :-/

As for the knock... Well, it's more of a gentle tap really and could be A/C related... It didn't work when I got the car due to a leaky valve and the history has comments over the last 2 years about the A/C not being as cold as it was :-/ Or could easily be due to the crappy state of the oil... I reckon another short change or 2 are on the cards and possibly even a flush and sump off jobbie :-/

Oh... And I think the long term trims drift out if it's driven particularly hard for extended periods as mine are a little wayward today :-X ::) I'll keep an eye on them :y

That said, I still didn't gave the mapping 100% as I forgot to leave the ISA 2 adaptation on after we finished the other night. Turned it on today and went for a "spirited" drive but gad to behave a little as the Mother in Law was looking for the brake pedal ;D Bear in mind that it will switch back to petrol, seemingly at random intervals, with this turned on but will collect a full petrol and LPG map to then be checked after 1000 miles or so ;)

Also, this new combination of kit items needs a little more tweaking "out of the box" to get it right but is worth it :y Speaking of tweaking... Don't forget your vap pressure will be well out after we were trying to get it running the other day... You want between 1.1 and 1.2 bar IIRC :y
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: TheBoy on 01 June 2011, 18:38:37
It is possible to do it in 2 days - we've done MV6 (ignoring the associated issues it suffered) and your estate now, in 2 days.

Yet TBE was 3 days (admittedly the loom mods and the manifold drilling were done on the day)...

...so even without issues, 2 days is sometimes possible, but not feasible.

Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: TheBoy on 01 June 2011, 18:39:25
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Ahh... That breakage ::) That was just TB being heavy handed :-X
Everything on yours seemed to be brittle for some reason  :-/   :-[
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 01 June 2011, 21:16:40
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Ahh... That breakage ::) That was just TB being heavy handed :-X
Everything on yours seemed to be brittle for some reason  :-/   :-[

Full service history ::) ::)

Inspected and passed today, after a brief discussion about the location of the Vaporiser ::) ::)

Can you do the fuel change paperwork at the post office (ones that do tax) or do you need to visit a DVLA office?
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Post by: TheBoy on 01 June 2011, 21:20:37
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Ahh... That breakage ::) That was just TB being heavy handed :-X
Everything on yours seemed to be brittle for some reason  :-/   :-[

Full service history ::) ::)

Inspected and passed today, after a brief discussion about the location of the Vaporiser ::) ::)

Can you do the fuel change paperwork at the post office (ones that do tax) or do you need to visit a DVLA office?
Wassup with evap location?

Both mine, I sent the logbook off to DVLA, though that said, I haven't had the Elite one back yet :o
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 01 June 2011, 21:51:07
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Ahh... That breakage ::) That was just TB being heavy handed :-X
Everything on yours seemed to be brittle for some reason  :-/   :-[

Full service history ::) ::)

Inspected and passed today, after a brief discussion about the location of the Vaporiser ::) ::)

Can you do the fuel change paperwork at the post office (ones that do tax) or do you need to visit a DVLA office?
Wassup with evap location?

Both mine, I sent the logbook off to DVLA, though that said, I haven't had the Elite one back yet :o

Elite one should also be a change of Tax disc ;) ;)
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 01 June 2011, 21:54:37
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Wassup with evap location?

Moaned that it was within 250mm of exhaust system, until I pointed out that the exhaust was shielded ::)

Also complained about spacing of pipe clips ::)

I shoved a copy of COP 11 under his nose and pointed out that it was converted above and beyond the standards laid down there ;D

He did comment that it was a very tidy installation and was surprised when I said it was DIY'd :y

Oh... And even after my rant he has offered to help out with small parts and odds & sods if Teilo proves too hard to get hold of :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 02 June 2011, 19:40:15
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Ahh... That breakage ::) That was just TB being heavy handed :-X
Everything on yours seemed to be brittle for some reason  :-/   :-[

Full service history ::) ::)

Inspected and passed today, after a brief discussion about the location of the Vaporiser ::) ::)

Can you do the fuel change paperwork at the post office (ones that do tax) or do you need to visit a DVLA office?
Wassup with evap location?

Both mine, I sent the logbook off to DVLA, though that said, I haven't had the Elite one back yet :o

Elite one should also be a change of Tax disc ;) ;)
I rang the DVLA, seeing as it was around 5th May I sent off my logbook.  They have lost it  >:(

I now have to wait a couple of weeks for one of them to ring me to decide the next steps...
Title: Re: A massive thanks to a few members
Post by: Lazydocker on 02 June 2011, 21:49:42
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Ahh... That breakage ::) That was just TB being heavy handed :-X
Everything on yours seemed to be brittle for some reason  :-/   :-[

Full service history ::) ::)

Inspected and passed today, after a brief discussion about the location of the Vaporiser ::) ::)

Can you do the fuel change paperwork at the post office (ones that do tax) or do you need to visit a DVLA office?
Wassup with evap location?

Both mine, I sent the logbook off to DVLA, though that said, I haven't had the Elite one back yet :o

Elite one should also be a change of Tax disc ;) ;)
I rang the DVLA, seeing as it was around 5th May I sent off my logbook.  They have lost it  >:(

I now have to wait a couple of weeks for one of them to ring me to decide the next steps...

I was pleasantly surprised today actually... Went into local DVLA office, waited about 15 minutes then sat down in front of some fella... "You need to fill a form in sir, to exchange the Tax Disc. Wait there a moment and I'll get one for you........ When you've filled it in, just come straight back to me, without queuing again, and I'll sort it out"

Then I returned, he took all the paperwork from me and handed me a new tax disc... Then told me my rebate will be in the post from Swansea..... All £3.86 of it ::) ::)

But I have to say... Top service :y :y
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Post by: CaptainZok on 02 June 2011, 22:24:08
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Ahh... That breakage ::) That was just TB being heavy handed :-X
Everything on yours seemed to be brittle for some reason  :-/   :-[

Full service history ::) ::)

Inspected and passed today, after a brief discussion about the location of the Vaporiser ::) ::)

Can you do the fuel change paperwork at the post office (ones that do tax) or do you need to visit a DVLA office?
Wassup with evap location?

Both mine, I sent the logbook off to DVLA, though that said, I haven't had the Elite one back yet :o

Elite one should also be a change of Tax disc ;) ;)
I rang the DVLA, seeing as it was around 5th May I sent off my logbook.  They have lost it  >:(

I now have to wait a couple of weeks for one of them to ring me to decide the next steps...

I was pleasantly surprised today actually... Went into local DVLA office, waited about 15 minutes then sat down in front of some fella... "You need to fill a form in sir, to exchange the Tax Disc. Wait there a moment and I'll get one for you........ When you've filled it in, just come straight back to me, without queuing again, and I'll sort it out"

Then I returned, he took all the paperwork from me and handed me a new tax disc... Then told me my rebate will be in the post from Swansea..... All £3.86 of it ::) ::)

But I have to say... Top service :y :y

He won't last in that job then. ;D ;D