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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: cleggy on 11 June 2011, 07:27:23
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I have been told by my sons solicitor ( long story), that the type of speed cameras that calculate your average speed over a set distance are useless if you change lanes. :y
This is based on the fact that they are set to monitor single lanes on a multi lane road.
I've not tried it, but does anyone know if this is true.
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Only one way to find out ::)
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There have been threads on this subject before with the same opinion. I have tried it and nothing came through the door, so may well be true ::)
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There have been threads on this subject before with the same opinion. I have tried it and nothing came through the door, so may well be true ::)
Keep trying it on a daily basis and report back in 6 months time :y
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Only one way to find out
Well volunteered :y
Don't yet know of anyone caught by an average speed camera, though personally I would rather not be the first ::)
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Only one way to find out ::)
Obviously not nominating yourself ::), as you only drive in the slow lane anyway ;D
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It definitely used to be true... but then I read somewhere that the loophole had been closed. I cant be sure though...
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It definitely used to be true... but then I read somewhere that the loophole had been closed. I cant be sure though...
I was going to post the same thing.Have heard that it was changed, but dont know for certain. :-/
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As above, the software has improved greatly since SPECS was first introduced.
You can also tell your sons solicitor that 1 SPECS camera can monitor up to 4 lanes simultaneously.
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May be of use..... :y
http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/specs.htm
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I always set the cruise to 50mph when going through an average speed zone and bumble along...... ::)
I'm always amazed at the number of cars that zip by at 60-70+ and stand on the brakes when they see the camera!! and if their not zipping by their almost in my boot!! >:(
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I always set the cruise to 50mph when going through an average speed zone and bumble along...... ::)
I'm always amazed at the number of cars that zip by at 60-70+ and stand on the brakes when they see the camera!! and if their not zipping by their almost in my boot!! >:(
Yep.. It's a sad sign of the times when the general populace can't understand the meaning of big words like "average". :(
I do the opposite. Reset the average speed on the MID when I enter the SPECS zone then, if I get held up and my average drops, I know what I can get away with. ;D After all, it's the average speed that counts. ::)
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I always set the cruise to 50mph when going through an average speed zone and bumble along...... ::)
I'm always amazed at the number of cars that zip by at 60-70+ and stand on the brakes when they see the camera!! and if their not zipping by their almost in my boot!! >:(
Yep.. It's a sad sign of the times when the general populace can't understand the meaning of big words like "average". :(
I do the opposite. Reset the average speed on the MID when I enter the SPECS zone then, if I get held up and my average drops, I know what I can get away with. ;D After all, it's the average speed that counts. ::)
Dead right - I do the same, but 'cos we've got a GLS spec; I just 'relax' the right foot! ;D
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I always set the cruise to 50mph when going through an average speed zone and bumble along...... ::)
I'm always amazed at the number of cars that zip by at 60-70+ and stand on the brakes when they see the camera!! and if their not zipping by their almost in my boot!! >:(
Yep.. It's a sad sign of the times when the general populace can't understand the meaning of big words like "average". :(
I do the opposite. Reset the average speed on the MID when I enter the SPECS zone then, if I get held up and my average drops, I know what I can get away with. ;D After all, it's the average speed that counts. ::)
;D ;D ;D excactly what i do havent had a ticket yet(touch wood). also what i do it put my sun visor down to cover my face (cause im ugly ;D) so the camera cant see whos driving :)
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I see an entirely different thing here.
It is wise to have some form of deterrent or equipment to provide evidence of infringement but there seems to be a trend developing where regulations are increasingly being enforced by remote means.
Because such equipment can operate around the clock there will soon be no escape from the ever watchful eyes of the authorities.
The worrying thing about these cameras also carrying ANPR is that the movements of any individual can be monitored on a soon to be real-time basis – this raises justifiable concerns of an encroaching infringement on civil liberties.
Couple that with the ability of the authorities to extend the technology for use in road-price/journey-time regulations it doesn’t take much thought to realize that our ability to live as we have been doing will soon be a thing of the past.
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I have been told by my sons solicitor ( long story), that the type of speed cameras that calculate your average speed over a set distance are useless if you change lanes. :y
This is based on the fact that they are set to monitor single lanes on a multi lane road.
I've not tried it, but does anyone know if this is true.
that was sort of true as the technology on old A P N R modules did not recognise the symmetry of your number plate if it was picked up by a different camera...but its not true now and we have had the improved modules for 2 years now :y
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I still dont know anyone who has a fine resulting from an Average Speed camera. So is it all a con? If so, it seems to work for 90% of the traffic, just not bikes or foreign cars. I just set the cruise at 55 mph, never caught yet! Allowing for 10% leway and the fact all cars read about 3mph out.
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I have been told by my sons solicitor ( long story), that the type of speed cameras that calculate your average speed over a set distance are useless if you change lanes. :y
This is based on the fact that they are set to monitor single lanes on a multi lane road.
I've not tried it, but does anyone know if this is true.
that was sort of true as the technology on old A P N R modules did not recognise the symmetry of your number plate if it was picked up by a different camera...but its not true now and we have had the improved modules for 2 years now :y
The technology was irrelevant. It was illegal for them to use them for different lanes, as they hadnt been type approved to do so. The law needed to be changed,or the type approval sought to allow them to be used in that way. I have heard (anecdotally) that this happened, but Im not certain. :y
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that will be why it says stay in lane at the beginging of roadworks etc that have these
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Just buy yourself a Polish registered Opel AKA Miggy. The Polish authorities refuse to give the details of the registered keeper of the vehical to the U.K police ;)
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The worrying thing about these cameras also carrying ANPR is that the movements of any individual can be monitored on a soon to be real-time basis – this raises justifiable concerns of an encroaching infringement on civil liberties.
It's very effective in combating more serious crime, though, as I'm sure you'll appreciate. I've been to a couple of presentations by the ANPR manager of a local constabulary on their network and the kind of data mining they can do to combat dangerous criminals. Quite an eye opener.
He's also very defensive about the network and where the information goes. He's not a fan of speed cameras at all because he's got bigger fish to fry and needs the public's support.
The day the network is used for summary speeding convictions, road charging, the data sold to insurance companies or used to beat us up over our carbon footprint is the day the real benefits of the network will evaporate, IMHO.
I fully expect it to happen, however. :(
Kevin
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The worrying thing about these cameras also carrying ANPR is that the movements of any individual can be monitored on a soon to be real-time basis – this raises justifiable concerns of an encroaching infringement on civil liberties.
It's very effective in combating more serious crime, though, as I'm sure you'll appreciate. I've been to a couple of presentations by the ANPR manager of a local constabulary on their network and the kind of data mining they can do to combat dangerous criminals. Quite an eye opener.
He's also very defensive about the network and where the information goes. He's not a fan of speed cameras at all because he's got bigger fish to fry and needs the public's support.
The day the network is used for summary speeding convictions, road charging, the data sold to insurance companies or used to beat us up over our carbon footprint is the day the real benefits of the network will evaporate, IMHO.
I fully expect it to happen, however. :(
Kevin
or installed without "consultation"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10337961
most of the visable cameras (anpr) have been removed at a cost. + cost of initial installation.
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or installed without "consultation"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10337961
most of the visable cameras (anpr) have been removed at a cost. + cost of initial installation.
That's the tip of the iceberg. They were just too obvious. ;)
According to what this guy was saying, nothing moves on the roads without leaving a trail of evidence.
There are certainly cameras at every major road into and out of the county, and collaboration between counties should suspects move further afield.
Kevin
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The worrying thing about these cameras also carrying ANPR is that the movements of any individual can be monitored on a soon to be real-time basis – this raises justifiable concerns of an encroaching infringement on civil liberties.
It's very effective in combating more serious crime, though, as I'm sure you'll appreciate. I've been to a couple of presentations by the ANPR manager of a local constabulary on their network and the kind of data mining they can do to combat dangerous criminals. Quite an eye opener.
He's also very defensive about the network and where the information goes. He's not a fan of speed cameras at all because he's got bigger fish to fry and needs the public's support.
The day the network is used for summary speeding convictions, road charging, the data sold to insurance companies or used to beat us up over our carbon footprint is the day the real benefits of the network will evaporate, IMHO.
I fully expect it to happen, however. :(
Kevin
I certainly agree that technology has enabled the war on crime much easier to wage, and when I think back to the early days when we had one car (a 2.8 Granada) outfitted with a data terminal for text only comms in 'sensitive' operations, it is plain to see that the lack of readily useable technology had a real impact on how crime – especially serious crime - was tackled.
I have seen a lot of change in my time and now, in the final few months before I collect my pension, I can see that this job (for the non specialist officers) has grown into something far removed from the traditional and into the confrontational and pejorative.
This move is being assisted by the use of technology and it risks breaking the compact between the physical face of policing and the people being policed which, in my view, is a bad thing because if one develops a system where people feel that they can’t make a move without running the risk of coming under the notice of the authorities, those people will develop sentiments which will eventually run contrary to the very necessary relationship between the police and the public – a relationship built and maintained on the exchange of physical interaction between human beings.
We are moving, quite unmistakably, into an authoritarian state, and this technology is assisting the state to develop a means to go far beyond the apparently innocuous reasons for deploying it in the first place.
I am aware of how this data is disseminated and collated and am afraid to say it dismays me.
Technology is necessary in modern policing but the application of it, by certain elements within authority, will ultimately give good cause to those who consider that we now face living in a police state, where privacy will be lost and any transgression noted and dealt with by way of sanction, to believe that they are correct in their assumption.
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swapping lane can work but it may not
reason being specs cams are paired on lanes but what lane you don't know
that's why its a bit of a gamble but most of the time you get away with it
bloody great loop hole in ANPR with fixed cams
which make a mockery of the terrorist bull shit excuse is
99% of em are front facing
so if you local Arab want to go on the rampage if they turn up on motorcycles there's no front plate to read :y
simple truth is now all the controlling governments wet dreams are coming true due technological advances
its all about controlling the pesants
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I certainly agree that technology has enabled the war on crime much easier to wage, and when I think back to the early days when we had one car (a 2.8 Granada) outfitted with a data terminal for text only comms in 'sensitive' operations, it is plain to see that the lack of readily useable technology had a real impact on how crime – especially serious crime - was tackled.
I have seen a lot of change in my time and now, in the final few months before I collect my pension, I can see that this job (for the non specialist officers) has grown into something far removed from the traditional and into the confrontational and pejorative.
This move is being assisted by the use of technology and it risks breaking the compact between the physical face of policing and the people being policed which, in my view, is a bad thing because if one develops a system where people feel that they can’t make a move without running the risk of coming under the notice of the authorities, those people will develop sentiments which will eventually run contrary to the very necessary relationship between the police and the public – a relationship built and maintained on the exchange of physical interaction between human beings.
We are moving, quite unmistakably, into an authoritarian state, and this technology is assisting the state to develop a means to go far beyond the apparently innocuous reasons for deploying it in the first place.
I am aware of how this data is disseminated and collated and am afraid to say it dismays me.
Technology is necessary in modern policing but the application of it, by certain elements within authority, will ultimately give good cause to those who consider that we now face living in a police state, where privacy will be lost and any transgression noted and dealt with by way of sanction, to believe that they are correct in their assumption.
Yes, I can appreciate your concerns. :(
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I certainly agree that technology has enabled the war on crime much easier to wage, and when I think back to the early days when we had one car (a 2.8 Granada) outfitted with a data terminal for text only comms in 'sensitive' operations, it is plain to see that the lack of readily useable technology had a real impact on how crime – especially serious crime - was tackled.
I have seen a lot of change in my time and now, in the final few months before I collect my pension, I can see that this job (for the non specialist officers) has grown into something far removed from the traditional and into the confrontational and pejorative.
This move is being assisted by the use of technology and it risks breaking the compact between the physical face of policing and the people being policed which, in my view, is a bad thing because if one develops a system where people feel that they can’t make a move without running the risk of coming under the notice of the authorities, those people will develop sentiments which will eventually run contrary to the very necessary relationship between the police and the public – a relationship built and maintained on the exchange of physical interaction between human beings.
We are moving, quite unmistakably, into an authoritarian state, and this technology is assisting the state to develop a means to go far beyond the apparently innocuous reasons for deploying it in the first place.
I am aware of how this data is disseminated and collated and am afraid to say it dismays me.
Technology is necessary in modern policing but the application of it, by certain elements within authority, will ultimately give good cause to those who consider that we now face living in a police state, where privacy will be lost and any transgression noted and dealt with by way of sanction, to believe that they are correct in their assumption.
Yes, I can appreciate your concerns. :(
1984, just a bit late......
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The technology was irrelevant. It was illegal for them to use them for different lanes, as they hadnt been type approved to do so. The law needed to be changed,or the type approval sought to allow them to be used in that way. I have heard (anecdotally) that this happened, but Im not certain. :y[/quote
i have been in the cctv industry for over 20 years and played with anpr for over 10 years and trust me the technology was very relevent as for type approval that was all down the old british standard being out of datethat is now why we work to a european standard :y
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It was irrelevant in the sense that whether it worked or not, it wasnt legal to bring prosecutions with evidence which had been gathered using it -although iirc they did until some smart lawyer pointed out the error of their ways. ;)
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It was irrelevant in the sense that whether it worked or not, it wasnt legal to bring prosecutions with evidence which had been gathered using it -although iirc they did until some smart lawyer pointed out the error of their ways. ;)
I still can't fathom how people are being convicted of speeding based on evidence from the LTI-2020, especially when it clocks brick walls at 58mph
http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/southwest/series7/speed-cameras.shtml