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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Bionic on 26 July 2011, 07:06:39
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Please make sensible comments only and please, please do not take this as an opportunity to poke fun or stand on a soapbox! It is far too serious a subject which directly affects us all for jokes. :(
Having listened to the news this morning about the shootings in Norway being related to immigration it has brought about a train of thought that it may well be more prevelant than any of us imagine. Over the years this country, and many others have taken into its arms the refugees and disaffected from many other nationalities and faiths with open arms. We have given them a comfortable life without in the main any contribution from them before they were given funds and homes we had to subsidise from our taxes. That was, and continues unabated or restricted to be a humanitarian act and one to be applauded if the circumstances were true and proven. To abuse it as it has been many times is not acceptable. In retrospect this has now bitten us all in the ass because we have literally sold out our heritage to the immigrants who now abuse the system . All you have to do is to visit any city and you will find that there are enclaves of little cities within cities of the different faiths and cultures. That is not, IMHO, and never can be described as an 'integration' into our society of immigrants and refugees of whatever calling. It appears to me that they have created their own seperate society with in ours. Surely integration means that they ought to be a part of the general population and as such be much more widely spread throughout the general population, not grouped in their own seperate enclaves? That is almost the philosphy of a Ghetto is it not?
Will a Norway scenario ever occur here? In my train of thought at some point it will most probably be inevitable I am sorry to say.
Am I personally against immigration? NO.....but it should be tightly controlled and sensible because this country is British and British the culture should mainly be. We are rapidly losing our identity and Leicester is now sadly a prime example by being the first English city where the nationality of the city population has been stated as 'equal' or 50/50. ::) That is an eye opener, or it should be!
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pretty much agree with everything you said :y
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It is not rascist to want to stop immigration. It is rascist if you want to stop one particular group from coming here.
Personally I would stop all immigration, I do not care about who you are or where you are from or politics or your religious traits, no one, and I mean no one else to come in, including from the EU.
I would prefer if we helped out others countries to be a better place. The problem with that is the money is whisked away by corrupt charities and corrupt governments receiving monies or goods.
I do not know the answer.
Would suggest the immigrant communities do need to become more British if they want acceptance from people like me.
Am I rascist, do I have friends colleagues who are "different" to me. Yes I work with people from all over the world. I admit these people are some of the brightest people in the world (I am average intelligence) and are very nice people to work and socialise with. One of my closest friends is South Korean.. and in no particular order I know Germans, French, Maltese, Chinese, British Chinese, French Guyanan, Irish, Canadians and Americans. who I constantly tell the Americans I dislike their country and government and they take it a good way.
When I meet a new person one of my first questions is "where are you from" not to be rascist but to find out more about somwhere else, the thirst for knowledge if you like. Also when I meet someone from where I have been on holiday, it is good to talk about the place. If I have not been to their country it is fasinating to learn about it.
Boy can I waffle on :)
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I agree with everything you said mate, spot on :y
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I agree also glad someone said what a lot of us think.
Mind you in saying that our local pole carwash guys no make a good job even tho they can't understand you,
;D ;D ;D
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Totally agree with Bionic :y Just think its a shame we can't borrow the Australian government for a while, one which cares for "home" first, has a set and is not afraid to tell it straight and act on it.
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Ahhh, a topic that being a bus driver, i think i am well voiced on. Ok, im 35, when i was a kid at school, we did have a small majority of non white/uk pupils and that was the norm pretty much everywhere in Bristol (with exception to a small area called St Pauls which had the local Jamaican contingent)
Over the years, i have seen Polish, Romanian, Somalian, Cheqs (sp) et al coming to Bristol, just as they do every major city. Despite the economy not being at its best, a good percentage of these people dont work but yet still get housing and financial benefits of which we are all paying for.
The government would have us believe its not as bad as reported and that there are caps on how many are allowed into the country etc, but do you truly believe them because i dont, not by a long shot. Just yesterday, whilst driving past a council office in the centre of Bristol (Bond St for those that know) and all day, it had such a long queue of what were obviously non Brits lining the street in such numbers, there were two security guards outside, letting them in one at a time.
What do i get out of Britains willingness to keep the gates open and to multiculturalise (if thats a word) Britain? Crime has gone up (and for those that say its not simply because of immigrants, my Aunty who is a Detective Constable gave me a link to total crimes in the uk and the percentage commited by non uk nationals is rather shocking, moreso that they go to the rather extreme side of crime like rape and murder)
I totally agree with Sticka. Close the doors before it gets out of control and things go from bad to worse. Just remember we have the Olympics next year, ideal time for some minority group to get a point across dont you think and given the fact that First Bus drivers have been asked if they would like to provide transport for the Games in London at something silly like £900 a week with everything supplied (food, accom etc) simply the thought of that bus peeled open on 7/7 made my mind up for me.
On a side note, it is actually nice and conducive to be able to have a sensible conversation on the web regarding such high profile issuses without it sinking into a quagmire of racist and childish diatribe.
There endeth the speech.
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immigration has been quite good for me all these europeans come over become a plumber overnight and make awful mistakes and poor workmanship so i follow up after theyve been and repair there work on the other hand enough is enough the country is flooded time to shut the gates and get some deporting underway oh no we cant deport as unless they have a passport we leave them here also i believe if a immigrant visitor or whatever we call them commits a criminal offence they should be deported straight away :y
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Unfortunately, the Human Rights act gets somewhat in the way of sending back crimiminals.
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:y :y :y
Got to say that the discussion I started has been responded to with serious understanding. Only hope is that the people in the position to will hear the message the greater majority of us want heard will do as we want them to and stop them bleeding our country dry and turning it into just another suburb of their own countries with no real British identity left.
No doubt it will not stay a serious post for long though once the day has passed and someone spoils it with bad humour or the soapbox effect. ;)
Oh yeah...Polish car cleaners are the BEST!!!!!!
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A few points to concider
1) This was a policy of the last government - to try to destroy Britishness
2) We do not complain about one of the biggesst immigrant groups and this winds up the above lot - Austrailians - the above lot seem to think they are worse than various 3rd world lots.
3) Another large group are invisible - I am classed as an immigrant despite having English parents, born on crown property - there are large numbers of us and we MUST never be blocked from entering the UK. BFPO children. The lack of a BFPO box on surveys of birth placs REALLY annoys me.
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how many people have actuaaly lobbioed there mp with there concerns about the amount of immigrants coming into this country, the british are no better than the govt, until this country unites as one and demands action nothing will ever be done. fair play to the edl who demos around the country in protest at the amount of mosques being built and muslim extremism and the way we have to fit in with everyone elses culture, and all the media do is try to make them the guilty party, they have stopped money being wasted in various parts of britain going to the muslim communitys where nobody else would bother. until we get out of the eu and take back control of our own country things will only get worse.
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Martin, Being ex-forces myself I can comment on that with personal intimate knowledge and experience of it. British Forces Post Office - BFPO, that says all it has to. You are British and should quite rightly be recognised as such. It is not the BFPO children who are the problem. The problem is, as everyone knows, the sheer amount of the immigrants who arrive by fair means or foul then take this country for what they can get. Usually for more than this countries own natives can even apply for, let alone get. Dare I even mention it - here goes, it was the policy opf the last labour government that opened the immigration floodgates and then removed them completely. The EU, which we should never have joined, then exacerbated the problem and brought this matter to the situation we have today. Now the do-gooders salve their consciences and some have made, and do make their living from adivising them how to claim from the system of benefits which now favour them above the taxpayers who provide the capital for them. Rough words maybe, but truthful ones nevertheless! No wonder there are many divides which will probably never be closed. Add greed to that mixing pot and you have the makings for a civil war almost.....The only thing that stops it is that we are British and our 'stiff upper lip' and 'natural reservesness' and the old 'fair play' prevents anything from beginning. It is that trait which makes us the kicking post of the EU, no the whole world. :D Its enough to make anyone doubt their sanity :'(
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My point is I am classed as an imigrant even though I can trace back to 15th century in England :o :o
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A few points to concider
1) This was a policy of the last government - to try to destroy Britishness
2) We do not complain about one of the biggesst immigrant groups and this winds up the above lot - Austrailians - the above lot seem to think they are worse than various 3rd world lots.
3) Another large group are invisible - I am classed as an immigrant despite having English parents, born on crown property - there are large numbers of us and we MUST never be blocked from entering the UK. BFPO children. The lack of a BFPO box on surveys of birth placs REALLY annoys me.
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I'm ex forces
Agreed 100% :y
This is the way I see it.
50 years ago, imigration was not a problem.
The country had the capacity for imigrants to come here, set up home for themselfs and there family.
And put something back into there new home by working hard and intigrating :y
The problem nowdays is that this island is FULL
Those that come here only come for the "free money" >:(
They do not want to be apart of Great Britian. They don't want to intigrate with our culture or speak our language yet we just roll over and let them walk over our traditions and beliefs >:(
There are 1000's of so called refugies sat in camps in France with only on aim and that is to get across the channel, walk into the nearest social security office and demand money, clothing, phones, and a house and they get them >:(
IMO we should tell the EU to stick it where the sun don't shine, scrap the human rights bill and set up our own constitution which says too the imigrants and scum that flood our shores ............. If you come here you ............
Speak English as your 1st language.
Make a effort to intigrate with the indigenous population.
Respect our laws and traditions FIRST, then we will respect your traditions.
If they don't like it that ................. [size=14]break OFF ;) ;)[/size]
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My view on immigration is that it is like culinary seasoning. Without it, a dish can seem bland. Adding seasoning brings out the best. However there is an optimum level, beyond which the dish becomes less pleasant. If continued, the dish becomes unpalatable and the original flavour is lost. I would suggest we may well be approaching that stage in the UK. :(
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My view on immigration is that it is like culinary seasoning. Without it, a dish can seem bland. Adding seasoning brings out the best. However there is an optimum level, beyond which the dish becomes less pleasant. If continued, the dish becomes unpalatable and the original flavour is lost. I would suggest we may well be approaching that stage in the UK. :(
That was the New Labour experiment :( :(
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Agree with all of this, a small amount of migration and their assimilation into UK society has been going on for centuries and has never been a big problem. I think their food and cultures have added a lot to this country.
I'm not a racist as there only two types of people to me, those I get on with, and those that I don't. I have met good and bad in many different communities.
Mass migration first started in the 1950's and this has led to the creation of gettos and major crime and social problems.
The mega mass migration under the 13 years of the last Labour is causing major problems with crime and assimilation and fighting between groups from different countries that traditionally hate each other. Friends of mine in ethnic communities have also hated this mass migration as it has created major problems in their communities!
Governments that like mass migration love all of these problems as whole new empires of Public Servants can be created, social workers, minority outreach workers, translators, more police, court officials, prison and probation officers and all of the layers of management that goes with it... which with their heavy unionization means they get more political and union donations, to strengthen their political party, so they are more likely to get elected. (This is a positive feedback loop, which is why all Labour administrations in history have ALWAYS run out of public money).
I look at multiculturalism, if it was applied to all of the countries in the world, it would make all societies bland and the same, a bit like modern shopping centres full of multiples all selling the same product lines at the same prices!
You go into any pub and start to talk to people and they all moan about mass migration, along the lines in this forum, so I think most people, don't like what has happened.
The only good thing I can see from this mass migration is that it has boosted the number of working people to pensioners, so the aging of the population in this country will cause less problems, but this could have also been solved, by housing being more affordable and the tax system more sympathetic to the creation of families.
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First things first....The BFPO fiasco. This needs to be sorted asap because those children were born of British parents serving abroad doing active service for their country which was, and is Britain. That should be the basic fact which makes them full British citizens but who by their birthplace could if they wished to adopt a dual nationality. It is crap to suggest or imply or make them non-citizens and force them to be immigrants! Ludicrous, only Mp's could think up that one. We finally gave those hard working Ghurkas the right after many years of abandonment only because some cinema star brought their case and plight into the view of the general public. It was the ensuing outcry that forced the government to do a quick about face. The same effect should be made to happen for the BFPO children many of whom are now adults.It must truly be a rotten feeling to feel that your country has abandoned you, :'( Lets work to put that wrong right! I will now write to the MP's in this area and hope other oofers will too in their areas. Its a starting point at the very least. I shall ask why those born of british parents serving abroad are not allowed full citizenship due to the fault of this countries policies of not allowing them to return to its shores for the birth. Should they in future erect maternity hospitals inside all of the British consular compounds abroad which would then ensure the children were 'native' British born on British soil? After all - is that not the rules of the political game which is many times abused for some foreign diplomat to evade our laws and justice?
:y Great, So up to now it would appear that from the cross section of society that has answered the post it looks like it is high time that whatever authority is involved it needs to pull its fingers out of its assess, its thumb out its bum and their brains out of nuetral and get on with a solution that is permanent and that seen to be done and WORKS. It also looks like we all are fully aware of where the problem originated....with Blair and his over-educated self important wife (clone of blair with no dick) and her 'lets do a human rights act that will screw britain' philosophy. Any government following them into office would face an almost (ALMOST not impossible) task of reversing the damage they had done before dissapearing into the woodwork like the parasites they were. Labour would again have to be totally reinvented had they got in. Now we are left with a government that is try its best to satisfy everyone and it is not working as far as immigration is concerned. They need to bite the bullet and do what it takes to resolve it no matter what the rest of the world of begging countries, or their supporters think.
This is OUR country and we should reclaim it. Any do-gooder with a different point of view should emigrate to their country of choice whom they give their support to and then accept it. Their constant harping and begging demands are destroying this country but worst of all they are now putting their causes above those of their own country which is Britain! That almost amounts to treason in my book....
;) Thanks all for participating and it looks like this will roll on for a bit longer yet. The more that read it the better because it brings the subject matter out of the shadows and may even start a campaign to rectify the wrongs it highlights. ::)
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I am a full citizen but I still fit on the immigrant list.
There are no plans to marginialise us but we do get used for statistics.
My birth certificate is British and says Malta.
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cant see anything to disagree with in your original post at all Bionic. Some people seem to think that immigration will lead to integration but (whilst this may ultimately occur) the truth often looks like seperatism. There is nothing wrong in a degree of immigration but there ARE fiscal concerns as well as cultural ones. This is not a racist outlook. There are a lot of positives in multiculturism and it can be enriching-but only if people are respectful of each other. And that doesnt matter whether you're talking about Asians/Africans/East Europeans ,Muslims or Jews, Scousers or Cockneys ;D TBH, it wasnt until I got hooked on Jo Nesbo's books about a Norwegian detective that I was aware of the strong feelings over there around immigration and the strenghth of the right wing neo-nazi faction. What happened over there is clearly a great tragedy but regardless of the motivation , allowing any "nutter" (very PC I know) access to a gun could -and has-lead to similar here. :(
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cant see anything to disagree with in your original post at all Bionic. Some people seem to think that immigration will lead to integration but (whilst this may ultimately occur) the truth often looks like seperatism. There is nothing wrong in a degree of immigration but there ARE fiscal concerns as well as cultural ones. This is not a racist outlook. There are a lot of positives in multiculturism and it can be enriching-but only if people are respectful of each other. And that doesnt matter whether you're talking about Asians/Africans/East Europeans ,Muslims or Jews, Scousers or Cockneys ;D TBH, it wasnt until I got hooked on Jo Nesbo's books about a Norwegian detective that I was aware of the strong feelings over there around immigration and the strenghth of the right wing neo-nazi faction. What happened over there is clearly a great tragedy but regardless of the motivation , allowing any "nutter" (very PC I know) access to a gun could -and has-lead to similar here. :(
getting a gun in this country is easier than getting a bank account.
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Nickbat is about right cos Leicester has its eyes on being the curry capital of britain according to the local rag. The flavours here have already been ruined......
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Can't disagree there richie, but what I have noticed is that most appear to be 'available' within the immigrant and ethnic community. It began, I think with the arrival of the 'yardie' culture (whatever that is or was) and seems to have grown since. Nottingham of all places was named some time ago as the gun capital of England if I recall it correctly. Only way to stop it would be for the sentences to match the seriousness of the crime and life in prison to mean natural life without ever any release date, until death inside prison in fact. All prison sentences for gun crime should be the full sentence served without luxuries or parole or time off for good behaviour etc. Best of all would be to say sod the namby pamby objectors and bring back the death penalty. If dna proof is so positive then where can the objection be to that sort of proof supported evidence? It would cost the tax payer far less too than keeping the human detritous (waste material) so long in prison too. I am sure many would volunteer to shove the needle in.......I would be amonst the first to volunteer my services freely and lose no sleep at all over it. At least it would also give me a job cos I am too old and knackered for any other ;) :y
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DNA is not conclusive it is a checksum comparison - hence why storing everyones would not work.
There could be 100s of matches if you had everyone compared to 1 or 2 when just known problems.
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That is not the information I have been able to gather on the reliability of DNA. The fact is that you stand far more chance of winning the National Lottery jackpoy twice in a row and the Euro Millions too. Sorry, but the odds are so great that DNA evidence should be acceptable as absolute proof because the results that it gives, depending on the number of 'individual markers' in each sample makes it foolproof. Cases such as the most serious ones would obviously have to utilise the maximum number of markers in the comparison samples after which there could be no errors in identification at all - not even in twins. If the DNA comparison was not an accurate and reliable method then anyone could plead that it was not me it was my twin or doppleganger! ;)
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I am ex forces as well (a lot of us on here so it would seem :) ) but was fortunate not to have been born into a military family. I can trace my family roots back to the 1100's at last look (the internet is a fantastic tool for that) but then the history goes a bit weird as our name came about then (just for the history buffs, where most surnames are indicitive of a trade, ie Baker, Smith etc) mine is from the days when we used to charge people to ford the river Brue in Somerset. I can trace my history back so far but sometimes, even i feel like a foreigner in my own country.
I think that the open door policy should have been closed a long time ago as i am sure that one of the main problems we have is a financial one. Forget about the crime stats etc, to solve all of that all costs money of which i am sure the local councils could well do with spending on rather more important things than building accomodation that faces Mecca (or whatever it is). Thats not made up either as my sister does buildsite cleanups and that was one of her contracts. Speaking to a friend of mine in the council and i was informed that the flats would not be available to people of British descent and only to foreign nationals. We have people form our Armed services being made homeless upon leaving the forces and offering their life for the protection of us and what do they get in return? As much help the British legion can give (which isnt really a lot as much as they do help) and not a lot else.
Tis a subject i could go on for hours about but i shall let it rest for the evening :)