Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Jimbob on 01 August 2011, 09:03:45
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Its each to their own at the moment, the current guidelines dont really cover it.
If someone was doing a whole car....then I'd expect just 1 thread.
a few unrelated parts, I dont really see the issue, in some ways its easier as you dont need to go into the thread to see multiple items.
Not sure this thread was the best way to go about this, a pm to one of the admin may have been better.
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Deleted. :(
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Im guessing you find it easier to click on a thread marked 'for sale' and read the whole thing than a quick glance at an index?
Currently down to the seller how to sell.
This may, or may not change in the future.
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Maybe we should limit the number of active (non-locked) threads anyone can have at any one point in time ::)
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Hardly seems fair to bump everyone else's ad off the first page. But then that's purely a first glance view.... And hence probably ill informed...? :-/
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given new markers show what you havent seen...just click page back till no more new, read the headers, click mark forum read...
carry on, job done.
Not saying thats the best or right way....but works for me :y
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If OP would like to re-instate his original post (guessing it`s a complaint) then any or everyone would be able to express their own opinions if they have one. ;) Can`t really see the point of posting a question/complaint/query then deleting it :-/
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If OP would like to re-instate his original post (guessing it`s a complaint) then any or everyone would be able to express their own opinions if they have one. ;) Can`t really see the point of posting a question/complaint/query then deleting it :-/
It was along the lines of why do some people list each item individually...as this makes it harder to see the posts of those using one thread for several / many items and knocks them off the front page.
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IMO one post for all you have for sale and the seller can edit it IE sold/reduced etc . as i know if i had put something up for sale and a oofer came along 5 mins later and added multi items all in separate posts and moved mine off the front page id be ticked of a tad .also limit the time a item is for sale say 14 days then delete it . if its still for sale then the seller can re post it . just my tuppence worth :y
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Not having a moan at anyone, as everyone (who doesn't get deleted/moderated/moved/etc) is within the rules, but I personally think the For Sale sections need a revamp.
To my mind, its not quite the same as when they were first created (could say that for the entire forum TBH :'(), and seem to be dominated by 2 or 3 people all the time. And some people seem (or come across that way) to be here for no other reason than to make a few quid from OOF, and only participate in the help areas if they can use it as an opportunity to extend the For Sale sections.
To my mind, although perfectly within the rules, it goes against my own feelings of what OOF is about. Regulars will probably know its been grating me for some time, and I've frequently publically said I would shut down the For Sale sections as being more hassle than they are worth.
As said, this is my own personal view, and most definately not necessarily the combined view of the Admin Team (we are democratic, and frequently don't get our own (personal) ways ;D).
And not meant as a swipe at anyone/group who do use the site in the way I think they do ;)
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IMO one post for all you have for sale and the seller can edit it IE sold/reduced etc . as i know if i had put something up for sale and a oofer came along 5 mins later and added multi items all in separate posts and moved mine off the front page id be ticked of a tad .also limit the time a item is for sale say 14 days then delete it . if its still for sale then the seller can re post it . just my tuppence worth :y
Valid point :-[
Maybe something along the lines of if a member has more than say three items to sell list them in one post and three or less, individually :-/
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Maybe whole cars being broken should be listed as one item with the thread periodically updated to show what has gone what is left and when the car has gone , thread is locked.
Then other items for casual sellers, for example set of uprated rear springs surplus to requirements due to new lowered springs fitted , listed on their own.
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things . and use the revenue for the site upkeep and the like . if ppl are using the site just as a way of making a fast buck then they should expect to pay . only my opinion mind ;)
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things
That goes against one of our founding principles, so not something I personally would ever agree to.
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things . and use the revenue for the site upkeep and the like . if ppl are using the site just as a way of making a fast buck then they should expect to pay . only my opinion mind ;)
Hence the post count limit, to prevent that
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things
That goes against one of our founding principles, so not something I personally would ever agree to.
thats cool but how do you get around the fast buck guys extracting the P . :-/
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things
That goes against one of our founding principles, so not something I personally would ever agree to.
thats cool but how do you get around the fast buck guys extracting the P . :-/
Close the For Sale sections ;)
//TB knows he'll never get his way, so goes off and stomps his feet ;D
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things
That goes against one of our founding principles, so not something I personally would ever agree to.
thats cool but how do you get around the fast buck guys extracting the P . :-/
Does this refer to members who break cars (myself included) :question
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things . and use the revenue for the site upkeep and the like . if ppl are using the site just as a way of making a fast buck then they should expect to pay . only my opinion mind ;)
Hence the post count limit, to prevent that
Its far from the most ideal method, and still open to abuse.
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can you increase the thread count for a particular section?
Instead of having just 20 (or what ever it is threads per page) make it 200?
I guess DB query time would be an issue, but do that many people access it compared with Gen chat?
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can you increase the thread count for a particular section?
Instead of having just 20 (or what ever it is threads per page) make it 200?
I guess DB query time would be an issue, but do that many people access it compared with Gen chat?
PMSL ;D
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things
That goes against one of our founding principles, so not something I personally would ever agree to.
thats cool but how do you get around the fast buck guys extracting the P . :-/
Does this refer to members who break cars (myself included) :question
NO AS YOU POST IN OTHER PARTS OF THE FORUM AND HELP OUT . oops caps sorry :) . alot dont they just come in and post sale stuff and go . :(
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(close the for sale section) GASP One would hope not!
It has been a valuable source of parts for me for the last five years. Parts that the vendor knows will fit my car. It would be very sad to see it close.
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can you increase the thread count for a particular section?
Instead of having just 20 (or what ever it is threads per page) make it 200?
I guess DB query time would be an issue, but do that many people access it compared with Gen chat?
PMSL ;D
That said, technically it is a database of sorts. And its certainly kind of a query, in a woolly kind of way.
In a nutshell, Tunnie, I don't think that is feasible :y
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things
That goes against one of our founding principles, so not something I personally would ever agree to.
thats cool but how do you get around the fast buck guys extracting the P . :-/
Does this refer to members who break cars (myself included) :question
I would say No...
But there are those who only ever seem to contribute if theres a sale to be made.
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can you increase the thread count for a particular section?
Instead of having just 20 (or what ever it is threads per page) make it 200?
I guess DB query time would be an issue, but do that many people access it compared with Gen chat?
PMSL ;D
That said, technically it is a database of sorts. And its certainly kind of a query, in a woolly kind of way.
In a nutshell, Tunnie, I don't think that is feasible :y
It must be stored someware, and when posts read pulled out of something!
Quick google suggests Yabb is not supporting MySQL? :-/
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i would personally charge a one off fee to sell things
That goes against one of our founding principles, so not something I personally would ever agree to.
thats cool but how do you get around the fast buck guys extracting the P . :-/
Does this refer to members who break cars (myself included) :question
I specifically haven't mentioned in my rants (remember, my own personal comments, not 'Admin viewpoint') specific users.
You've been here long enough to know the unwritten, undefined 'OOF spirit', so can make your own mind if you fall within it or not. I'm not getting into a conversation at this point who does and who doesn't in my opinion :y
Though in a nutshell, if a member only sells stuff, and only enters the help section to post (s)he has the required part for sale to fix a specific problem, then thats not in (my interpretation) the spirit :y
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can you increase the thread count for a particular section?
Instead of having just 20 (or what ever it is threads per page) make it 200?
I guess DB query time would be an issue, but do that many people access it compared with Gen chat?
PMSL ;D
That said, technically it is a database of sorts. And its certainly kind of a query, in a woolly kind of way.
In a nutshell, Tunnie, I don't think that is feasible :y
It must be stored someware, and when posts read pulled out of something!
Quick google suggests Yabb is not supporting MySQL? :-/
YaBB doesn't support any RDBMS, hence my little chuckle to myself ;D
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More browsing I see Yabb is in desperate need to Perl developers :( :-/
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More browsing I see Yabb is in desperate need to Perl developers :( :-/
YaBB is dead. No more. Gone. Its a deceased.... ....cue Monty Python's Dead Parrot sketch...
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More browsing I see Yabb is in desperate need to Perl developers :( :-/
YaBB is dead. No more. Gone. Its a deceased.... ....cue Monty Python's Dead Parrot sketch...
Only got to end of Page 1 of that recent thread.
Bugger.
Looking to covert the current board then. From a user's perspective vBulletin works well?
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More browsing I see Yabb is in desperate need to Perl developers :( :-/
YaBB is dead. No more. Gone. Its a deceased.... ....cue Monty Python's Dead Parrot sketch...
Only got to end of Page 1 of that recent thread.
Bugger.
Looking to covert the current board then. From a user's perspective vBulletin works well?
;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
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More browsing I see Yabb is in desperate need to Perl developers :( :-/
YaBB is dead. No more. Gone. Its a deceased.... ....cue Monty Python's Dead Parrot sketch...
Only got to end of Page 1 of that recent thread.
Bugger.
Looking to covert the current board then. From a user's perspective vBulletin works well?
;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
What? It does! Ever tried searching for something using the boards engine rather than Google? Takes forever!
GS forum runs on vBulletin, you can search threads dating back over a decade in seconds, Yabb strugges searching a few days :-/
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I wasnt having a pop at it ;)
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More browsing I see Yabb is in desperate need to Perl developers :( :-/
YaBB is dead. No more. Gone. Its a deceased.... ....cue Monty Python's Dead Parrot sketch...
Only got to end of Page 1 of that recent thread.
Bugger.
Looking to covert the current board then. From a user's perspective vBulletin works well?
From a moderator perspective it works well.
No working options to get from one to the other though ;)
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More browsing I see Yabb is in desperate need to Perl developers :( :-/
YaBB is dead. No more. Gone. Its a deceased.... ....cue Monty Python's Dead Parrot sketch...
Only got to end of Page 1 of that recent thread.
Bugger.
Looking to covert the current board then. From a user's perspective vBulletin works well?
;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
What? It does! Ever tried searching for something using the boards engine rather than Google? Takes forever!
GS forum runs on vBulletin, you can search threads dating back over a decade in seconds, Yabb strugges searching a few days :-/
vBulletin has a so-so search. Its just YaBB's is poorer than useless ;)
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just a thought (know its rare ::))
do we have to port everything? Can we just not 'archive' current posts into a not post-able format, leave just for searching?
Start fresh with new board, on the recently new hardware, rather than trying to ram a 2ton square peg into a round hole? By getting Yabb to convert which looks and get impression a bit of a mission.
After all how often do we go past page 2 on boards?
Things like guides will need to be looked at, to be brought into new pages, which I don't mind giving time up to 'migrate' them.
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just a thought (know its rare ::))
do we have to port everything? Can we just not 'archive' current posts into a not post-able format, leave just for searching?
Start fresh with new board, on the recently new hardware, rather than trying to ram a 2ton square peg into a round hole? By getting Yabb to convert which looks and get impression a bit of a mission.
After all how often do we go past page 2 on boards?
Things like guides will need to be looked at, to be brought into new pages, which I don't mind giving time up to 'migrate' them.
That doesn't cure the issue of search, which as you correctly point out, is a useful feature on any 'help' type forum...
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BTW, vBulletin is not on the list of possible replacements any more. It was only tested to shut up a certain Welsh admin :-X ;D
It falls over on a key function, unless we extensively modify it, which we wouldn't:
a) because its unclear from their licence if we can modify the underlying code
b) its a major task to do simple updates.
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just a thought (know its rare ::))
do we have to port everything? Can we just not 'archive' current posts into a not post-able format, leave just for searching?
Start fresh with new board, on the recently new hardware, rather than trying to ram a 2ton square peg into a round hole? By getting Yabb to convert which looks and get impression a bit of a mission.
After all how often do we go past page 2 on boards?
Things like guides will need to be looked at, to be brought into new pages, which I don't mind giving time up to 'migrate' them.
That doesn't cure the issue of search, which as you correctly point out, is a useful feature on any 'help' type forum...
Simplicity I found is always best. Can we not archive all threads to look like this? (random google find)
http://www.beesource.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-229953.html
Convert / import this to a mySQL database?
Which then vB can search?
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just a thought (know its rare ::))
do we have to port everything? Can we just not 'archive' current posts into a not post-able format, leave just for searching?
Start fresh with new board, on the recently new hardware, rather than trying to ram a 2ton square peg into a round hole? By getting Yabb to convert which looks and get impression a bit of a mission.
After all how often do we go past page 2 on boards?
Things like guides will need to be looked at, to be brought into new pages, which I don't mind giving time up to 'migrate' them.
That doesn't cure the issue of search, which as you correctly point out, is a useful feature on any 'help' type forum...
Simplicity I found is always best. Can we not archive all threads to look like this? (random google find)
http://www.beesource.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-229953.html
Convert / import this to a mySQL database?
Which then vB can search?
vB will not be used for OOF. It doesn't work. End of discussion for vB.
But I see what you're getting at if we do migrate, but think a native import will always work better. We will have to leave the old YaBB up though, as we have too many incoming links to specific pages, not least from search engines.
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just a thought (know its rare ::))
do we have to port everything? Can we just not 'archive' current posts into a not post-able format, leave just for searching?
Start fresh with new board, on the recently new hardware, rather than trying to ram a 2ton square peg into a round hole? By getting Yabb to convert which looks and get impression a bit of a mission.
After all how often do we go past page 2 on boards?
Things like guides will need to be looked at, to be brought into new pages, which I don't mind giving time up to 'migrate' them.
That doesn't cure the issue of search, which as you correctly point out, is a useful feature on any 'help' type forum...
Simplicity I found is always best. Can we not archive all threads to look like this? (random google find)
http://www.beesource.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-229953.html
Convert / import this to a mySQL database?
Which then vB can search?
vB will not be used for OOF. It doesn't work. End of discussion for vB.
But I see what you're getting at if we do migrate, but think a native import will always work better. We will have to leave the old YaBB up though, as we have too many incoming links to specific pages, not least from search engines.
Not saying it has to be for vB, just an example :y
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I have mixed feelings on the subject of the for sale section.
I cant deny I have done well out of it in recent months, but there can be a whole load of aggro involved as well.
From a sellers perspective - most people you sell to are a pleasure to deal with, probably about two thirds of them imo.
There are some though who seem to think that transactions on here shouldnt be business like, normal accepted rules of buying/selling dont apply. If its £50 at a scrappy they want it for a tenner, and are deeply offended if you want £25. Think you are ripping of a fellow member etc.
Some folks dont seem to appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into removing parts, packaging the parts and organising delivery etc.
From a buyers perspective, I personally dont feel comfortable about complaining when something is obviously sub standard when it arrives as it could start a big argument on the forum, whereas on ebay for example I would feel free to leave negative feedback.
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I have mixed feelings on the subject of the for sale section.
I cant deny I have done well out of it in recent months, but there can be a whole load of aggro involved as well.
From a sellers perspective - most people you sell to are a pleasure to deal with, probably about two thirds of them imo.
There are some though who seem to think that transactions on here shouldnt be business like, normal accepted rules of buying/selling dont apply. If its £50 at a scrappy they want it for a tenner, and are deeply offended if you want £25. Think you are ripping of a fellow member etc.Some folks dont seem to appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into removing parts, packaging the parts and organising delivery etc.
From a buyers perspective, I personally dont feel comfortable about complaining when something is obviously sub standard when it arrives as it could start a big argument on the forum, whereas on ebay for example I would feel free to leave negative feedback.
Have to agree on all points Albs. Personally speaking if I list any part/s here the price is lower than what I ask for on the bay, and everything is always open to offers. One of the annoying aspects is when you`re asked for certain item/s then your PM`s get ignored. C`est la vie 8-)
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Yep - I have replied to threads where someone has asked for a part urgently and offered to send it off next morning,they dont even have the courtesy to reply. I just assume they already found one from another source. Not good manners imo. ;)
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i think the idea of a limit of 3 seperat parts threads is a good one.
then, one thread for a car breaking, with prices next to a list of parts, (should stop stupid offers on cheap parts)
another forum i use have rules on listings that seems to work well, theres a format of what should be in the title ie part/car year, location and price. then in the thread a format of what has to be listed ie tax mot miles, which stops a million questions. and then theres purgatory! obviously a sticky with "read before posting" of the rules, if you fail then ad is moved to purgatory, so if someone starts listing lots of threads rather then one it gets moved.
can you increase the amount of threads in each section? so things dont fall off the page so quick, its not a big problem to click through pages if the info in the title is there.
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Yep - I have replied to threads where someone has asked for a part urgently and offered to send it off next morning,they dont even have the courtesy to reply. I just assume they already found one from another source. Not good manners imo. ;)
..................but if you were selling a £20 note for a fiver.............
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If Im looking for a part I scroll through pages of ads for the previous month, as parts often dont get sold but the ad is still there, a few pages back.I dont see why that would be a problem for anyone else to do if they need something tbh. :-/