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Title: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Richie London on 04 August 2011, 11:52:44
mps could be forced into a debate going by the new e petitions scheme set up by the govt.a 100k petition will force a debate as the eu one has started and climbing rapidly.  now i would definatly be in favour for it for child sex 0ffenders rapists and terrorists, and some cases of murder in extreme cases.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mps-may-forced-vote-death-penalty-071625418.html
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Varche on 04 August 2011, 12:09:32
It will never fly but there is hope for the EU one....... :y
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: albitz on 04 August 2011, 12:28:26
I think the Human rights act would override anything that was decided or voted on regarding the death penalty.
I have always been against the death penalty, but Im weakening.
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Varche on 04 August 2011, 12:35:38
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I think the Human rights act would override anything that was decided or voted on regarding the death penalty.
I have always been against the death penalty, but Im weakening.

Likewise I am against the death penalty but as you know Albs I would always be prepared to weaken for any banker  ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Martin_1962 on 04 August 2011, 12:36:28
The following need killing

Killed while commiting a crime - eg armed robbers killing
100% proven murderers with NO reasons (ie not beaten wives ect)
Child sex perverts - the ones who actually do it and I mean real children as well


Heavy sentences for
People who just make everyones lives hell, persistant burglars ect

Personal crimes to be punished heavier than corporate crimes
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 04 August 2011, 12:50:01
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I think the Human rights act would override anything that was decided or voted on regarding the death penalty.
I have always been against the death penalty, but Im weakening.

Likewise I am against the death penalty but as you know Albs I would always be prepared to weaken for any banker  ;D ;D ;D :y


I would make an exception for bankers too.....They contribute nothing to society. :y
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: cleggy on 04 August 2011, 13:25:31
The site doesn't work too well at the moment I suppose it is because of the number of hits it is getting. There does seem to more than one petition for similiar subjects.
Pull out of the EU, and all that goes it  would go straight to the top.
Notice the wording, could, may be, debated YEAH RIGHT  :( :( If there is enough Parliamentry time left :(
We are talking about MPs here :(
I will certainly sign for  A Referendum on EU Membership, Hanging, Burka and Veil Ban, and of course Getting Rid Of Human Rights. :y :y :y :y 

AND IN THE LEAD IS............ F1 free to air :y :y :y
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: rbrueford on 04 August 2011, 22:46:17
I have always believed in the Death Penalty but as long as the evidence is irrefutable (sp) and the crime deserves it (like the aformentioned ones) however, i honestly think the human rights brigade will win this one.
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: albitz on 04 August 2011, 22:50:53
I would certainly make an exception for people who are stupid and bigotted enough to generalise about millions of people all across the world who are employed in one particular industry. ::)
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Terbs on 05 August 2011, 00:11:21
There has been discussion about this on Radio 4 a lot today, with MP's etc.....and in a nutshell...its dead in the water before it starts. :y
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: albitz on 05 August 2011, 00:22:00
Yep - its more government by gimmick, by the heir to Blair. >:(
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Vamps on 05 August 2011, 00:30:53
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The following need killing

Killed while commiting a crime - eg armed robbers killing
100% proven murderers with NO reasons (ie not beaten wives ect)
Child sex perverts - the ones who actually do it and I mean real children as well


Heavy sentences for
People who just make everyones lives hell, persistant burglars ect

Personal crimes to be punished heavier than corporate crimes

Do you know something that I should know?
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Bionic on 05 August 2011, 07:26:08
The biggest problem is that far too many are trying to run our lives for us, just as the euthanasia affair. What gives anyone the right to decide for me how, if in so much pain with no hope of recovery, I wish to end my life peacfully? The church..I do not believe their lies anyway and never have since primary school. The experts? What makes them the expert? What personal experience have they had of extreme pain or a debiltating disease or ilness with no hope of recovery or relief? NONE...so how can they be experts?
The death penalty should never have been removed. We can thank the Human Rights act for that. Congratulations Cherie Blair for your idiotic addition to the statutes.
With the certainty of the DNA evidence now used,  objectors need to read the scientific papers which have been published and are supported and agreed with by the responsible global scientific community, there should be no reason for the death penalty by lethal injection cannot to be utilised for crimes which are so inhuman that it offends the general public.
Once sentenced after trial the sentence should be carried out the same day and no exeptions made for gender, race, age or any other reason, mental health problems included. There should also be no groups or professions, i.e MP's, police, or whatever else that it is resticted to be the punishment for either. We are all equall!
That is the only way that this present level of crimes resulting in death, for whatever reason will ever be reduced. Until then there is no real deterent, a life in prison with its luxuries is obviously not one. Do gooders who raise objections should be the first on the table too......
Where is the poll? I will sign it a thousand times as will all of my friends.  ;)
No doubt there will be some who disagree with me but I care not, because perhaps if one of their family were to be a victim they would then think differently, by then of course it would be too late.  :'(
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Richie London on 05 August 2011, 07:58:14
this will make your blood boil. human rights every frigging time.

http://www.britishpatriotssociety.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=87%3Afree-me-says-illegal-locked-up-for-5-years-&catid=39%3Alatest-british-news&lang=en
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Martin_1962 on 05 August 2011, 08:23:36
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The following need killing

Killed while commiting a crime - eg armed robbers killing
100% proven murderers with NO reasons (ie not beaten wives ect)
Child sex perverts - the ones who actually do it and I mean real children as well


Heavy sentences for
People who just make everyones lives hell, persistant burglars ect

Personal crimes to be punished heavier than corporate crimes

Do you know something that I should know?


As opposed to teenagers or cartoon children (yes it is illegal)
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Richie London on 05 August 2011, 08:29:19
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The following need killing

Killed while commiting a crime - eg armed robbers killing
100% proven murderers with NO reasons (ie not beaten wives ect)
Child sex perverts - the ones who actually do it and I mean real children as well


Heavy sentences for
People who just make everyones lives hell, persistant burglars ect

Personal crimes to be punished heavier than corporate crimes

Do you know something that I should know?


As opposed to teenagers or cartoon children (yes it is illegal)


the way some of these teenagers dress is unbelievable i think. was all long skirts and navy blue knickers when i was a lad
Title: Re: e petitions forcing debate on death penalty
Post by: Shelby on 05 August 2011, 08:55:22
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The biggest problem is that far too many are trying to run our lives for us, just as the euthanasia affair. What gives anyone the right to decide for me how, if in so much pain with no hope of recovery, I wish to end my life peacfully? The church..I do not believe their lies anyway and never have since primary school. The experts? What makes them the expert? What personal experience have they had of extreme pain or a debiltating disease or ilness with no hope of recovery or relief? NONE...so how can they be experts?
The death penalty should never have been removed. We can thank the Human Rights act for that. Congratulations Cherie Blair for your idiotic addition to the statutes.
With the certainty of the DNA evidence now used,  objectors need to read the scientific papers which have been published and are supported and agreed with by the responsible global scientific community, there should be no reason for the death penalty by lethal injection cannot to be utilised for crimes which are so inhuman that it offends the general public.
Once sentenced after trial the sentence should be carried out the same day and no exeptions made for gender, race, age or any other reason, mental health problems included. There should also be no groups or professions, i.e MP's, police, or whatever else that it is resticted to be the punishment for either. We are all equall!
That is the only way that this present level of crimes resulting in death, for whatever reason will ever be reduced. Until then there is no real deterent, a life in prison with its luxuries is obviously not one. Do gooders who raise objections should be the first on the table too......
Where is the poll? I will sign it a thousand times as will all of my friends.  ;)
No doubt there will be some who disagree with me but I care not, because perhaps if one of their family were to be a victim they would then think differently, by then of course it would be too late.  :'(

I have to agree with you whole heartedly here and I know my wife does also.  Her stepdad (many years ago) worked in a prison (was a carpenter teaching prisoners carpentry skills etc).  He was murdered by an inmate (repeatedly stabbed with a screwdriver), the reason the inmate gave for it was 'he wanted to know what it felt like to commit the ultimate crime'! People like that need to be put down.