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Title: tottenham rioting
Post by: Richie London on 06 August 2011, 22:58:15
police cars on fire, petrol bombs,2 police have been set on fire apparently, riots and cars being burnt and shops being loooted, all because a black man shot at a copper and got shot dead.
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Richie London on 06 August 2011, 23:01:40
sky news now
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Richie London on 06 August 2011, 23:09:21
doesnt say nothing about 2 police on fire, obviously exagerated already
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Vamps on 06 August 2011, 23:11:52
 :-X :-X :-X

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14434318
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Jusme on 06 August 2011, 23:14:53
Watching on Sky News now, flames look real enough to me...  :(
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Martin_1962 on 06 August 2011, 23:24:46
Sounds like not enough shooting to me.

Good idea not to shoot at Policemen
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: aaronjb on 06 August 2011, 23:36:50
Aaaand England continues to go down the pan..

Then again, what with the financial implications of the US being downgraded, perhaps this is all just the beginning of the end and a decline to Mad Max style post apocalyptic wastelands..
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: millwall on 07 August 2011, 00:05:59
they should shoot all the tinkers that are rioting   so a black man is shot by plod  and despite the fact the w@nker shot at police this justifies a riot what a disgrace  time to emigrate me thinks >:(   
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: plym ian on 07 August 2011, 00:19:39
petrol bombs blimey ave they seen the price of petrol

even though sad really
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: millwall on 07 August 2011, 00:33:54

, I blame Seb Coe, thick bastewards  saw his cheesy mug on billboards saying BOC were looking for torch bearers, they decided to hold trials tonight

Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Rods2 on 07 August 2011, 00:48:17
Re: tottenham rioting
Reply #2 - Yesterday at 23:09    doesnt say nothing about 2 police on fire, obviously exagerated already

Sky new got this from a good source, a voice mail hack.  :o ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Nickbat on 07 August 2011, 00:51:45
I think it was two police cars on fire...

I just noticed this BBC ticker:

LONDON DISTURBANCE: Independent Police Complaints Commission 'understand distress in community'

Ah, bless 'em.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: cleggy on 07 August 2011, 06:38:17
Is it because I'm BLACK? :( :(
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: albitz on 07 August 2011, 07:45:55
Saw the aftermath on the news this morning - looks like it has improved Tottenham quite considerably. :D ;D ;D
We will now have all the bleeding hearts wittering on about social depravation blah,blah,..........
As I understand it - local gangster stopped in his car by police. He shoots police officer, but the bulllet hits his radio which saves his life.Police then shoot him and he dies.
One less piece of pondlife in the world.Cant see the downside tbh.
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Bionic on 07 August 2011, 08:45:51
No doubt that the 'involvement' of the younger ones will be put down to them being bored and have had a poor or broken family upbringing.
Time for the birch to brought back and the soft option stopped.
Police on the whole do a very good job and from what I saw and heard of the incident which is supposedly the cause of the riot the Police action was justified. If I carried a gun and someone pointed one at me I would do my damndest to get the first one in. The poor coppers have to give endless warnigs and then wait for a superior to give the command before they can shoot. Frikkin idiotic policy if ever there was one! There again...look at the potilticians who decide the policies....all from another planet and able to crawl into the woodwork when things go wrong. ;) Come back Dirty Harry... show them how its done ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Martian on 07 August 2011, 09:50:56
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Saw the aftermath on the news this morning - looks like it has improved Tottenham quite considerably. :D ;D ;D
We will now have all the bleeding hearts wittering on about social depravation blah,blah,..........
As I understand it - local gangster stopped in his car by police. He shoots police officer, but the bulllet hits his radio which saves his life.Police then shoot him and he dies.
One less piece of pondlife in the world.Cant see the downside tbh.
That pretty much sums it up  :y :y

No doubt there will be a sandal wearing, lentil munching, politically correct tosspot waiting in the wings to represent the family of the wannabe gangster who couldn't understand the concept of what happens if you live life by the sword....and no doubt it will be the taxpayer who foots the bill for the legal fees as well as the compo that these lowlifes will no doubt receive for their "loss"  >:(

Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Olympia5776 on 07 August 2011, 10:01:13
I was watching it unfold last night on Sky news and had to switch it off as my blood pressure was going through the roof.
I cannot understand how we have come to the situation where the Police are so unable to react to a riot situation where anarchy clearly reigned.
The Liberal do gooder lawyers who have slowly but steadily castrated the rule of true law and made it impossible for the Police to raise even a baton to prevent what happened should be ashamed .
The Riot Act is still enforceable and should have been used along with water cannon.
As I write this I'm listening to those bleeding heart local contributers blaming everything and everyone else for the reason the poor rioters did what they had to do......
Luv 'em ...........
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: tunnie on 07 August 2011, 10:04:24
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I was watching it unfold last night on Sky news and had to switch it off as my blood pressure was going through the roof.
I cannot understand how we have come to the situation where the Police are so unable to react to a riot situation where anarchy clearly rained.
The Liberal do gooder lawyers who have slowly but steadily castrated the rule of true law and made it impossible for the Police to raise even a baton to prevent what happened should be ashamed .
The Riot Act is still enforceable and should have been used along with water cannon.
As I write this I'm listening to those bleeding heart local contributers blaming everything and everyone else for the reason the poor rioters did what they had to do......
Luv 'em ...........

No doubt in the good old days, they could send in the horses, pull out some trouble makings and give them a good beating as a suggestion not to do it again.

Now with all the camera phones about, Police dare not doing anything as it will be all over the media  :(
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Richie London on 07 August 2011, 10:15:44
seems some of them got their xmas shopping done last night. wouldnt be surprised if this happens somewhere else now knowing that the police had to sit back and watch them to get on with it without steaming in with the batons and arresting the vermin.   >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: cleggy on 07 August 2011, 10:29:11
Radio 4 reported this morning that towards the end the rioter's resorted to throwing onions, and ........ COCONUTS !  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: humbucker on 07 August 2011, 10:31:01
whats worse than the aggrieved rioters themselves, and im not just talking about this incident, is the idiots who use the situation as a catalyst to simply go out and cause havoc, smash stuff up, on the back of the people who went out on peaceful protest (even if you disagree with their reasoning). it was the same with the recent riots in london when that moron charlie gilmour was caught destroying stuff while others wanted to go out and peacefully protest at the uni tuition fees.

its bad enough that it had to happen at all, but the idiots who use it as an excuse to go out and cause untold amounts of damage and destruction (who were undoubtedly absent from the original peaceful protest) should be ashamed of themselves. burning buildings down could result in catastrophic loss of life. shameful behaviour.

i'm not sure why the OP and others are citing the 'black' issue here; it was an investigation into gun crime that led to the shooting.
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: humbucker on 07 August 2011, 10:34:16
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Radio 4 reported this morning that towards the end the rioter's resorted to throwing onions, and ........ COCONUTS !  ;D ;D ;D ;D

imagines them back at rioter HQ; "boss, we're not creating as much of an identity for ourselves as we'd hoped, how should we differentiate ourselves from other rioters?"

noise at the back of the room; "umm... i've got an idea... umm... you know that coconut place round the corner...."

and so started the short but prolific career of north londons infamous 'coconut gang'

etc  ;D
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: belfast stephen on 07 August 2011, 10:37:34
they is no water cannons based on the mainland and the only place that can use it is northern ireland
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Gaffers on 07 August 2011, 10:48:36
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they is no water cannons based on the mainland and they anloy place that can use it is northern ireland

They are considered a less lethal weapon and thus need approving by parliment.

Police: dammed if they do (Student riots) dammed if they don't (Tottenham last night). I have no problem with low-lifes destroying their own neighbourhood, but I just hope that no one was trapped in those appartments which were ablaze.
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Richie London on 07 August 2011, 10:53:29
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they is no water cannons based on the mainland and they anloy place that can use it is northern ireland

They are considered a less lethal weapon and thus need approving by parliment.

Police: dammed if they do (Student riots) dammed if they don't (Tottenham last night). I have no problem with low-lifes destroying their own neighbourhood, but I just hope that no one was trapped in those appartments which were ablaze.


the problem is though mr g who foots the bill for it all again.
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: millwall on 07 August 2011, 11:00:32
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whats worse than the aggrieved rioters themselves, and im not just talking about this incident, is the idiots who use the situation as a catalyst to simply go out and cause havoc, smash stuff up, on the back of the people who went out on peaceful protest (even if you disagree with their reasoning). it was the same with the recent riots in london when that moron charlie gilmour was caught destroying stuff while others wanted to go out and peacefully protest at the uni tuition fees.

its bad enough that it had to happen at all, but the idiots who use it as an excuse to go out and cause untold amounts of damage and destruction (who were undoubtedly absent from the original peaceful protest) should be ashamed of themselves. burning buildings down could result in catastrophic loss of life. shameful behaviour.

i'm not sure why the OP and others are citing the 'black' issue here; it was an investigation into gun crime that led to the shooting.
maybe because its met polices trident unit that was  investigating  black gun crime either way its a bloody disgrace  if it was footy fans rioting the old bill would have got stuck in  they couldnt last night cause some rather idiot would of screamed racism >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Martin_1962 on 07 August 2011, 17:05:56
It was suicide by Police wasn't it?
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Martian on 07 August 2011, 17:24:09
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No doubt in the good old days, they could send in the horses, pull out some trouble makings and give them a good beating as a suggestion not to do it again.

Now with all the camera phones about, Police dare not doing anything as it will be all over the media  :(
As the state keeps telling us, if you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear.

If plod abides by the law when enforcing it, then they have no worries. However if they choose to break one law to enforce another, then that simply isn't acceptable as they are no better than the lawbreaker they are nicking at that point.
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: the alarming man on 07 August 2011, 17:35:14
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they is no water cannons based on the mainland and they anloy place that can use it is northern ireland

i am afraid there are water cannons based on the main land BUT because we signed up too this civil rights bill thing (thanks a bunch mrs blair she made a mint out of it!!) we cannot use them as they are a indiscrimnate weapon...now to be hit by a water cannon you have to be infront of it and it as to be aimed at the trouble BUT this stupid bill says it might get an inocent by stander...what rubbish...but i don't care if you are black,white, pink with polka dots IF YOU POINT A GUN AT ARMED PLOD YOU WILL BE SHOT AND KILLED..no questions should be asked of the plod that pulled the trigger either one less piece  of sh1t off the streets  :y
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Amigo on 07 August 2011, 19:49:42
If any unemployed scrounging half wit regardless of colour/creed wants wants to play shooters with our police then he should rightly be shot dead on the spot. no ifs or buts, break him, it was his choice.  Those who protest have misgiuded loyalties & have no right to loot peoples shops (livings), torch folks cars...unforgivable.

  They are cowards & hunt in packs as cowards do. They have no place in our society, i bet most of them don't work or contribute but scrounge then fight against the system that keeps them. Well break that. I've gotta get up @ 3;30hrs tomorrow to be in Hertford for 08;00 while these scum are lying in beds & houses that most of us pay for.

  That's ok, i'm used to that but next time they kick off anywhere in the UK, Toxteth, Bradrord...anywhere stuff the shields, fricking shoot them, not rubber bullets, live rounds, armed police & the forces who would be better deployed sorting such dregs out than fighting other folks battles abroad.

  This would save us a fortune & rid our country of said pondlife. >:(
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Nickbat on 07 August 2011, 20:14:35
The front window of Currys electrical store was smashed and the door of Argos was shattered after looters raided the stock room.

Every handset was stolen from a mobile phone store.

Teenagers and adults were said to have turned up in cars to Tottenham's retail park and filled their boots with stolen items, unimpeded by police.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438109

Why?  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Richie London on 07 August 2011, 20:18:50
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The front window of Currys electrical store was smashed and the door of Argos was shattered after looters raided the stock room.

Every handset was stolen from a mobile phone store.

Teenagers and adults were said to have turned up in cars to Tottenham's retail park and filled their boots with stolen items, unimpeded by police.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438109

Why?  >:( >:( >:( >:(


because crime does pay in britain!!
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: Kevin Wood on 08 August 2011, 09:54:00
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The front window of Currys electrical store was smashed and the door of Argos was shattered after looters raided the stock room.

Every handset was stolen from a mobile phone store.

Teenagers and adults were said to have turned up in cars to Tottenham's retail park and filled their boots with stolen items, unimpeded by police.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14438109

Why?  >:( >:( >:( >:(

Apparently because they were prioritising the safety of the fire service attending the burning buildings.

It comes to something when the Police have to surrender control of the streets... and, indeed, when the fact that getting caught is unlikely makes it OK to make off with whatever you fancy. :(
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: tunnie on 08 August 2011, 10:07:31
They where chucking everything they had at the Riots, not the looting. I guess they did not have the resources to send people to the retail park. They would have had to send quite a few officers to get that under control, so I guess riots with buildings on fire was the priority.

I kind of agree with that, insurance will pick up the tab for the looting in a retail park.

The real danger to the public where the fires, and violence on the high street.

Met is having its budget cut, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

If they had sent 4 plod cars over there, they would likey have been trashed too, "4 lone officers beaten by looters, in retail park" does not have a nice ring to it.

Personally I think they should have sent the Army in with plastic bullets......
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: albitz on 08 August 2011, 10:59:43
Raiding currys/argos/jd sports (or whatever its called). They were obviously chavs.Didnt occur to them to raid the apple store full of macs. ::) :D
Seriously though.It appears that the police took a softly softly approach at the beginning and then the situation ran away from them.Maybe because they got stick for being too hard on previous rioters ? Maybe because an extraordinary number of senior police officers have socioligy degrees, but little,if any experience pounding the beat ? who knows, but its inexcuseable imo for this type of thing to be allowed to happen in our capital city.Water cannon with indelible dye would have sorted it, and should be available if needed.
As for Ken Livingstone,Dianne Abott etc.(usual suspects) to come crawling out of the woodwork and start blaming " the cuts" - give me rather strength. >:(
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: aaronjb on 08 August 2011, 11:18:27
It's OK, the BBC say it's because the poor darlings are 'disaffected'..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14438924

Disaffected my ass, they're just common thugs and pondlife!

Albs, swap out the indelible dye with the stuff they use in Israel - smells like raw sewage and sticks around a while..  ;D Or just plain add it to the dye - maybe orange? Stinky umpa-lumpa rioters..
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: albitz on 08 August 2011, 11:22:51
British Brainwashing Conspiracy.What a bunch of morons they are.It needs shutting down. ;)
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: sticka_v8_init on 08 August 2011, 14:39:53
Don't quite understand looting whilst rioting. At what point do you stop standing up for what you believe in and decide life would be better with a free radio alarm clock?  :-/
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: albitz on 08 August 2011, 14:42:34
Life is always better weith a free pair of Reeboks and a 46" Samsung. ;) ;D
Title: Re: tottenham rioting
Post by: sticka_v8_init on 08 August 2011, 14:45:37
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Life is always better weith a free pair of Reeboks and a 46" Samsung. ;) ;D


Damm...forgot about the TV....good call sir  ;D ;D