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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Auto Addict on 07 August 2011, 07:26:40
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I have a Toshiba Satellite C660 laptop.
Crucial quote 2 different memory upgrades (both the same price).
DDR3 PC3-8500 or DDR3 PC3-10600.
Does it matter which one I buy, or is one better than the other?
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DDR3 PC3-10600 is faster :y
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DDR3 PC3-10600 is faster :y
:y
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Whatever you decide will be governed by what the mainboard you have's compatability of it. Some boards will accept far higher speeds than others so check the models' version of your mainboard and ensure you have the latest BIOS version installed for it.
Worst case scenario is that if you do buy from Crucial and it is the wrong one after following their advice they will usually exchange it for you.
In my experience, and I have been building PC's since DOS was the only operating system (very old git and geek) the faster speed will not necessarily increase your PC's performance because it is not only the memory which affects the PC's speed. CPU power and HDD access speeds also affect it as does the general basic setup of how the BIOS operates and controls it. Then there is the 32 or 64 Bit versions with 64Bit being the faster.
First thing you should do is to completely clean out all of the bits and pieces of programs etc that you no longer use and do a deep Disk Clean, Registry Clean and a Defragment of the HDD.
Hope that it does not put you off but better to try to improve the performance before spending money out that maybe you do not have to.
You can also PM me if you need more advice :y
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Whatever you decide will be governed by what the mainboard you have's compatability of it. Some boards will accept far higher speeds than others so check the models' version of your mainboard and ensure you have the latest BIOS version installed for it.
Worst case scenario is that if you do buy from Crucial and it is the wrong one after following their advice they will usually exchange it for you.
In my experience, and I have been building PC's since DOS was the only operating system (very old git and geek) the faster speed will not necessarily increase your PC's performance because it is not only the memory which affects the PC's speed. CPU power and HDD access speeds also affect it as does the general basic setup of how the BIOS operates and controls it. Then there is the 32 or 64 Bit versions with 64Bit being the faster.
First thing you should do is to completely clean out all of the bits and pieces of programs etc that you no longer use and do a deep Disk Clean, Registry Clean and a Defragment of the HDD.
Hope that it does not put you off but better to try to improve the performance before spending money out that maybe you do not have to.
You can also PM me if you need more advice :y
Thanks for the advice, the Toshiba only has 2Gb of memory running Win7 64bit, BIOS is the latest version.
It's a new machine (3 months old), registry, disk etc are fine.
It runs reasonably well, most of the time, except when I upload photos etc, more memory has got to be an improvement, and it's cheap enough.
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The PC3-10600 is faster, and if there isn't much difference in price then buy it.
Some BIOS's allow the system memory to run at a faster bus speed than the CPU (which does make a slight difference), but even if yours doesn't it won't matter as the faster RAM will simply be clocked down by the motherboard to match the existing bus speeds.
If your BIOS allows you to select between single or dual channel mode to run the memory, then go for the latter as it will give a noticeable boost in memory intensive apps (eg, Photoshop).
Having more than 2GB on Win 7 (even if it is 64 bit) is not going to make a blind bit of difference to uploading photo's though, so if there is a problem in that department for you then that lies elsewhere.
If you want to see a real speed boost within Windows (or any OS come to that), then swap the standard hard disk out for an SSD.
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Whatever you decide will be governed by what the mainboard you have's compatability of it. Some boards will accept far higher speeds than others so check the models' version of your mainboard and ensure you have the latest BIOS version installed for it.
Worst case scenario is that if you do buy from Crucial and it is the wrong one after following their advice they will usually exchange it for you.
In my experience, and I have been building PC's since DOS was the only operating system (very old git and geek) the faster speed will not necessarily increase your PC's performance because it is not only the memory which affects the PC's speed. CPU power and HDD access speeds also affect it as does the general basic setup of how the BIOS operates and controls it. Then there is the 32 or 64 Bit versions with 64Bit being the faster.
First thing you should do is to completely clean out all of the bits and pieces of programs etc that you no longer use and do a deep Disk Clean, Registry Clean and a Defragment of the HDD.
Hope that it does not put you off but better to try to improve the performance before spending money out that maybe you do not have to.
You can also PM me if you need more advice :y
Thanks for the advice, the Toshiba only has 2Gb of memory running Win7 64bit, BIOS is the latest version.
It's a new machine (3 months old), registry, disk etc are fine.
It runs reasonably well, most of the time, except when I upload photos etc, more memory has got to be an improvement, and it's cheap enough.
Nothing to do with hardware specs, thats your ISP's upload speed. Always going to struggle with that at home environment, its never going to be fast. Re-size photos to dramatically reduce file sizes, uploading shots taken straight from the camera can be around 3mb+ easy, re-size and your talking just a few hundred kb. :y
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I keep gettings warnings about high memory usage by IE.
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What does Task Manager say is using the memory?
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What does Task Manager say is using the memory?
IE about 84,000k
76% physical memory usage.
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its hard to tell which one is better from its speed rating/frequency etc.. as said above some mobos suuport detailed tuning on rams so you can arrange from bios.. some automatically arrange the speed etc.. best way is to bring the lappy to the shop.. load some bench mark software and test both rams with it.. however, in any case even a faster ram can create reliability problems.. so go for well known brands like Kingston , Corsair etc..
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Important - If you swap for an SSD remember that if you defrag it you will knacker it. :y
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Important - If you swap for an SSD remember that if you defrag it you will knacker it. :y
Not strictly true.
The reason you don't defrag an SSD is because it increases the number of read/write cycles, which in turn impacts on it's potential lifespan as they are limited to a finite amount of read/writes.
Having said that, an SSD isn't bothered how fragmented it is because the access times are sub 1ms thanks to direct access.
Flash memory is also advancing at a fair rate in the reliability stakes, the MTBF on my current SSD (Corsair C300 - 256GB) equates to 137 years of real life use and I'll be long gone before that time comes up.
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What does Task Manager say is using the memory?
IE about 84,000k
76% physical memory usage.
No real cause for concern there, I'm using 91,000K right now as I type this.
Aside from uploading pics, are there any other speed issues when uploading that seem to show you aren't getting the upload speed offered by your ISP?
Also, who is your ISP, are you Cable or ADSL, and what package are you meant to have?
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What does Task Manager say is using the memory?
IE about 84,000k
76% physical memory usage.
No real cause for concern there, I'm using 91,000K right now as I type this.
Aside from uploading pics, are there any other speed issues when uploading that seem to show you aren't getting the upload speed offered by your ISP?
Also, who is your ISP, are you Cable or ADSL, and what package are you meant to have?
With this forum open I'm using 145,000k.
No ISP problems.
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What does Task Manager say is using the memory?
IE about 84,000k
76% physical memory usage.
No real cause for concern there, I'm using 91,000K right now as I type this.
Aside from uploading pics, are there any other speed issues when uploading that seem to show you aren't getting the upload speed offered by your ISP?
Also, who is your ISP, are you Cable or ADSL, and what package are you meant to have?
With this forum open I'm using 145,000k.
No ISP problems.
That doesnt really mean much, if that's what IE is using....you need to look at the performance tab...
look at total physical memory (in my case its 1039660 (1GB) ) and also look at available (my case its 317208 (317MB) )
So i've roughly got a 1/3 of total memory available
Ive got Chrome open with 5 tabs on the go, Outlook open with a mail message open as well and 2 other windows open as well......plus then you've got all your other open apps such as antivirus etc/etc all using memory.
The time to worry is when the available memory starts getting close to 0.....this when doze will start swapping between memory and the pagefile (read harddisk) .You will see lots of hard disk activity when it does this....this operation will slow down your lappy :y
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Just noticed in another post, you said physical memory being used is 76%.......so if you've got 2GB at the mo......you've 500MB left.....You want to see what that figure is when you upload photo's......if its not much change....i wouldnt have thought you don't have enough memory imo......altho i seem to recall 64bit of doze7 min requirement is 2GB :-/
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Well, I've upgraded it to the max, 8Gb.
Tremendous improvement :y
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good result...
cant imagine you will need 8gb....but 2gb is a bit small for 64 bit win7 :y
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good result...
cant imagine you will need 8gb....but 2gb is a bit small for 64 bit win7 :y
I know, but as it was cheap enough, thought I'd go the whole way ;D
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I can certainly see the logic in that.
Its done now, and you wont need to worry about memory again on that pc :y
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One of my Laptops is running Windows7 32Bit Ultimate SP1. It has a massive Intel Celeron 1.4GHz processor and a mind-blowing 512MB RAM, of which the OnBoard Intel Graphics Card uses a whopping 32MB.
I use it purely for Internet use, and it is blisteringly fast, just as quick as any other machine I have.
I use FireFox 5.0.1 with AdBlock Plus Add-On.
For those who are interested, the Windows Performance score for this particular laptop is an astounding 1.0.
The point I'm trying to make is that you dont need great Hardware for simple things like Internet Browsing, Social Networking, Photo Sharing etc.
Computer 'Experts' think I'm mad for running Win7 Ultimate on this laptop, but it's just as quick as Win XP and as long as I keep it clean of crap, it will stay just as fast.
I understand not everyone has the luxury of having separate machines for different tasks, Photo/Video editing is something I enjoy, which I wouldn't even attempt on this computer....... I dont even think I have enough Hard Disk Space for Photoshop! ;D
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One of my Laptops is running Windows7 32Bit Ultimate SP1. It has a massive Intel Celeron 1.4GHz processor and a mind-blowing 512MB RAM, of which the OnBoard Intel Graphics Card uses a whopping 32MB.
I use it purely for Internet use, and it is blisteringly fast, just as quick as any other machine I have.
I use FireFox 5.0.1 with AdBlock Plus Add-On.
For those who are interested, the Windows Performance score for this particular laptop is an astounding 1.0.
The point I'm trying to make is that you dont need great Hardware for simple things like Internet Browsing, Social Networking, Photo Sharing etc.
Computer 'Experts' think I'm mad for running Win7 Ultimate on this laptop, but it's just as quick as Win XP and as long as I keep it clean of crap, it will stay just as fast.
I understand not everyone has the luxury of having separate machines for different tasks, Photo/Video editing is something I enjoy, which I wouldn't even attempt on this computer....... I dont even think I have enough Hard Disk Space for Photoshop! ;D
Mines 4.6
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Important - If you swap for an SSD remember that if you defrag it you will knacker it. :y
Not strictly true.
The reason you don't defrag an SSD is because it increases the number of read/write cycles, which in turn impacts on it's potential lifespan as they are limited to a finite amount of read/writes.
Having said that, an SSD isn't bothered how fragmented it is because the access times are sub 1ms thanks to direct access.
Flash memory is also advancing at a fair rate in the reliability stakes, the MTBF on my current SSD (Corsair C300 - 256GB) equates to 137 years of real life use and I'll be long gone before that time comes up.
A meaningless figure on Flash memory which in real use will never be achieved.
The reliability in flash is not down to the flash chips at all, its due to the fancy algorithims in the controllers chips which initiate the error correction and wear leveling.....its these that have improved (with Silicon Systems being the original trail blazer - now taken over by western digital)