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Title: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 10 August 2011, 20:21:15
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

Title says it all really.

Needless to say the site is a tad busy @ the moment ........
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Nickbat on 10 August 2011, 20:25:05
Last seen at 78,000 names and climbing fast. Should easily make the 100k.

I also notice this:

Rioters in Manchester and Salford have been told that they face being evicted from their council homes if they are identified on CCTV footage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14478498

 :y :y :y
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Amigo on 10 August 2011, 20:30:54
This is great. Stop benefits, evict council tenants. These folk are incapable of looking after themselves & going to work. We have to provide them with homes & a free income because they are too plain stupid to do it themselves.

  Here come the human rights act to piss on that parade! ::)
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Broomies Mate on 10 August 2011, 20:49:59
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This is great. Stop benefits, evict council tenants. These folk are incapable of looking after themselves & going to work. We have to provide them with homes & a free income because they are too plain stupid to do it themselves.

  Here come the human rights act to piss on that parade! ::)

Word for Word what I was going to write.

I however foresee new additions to the 'Riot Act' laws..... hopefully which will include things such as;

Mandatory Prison Sentence (term dependant on seriousness of involvement), followed by mandatory 6 Months Curfew order, only allowed out during Daylight Hours.  Whilst the convict is serving their Curfew period, they MUST carry out 8 Hours per day of Community Service UNLESS they have FULL-TIME PERMANENT employment.

It'll never happen though.

Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: jerry on 10 August 2011, 21:29:24
been talking about this very thing today. Sadly it'll never happen for the reasons Amigo has said. The whole thing is just symptomatic of England today. Next thing itll be people in these communities talking of" taking back their streets". There have already been plenty of interviews where asian business owners have said they will bring friends and family in to protect their interests and I spoke to a Chinese lady today who said the Chinese community in London was offering to protect their own too (as well as making sure that they knew exactly where their kids were!). Doubtless we would feel/act the same in their position. Doubtless too that any form of such "vigilantyism" will be jumped on like a ton of bricks despite this governments recent comments regarding the legal rights of people to protect their properties re burglary. So much for victims rights. Andrew Marr probably quite correctly points out that one of the most enduring traits of the "British" was their reticence and patience that saw the populace accept social injustices that in other nations would have seen rioting, pushing for change mostly through lawful channels and grin and bearing hardships with either black humour or sang froid , generally tolerant of others and slow to resort to violence. Is the tide changing? Are we coming to the end of our tether now, fed up of what is becoming of our society and what WE are allowing our governments to do either with their insane "political correctness" or else support for the blatant greed of the few? The resounding answer must surely be "YES!!". So, what are we gonna do about it, all us whinging old gits, the Victor Meldrews of Britain, defenders of common sense and fairness, of equality and freedom? .........Yep, were gonna do bugger all. But wait. Wait and moan and find the black humour in it all and marvel at the madness of the world and pray it gets better. Because we're British and thats the British way. (Oh yeh, and a cuppa tea and a fag while were doing it...just dont let us catch any little scrotes  messing with our property! :y)
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: johnnycboy on 10 August 2011, 21:32:03
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Last seen at 78,000 names and climbing fast. Should easily make the 100k.

I also notice this:

Rioters in Manchester and Salford have been told that they face being evicted from their council homes if they are identified on CCTV footage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14478498

 :y :y :y

And where will these breakwits go :question  Thats not punishment thats just moving the problem elsewhere :exclamation

Where ever they end up, we as law abiding citizens and taxpayers will still be footing the bill. >:(
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: aaronjb on 11 August 2011, 13:48:23
I have an idea of where they can go..

Any looter who was on benefits can go over to Somalia (or some other poverty and famine stricken part of the world), and we'll bring some of them over here and give them the benefits & council houses the looters were previously enjoying.

The looters can have a taste of real poverty, and the Somalians will think they've died and gone to heaven.

*mutters*

I had to mute the TV last night when the BBC were interviewing some (well fed, overweight) woman wearing (relatively new looking chavvy) clothes with her offspring bleating on about how the riots were a result of the social deprivation they're suffering.. otherwise the vein currently throbbing on the side of my head was in danger of exploding. Like it is now.

Gah. So. Angry.
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: albitz on 11 August 2011, 14:23:10
The site seems to have crashed.Either inundated or the Govt. have knobbled it before the signatures start running into millions. :-/
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Shelby on 11 August 2011, 14:29:36
Just got on it myself and its currently up to 97,189 signatures but doesn't appear to be accepting any new ones.
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Kevin Wood on 11 August 2011, 14:36:48
I don't know about losing benefits. I think castration would be the most effective punishment.
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Shelby on 11 August 2011, 15:01:21
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I don't know about losing benefits. I think castration would be the most effective punishment.

That sounds like a good idea, preferably with a pair of blunt, rusty spoons!
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: bob.dent on 11 August 2011, 15:11:23
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Last seen at 78,000 names and climbing fast. Should easily make the 100k.

I also notice this:

Rioters in Manchester and Salford have been told that they face being evicted from their council homes if they are identified on CCTV footage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14478498

 :y :y :y

And where will these breakwits go :question  Thats not punishment thats just moving the problem elsewhere :exclamation
Where ever they end up, we as law abiding citizens and taxpayers will still be footing the bill. >:(

Unfortunately, very true. As a "civilized" society we would still be obliged to house and support these morons. >:( However, rather than pay their benefits in money (that they would normally squander on booze, drugs, fags etc.) give them coupons specifically for essentials such as food and clothing and make them do community work for their housing.
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: dad1uk on 11 August 2011, 22:31:08
Almost 105,000 signatures now. I think this means thay have to debate it now in the House Of Commons.
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Terbs on 11 August 2011, 23:13:57
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Almost 105,000 signatures now. I think this means thay have to debate it now in the House Of Commons.


Although I am with you all the way....however, debating will just get the normal result...no action taken !!! Because do-gooders will take over the debate >:(
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: geoffr70 on 11 August 2011, 23:20:11
They should be culled, it's best all round really
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Bionic on 12 August 2011, 05:51:37
Great! The poll site has told me that it is not accepting any more signatures....Does that mean that finally the great honest law abiding taxpaying general public have had their point noted?
More to the point....will it be acted on ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I must be going daft in my old age if I thought that it would make any difference to the 'rights' of the convicted brainless assholes the courts and do- gooders love to give free expensive holidays to (and spending money). :D :-[
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: albitz on 12 August 2011, 07:42:50
The fact that the site wont take any more signatures shows that it is purely a gimmick.What would happen if the majority of the people in the country put their names to one of these petitions ?
We might start getting the idea that this is a democracy. :o
As for stopping their benefits - its never going to happen. The yumin rites act would stop that in its tracks before it got very far. ;)
About time we had a human responsibilities act imo. >:(
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Shelby on 12 August 2011, 08:45:08
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Great! The poll site has told me that it is not accepting any more signatures....Does that mean that finally the great honest law abiding taxpaying general public have had their point noted?
More to the point....will it be acted on ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I must be going daft in my old age if I thought that it would make any difference to the 'rights' of the convicted brainless assholes the courts and do- gooders love to give free expensive holidays to (and spending money). :D :-[

Ive just added my mark to it, process went through OK.  I am under no illusion that this process is little more than a gimmick to try and make the population feel like they have a say, but its worth a shot for the minute or so it takes.

Its currently sitting at 120,788 signatures.
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Tony H on 13 August 2011, 16:42:35
Now 185,099!!!
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: hercules on 13 August 2011, 17:12:09
take away there benefits and then what,bigger looting ...more mugging....more burglary.i dont think theres a solution personally because public thrashing is abolished,thief tattoos on foreheads which is no good cos from what i gather these days it would just blend in with their skin tone and i do think the death penalty should be reintroduced
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 13 August 2011, 19:59:01
Armed force for the lot of them, Bad Lads Army Style.
Title: Re: e-Petition - convicted rioters to lose benefits
Post by: Amigo on 13 August 2011, 23:05:37
As some one said in one of the first riot posts put them in labour camps...for years not months & make them build prisons as in Aus & the US.

  This would keep them out of our way while they earn their keep & pay for thier wrongdoings.

  No telly, internet, phones just basic food, clothing & medical care.

  Work them that hard all day all they'll want to do is wash, eat & sleep.

  7 days a week & no allowances for religion. You can pray/read but in your own time. No good crying about it, you wanted to play hardball so here it is.

  Shut up & get on with it.

  Before any bleeding hearts kick off, look at your/our towns & picture what would happen to these miscreants in other countries.

  Think i'm being firm but fair.