Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 14 August 2011, 14:22:00
-
As the nations of the EU face critical issues of sovereign debt, the facless ones in Brussels are now busy concerning themselves with wicked.....
...vacuum cleaners. :o :o
Yes, folks, the naughty people (IS THAT OK? ::)) in Brussels want cleaners' power inputs to be cut by the year 2014 to 500 Watts (0.5kW) for upright cleaners and 750 Watts for canister cleaners and upright cleaners with integral hose and tools.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/7996383/Europe-to-cut-power-of-vacuum-cleaners-to-save-energy.html
Is there anyone who still believes that the EU is anything but a petty-minded, undemocratic bureaucacy? ::) ::) ::)
-
FFS why dont they just go the whole hog and make eubanks or a dust pan and brush compulsory >:( >:( >:(
-
Well I am not a fan of the Brussels gnomes and I may get flamed for saying this - I think it is a good idea. If there had never been pressure on car companies to produce more efficient economical cars we would still be driving around in straight 12 cyl cars of say 5 litre capacity. The same with vacuum cleaners. You could make them more efficient by having more powerful motors - think what a 10 KW vac could do on full power!
Unlimited power consumption of appliances means more power stations. I still don't see any new nuclear stations in Britain. Yes there are some planned by our friends (?) the Frenchies. So just where will the extra power come from for the ever increasing population of Europe and its never ending demand for electric?
There are a lot of good things that have come out of Brussels. Control of pesticides in our food being just one.
-
Well I am not a fan of the Brussels gnomes and I may get flamed for saying this - I think it is a good idea. If there had never been pressure on car companies to produce more efficient economical cars we would still be driving around in straight 12 cyl cars of say 5 litre capacity. The same with vacuum cleaners. You could make them more efficient by having more powerful motors - think what a 10 KW vac could do on full power!
Unlimited power consumption of appliances means more power stations. I still don't see any new nuclear stations in Britain. Yes there are some planned by our friends (?) the Frenchies. So just where will the extra power come from for the ever increasing population of Europe and its never ending demand for electric?
There are a lot of good things that have come out of Brussels. Control of pesticides in our food being just one.
The point is that nowhere is there a manifesto pledge to reduce the power of vacuum cleaners. ;)
Neither you, nor I , nor any of Europe's citizens, have any way of preventing a restriction like this. Yes, I am sure that more efficient vacuum cleaners can be made, but that is not the issue. Today, it's vacuum cleaners, tomorrow there could be a ban on motorcycles of more than 500cc, cars of more than 1.5 litres, TV screens of more than 50cm, computer PSUs of more than 200w.
If a UK political party issued these plans in a manifesto and if parliament was able to debate the issues, then one could claim a degree of democracy. But there is none.
IMHO, an unelected bureaucracy has no right to interfere in what we can buy or use. >:( >:(
-
Restricting the power of a device that's used for an hour once a
week month is going to make a massive difference to your average consumption, after all ::). Who dreams up these insane policies in the first place? :o
-
The whole thing sucks! >:(
......and stinks! ::)
-
Restricting the power of a device that's used for an hour once a week month is going to make a massive difference to your average consumption, after all ::). Who dreams up these insane policies in the first place? :o
Gnomes from Brussels. ;D ;D See Nicks first post.
An hour a month? Got no carpets in your house?
-
"I hate housework! You make the beds, you do the dishes -- and six months later you have to start all over again."
Joan Rivers
:-X
-
About 1/2 hour a week so what does it matter?
-
Yes, folks, the tw*ts in Brussels want cleaners' power
That clearly breaks the forum guidelines, please refrain from breaking the rules >:(
-
Yes, folks, the tw*ts in Brussels want cleaners' power
That clearly breaks the forum guidelines, please refrain from breaking the rules >:(
Could of meant twits? :-/ ::)
Back to the subject in point it would take three times as long to clean a carpet to the same degree with a 500W machine as opposed to a 1500 W vaccy so no effective saving
-
There will be that many people unemployed soon as the money men declare every EU country bankrupt and impose strict austerity measures that there will be plenty of folk available to take up your carpets once a month and hang them over the line and give them (carpets not the Brussells gnomes) a good beating with a stick. ;D ;D
-
Yes, folks, the tw*ts in Brussels want cleaners' power
That clearly breaks the forum guidelines, please refrain from breaking the rules >:(
What's wrong with "tw*ts"? How have I broken forum guidelines???
:-? :-?
-
Yes, folks, the tw*ts in Brussels want cleaners' power
That clearly breaks the forum guidelines, please refrain from breaking the rules >:(
What's wrong with "tw*ts"? How have I broken forum guidelines???
:-? :-?
neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise)
-
Yes, folks, the tw*ts in Brussels want cleaners' power
That clearly breaks the forum guidelines, please refrain from breaking the rules >:(
What's wrong with "tw*ts"? How have I broken forum guidelines???
:-? :-?
neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise)
"Cant be arsed to charge anymore, I jump the tinker now"
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1313167926/30
Sound familiar, Jaime? >:( >:(
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
-
Yes, folks, the tw*ts in Brussels want cleaners' power
That clearly breaks the forum guidelines, please refrain from breaking the rules >:(
What's wrong with "tw*ts"? How have I broken forum guidelines???
:-? :-?
neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise)
"Cant be arsed to charge anymore, I jump the tinker now"
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1313167926/30
Sound familiar, Jaime? >:( >:(
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Blimey man, take a chill pill.
None of those words are in the word censor. The one you used, but masked, is ;)
Whilst we could never ban swearing, there has to be a line somewhere, as we cannot have a free-for-all.
The fact you had to mask the word surely must have given you a clue :-/
-
F O Brussels :y
-
Yes, folks, the tw*ts in Brussels want cleaners' power
That clearly breaks the forum guidelines, please refrain from breaking the rules >:(
What's wrong with "tw*ts"? How have I broken forum guidelines???
:-? :-?
neither will the use of certain words (masked or otherwise)
"Cant be arsed to charge anymore, I jump the tinker now"
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1313167926/30
Sound familiar, Jaime? >:( >:(
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Blimey man, take a chill pill.
None of those words are in the word censor. The one you used, but masked, is ;)
Whilst we could never ban swearing, there has to be a line somewhere, as we cannot have a free-for-all.
The fact you had to mask the word surely must have given you a clue :-/
Well, for what its worth, I find 'arsed' and 'tinker' more offensive than 'tw*ts', but then I didn't write the rules. :-X :-X :-X
-
Well, for what its worth, I find 'arsed' and 'tinker' more offensive than 'tw*ts', but then I didn't write the rules. :-X :-X :-X
If that is generally considered to be the case, we can add those words to the censor if thats deemed apt :y
The initial censor list was made by glancing over censor lists and trying to find a line to fall on - to me, personally, female genetalia falls the other side of that line. But we're all different, with different views and opinions on things, which we try to accomodate :)
-
Although sometimes used as a reference to the female genitalia, the word idiot is more often used in various other ways:
1. As a derogatory insult, a pejorative meaning a fool, synonymous with the word twit - 'You are a real idiot and a half' (often used in the UK)[3]
2. To hit something (or someone) hard or violently - 'Let's get out there and idiot it!'[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/idiot
-
Although sometimes used as a reference to the female genitalia, the word thingy is more often used in various other ways:
1. As a derogatory insult, a pejorative meaning a fool, synonymous with the word twit - 'You are a real thingy and a half' (often used in the UK)[3]
2. To hit something (or someone) hard or violently - 'Let's get out there and thingy it!'[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/thingy
So are you suggesting we should allow the C word meaning similar? I certainly don't think we should, even though it can mean:
1. As a derogatory insult, a pejorative meaning a fool
2. Break something or get screwed over
-
Thats better. Far more interesting than the original topic. :y
-
Although sometimes used as a reference to the female genitalia, the word thingy is more often used in various other ways:
1. As a derogatory insult, a pejorative meaning a fool, synonymous with the word twit - 'You are a real thingy and a half' (often used in the UK)[3]
2. To hit something (or someone) hard or violently - 'Let's get out there and thingy it!'[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/thingy
So are you suggesting we should allow the C word meaning similar? I certainly don't think we should, even though it can mean:
1. As a derogatory insult, a pejorative meaning a fool
2. Break something or get screwed over
Not at all. That word is considered by many to be the most offensive word in the English language. I think most people regard tw*t - which is not allowed - as mild a form of put-down as "arse" - which is allowed.
-
And here am I thinking it is a pregnant fish ;D
-
Another example of Brussels forcing its crazy ideas on us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025906/Now-losing-60-watt-light-bulbs-outlawed-European-Union.html
-
hang them over the line and give them (carpets not the Brussells gnomes) a good beating with a stick There might be few faceless MEP's and buroberks who would pay good money to have this done to them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-
Another example of Brussels forcing its crazy ideas on us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025906/Now-losing-60-watt-light-bulbs-outlawed-European-Union.html
Why am I not surprised? >:( >:( >:( >:(
BTW, Martin Durkin has new blog:
http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/secret-global-warming-posh-anti-capitalism
;) ;) :y
-
The whole thing sucks! >:(
;D
-
From an engineering perspective, I struggle to see that this will actualy do anything at all.
Motors are already VERY efficient pieces of electrical equipment. The market push to larger motors and consequently higher power consumption has been down to getting more suck and machines which are wider so cover a larger area quicker.
If you were to impose a max consumed power figure then given that the consumer expects a certain level of cleaning (i.e. suck) that would require a smaller area of suction which means it would take longer of vaccum a set area resulting in pretty much the same level of power consumption and it would take longer for us to all vaccum our houses!
-
From an engineering perspective, I struggle to see that this will actualy do anything at all.
Motors are already VERY efficient pieces of electrical equipment. The market push to larger motors and consequently higher power consumption has been down to getting more suck and machines which are wider so cover a larger area quicker.
If you were to impose a max consumed power figure then given that the consumer expects a certain level of cleaning (i.e. suck) that would require a smaller area of suction which means it would take longer of vaccum a set area resulting in pretty much the same level of power consumption and it would take longer for us to all vaccum our houses!
Also from engineering background (BMS). If they used EC motors then efficiency is up and the typical payback cost of purchase (through efficiency) is less than a year. How can you make a ruling without knowing the facts :-/
-
From an engineering perspective, I struggle to see that this will actualy do anything at all.
Motors are already VERY efficient pieces of electrical equipment. The market push to larger motors and consequently higher power consumption has been down to getting more suck and machines which are wider so cover a larger area quicker.
If you were to impose a max consumed power figure then given that the consumer expects a certain level of cleaning (i.e. suck) that would require a smaller area of suction which means it would take longer of vaccum a set area resulting in pretty much the same level of power consumption and it would take longer for us to all vaccum our houses!
Indeed. I'd like to see how they back up their claim that "the energy efficiency of vacuum cleaners has dropped over the years".
This is clearly policy based on someone (with no engineering background) wandering round Comet reading all the labels bragging about huge motors and deciding they are going to change the world. It's truly frightening that such obviously flawed policy even goes public without review by someone who actually has some knowledge in the subject matter. Makes me wonder what policy they'll pull out of their @rse next. ;D
Meanwhile, my Sky set top box (and everybody else's - how many have they sold, I wonder?) consumes 20W, whether it's on standby or not, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Let's compress that in to an hour a week of cleaning (optimistic in our household :-X), and we find it's equivalent to a 3.3 kW vacuum cleaner. ;D
-
I was amazed by how much electricity is imported from both france and the nederlands during peak periods, nearly a third of the UK's energy :o
-
If enough people complain to their MEP, I bet they will brush it under the carpet. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-
....And if nobody complains to their MEP, there will be a clean sweep when it comes to voting on it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-
I was amazed by how much electricity is imported from both france and the nederlands during peak periods, nearly a third of the UK's energy :o
Lol, is it buggery, the links dont have the capacity to deliver that much.
Many moons ago I did some work on the cross channel DC-DC link which runs under the channel from Sellindge in Kent to Les Mandarins near Calais.
There are two other links which are:
UK-Netherlands - 1.3 GW
UK-Northern Ireland - 500MW
Now the Northern Ireland one is almost always exporting power so cna be seen as a load on the UK system
So if you then look at the remaining max import of 2.8GW.
The Uk demand today (whcih will be lowish due to the weather) was 38GW so we are talking about 7% import.
In reality today, the power delivered by the two DC links was about 1.4GW so far from max and Ireland were supplying (rare) 250MW.
-
For demand info, have a look here:
http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Electricity/Data/Realtime/Demand/demand24.htm
-
If you look at the spreadsheets you will note that demand in winter periods is upto close on 60GW.
The pumping column is energy consumed re-filling the top ponds on the pump storage stations including those at Dinowig and Ffestiniog
-
An even better page here, Mark. Scroll halfway down to the generation by fuel type table and it shows the amount taken from the interconnectors: :y
http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm
-
Isnt wind generation a joke, 3.4GW of capacity and we might be lucky to get 500MW today.......about the same as a single big generator at a coal/nuclear station (of which most have 4-6!)
-
Isnt wind generation a joke, 3.4GW of capacity and we might be lucky to get 500MW today.......about the same as a single big generator at a coal/nuclear station (of which most have 4-6!)
If only they fitted one in Jimbob's smalls... ...renewables sorted ;D
-
Isnt wind generation a joke, 3.4GW of capacity and we might be lucky to get 500MW today.......about the same as a single big generator at a coal/nuclear station (of which most have 4-6!)
If only they fitted one in Jimbob's smalls... ...renewables sorted ;D
It would need to be coated in some pretty special paint though! ;D
-
If you look at the spreadsheets you will note that demand in winter periods is upto close on 60GW.
The pumping column is energy consumed re-filling the top ponds on the pump storage stations including those at Dinowig and Ffestiniog
Lord knows how a protracted high-pressure winter cold-snap would be tackled with planned reliance on renewables (esp. wind-gen.) :-/
-
If you look at the spreadsheets you will note that demand in winter periods is upto close on 60GW.
The pumping column is energy consumed re-filling the top ponds on the pump storage stations including those at Dinowig and Ffestiniog
Lord knows how a protracted high-pressure winter cold-snap would be tackled with planned reliance on renewables (esp. wind-gen.) :-/
Totally unfeasible, it would seem:
http://thegwpf.org/uk-news/3621-uk-windpower-targets-are-unfeasible.html
And note this gem: "Earlier this year, six wind farms were paid £900,000 to stop generating for one night, because the system became overloaded."
::) ::) ::)
-
For those who wish to form their own opinion based on source material, here http:// http://ec.europa.eu/energy/efficiency/studies/doc/ecodesign/eup_lot17_final_report_issue_1.pdfis a link to the working group's report (dated 2009). Some indication of those who worked on the project can be found in the list of attenders at the stakeholder meeting at A13.
There are lots of tech graphs in s6.
There's also a working paper from 2010 http://ec.europa.eu/energy/efficiency/...06.../text_for_cf_25_june_vcs_v0.doc
K
-
Lol, as somebody how project manages EC funded projects, I am pretty used to documents like that which are full of inferences.
Sadly, a scientist desires the eutopia that is perfection where as an engineer compromises on reality.......I note that paper is written by a scientist (whos main currency is papers and cash from the EC....)
-
I was amazed by how much electricity is imported from both france and the nederlands during peak periods, nearly a third of the UK's energy :o
Lol, is it buggery, the links dont have the capacity to deliver that much.
Many moons ago I did some work on the cross channel DC-DC link which runs under the channel from Sellindge in Kent to Les Mandarins near Calais.
There are two other links which are:
UK-Netherlands - 1.3 GW
UK-Northern Ireland - 500MW
Now the Northern Ireland one is almost always exporting power so cna be seen as a load on the UK system
So if you then look at the remaining max import of 2.8GW.
The Uk demand today (whcih will be lowish due to the weather) was 38GW so we are talking about 7% import.
In reality today, the power delivered by the two DC links was about 1.4GW so far from max and Ireland were supplying (rare) 250MW.
Northern Ireland is part of the U.K. ::)
-
Steve Ogilvie describes himself as a Business Consultant. Is this better or worse than a scientist? Answers on a postcard please, to Andre Brisaer, c/o European Commission ...
-
I was amazed by how much electricity is imported from both france and the nederlands during peak periods, nearly a third of the UK's energy :o
Lol, is it buggery, the links dont have the capacity to deliver that much.
Many moons ago I did some work on the cross channel DC-DC link which runs under the channel from Sellindge in Kent to Les Mandarins near Calais.
There are two other links which are:
UK-Netherlands - 1.3 GW
UK-Northern Ireland - 500MW
Now the Northern Ireland one is almost always exporting power so cna be seen as a load on the UK system
So if you then look at the remaining max import of 2.8GW.
The Uk demand today (whcih will be lowish due to the weather) was 38GW so we are talking about 7% import.
In reality today, the power delivered by the two DC links was about 1.4GW so far from max and Ireland were supplying (rare) 250MW.
Northern Ireland is part of the U.K. ::)
Not as far as power generation grids go its not. :y
-
As the nations of the EU face critical issues of sovereign debt, the facless ones in Brussels are now busy concerning themselves with wicked.....
...vacuum cleaners. :o :o
Yes, folks, the naughty people (IS THAT OK? ::)) in Brussels want cleaners' power inputs to be cut by the year 2014 to 500 Watts (0.5kW) for upright cleaners and 750 Watts for canister cleaners and upright cleaners with integral hose and tools.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/7996383/Europe-to-cut-power-of-vacuum-cleaners-to-save-energy.html
Is there anyone who still believes that the EU is anything but a petty-minded, undemocratic bureaucacy? ::) ::) ::)
Well it is reassuring that they are finally looking into the reall issues that effect the public on a day to day basis! Good job Brussels!!
-
Then the grids are Great Britian rather than UK - or someone in the industry who gets to make decisions regarding naming things is very retarded.
-
Quite possibly.
You could only make Northern Ireland part of the 'grid' by having multiple interconnects to control power flow.
-
Isnt wind generation a joke, 3.4GW of capacity and we might be lucky to get 500MW today.......about the same as a single big generator at a coal/nuclear station (of which most have 4-6!)
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/08/price-of-wind.html
Grrrrrrr!! >:( >:( ;)
-
Isnt wind generation a joke, 3.4GW of capacity and we might be lucky to get 500MW today.......about the same as a single big generator at a coal/nuclear station (of which most have 4-6!)
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/08/price-of-wind.html
Grrrrrrr!! >:( >:( ;)
Still, on the bright side, unlike the wind farms in the highlands, Cornwall, etc. at least these won't be a blot on the landscape. In fact, could anything actually make Barrow-in-Furness any worse? ;)