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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Darth Loo-knee on 07 September 2011, 13:16:41
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Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out
If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too :y
http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883
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Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out
If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too :y
http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883
And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.
And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. >:( >:(
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Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out
If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too :y
http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883
And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.
And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. >:( >:(
You do Nick ;D this is my first time ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well at least we can try :y
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I read through some of them, like having ABS a requirement on all new bikes and wearing hi-vis jackets compulsory, for most of them I don't have a problem & don't see what the big deal is all about!
No point worrying about all this EU crap, I just get on with my life, ride my bikes, go on holidays, I could not care less about what EU want/does, should I really give a flying monkey they plan to limit Hoovers to 12v or what ever?
Bigger things in life to get worked up over! Like what beer to drink tonight ;)
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How i see it is they want to make you take your bike to be serviced at a dealer..... Also you wont be able to do things to your bike to make it go better etc etc....
What next though Tunnie? Cars?
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What next though Tunnie? Cars?
Precisely. I take the same stance on Motorbikes as Jeremy Clarkson. [smiley=evil.gif] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRRNVdboes0
That said, bikers are fellow petrol heads like 4x4 enthusiasts, kit car builders, Omega Owners, etc. Talk of sealing engines against modification and killing off all aftermarket tuning is, if true, pure lunacy IMHO.
How would we like not being able to touch a bolt on our cars without going to a main dealer who, having all their competition destroyed, would no doubt charge double the current rates?
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Martin Niemöller
Oh, and, for Albs:
Vote UKIP. :y
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Oh, and I'm quite sure they'll get round to banning Beer soon enough too. ;)
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I read through some of them, like having ABS a requirement on all new bikes and wearing hi-vis jackets compulsory, for most of them I don't have a problem & don't see what the big deal is all about!
No point worrying about all this EU crap, I just get on with my life, ride my bikes, go on holidays, I could not care less about what EU want/does, should I really give a flying monkey they plan to limit Hoovers to 12v or what ever?
Bigger things in life to get worked up over! Like what beer to drink tonight ;)
Actually a lot of the suggestions are total rubbish and need to be stopped as soon as possible.
I have always DIY serviced bikes and rebuilt quite a few, as to tuning, yet I have done that and have done it to cars as well.
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How i see it is they want to make you take your bike to be serviced at a dealer..... Also you wont be able to do things to your bike to make it go better etc etc....
What next though Tunnie? Cars?
Quite likely yes, and a lot of our cars would fail their rules.
This is a very dangerous precident and needs to be brought to the governments attention.
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What next though Tunnie? Cars?
Precisely. I take the same stance on Motorbikes as Jeremy Clarkson. [smiley=evil.gif] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRRNVdboes0
That said, bikers are fellow petrol heads like 4x4 enthusiasts, kit car builders, Omega Owners, etc. Talk of sealing engines against modification and killing off all aftermarket tuning is, if true, pure lunacy IMHO.
How would we like not being able to touch a bolt on our cars without going to a main dealer who, having all their competition destroyed, would no doubt charge double the current rates?
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Martin Niemöller
Oh, and, for Albs:
Vote UKIP. :y
I fully support any action to stop this.
As to UKIP I like their ideas but in our constituency the most important think was dumping the sitting MP and the new MP actually had a long chat with us before the election.
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Can we join the rides in a car? I don't think my push bike could keep up :D
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it won't work, how can they police DIY servicing?
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Very easily Tunnie. By have a system of seals on oil cap, coolant syste, fuel system etc. etc. which can only be removed without damage by an authorised dealer, and it would be illegal for anyone else to possess the tools to do this.Similar to the situation with manufacturing number plates at the moment.
Its not about how bothered you are about hiviz vests etc. Its about freedom to make your own choices versus state control for its own sake. As Kevin suggested,one day when its too late, we may all just be sorry we didnt stand up and fight against this type of thing when we had the chance.
If Im not working that day, I may just get off my arris and join in on this one for a change. ;)
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Very easily Tunnie. By have a system of seals on oil cap, coolant syste, fuel system etc. etc. which can only be removed without damage by an authorised dealer, and it would be illegal for anyone else to possess the tools to do this.Similar to the situation with manufacturing number plates at the moment.
Its not about how bothered you are about hiviz vests etc. Its about freedom to make your own choices versus state control for its own sake. As Kevin suggested,one day when its too late, we may all just be sorry we didnt stand up and fight against this type of thing when we had the chance.
If Im not working that day, I may just get off my arris and join in on this one for a change. ;)
I've seen brand new cars with them just screwed in, buy plates off eBay... yeah rule works!
So what if i never choose to service my 5 year old bike just MOT it?
It passes the MOT its legal, they make make it a legal requirement to take to a dealer, but there is no legal requirement my bike must be serviced. Just thats its legal! Aka MOT?
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I've seen brand new cars with them just screwed in, buy plates off eBay... yeah rule works!
So what if i never choose to service my 5 year old bike just MOT it?
It passes the MOT its legal, they make make it a legal requirement to take to a dealer, but there is no legal requirement my bike must be serviced. Just thats its legal! Aka MOT?
I'm not sure what you're arguing here... That you would be able to neglect your bike completely or take it to a main stealer but not service it yourself? :-/
What if all the dealers were linked to the DVLA/VOSA computer network, in the same way that insurance companies are now, so you present your bike (or Omega, etc.) for MOT and they say sorry - service history is not complete, and this is now an MOT requirement?
What if they happened regardless of whether you had serviced it yourself, or not bothered. You'd be happy to head off to the main dealer with a tub of vaseline to get it serviced again?
Rest assured.. If there is a will to enforce it, it will be rigourously enforced these days. Dealer networks, etc. will lobby hard for this, as it would be very profitable for them. ;)
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They can make a law tomorrow if they want to that you must have your bike serviced at whatever interval they tell you to.
Thats the point, they can do whatever they like to you and you cant even vote them out.Its the nanny state gone mental. It needs to be stopped. ;)
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Let them. It will fail!
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Doesnt matter if this particular minor detail is stringently enforced or not.This type of thing has been happening for years.It has been slowly creeping up on us, and when we get used to one restriction they sneakily introduce another. I believe that if we could go back in time by about 30 years for just one day, we would be amazed at how much more freedom we had then, and realise just how controlled and restricted we are now. ;)
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Some of it is good, some of it is bad. Would Beeching been able to close 1/3 of the British rail network today, based on a single report?
Some of it has gone too far though
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Some of it is good, some of it is bad. Would Beeching been able to close 1/3 of the British rail network today, based on a single report?
Some of it has gone too far though
I dont see any reason why not tbh. :-/
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Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out
If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too :y
http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883
And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.
And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. >:( >:(
Can't imagine why that is Nick, can you? ::)
It is possible to protest too much Mr Bat!
Out if touch myself. But I don't suppose there's anything new in the eu approach.
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Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out
If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too :y
http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883
And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.
And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. >:( >:(
Can't imagine why that is Nick, can you? ::)
It is possible to protest too much Mr Bat!
Out if touch myself. But I don't suppose there's anything new in the eu approach.
Not sure whether you're having a dig at me or not, Chris. :-/
However, I don't think I protest enough. In the UK we have a democracy (albeit poorly functioning) where laws are proposed by parties and, in some cases, individual MPs. They are accountable to the electorate. Those who make EU laws are accountable to no-one and, increasingly, those laws are superceding UK law, thus making the UK less democratic. I care about that, deeply. Not only did my parents fight to ensure the UK remained free, but I want that freedom to be passed on to my children. The way it's going, it doesn't look like that will necessarily happen. >:(
And how would you feel if they were to pass a law that would require all Omega owners to compulsorily scrap their cars? Could easily happen if they set an emissions limit to older cars. It's already happening, believe it or not, to ice cream vans. :o
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Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out
If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too :y
http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883
And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.
And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. >:( >:(
Can't imagine why that is Nick, can you? ::)
It is possible to protest too much Mr Bat!
Out if touch myself. But I don't suppose there's anything new in the eu approach.
Not sure whether you're having a dig at me or not, Chris. :-/
However, I don't think I protest enough. In the UK we have a democracy (albeit poorly functioning) where laws are proposed by parties and, in some cases, individual MPs. They are accountable to the electorate. Those who make EU laws are accountable to no-one and, increasingly, those laws are superceding UK law, thus making the UK less democratic. I care about that, deeply. Not only did my parents fight to ensure the UK remained free, but I want that freedom to be passed on to my children. The way it's going, it doesn't look like that will necessarily happen. >:(
And how would you feel if they were to pass a law that would require all Omega owners to compulsorily scrap their cars? Could easily happen if they set an emissions limit to older cars. It's already happening, believe it or not, to ice cream vans. :o
Not sure if you'd call it a dig.. Or a hint. I'll put it plane. Change the record. It's very very boring.
You probably right. But you've said so so many times I really couldn't give a rats arse. Politics, eu, Eco crap. FFS give it a rest.
Sorry Nic, but you must realize yourself surely...?
Try this... What's your favorite car? Other than an omega of course, which we all know is best. Or anything petrol powered....plane train boat... Anything? :-/
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Ahhaha... Pre empted I see. Although wrong section. ;D
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Very boring for you perhaps Chris, but not for everyone.
No need for the unfriendly attitude imo.Doesnt conform with forum guidelines either imo. If you dont like what the bloke posts just skim past it and dont read it, like no doubt quite a few people do when they have read hundreds of posts about how to make an Omega handle like a Ferrari.
Some members (such as yourself) are fascinated by trying to get the holy grail of perfect handling etc from their cars.Most tbh drive them because they are a comfy big barge, which does most things well for what it is. Nothing wrong with either veiwpoint, so being in the latter group I dont bother reading the latest opinion on which combination of tyre/bushes/shocks etc will shave 10 seconds off my route to work. I just skim past it because its not what holds my interest. :y
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Very boring for you perhaps Chris, but not for everyone.
No need for the unfriendly attitude imo.Doesnt conform with forum guidelines either imo. If you dont like what the bloke posts just skim past it and dont read it, like no doubt quite a few people do when they have read hundreds of posts about how to make an Omega handle like a Ferrari.
Some members (such as yourself) are fascinated by trying to get the holy grail of perfect handling etc from their cars.Most tbh drive them because they are a comfy big barge, which does most things well for what it is. Nothing wrong with either veiwpoint, so being in the latter group I dont bother reading the latest opinion on which combination of tyre/bushes/shocks etc will shave 10 seconds off my route to work. I just skim past it because its not what holds my interest. :y
Press the button again then Albs.
Clearly there's a scale of opinion to consider. Non of which seem too relevant on a car forum in a continual bashing over the head style. Key word being relevance. If I piped up continually on a fishing forum re cars for instance.... Hmmm?
Obviously Mr Bat will say eu Eco etc affects us all. So do cars. It is a car forum.
Yes it's gen chat. Mr Bat has his opinion, I have mine.... And you yours, of course.
Even you venture into the help sections occasionally...
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MAG and other European pressure groups have been more successful than most other pressure groups in opposing and stopping EU legislation. :y
Last time they proposed some of these regulations, bikers grid locking Brussels for a day with slow riding tactics, this seemed to concentrate MEPs on the proposal and it was postponed by sending it to a committee for further consideration. :y :y :y
But it has now resurfaced. >:( >:( >:(
Unfortunately, within the EU hierarchy there are many bike hating officials, with bike bans being proposed in the past. >:( >:( >:(
Fortunately, Germany is a major bike manufacturer (BMW) or there is a real chance it would have been successful. >:( >:( >:(
If the no tuning rules are imposed, it will stop ALL engine home repairs and servicing and the use of secondhand and pattern parts. Manufactures will decide the age span of a bike, by stopping the supply of official spare parts, say after 5 years, (or in a recession say 3 years, to boost profits) so you have to buy a new one. Once it is law it will be too late to stop, manufacturer lobbying will make sure of that. >:( >:( >:(
My understanding is that bikes are a test bed with the intention to extend this so all car engines are likewise sealed units. This legislation is aimed at making sure all vehicles comply at all times with emission standards. So don't be surprised if service intervals become compulsory. >:( >:( >:(
The Brussels politburo is deliberately non-democratic as the people aren't trusted, they might derail "The European Project" (driven by the German-France axis), by voting incorrectly. When this happens in treaty referendums, like ROI, then they have to keep voting until they come up with the right 'Yes' answer.
To see what is going to happen in the future then look at the history of the USSR as that is where the EU is heading politically and economically. >:( >:( >:(
The world is changing, the new dynamic West is the East (Asia), the new dynamic North is the South (America). With western economies consuming too much and producing too little and with Governments and individuals borrowing too much to try and keep up living standards, this is all going to end in tears. :'(
The USSR only broke apart when they were effectively bankrupt and could not feed their population. Fortunately, this happened in a relatively peaceful fashion. When this happens to the EU who knows if it will be peaceful or not!!!! :o :D
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MAG and other European pressure groups have been more successful than most other pressure groups in opposing and stopping EU legislation. :y
Last time they proposed some of these regulations, bikers grid locking Brussels for a day with slow riding tactics, this seemed to concentrate MEPs on the proposal and it was postponed by sending it to a committee for further consideration. :y :y :y
But it has now resurfaced. >:( >:( >:(
Unfortunately, within the EU hierarchy there are many bike hating officials, with bike bans being proposed in the past. >:( >:( >:(
Fortunately, Germany is a major bike manufacturer (BMW) or there is a real chance it would have been successful. >:( >:( >:(
If the no tuning rules are imposed, it will stop ALL engine home repairs and servicing and the use of secondhand and pattern parts. Manufactures will decide the age span of a bike, by stopping the supply of official spare parts, say after 5 years, (or in a recession say 3 years, to boost profits) so you have to buy a new one. Once it is law it will be too late to stop, manufacturer lobbying will make sure of that. >:( >:( >:(
My understanding is that bikes are a test bed with the intention to extend this so all car engines are likewise sealed units. This legislation is aimed at making sure all vehicles comply at all times with emission standards. So don't be surprised if service intervals become compulsory. >:( >:( >:(
The Brussels politburo is deliberately non-democratic as the people aren't trusted, they might derail "The European Project" (driven by the German-France axis), by voting incorrectly. When this happens in treaty referendums, like ROI, then they have to keep voting until they come up with the right 'Yes' answer.
To see what is going to happen in the future then look at the history of the USSR as that is where the EU is heading politically and economically. >:( >:( >:(
The world is changing, the new dynamic West is the East (Asia), the new dynamic North is the South (America). With western economies consuming too much and producing too little and with Governments and individuals borrowing too much to try and keep up living standards, this is all going to end in tears. :'(
The USSR only broke apart when they were effectively bankrupt and could not feed their population. Fortunately, this happened in a relatively peaceful fashion. When this happens to the EU who knows if it will be peaceful or not!!!! :o :D
Cracking post, Rods. :y :y :y
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Very boring for you perhaps Chris, but not for everyone.
No need for the unfriendly attitude imo.Doesnt conform with forum guidelines either imo. If you dont like what the bloke posts just skim past it and dont read it, like no doubt quite a few people do when they have read hundreds of posts about how to make an Omega handle like a Ferrari.
Some members (such as yourself) are fascinated by trying to get the holy grail of perfect handling etc from their cars.Most tbh drive them because they are a comfy big barge, which does most things well for what it is. Nothing wrong with either veiwpoint, so being in the latter group I dont bother reading the latest opinion on which combination of tyre/bushes/shocks etc will shave 10 seconds off my route to work. I just skim past it because its not what holds my interest. :y
Press the button again then Albs.
Clearly there's a scale of opinion to consider. Non of which seem too relevant on a car forum in a continual bashing over the head style. Key word being relevance. If I piped up continually on a fishing forum re cars for instance.... Hmmm?
Obviously Mr Bat will say eu Eco etc affects us all. So do cars. It is a car forum.
Yes it's gen chat. Mr Bat has his opinion, I have mine.... And you yours, of course.
Even you venture into the help sections occasionally...
The post he made was completely relevant to the original thread, and you as a biker surprise me with your blase attitude to the subject tbh. If you read Rods2 post above this post it should explain that it could very easily become relevant to people such as yourself in the future. Change the spec of your dampers/springs/bushes - we cant allow amateurs to do that kind of thing, cars will be flying off the roads and killing people left, right and centre. Install your own LPG ? not in a million years sonny. It would be tantamount to having unexploded bombs in the boot of cars all over the country. We would be abdicating our governace of safety responsibilities in the extreme if we allow that type of thing to continue........... ;)
And btw, what does "press the button again" mean ? :-/
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MAG and other European pressure groups have been more successful than most other pressure groups in opposing and stopping EU legislation. :y
Last time they proposed some of these regulations, bikers grid locking Brussels for a day with slow riding tactics, this seemed to concentrate MEPs on the proposal and it was postponed by sending it to a committee for further consideration. :y :y :y
But it has now resurfaced. >:( >:( >:(
Unfortunately, within the EU hierarchy there are many bike hating officials, with bike bans being proposed in the past. >:( >:( >:(
Fortunately, Germany is a major bike manufacturer (BMW) or there is a real chance it would have been successful. >:( >:( >:(
If the no tuning rules are imposed, it will stop ALL engine home repairs and servicing and the use of secondhand and pattern parts. Manufactures will decide the age span of a bike, by stopping the supply of official spare parts, say after 5 years, (or in a recession say 3 years, to boost profits) so you have to buy a new one. Once it is law it will be too late to stop, manufacturer lobbying will make sure of that. >:( >:( >:(
My understanding is that bikes are a test bed with the intention to extend this so all car engines are likewise sealed units. This legislation is aimed at making sure all vehicles comply at all times with emission standards. So don't be surprised if service intervals become compulsory. >:( >:( >:(
The Brussels politburo is deliberately non-democratic as the people aren't trusted, they might derail "The European Project" (driven by the German-France axis), by voting incorrectly. When this happens in treaty referendums, like ROI, then they have to keep voting until they come up with the right 'Yes' answer.
To see what is going to happen in the future then look at the history of the USSR as that is where the EU is heading politically and economically. >:( >:( >:(
The world is changing, the new dynamic West is the East (Asia), the new dynamic North is the South (America). With western economies consuming too much and producing too little and with Governments and individuals borrowing too much to try and keep up living standards, this is all going to end in tears. :'(
The USSR only broke apart when they were effectively bankrupt and could not feed their population. Fortunately, this happened in a relatively peaceful fashion. When this happens to the EU who knows if it will be peaceful or not!!!! :o :D
Cracking post, Rods. :y :y :y
Agreed. I didn't glaze over once. :y
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Very boring for you perhaps Chris, but not for everyone.
No need for the unfriendly attitude imo.Doesnt conform with forum guidelines either imo. If you dont like what the bloke posts just skim past it and dont read it, like no doubt quite a few people do when they have read hundreds of posts about how to make an Omega handle like a Ferrari.
Some members (such as yourself) are fascinated by trying to get the holy grail of perfect handling etc from their cars.Most tbh drive them because they are a comfy big barge, which does most things well for what it is. Nothing wrong with either veiwpoint, so being in the latter group I dont bother reading the latest opinion on which combination of tyre/bushes/shocks etc will shave 10 seconds off my route to work. I just skim past it because its not what holds my interest. :y
Press the button again then Albs.
Clearly there's a scale of opinion to consider. Non of which seem too relevant on a car forum in a continual bashing over the head style. Key word being relevance. If I piped up continually on a fishing forum re cars for instance.... Hmmm?
Obviously Mr Bat will say eu Eco etc affects us all. So do cars. It is a car forum.
Yes it's gen chat. Mr Bat has his opinion, I have mine.... And you yours, of course.
Even you venture into the help sections occasionally...
The post he made was completely relevant to the original thread, and you as a biker surprise me with your blase attitude to the subject tbh. If you read Rods2 post above this post it should explain that it could very easily become relevant to people such as yourself in the future. Change the spec of your dampers/springs/bushes - we cant allow amateurs to do that kind of thing, cars will be flying off the roads and killing people left, right and centre. Install your own LPG ? not in a million years sonny. It would be tantamount to having unexploded bombs in the boot of cars all over the country. We would be abdicating our governace of safety responsibilities in the extreme if we allow that type of thing to continue........... ;)
And btw, what does "press the button again" mean ? :-/
What's new Albs? You know as well as I do Mag and the EU have been at it since the beginning, and it will continue to the end no doubt. Boooooring!
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Very boring for you perhaps Chris, but not for everyone.
No need for the unfriendly attitude imo.Doesnt conform with forum guidelines either imo. If you dont like what the bloke posts just skim past it and dont read it, like no doubt quite a few people do when they have read hundreds of posts about how to make an Omega handle like a Ferrari.
Some members (such as yourself) are fascinated by trying to get the holy grail of perfect handling etc from their cars.Most tbh drive them because they are a comfy big barge, which does most things well for what it is. Nothing wrong with either veiwpoint, so being in the latter group I dont bother reading the latest opinion on which combination of tyre/bushes/shocks etc will shave 10 seconds off my route to work. I just skim past it because its not what holds my interest. :y
Press the button again then Albs.
Clearly there's a scale of opinion to consider. Non of which seem too relevant on a car forum in a continual bashing over the head style. Key word being relevance. If I piped up continually on a fishing forum re cars for instance.... Hmmm?
Obviously Mr Bat will say eu Eco etc affects us all. So do cars. It is a car forum.
Yes it's gen chat. Mr Bat has his opinion, I have mine.... And you yours, of course.
Even you venture into the help sections occasionally...
The post he made was completely relevant to the original thread, and you as a biker surprise me with your blase attitude to the subject tbh. If you read Rods2 post above this post it should explain that it could very easily become relevant to people such as yourself in the future. Change the spec of your dampers/springs/bushes - we cant allow amateurs to do that kind of thing, cars will be flying off the roads and killing people left, right and centre. Install your own LPG ? not in a million years sonny. It would be tantamount to having unexploded bombs in the boot of cars all over the country. We would be abdicating our governace of safety responsibilities in the extreme if we allow that type of thing to continue........... ;)
And btw, what does "press the button again" mean ? :-/
What's new Albs? You know as well as I do Mag and the EU have been at it since the beginning, and it will continue to the end no doubt. Boooooring!
Surelty if its that boring then why continue to add to it?
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Tunnie, do you always wear a Day-glo vest whilst riding ?
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Tunnie, do you always wear a Day-glo vest whilst riding ?
No, but if it became requirement, I would have not issues wearing one :)
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Tunnie, do you always wear a Day-glo vest whilst riding ?
No, but if it became requirement, I would have not issues wearing one :)
If I still had a road bike, a dayglo wouldn't bother me either.
But they still won't see the rider.... And the rider won't slow down because of it either.
Bikes should have a yellow head light and all else should be white. Then we can pic them out easier in mirrors, while filtering behind us, in on coming traffic etc.
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If I still had a road bike, a dayglo wouldn't bother me either.
But they still won't see the rider.... And the rider won't slow down because of it either....
Hi-Viz vest are a pita to wear at the best of times, always getting caught on something or other. A vest flapping about at speed - & I mean sensible speeds, not license busting warp speeds - would be unbearable.
Also, how does a reflective, bright coloured bike jacket not get seen rather than the vest? As you say Chris, people don't see you on a bike because they just don't look. :-?
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Worst thing is all this headlamp and driving light rubbish.
I never had lights on in day, unless bad weather, I find it easier to just daytime speeds when not lit up like a Christmas tree.
Only hit accidents I was seen but driver assumed I would not be in her lane (going from right to left as I entered on that side).
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If I still had a road bike, a dayglo wouldn't bother me either.
How long do you think it'll be before the powers that be decide that riding/driving round in circles on a track is a monumental waste of petrol and rubber and should, therefore, be banned? ;)
The MSA has already been badgered into adding a clause requiring catalytic converters on track into the blue book. Utterly pointless, of course, as they do nothing whatsoever on an engine that's used at full chat pretty much all the time. ::)
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I never had lights on in day, unless bad weather, ....
My bike's headlight is always on. I consider it to be one less excuse for car drivers to not see me with.
You should also try driving her Smart Roadster. I think other drivers must that that because it's little then it must be driving slowly, either that or they just don't see it. :-?
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I never had lights on in day, unless bad weather, ....
My bike's headlight is always on. I consider it to be one less excuse for car drivers to not see me with.
You should also try driving her Smart Roadster. I think other drivers must that that because it's little then it must be driving slowly, either that or they just don't see it. :-?
Biggest thing for invisibility is a caravan
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If I still had a road bike, a dayglo wouldn't bother me either.
But they still won't see the rider.... And the rider won't slow down because of it either....
Hi-Viz vest are a pita to wear at the best of times, always getting caught on something or other. A vest flapping about at speed - & I mean sensible speeds, not license busting warp speeds - would be unbearable.
Also, how does a reflective, bright coloured bike jacket not get seen rather than the vest? As you say Chris, people don't see you on a bike because they just don't look. :-?
You can get ones as part of jackets now, either part coloured, or entire jacket:
(http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/product_images/richa_jackets_textile_rix2_fluo-yellow_detail1.jpg)
Stops anything flapping around at speed
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If I still had a road bike, a dayglo wouldn't bother me either.
But they still won't see the rider.... And the rider won't slow down because of it either....
Hi-Viz vest are a pita to wear at the best of times, always getting caught on something or other. A vest flapping about at speed - & I mean sensible speeds, not license busting warp speeds - would be unbearable.
Also, how does a reflective, bright coloured bike jacket not get seen rather than the vest? As you say Chris, people don't see you on a bike because they just don't look. :-?
You can get ones as part of jackets now, either part coloured, or entire jacket:
(http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/product_images/richa_jackets_textile_rix2_fluo-yellow_detail1.jpg)
Stops anything flapping around at speed
When racing all beginners have to wear a Wally bib for their first season. Never noticed I had it on.
Granted they are not as large. But nobody complains there.
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I had one when learning too, blasting around on an old ER-5 around the lanes I never noticed it either
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If I still had a road bike, a dayglo wouldn't bother me either.
But they still won't see the rider.... And the rider won't slow down because of it either....
Hi-Viz vest are a pita to wear at the best of times, always getting caught on something or other. A vest flapping about at speed - & I mean sensible speeds, not license busting warp speeds - would be unbearable.
Also, how does a reflective, bright coloured bike jacket not get seen rather than the vest? As you say Chris, people don't see you on a bike because they just don't look. :-?
You can get ones as part of jackets now, either part coloured, or entire jacket:
(http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/product_images/richa_jackets_textile_rix2_fluo-yellow_detail1.jpg)
Stops anything flapping around at speed
When racing all beginners have to wear a Wally bib for their first season. Never noticed I had it on.
Granted they are not as large. But nobody complains there.
Now what is it they say?? Ah yes, "I the shirt fits wear it!" ;D
Sorry Gixer ::) well I aren't really ;D ;D ;D ::)
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If I still had a road bike, a dayglo wouldn't bother me either.
But they still won't see the rider.... And the rider won't slow down because of it either....
Hi-Viz vest are a pita to wear at the best of times, always getting caught on something or other. A vest flapping about at speed - & I mean sensible speeds, not license busting warp speeds - would be unbearable.
Also, how does a reflective, bright coloured bike jacket not get seen rather than the vest? As you say Chris, people don't see you on a bike because they just don't look. :-?
You can get ones as part of jackets now, either part coloured, or entire jacket:
(http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/product_images/richa_jackets_textile_rix2_fluo-yellow_detail1.jpg)
Stops anything flapping around at speed
When racing all beginners have to wear a Wally bib for their first season. Never noticed I had it on.
Granted they are not as large. But nobody complains there.
Now what is it they say?? Ah yes, "I the shirt fits wear it!" ;D
Sorry Gixer ::) well I aren't really ;D ;D ;D ::)
You on your Wally phone...? ;D
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Yes how did you guess!!
mind luck we aint got loads of stickies ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I never had lights on in day, unless bad weather, ....
My bike's headlight is always on. I consider it to be one less excuse for car drivers to not see me with.
You should also try driving her Smart Roadster. I think other drivers must that that because it's little then it must be driving slowly, either that or they just don't see it. :-?
It's the same in the MR2 (which does not go slowly ;D) - I might as well turn on my cloaking device for the amount of times people see me..
Heck, someone nearly took the back end off the car the other day on a roundabout! Precisely how short they thought my car was, I'm not sure... but they wanted it to be shorter.
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It's the same in the MR2 (which does not go slowly ;D) - I might as well turn on my cloaking device for the amount of times people see me..
It's no better in a Westfield. ::)
Heck, someone nearly took the back end off the car the other day on a roundabout! Precisely how short they thought my car was, I'm not sure... but they wanted it to be shorter.
Funny you should say that. Oh, wait! You said nearly. :'(
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Heck, someone nearly took the back end off the car the other day on a roundabout! Precisely how short they thought my car was, I'm not sure... but they wanted it to be shorter.
Funny you should say that. Oh, wait! You said nearly. :'(
Sorry Kevin.. I'll admit I laughed at that comment :-[ :-X
Oddly enough when it happened I was on the way to Dax to go and look at cars & buy those throttle bodies.. I suppose I would have been in the right place; one of the guys there was all for dropping one of their Chevy V8s into my car ;D
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Very easily Tunnie. By have a system of seals on oil cap, coolant syste, fuel system etc. etc. which can only be removed without damage by an authorised dealer, and it would be illegal for anyone else to possess the tools to do this.Similar to the situation with manufacturing number plates at the moment.
Its not about how bothered you are about hiviz vests etc. Its about freedom to make your own choices versus state control for its own sake. As Kevin suggested,one day when its too late, we may all just be sorry we didnt stand up and fight against this type of thing when we had the chance.
If Im not working that day, I may just get off my arris and join in on this one for a change. ;)
I've seen brand new cars with them just screwed in, buy plates off eBay... yeah rule works!
So what if i never choose to service my 5 year old bike just MOT it?
It passes the MOT its legal, they make make it a legal requirement to take to a dealer, but there is no legal requirement my bike must be serviced. Just thats its legal! Aka MOT?
:y bought plenty of number plates off e-bay , no problem, the law is an ass!
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Tunnie, do you always wear a Day-glo vest whilst riding ?
No, but if it became requirement, I would have not issues wearing one :)
Oh dear, will I have to wear Hi-Vis when I use my bike? I'm not sure it would serve any purpose. ::) ::) ;D ;D
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac142/Alan-Hearn/Random%20Pics/MuddyMotoX.jpg)