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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Ronald_McBurger on 08 June 2007, 22:42:42
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Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.
Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.
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Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.
Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.
What a crapper fin :(
What was the motive!!?
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hell that's well out of order doing something like that, hope that the school take the right action against the little scrote.....
if they dont then it is a case of goimg to the LEA, mt advice is to try and remain cool, although that is easier said than done, if i was in your shoes i wouldn't be waiting until monday.
good luck, hope he gets better soon
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Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.
Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.
I'm gobsmacked :o:'(
What the hell is going on to cause crap like this >:(
Good luck on Monday and I hope the bully gets his dues
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Go for it Ronald but as Jay says .... breathe ............& stay calm or you'll get into lumbar yourself.
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Im sure you will handle this the correct way Fin..Lets hope you get justice and no lasting damage to your son...
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Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.
Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.
Very bad news, Fin. :-/ You have my genuine sympathy.
Remember, though, that on the basis of what you have posted, a criminal offence has taken place and the police should be informed asap. The fact that the offence apparently took place in school does not mean that the school has any say in whether charges are brought or not.
If I were in your shoes, I would do the following:
Inform the police of a serious assault as soon as possible, i.e today (Saturday). Ascertain if there are any witnesses. If so, provide the police with names (and addresses if possible) in order that witness statements may be taken while the events are clear in their minds.
Visit the school on Monday by all means, but be calm and measured and tell the head teacher that you have reported a serious assault to the police. I would counsel against demanding that the school does XYZ, as the actions any school can take are very specifically laid down. As a school governor of over 10 years standing, I can assure you that parents who come in with all guns blazing rarely achieve as much as those who calmly lay down the facts. Remember, too, that very often schools are lumbered with truly awful kids and, these days, can do very little with regard either to disciplining them or getting shot of them.
If you are disappointed with the response you get from the school's senior management, your next port of call should be the chairman of the school's Governing Body.
Sorry if I sound so matter-of-fact about this. It must be a truly emotional time for you. Vent your spleen on here, then calmly do all you can ensure justice is done.
Hope little Fin's arm repairs itself soon. :y
Good luck.
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Thanks guys. The police were informed immediately. I haven't heard from them since. I am pressing charges for ABH and this is a racial attack, so we are pushing this one all the way. I am talking with the local TV station on Monday too, I am going to make a VERY big noise about this.
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Good luck Finlay - this is the same boy as designed our logo isn't it?
Pass our best wishes onto him and his mother, as well as you of course.
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Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.
Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.
Very bad news, Fin. :-/ You have my genuine sympathy.
Remember, though, that on the basis of what you have posted, a criminal offence has taken place and the police should be informed asap. The fact that the offence apparently took place in school does not mean that the school has any say in whether charges are brought or not.
If I were in your shoes, I would do the following:
Inform the police of a serious assault as soon as possible, i.e today (Saturday). Ascertain if there are any witnesses. If so, provide the police with names (and addresses if possible) in order that witness statements may be taken while the events are clear in their minds.
Visit the school on Monday by all means, but be calm and measured and tell the head teacher that you have reported a serious assault to the police. I would counsel against demanding that the school does XYZ, as the actions any school can take are very specifically laid down. As a school governor of over 10 years standing, I can assure you that parents who come in with all guns blazing rarely achieve as much as those who calmly lay down the facts. Remember, too, that very often schools are lumbered with truly awful kids and, these days, can do very little with regard either to disciplining them or getting shot of them.
If you are disappointed with the response you get from the school's senior management, your next port of call should be the chairman of the school's Governing Body.
Sorry if I sound so matter-of-fact about this. It must be a truly emotional time for you. Vent your spleen on here, then calmly do all you can ensure justice is done.
Hope little Fin's arm repairs itself soon. :y
Good luck.
Agree to a point Nick, but , my wife is a headteacher in a primary school in a very rough area of Barnsley, and, this attitude of 'We can't do anything with the little gits' just doesn't wash with her. Her school was left to it's own devices for 30 odd years because no one dared to challenge the culture that had evolved over that time. She operates a zero tolerance policy with reguards to bullying, by pupils, parents or, indeed, staff.
If all primary schools were run this way then it wouldn't be half as bad in secondary schools. The rules of engagement need to be set at a very early age.
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Sickener mate, Hope your lad gets better quickly.
I've got had my youngest off school all week with headaches after some little scrotes decided to try happy slapping with him as the target. He managed to report it to the year office and then whilst he was sat there in front of a bunch of teachers one of them burst in and hit him on the head with a chair. No respect, no fear of discipline or anything, Makes me wonder what state this country will be in when these ar**holes become adults.
Make a big stink about it mate, have you thought about a call to the press, they thrive on reporting this kind of bullying going on in schools.
I would even consider emailing, the chairman of the LEA, and the education minister. Nothing like pressure from the top to push a reluctant head into action.
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Sorry to hear about your lad Fin. Even up here in Bonnie Scotland it is like the wild west at times. A lot of the problem being the so called parents. No good waiting for the little Swines to grow up into adults it is the adults that need to grow up and show some respect to each other. >:(
You have started the ball rolling and good luck to you. :y
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DaveL
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Sorry to hear about your lad Fin. Even up here in Bonnie Scotland it is like the wild west at times. A lot of the problem being the so called parents. No good waiting for the little Swines to grow up into adults it is the adults that need to grow up and show some respect to each other. >:(
You have started the ball rolling and good luck to you. :y
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DaveL
No, Dave! I don't believe that ;D
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Agree to a point Nick, but , my wife is a headteacher in a primary school in a very rough area of Barnsley, and, this attitude of 'We can't do anything with the little gits' just doesn't wash with her. Her school was left to it's own devices for 30 odd years because no one dared to challenge the culture that had evolved over that time. She operates a zero tolerance policy with reguards to bullying, by pupils, parents or, indeed, staff.
If all primary schools were run this way then it wouldn't be half as bad in secondary schools. The rules of engagement need to be set at a very early age.
Excellent to hear that your wife operates a zero-tolerance policy. Should be mandatory in all schools. :y
To clarify my point a bit (and I'm talking secondary schools now), I mean that the range of sanctions a teacher can apply are somewhat limited. Detentions, inclusions, temporary exclusions then finally permanent exclusion. At that point, the parent normally appeals and either tries to get the exclusion blocked on a technicality, or swears blind that the School has got it in for their little darling. You may say, well these are not limited sanctions, but they are when you think about it. The kid who causes low-level trouble in school often knows how far he/she can push it without the teacher resorting to a formal sanction. And, of course, if teacher of unruly pupils hands out too many detentions, it can reflect badly on him/her. ("Can't control the kids, that one..."). In the old days they would get some sort "clip round the ear" or made to stand in the corner. And, when it comes to detentions, well, if they skip a few what happens then? A few days off on a temporary exclusion a few weeks after the original offence. Of course, detentions and exclusions mean little to the habitual rule breaker.
Fortunately, the school in which I serve as a governor (1600+ role of 11-18 years) has a head who also operates a zero-tolerance policy and will not tolerate any bad behaviour. However, in any school, big or small, it is the everyday teacher who faces the frontline, with a minority of disrespectful pupils who enjoy disrupting the learning process for the majority. Some teachers can actually be bullied by pupils and, at the end of the day, live in permanent fear of being falsely accused of intimidation or physical/sexual assault. The kids know that and they know that the burden of proof lies on the teacher's shoulders.
So, while there ARE sanctions available, teachers are no longer permitted to resort to the instant justice of the old days (clip round the ear, stand in the corner, etc.). These days it's, "Smith, you've just got yourself a detention". "Who cares Miss? Stick it up your b*m" General hilarity amongst the others and Smith earns himself a bit more playground respect.
It's a culture thing, I'm talking about, (or, maybe a "lack of culture" thing). :(
Also agree 100% with the comments about the parents. It all starts at home.
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I must make it crystal clear, taht my son was attacked by 20 kids ina mob. He is resented for being talented (been on TV before etc). He is also a black belt in karate, and after his arm was broken he had no choice than to defend himsef. He smacked the culprit very well indeed, and it worked. I am also aware that as a response to us making a formal allegation of ABH, my son will be arrested in a counter allegation of common assault. What pisses me off is that the police will take that seriously. If we push this my son could effectively get a criminal record. So, WHEN they arrest him, we are having formal representation and I will be informing the press of that as and when it occurs.
In the meantime we have a real dilema. Do we let our son continue at this school mixed with scum, or do we drag him away from his best friends to start all over again at a better school (private).
Crap isn't it? I have zero confidence in the school doing anything great about this. They know me better than to patronise me though. Believe me, Monday is a morning they will remember!
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It's a problem Nick. More of a problem than most people realise. I think where we need to start is to recognise that we can't treat these young people as 'kids' any more. They will not 'respect' teachers until teachers 'respect' them. This idea is alien to a lot of teaching staff (esp older ones) as it goes against everything they have ever known. The world is changing at a breathtaking speed and the need to keep up with the prevailing culture has never been more important.
Now, I know that a lot of people will say that they need a bloody good hiding/stint in borstal etc. but that just wouldn't work. These 'kids' live a very adult life outside of school and cannot be expected to change as soon as they walk through the school gates.
It's going to be really hard to get back some sort of equalibrium in todays secondary schools, but we must try or, I'm afraid, it's the good old american way for us all.
Steve.
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Believe me, Monday is a morning they will remember!
Amen to that! >:(
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Fin,
There a good schools and bad schools. Fact of life.
I don't want to say this, but whatever happens, his future at the current school could well be difficult for him. Being studious and good at piano, karate etc. makes him a natural target for the no-hopers and other scumbags. It's a good case against comprehensive education, I'm afraid.
I would start looking at alternative schools. If he is as talented at the piano as you say (and I am sure he is), consider a school that specialises in music. My own comprehensive school down here does (partial selection on music ability) and there is also the private Purcell School in Watford which specialises in music. Obviously, these are of no use to you, but serve as examples. I suspect that a little trawling around will find similar opportunities up there.
I suspect, if you handle the situation well and are a bit lucky too, little Fin will not get a criminal record. Being attacked by 20 entitles anyone to use self-defence, I would have thought. However, it is, in my opinion, VITAL that you get witnesses prepared to stand up and be counted. BTW, does the school have CCTV? We do in ours and it's a good system that records to HDD and archives for at least a week.
Good luck mate! :y
...and keep us posted.
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For what it's worth Fin, I've just asked the headteacher for her opinion and she concurs with Nick. It sticks in your gullet, I know, but it's probably better for your lad.
But, don't go quietly, OFSTED are contactable, if you try hard enough, and can contact the school directly if it is considered necessary. That REALLY hurts.
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It's a problem Nick. More of a problem than most people realise. I think where we need to start is to recognise that we can't treat these young people as 'kids' any more. They will not 'respect' teachers until teachers 'respect' them. This idea is alien to a lot of teaching staff (esp older ones) as it goes against everything they have ever known. The world is changing at a breathtaking speed and the need to keep up with the prevailing culture has never been more important.
Now, I know that a lot of people will say that they need a bloody good hiding/stint in borstal etc. but that just wouldn't work. These 'kids' live a very adult life outside of school and cannot be expected to change as soon as they walk through the school gates.
It's going to be really hard to get back some sort of equalibrium in todays secondary schools, but we must try or, I'm afraid, it's the good old american way for us all.
Steve.
Steve,
Not sure, I totally agree. I think, and I know I'm in a minority here, that this endless pandering to the youth has given them, as a group, a feeling of superiority - and it is now payback time for us. Yes, we can listen to them, but I defy anyone to tell me that anyone under 18 has the right to think that their views are more valid merely because they are young. They may well know a lot more about technological issues than we ever did at their age (the technology, of course was not there, then) and they may well reach sexual maturity earlier, but they are not, IMHO, that much more emotionally mature than in those days gone by. It's a cover-up. For example, Year 11s and 12s will go on about how "green" they are in their environmental studies, and yet they will litter, spit and drive like morons as if they have no responsibility at all. No, they are not true adults. Teachers, generally, are more adult than them and should command the greater respect for that.
Good discussion, though, mate! :y
Nick
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It's a problem Nick. More of a problem than most people realise. I think where we need to start is to recognise that we can't treat these young people as 'kids' any more. They will not 'respect' teachers until teachers 'respect' them. This idea is alien to a lot of teaching staff (esp older ones) as it goes against everything they have ever known. The world is changing at a breathtaking speed and the need to keep up with the prevailing culture has never been more important.
Now, I know that a lot of people will say that they need a bloody good hiding/stint in borstal etc. but that just wouldn't work. These 'kids' live a very adult life outside of school and cannot be expected to change as soon as they walk through the school gates.
It's going to be really hard to get back some sort of equalibrium in todays secondary schools, but we must try or, I'm afraid, it's the good old american way for us all.
Steve.
Steve,
Not sure, I totally agree. I think, and I know I'm in a minority here, that this endless pandering to the youth has given them, as a group, a feeling of superiority - and it is now payback time for us. Yes, we can listen to them, but I defy anyone to tell me that anyone under 18 has the right to think that their views are more valid merely because they are young. They may well know a lot more about technological issues than we ever did at their age (the technology, of course was not there, then) and they may well reach sexual maturity earlier, but they are not, IMHO, that much more emotionally mature than in those days gone by. It's a cover-up. For example, Year 11s and 12s will go on about how "green" they are in their environmental studies, and yet they will litter, spit and drive like morons as if they have no responsibility at all. No, they are not true adults. Teachers, generally, are more adult than them and should command the greater respect for that.
Good discussion, though, mate! :y
Nick
Hmmm.....trouble is, as I see it, it will only work in two ways...mutual respect or fear factor, and I think we've well lost the fear factor. The government, in it's wisdom, has gradually eroded all of the sanctions which a teacher had at his/her disposal, and the kids know it.
I think it's a lot to do with how we ALL look at professionals these days. Doctors, teachers, all professionals have been made accountable, in a very public way. The days of us accepting their word as law are long gone, and I really can't make up my mind if that's a good thing or not.
The current way of thinking, as forwarded by numerous agencies, is one of equality. Racial, sexual, age, religion. You cant, by law, be biased against older people. Perhaps kids think that applies the other way as well :D
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Anyway, my brain hurts now. G'night.
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Anyway, my brain hurts now. G'night.
Mine too.
G'night, Steve!
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I must make it crystal clear, taht my son was attacked by 20 kids ina mob. He is resented for being talented (been on TV before etc). He is also a black belt in karate, and after his arm was broken he had no choice than to defend himsef. He smacked the culprit very well indeed, and it worked. I am also aware that as a response to us making a formal allegation of ABH, my son will be arrested in a counter allegation of common assault. What pisses me off is that the police will take that seriously. If we push this my son could effectively get a criminal record. So, WHEN they arrest him, we are having formal representation and I will be informing the press of that as and when it occurs.
Ronnie dont take this the wrong way but why would 20 kids attack your boy...i know you say he"s resented but what caused the trouble to kick off in the first place.???
Also and i dont wish to be overly personal but was his race called into question and why.
As for calling in the press it maybe worth waiting to hear the other parties side of events (if you havent already of course).
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Less than 8 hours to go :-/
I wouldn't want to be in the Head's shoes if he doesn't co-operate with Fin...