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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Martin_1962 on 31 August 2009, 11:30:26
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number reported and being acted on - tatty Mondeo
Driving around our estate with a child on the drivers lap.
This is the second time I have seen the moron doing this, the first time the child was steering. >:( :o
If I have seen it twice - how often is he doing it.
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what a stupid idiot i wonder if he is legal aswell prob not
mind you if he was caught prob only get a slap on the wrist
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Take photos! Pass them on to the West Mercia Traffic unit! If he jumps out and starts having a go dial 999 :y They are evidenciary photos so no privacy laws to worry about as you're on a public roadway ;)
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Been reported before - no action was taken >:(
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Take photos! Pass them on to the West Mercia Traffic unit! If he jumps out and starts having a go dial 999 :y They are evidenciary photos so no privacy laws to worry about as you're on a public roadway ;)
I have a towbar so not scared
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Take photos! Pass them on to the West Mercia Traffic unit! If he jumps out and starts having a go dial 999 :y They are evidenciary photos so no privacy laws to worry about as you're on a public roadway ;)
I have a towbar so not scared
There's your answer then.... get in front of him and MIND THAT DOG ;D
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L403 JVX - tatty Mondeo
Driving around our estate with a child on the drivers lap.
This is the second time I have seen the moron doing this, the first time the child was steering. >:( :o
If I have seen it twice - how often is he doing it.
This may not have been the best way to approach the problem Martin :-/ :-/
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Police have it - tatty Mondeo
Driving around our estate with a child on the drivers lap.
This is the second time I have seen the moron doing this, the first time the child was steering. >:( :o
If I have seen it twice - how often is he doing it.
This may not have been the best way to approach this problem Martin :-/ :-/
I have broken no laws here, yet he has plenty.
Anyway - no comebacks as I do know where they live.
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L403 JVX - tatty Mondeo
Driving around our estate with a child on the drivers lap.
This is the second time I have seen the moron doing this, the first time the child was steering. >:( :o
If I have seen it twice - how often is he doing it.
Sadly this vehicle shows as having no insurance at the moment, would be terrible for the car to be seized and crushed wouldn't it ;)
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TH ePolice now have it and are investigating - tatty Mondeo
Driving around our estate with a child on the drivers lap.
This is the second time I have seen the moron doing this, the first time the child was steering. >:( :o
If I have seen it twice - how often is he doing it.
Sadly this vehicle shows as having no insurance at the moment, would be terrible for the car to be seized and crushed wouldn't it ;)
How would be found out?
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Take photos! Pass them on to the West Mercia Traffic unit! If he jumps out and starts having a go dial 999 :y They are evidenciary photos so no privacy laws to worry about as you're on a public roadway ;)
I have a towbar so not scared
I have, but what's that got to do with this moron.
Ring crimestoppers, can you down your way?
Mick
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Ring crimestoppers,
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I assume when you say you've got a towbar, you mean you'll brake hard and he'll go into the back of you? But we've established there's an unrestrained child in the car, between the driver and the steering wheel so that's clearly not an option.
I'd simply dial 999 and report what you see, vehicle with unrestrained child occupant. Everytime you see it...report it. Not trying to annoy the police, just give them a clearer picture of how frequent it is. It clearly is a dangerous and frankly irresponsible way to drive, with no thought given to the childs safety. Persist until something is done :y
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I'd simply dial 999 and report what you see, vehicle with unrestrained child occupant. Everytime you see it...report it. Not trying to annoy the police, just give them a clearer picture of how frequent it is.
I'd personally recommend using the Forces non-emergency number. If everyone called in an unrestrained child on the 9's, there would never be any capacity for more serious emergencies :y
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Have you thought to send the photos to your local mainstream paper with the story that he's been seen doing it on more than one occasion, they maybe interested in take up the story on the angle of why the Police haven't done anything about it ?. And the threat of Social Service getting involved if the story gathers speed may make idiot think twice about doing it again.
Just a thought ?.
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I mean if he got aggressive - his car would come off worse
Police were not interested last time.
Might try the paper if I hear nothing this time
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As the Mother of two young children this is very annoying and just shows that the parents of today have no respect for the safety of our children..
As parents we have a duty of care and in this case it appears the parent could not care less
Bev
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Being dealt with now
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I have to ask....does anyone really give a toss what someone else is doing if it is not affecting them directly?
Let's get real here...
Yes the guy with the Ford sounds like a bit of a knob according to Martin's description.....but equally his son could be sitting on his lap steering the car at 5mph (we haven't had the full details).
Either way (excluding the possible insurance issue), I doubt it affects anybody here.....so why are people bothered to the point where they recommend calling the old bill (who won't do sod all anyway)?
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I have to ask....does anyone really give a toss what someone else is doing if it is not affecting them directly?
Let's get real here...
Yes the guy with the Ford sounds like a bit of a knob according to Martin's description.....but equally his son could be sitting on his lap steering the car at 5mph (we haven't had the full details).
Either way (excluding the possible insurance issue), I doubt it affects anybody here.....so why are people bothered to the point where they recommend calling the old bill (who won't do sod all anyway)?
Listen Killersnot!
Regardless of speed a 5 year old should not be steering a car on public roads, you know where other 5 year olds may be playing out in the street/ running out for their ball etc, I dont think emergency stops are taught in reception class >:(
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how do you tell if a car has any insurance - i.e as a member of the public that is?
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Listen Killersnot!
Not really godlike to engage your mouth before starting the brain.
Regardless of speed a 5 year old should not be steering a car on public roads, you know where other 5 year olds may be playing out in the street/ running out for their ball etc, I dont think emergency stops are taught in reception class >:(
You know what?
If somebody was letting their 5 year old steer the car on a quiet road (and I'll assume these are quiet roads Martin is talking about), then the childs feet won't even be touching the pedals....which means the so called adult has control of whether the car stops & starts (thats the important bit BTW).
Of course if we are talking roads that are outside of a quiet estate, then Martin has a very valid point......trouble is, we haven't had the full story to form an opinion yet!
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This sort of thing should be done in an empty field. PERIOD.
Martin is 100% correct
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Listen Killersnot!
Not really godlike to engage your mouth before starting the brain.
The cheek of it , from you of all people ;D ;D
Regardless of speed a 5 year old should not be steering a car on public roads, you know where other 5 year olds may be playing out in the street/ running out for their ball etc, I dont think emergency stops are taught in reception class >:(
You know what?
If somebody was letting their 5 year old steer the car on a quiet road (and I'll assume these are quiet roads Martin is talking about), then the childs feet won't even be touching the pedals....which means the so called adult has control of whether the car stops & starts (thats the important bit BTW).
Of course if we are talking roads that are outside of a quiet estate, then Martin has a very valid point......trouble is, we haven't had the full story to form an opinion yet!
I don't think the full story will change anything for me in this, a driver could not be in full control of the vehicle with a kid on his lap, vision obscured, kids arms and legs flapping about.
It shouldn't happen full stop, quiet road, busy road no matter it's just crazy.
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I don't think the full story will change anything for me in this, a driver could not be in full control of the vehicle with a kid on his lap, vision obscured, kids arms and legs flapping about.
It shouldn't happen full stop, quiet road, busy road no matter it's just crazy.
I had both my kids behind the wheel by the time they were 7.
Neither of them could reach the pedals, so the stop & go motion was down to me while they were on my lap.
Their arms & legs weren't "flapping" about in the slightest, and as I was in control of the stopping & starting....we cruised along at a walking pace while they mastered distance & perception.
I'm sure you'll have a PC answer as to why that was dangerous for anyone else to be around us while that was taking place, but tell me what was really dangerous about it.
Don't get me wrong....if Martin's neighbour is hooning (hooning = more than walking pace) around an estate and letting a kid have control during the process...then someone needs to have a word.
However if it's just a case of dad letting the kid steer at very low (and controllable by the father) speeds on a nice quiet road, then I don't see the problem.
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I have to ask....does anyone really give a toss what someone else is doing if it is not affecting them directly?
Let's get real here...
Yes the guy with the Ford sounds like a bit of a knob according to Martin's description.....but equally his son could be sitting on his lap steering the car at 5mph (we haven't had the full details).
Either way (excluding the possible insurance issue), I doubt it affects anybody here.....so why are people bothered to the point where they recommend calling the old bill (who won't do sod all anyway)?
As I said - not the first time, and yes children play around there, and often children are cycling along there.
What kind of moron does this on a public road?
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I don't think the full story will change anything for me in this, a driver could not be in full control of the vehicle with a kid on his lap, vision obscured, kids arms and legs flapping about.
It shouldn't happen full stop, quiet road, busy road no matter it's just crazy.
I had both my kids behind the wheel by the time they were 7.
Neither of them could reach the pedals, so the stop & go motion was down to me while they were on my lap.
Their arms & legs weren't "flapping" about in the slightest, and as I was in control of the stopping & starting....we cruised along at a walking pace while they mastered distance & perception.
I'm sure you'll have a PC answer as to why that was dangerous for anyone else to be around us while that was taking place, but tell me what was really dangerous about it.
Don't get me wrong....if Martin's neighbour is hooning (hooning = more than walking pace) around an estate and letting a kid have control during the process...then someone needs to have a word.
However if it's just a case of dad letting the kid steer at very low (and controllable by the father) speeds on a nice quiet road, then I don't see the problem.
It was the main road into an estate where there are a lot of people around. We often cycle along there as well (me and children), there are places for this (ie supermarkets when shut) but not a public road
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We're not allowed to hold a mobile phone, take a drink, or eat whilst in control of a motor vehicle (moving)..........so why should it be kind of ok to let a child of this age sit at the wheel, whether in control or not...........it's illegal end of.
Mick
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I use to sit on my Dads lap & steer his then new 1968 G reg Mk2 Cortina into the driveway & with help reverse it into the garage which in itself is no bad thing but despite "Dad" having control of the pedals this should not happen on a public highway for countless reasons.
Nothing wrong in what he did but where he did it is questionable.
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It was the main road into an estate where there are a lot of people around. We often cycle along there as well (me and children), there are places for this (ie supermarkets when shut) but not a public road
All speeds aside, if the dad is allowing that on what is generally classed as a "main" road, then he needs to be sorted.
it's illegal end of.
Mick
It's illegal to do 31mph in an urban area, but I bet you (and everybody else) breaks that law every day of the week.
What nanny says is best isn't always so, trust me on that.
Checks & balances
Time & place for everything
Etc
Etc
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Funny isn't it how we are up in arms about this. 'Cos I am old, I remember driving about in cars with no seatbelts, lolling in the boots of estates, sitting in the front seat, sitting on people's laps. I agree its totally wrong but it made me smile reminiscing! ::)
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cant see what the fuss is all about
i give my lad the keys to go up the shops for my fags
never crashed it and he is only 8 :y
Doug
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cant see what the fuss is all about
i give my lad the keys to go up the shops for my fags
never crashed it and he is only 8 :y
Doug
I somehow sense you are joking ;D :y
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His Kid/His duty of care/his business.
As KW said depends very much on specific circumstances,but if the road was very quiet and there werent kids playing in the street at the time then no great harm done imo.
No insurance is a different matter though.
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His Kid/His duty of care/his business.
Not when it displays complete disregard for the law....
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OK this is how most people I know learnt road craft.
On a bicycle, then a motorbike/moped training scheme, then a moped ect ect
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Matter of opinion in my view.Dad having child on lap sort of steering the car,thinking they are driving it,is something that has happened since cars were invented.As long as the circumstances werent inherently dangerous I dont see the point of making a big fuss.
No - one made a big fuss of such things years ago when we used to use our judgement with our own kids and viewed the politicians job was to make laws and our job to ignore them,as long as we werent being completely reckless and downright dangerous. ;)
This btw was the method that Jackie Stewart used to learn to drive as a wee lad,sitting on his mums lap,iirc.
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Same goes for mobile phones - you could say it's not worthwhile making a fuss - until someone gets killed.
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OK this is how most people I know learnt road craft.
On a bicycle, then a motorbike/moped training scheme, then a moped ect ect
I did all of those in that order Martin,but I nicked my dads car before I did any of them.I was 5 at the time. ::) ;D..............could be why I turned out like I did. :-[ :D
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Matter of opinion in my view.Dad having child on lap sort of steering the car,thinking they are driving it,is something that has happened since cars were invented.As long as the circumstances werent inherently dangerous I dont see the point of making a big fuss.
No - one made a big fuss of such things years ago when we used to use our judgement with our own kids and viewed the politicians job was to make laws and our job to ignore them,as long as we werent being completely reckless and downright dangerous. ;)
This btw was the method that Jackie Stewart used to learn to drive as a wee lad,sitting on his mums lap,iirc.
I didn't mention before the car was everywhere and had to stop when I came behind it.
And it was not a field, nor a car park
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Same goes for mobile phones - you could say it's not worthwhile making a fuss - until someone gets killed.
Personally I dont see a problem talking on a mobile while driving an auto.I think texting while driving should be a hanging offence. :)
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Same goes for mobile phones - you could say it's not worthwhile making a fuss - until someone gets killed.
Personally I dont see a problem talking on a mobile while driving an auto.I think texting while driving should be a hanging offence. :)
Not sure I agree with the first point - but do with the second bit :D
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Matter of opinion in my view.Dad having child on lap sort of steering the car,thinking they are driving it,is something that has happened since cars were invented.As long as the circumstances werent inherently dangerous I dont see the point of making a big fuss.
No - one made a big fuss of such things years ago when we used to use our judgement with our own kids and viewed the politicians job was to make laws and our job to ignore them,as long as we werent being completely reckless and downright dangerous. ;)
This btw was the method that Jackie Stewart used to learn to drive as a wee lad,sitting on his mums lap,iirc.
I didn't mention before the car was everywhere and had to stop when I came behind it.
If thats the case it sounds like the bloke wasnt in control of the car so he is a tw*t. ;)
As I said,imo it depends on specific circumstances.It could be pretty harmless or very dangerous.
And it was not a field, nor a car park
Messed that quote up a bit. :-[
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Same goes for mobile phones - you could say it's not worthwhile making a fuss - until someone gets killed.
Personally I dont see a problem talking on a mobile while driving an auto.I think texting while driving should be a hanging offence. :)
Not sure I agree with the first point - but do with the second bit :D
Well,when mobiles first appeared everyone was using them while driving,then someone decided it was dangerous beyond belief,then people were getting done for eating an Apple etc,its a matter of where you draw the line.Personally I thinkthat if your driving an auto (especially if like me you are in the habit of driving with one hand on the wheel)you arent going to be doing much else with your left hand.
I have driven behind people who were texting while driving and imo they had no more control of the car than someone who had drunk 8 pints.
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cant see what the fuss is all about
i give my lad the keys to go up the shops for my fags
never crashed it and he is only 8 :y
Doug
I somehow sense you are joking ;D :y
yes i was kidding
I couldnt resist it tho :y
Doug
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Personally I thinkthat if your driving an auto (especially if like me you are in the habit of driving with one hand on the wheel)you arent going to be doing much else with your left hand.
Maybe - but I think the issue with phones is not so much just about whether or not you have a free hand - but moreso the lapse of concentration that occurs when people are wrapped up in a phone call.... and their mind is elsewhere other than on the road?
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I thought the whole point of bluetooth was that you could drive and talk without taking your hands of the wheel?
I wouldnr actually know for certain,never used it myself. :-/