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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Elite Pete on 11 August 2009, 19:37:25
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I've started to replace the injector pump on the 2.2 Diesel I bought a couple of weeks ago. I was hoping it would be the injector seal, fuel filter or bleed off pipes but after replacing them the bloody thing still wont start so i'm doing the pump, and what a swine of a job especially as there is no book of lies or much info on the tinterweb and i've only really worked on petrols. I have started by removing as much stuff around the pump so I can see where i'm going so the intercooler and rad are out plus loads of other little bits and bobs. I have got the pump out and the new pump in so fingers crossed by Friday night the old girl will be running, would be sooner but i'm painting the student place in Liverpool :'(. Some pics
Cam cover off
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/pickledpepper/090723_165901.jpg)
Rad and intercooler removed
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/pickledpepper/090811_131440.jpg)
To allow access to this little plate which is the cover for the pump drive chain and sprocket
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/pickledpepper/090811_131429.jpg)
Once the plate is removed it gives you access to the 4 bolts that hold the chain and sprocket to the pump
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/pickledpepper/090811_132115-1.jpg)
Once that has been removed there is another chain and sprocket which has 4 holes, these holes allow access to the 4 bolt that hold the pump to the casing
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/pickledpepper/090811_144548.jpg)
and the offending item itself
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h64/pickledpepper/090811_144605.jpg)
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hmmm, I'm really not a fan of that engine, and that hasn't helped...
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hmmm, I'm really not a fan of that engine, and that hasn't helped...
I will tell you on Friday if I am or not ;D
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Uhm, looks interesting :) I've not had any probs with my pump (i hope i never will). Let us know how you get on Pete :y
How many miles has it done?
Oh, whilst i think of it, could you measure your dip stick :D :D for me please? I know it sounds daft, but when i do an oil change & put the required amount in it's always above the max mark :-? I was wondering if i've the right dipper :-/
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Its done 130,000 apparently the Bosch VP44 pump is a common failure :(
My dipstick is only 2".......................
from the floor :D
I will measure it on Friday :y
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Its done 130,000 apparently the Bosch VP44 pump is a common failure :(
My dipstick is only 2".......................
from the floor :D
I will measure it on Friday :y
;D ;D ;D ;D Thanks Pete :y
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Hi, mine died at 90k not good, vx said it was a known fault on these engines, they had done two when mine went in to get replaced (I don't know the layout to attempt), looks like you know what's what on these. By the way - you might want to change the cam sensor while the tops off, as after mine got put back together - they had to strip it down again as it sounded like a bag of spanners (more than normal for a trak engine). After its been fine - but expensive - how much did your pump cost? I could only source one direct from bosh in germany and got it shipped over for vx to install. Vx wanted 1400 quid for the job, got the pump for 600 with 300 to fit. Sad day that one. Regards
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Reminds me of when I fitted 2 pumps to my diesel vectra, and it still wouldnt run. Well... it ran on easy start sweet as a nut, but the second I stopped spraying it, it died. Gave up and sold it as a non runner in the end.
(http://www.ijdonline.co.uk/oof/vecpump1.jpg)
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Looks like this could be a good How To Pete keep the photo's going :y
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Looks like this could be a good How To Pete keep the photo's going :y
I can do a quick how to guide if you like, its dead easy:
1) Go to tesco and buy some matches....
2) Light the matches and place them inside the car...
3) Run ;D
(http://www.newsgroper.com/files/legacy/nuclear-explosion.jpg)
:y :y :y
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Pete - isn't the pump coded to the ECU?
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Pete - isn't the pump coded to the ECU?
Yep :y
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Pete - isn't the pump coded to the ECU?
Yep :y
I still dont know about that... Some people say they are, others say they arn't! :-?
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Pete - isn't the pump coded to the ECU?
Yep :y
I still dont know about that... Some people say they are, others say they arn't! :-?
I thought it was a fuel pump, not sure about injector pumps, that'll teach me to read.
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Pete - isn't the pump coded to the ECU?
So long as you get the same part No you should be OK. The Omega ones are 0 470 504 016
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Pete - isn't the pump coded to the ECU?
Yep :y
I still dont know about that... Some people say they are, others say they arn't! :-?
I thought it was a fuel pump, not sure about injector pumps, that'll teach me to read.
The 2.2 diesel only has an Injector pump.
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Any luck with this Omega?
Bosch or Delphi pumps are the same..rubbish.
As per new pump that didn't work - thought there are similar models, only same one will work.
BTW- doesn't new pump has to be coded with the ECU?
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Any luck with this Omega?
Bosch or Delphi pumps are the same..rubbish.
As per new pump that didn't work - thought there are similar models, only same one will work.
BTW- doesn't new pump has to be coded with the ECU?
Its fine now, I replaced the pump with a pump that had the same part No's and it didn't need coding to the ECU :)
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Did you remember to measure it? ::)
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Having spent many hours playing with 2.2's and the pumps i like to think i know a little, the numbers i have found are 009, 016, 018 and 215. I would say it takes about 4 hours to remove and fit and is not as bad as the vectra to do. As for being coded to the ECU the 2.2 doesn't seem the same as the 2.0 DTI because my 2.2 DTI is a 018 but i have just put a 016 in and it runs fine and no they dont have to be coded to the ECU. I've been told that the only reason for the change in codes is not so much to do with what ECU you have but more to do with emissions.
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Did you remember to measure it? ::)
I offered to measure it for him but he flatly turned me down! :( :'( :'( :'( ;D
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Did you remember to measure it? ::)
I offered to measure it for him but he flatly turned me down! :( :'( :'( :'( ;D
You're welcome to come over & measure mine :D ;D
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Did you remember to measure it? ::)
Sorry Pete, I am a let down but to be honest i've not been near the car for weeks, I suppose I should get it MOT'd and sold ::)
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Did you remember to measure it? ::)
I offered to measure it for him but he flatly turned me down! :( :'( :'( :'( ;D
You're welcome to come over & measure mine :D ;D
Anytime ;) But IIRC I'll only need the short measuring stick ;) ;D ;D
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Did you remember to measure it? ::)
Sorry Pete, I am a let down but to be honest i've not been near the car for weeks, I suppose I should get it MOT'd and sold ::)
Ok mate :)
If you would be so kind the next time you lift the bonnet :y
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Having spent many hours playing with 2.2's and the pumps i like to think i know a little, the numbers i have found are 009, 016, 018 and 215. I would say it takes about 4 hours to remove and fit and is not as bad as the vectra to do. As for being coded to the ECU the 2.2 doesn't seem the same as the 2.0 DTI because my 2.2 DTI is a 018 but i have just put a 016 in and it runs fine and no they dont have to be coded to the ECU. I've been told that the only reason for the change in codes is not so much to do with what ECU you have but more to do with emissions.
Some pumps with diferent numbers will not work properly.
As per coding - didn't have to code pump as I have kept old one and it's Ford so Delphi pump. Common Rail injectors have to be coded but it's completely diferent story.
BTW - did anyone tried to dismantle old, broken pump?
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I've got my old one here ready for Mr DTM to pull apart ;)
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Note to all, the main killer of these pumps is water due to poor servicing and not draining the water from the fuel filter or changing the element.
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Note to all, the main killer of these pumps is water due to poor servicing and not draining the water from the fuel filter or changing the element.
Note taken & that's why mine gets serviced regular :y
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Note to all, the main killer of these pumps is water due to poor servicing and not draining the water from the fuel filter or changing the element.
Not all the time, the ECU does tend to pack up aswell
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the fuel filter is a pain in the .1£%
yo need baby fingers to get the pipes off and the water drain is also a fiddle >:(
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the fuel filter is a pain in the .1£%
yo need baby fingers to get the pipes off and the water drain is also a fiddle >:(
Agreed.
It is in a very stupid place & for something you need regular access to.