Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Gaffers on 07 October 2009, 21:11:47
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Firstly,
A) is it legal to tow an omega with another omega using an A frame, and,
B) if yes, does anyone have one I can borrow ::)
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A. yes
B. no
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I don't think so ...... but could be wrong ...
My reasoning is this .. the VIN plate on mine (V6 Elite 2001 Saloon) gives the maximum vehicle weight as 2200 Kg and the maximum train weight as 4075 KG ...
so my miggy (2200 Kgs) + another miggy (2200 kgs)+ an A frame (100 kg ?? ) = 4500 Kgs which exceeds the max train weight ....
All towing laws on weights are based on plated weights and rarely on actual measured weights
There is further argument that an A - Frame is an unbraked trailer ... but I won't go into that !!
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Ok thats one-all.....
anyone else? :y ;D
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Except, your miggy will not be at its maximum vehicle weight....its likely to be closer to 1750Kg
Your main problem is that you need a braked trailer so it needs somebody in it working the brakes.....and the towed vehicle needs tax, insurance and an MOT
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The braking and tax, ins, mot, etc isnt a problem.....
....so anyone have an A frame? pwerty pwease! ::)
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The braking and tax, ins, mot, etc isnt a problem.....
....so anyone have an A frame? pwerty pwease! ::)
How far are you planning on going? How about a rigid tow pole? (not the crappy sprung bars from Machine Mart)
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The braking and tax, ins, mot, etc isnt a problem.....
....so anyone have an A frame? pwerty pwease! ::)
How far are you planning on going? How about a rigid tow pole? (not the crappy sprung bars from Machine Mart)
Bristol to Camberley
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Auto or manual?
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Auto or manual?
auto, so will have to disconnect the driveshaft union... would it be legal to drive so far on a ridged towing bar?
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The braking and tax, ins, mot, etc isnt a problem.....
....so anyone have an A frame? pwerty pwease! ::)
How far are you planning on going? How about a rigid tow pole? (not the crappy sprung bars from Machine Mart)
Bristol to Camberley
As Mark is suggesting .....
if it's auto, your prop needs disconnecting or the whole lot on a trailer. You can't tow autos that far or you'll bugger it up.
if manual ...... you don't! ;)
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Auto or manual?
auto, so will have to disconnect the driveshaft union... would it be legal to drive so far on a ridged towing bar?
Legal or not, I'd not fancy it, in either car. :y
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If you have not yet been put off Guffer, watch this:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-xnw568hNo[/media]
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Auto or manual?
auto, so will have to disconnect the driveshaft union... would it be legal to drive so far on a ridged towing bar?
Yep, towed 100+ miles before on a rigid bar (and a machine mart one at that) which is no problem as long as the person in the rear car is good at towing (and uses the brake!).
You need somebody strong in the car as the steering is heavy
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Bristol to Camberley
That's a fair old distance, and you won't be doing it (legally) on the motorway if you have to use a stiff bar.
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Auto or manual?
auto, so will have to disconnect the driveshaft union... would it be legal to drive so far on a ridged towing bar?
Yep, towed 100+ miles before on a rigid bar (and a machine mart one at that) which is no problem as long as the person in the rear car is good at towing (and uses the brake!).
You need somebody strong in the car as the steering is heavy
That must be the understatement of the year!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
Anyone know of a friendly gorilla?? :-/ :-/ :D :D :D ;)
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Auto or manual?
auto, so will have to disconnect the driveshaft union... would it be legal to drive so far on a ridged towing bar?
Yep, towed 100+ miles before on a rigid bar (and a machine mart one at that) which is no problem as long as the person in the rear car is good at towing (and uses the brake!).
You need somebody strong in the car as the steering is heavy
I was thinking one of my experienced colleagues in the front and me in the towed car :y
This could be a nice little fixer uper for me :y
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Auto or manual?
auto, so will have to disconnect the driveshaft union... would it be legal to drive so far on a ridged towing bar?
Yep, towed 100+ miles before on a rigid bar (and a machine mart one at that) which is no problem as long as the person in the rear car is good at towing (and uses the brake!).
You need somebody strong in the car as the steering is heavy
That must be the understatement of the year!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
You've never seen my guns though have you LZ? ;)
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Auto or manual?
auto, so will have to disconnect the driveshaft union... would it be legal to drive so far on a ridged towing bar?
Yep, towed 100+ miles before on a rigid bar (and a machine mart one at that) which is no problem as long as the person in the rear car is good at towing (and uses the brake!).
You need somebody strong in the car as the steering is heavy
That must be the understatement of the year!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
You've never seen my guns though have you LZ? ;)
Nope! :o :o :o But I'm hoping to now Guffer!! :-* :-* 8-) 8-) ;D ;D ;)
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Yep, towed 100+ miles before on a rigid bar (and a machine mart one at that) which is no problem as long as the person in the rear car is good at towing (and uses the brake!).
You need somebody strong in the car as the steering is heavy
My 'sprung' rigid bar just folded up at a junction. The T junction dipped slightly as we approached the main road and as the towed Astra was braking, but obvioulsy using the bar to to stop too, the bar just bent UPwards rather than compress. The home made version with continued with the following day was fantastic - inch & 1/2 box section from the towbar to the front towing point. :y :y :y
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Auto or manual?
auto, so will have to disconnect the driveshaft union... would it be legal to drive so far on a ridged towing bar?
Yep, towed 100+ miles before on a rigid bar (and a machine mart one at that) which is no problem as long as the person in the rear car is good at towing (and uses the brake!).
You need somebody strong in the car as the steering is heavy
That must be the understatement of the year!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
You've never seen my guns though have you LZ? ;)
Nope! :o :o :o But I'm hoping to now Guffer!! :-* :-* 8-) 8-) ;D ;D ;)
Lets hope Mrs Guffer doesn't change her lifelong promise of never coming on here! :y ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I did North yorkshire to Somerset on a fixed bar and all was fine. If you have a towbar with socket then get yourself a light board and put it on the rear of the towed car and plug that in just incase it has a dead battery :y
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If you have a towbar with socket then get yourself a light board and put it on the rear of the towed car and plug that in ......
That's how my Astra was brought back
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Firstly,
A) is it legal to tow an omega with another omega using an A frame, and,
B) if yes, does anyone have one I can borrow ::)
Hire a dolly.the one the front wheel of the towed car wheels are off the ground.Hire is about £20 per day but don't forget a light board
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Yep, towed 100+ miles before on a rigid bar (and a machine mart one at that) which is no problem as long as the person in the rear car is good at towing (and uses the brake!).
You need somebody strong in the car as the steering is heavy
My 'sprung' rigid bar just folded up at a junction. The T junction dipped slightly as we approached the main road and as the towed Astra was braking, but obvioulsy using the bar to to stop too, the bar just bent UPwards rather than compress. The home made version with continued with the following day was fantastic - inch & 1/2 box section from the towbar to the front towing point. :y :y :y
At no point under towing should the bar be used to stop the car behind....if the tow person is any good, then the car in front should not have to use its brakes!
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If you have not yet been put off Guffer, watch this:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-xnw568hNo[/media]
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
He was towing far too fast and wasn't paying any attention to what was happening behind him. Also did the steering lock come on? Trying to work out why they were struggling.
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At no point under towing should the bar be used to stop the car behind....if the tow person is any good, then the car in front should not have to use its brakes!
Fine in theory, but a none assisted Astra's brakes are hard enough to stop itself let alone the Omega up front, anyway there was a spring/damper in the bar that should have compressed first before the bar bent. ;)
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I don't know about the legalities, but I did this a couple of months ago. I towed a CDX V6 Auto Saloon with my CD V6 Auto estate to the scrapyard. The all up weight of both vehicles was about 3800KG IIRC, which included 2 passengers, the weight of the A frame etc. They then weigh you on the way out and deduct the weights to find out the weight of the scrapped vehicle.
Contact Mutant Cav as it was his frame, although it was damaged and I don't know if he has got it fixed as yet.
HTH .......... Rob
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Bristol to Camberley
That's a fair old distance, and you won't be doing it (legally) on the motorway if you have to use a stiff bar.
AS far as i know... using a rigid tow bar(sprung or not) there is no limit to the distance you can tow motorway or other however it is not recommended due to needeing some one else in the towed car
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Ok, it is legal to tow with a dolly? Does it have to be braked?
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Save yourself the hassle... Find a tame bloke with a truck and get it recovered properly! Probably won't cost an awful lot more either ::) ::)
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Save yourself the hassle... Find a tame bloke with a truck and get it recovered properly! Probably won't cost an awful lot more either ::) ::)
That is what I'd do too! :y