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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Dave Elite on 19 October 2009, 14:40:23
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I was just looking on facebook and a friend of mine said he is now doing engine mapping and to let him know if you were intrested. The conversation went like this.
(Me) 3.0 v6 omega (auto). Do you you do them?
(Friend) surematey no probs do you want, power and economy or just pure power? What year is it?
(Me) Its a 00. Power and economy. how much do you charge? how do you do it?
(Friend) It's £345 and basically I just download your orgional map, send it off to our experts and then they can tune it to do whatever you want!
Sounds very expensive, what do you all make of this?
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I was just looking on facebook and a friend of mine said he is now doing engine mapping and to let him know if you were intrested. The conversation went like this.
(Me) 3.0 v6 omega (auto). Do you you do them?
(Friend) surematey no probs do you want, power and economy or just pure power? What year is it?
(Me) Its a 00. Power and economy. how much do you charge? how do you do it?
(Friend) It's £345 and basically I just download your orgional map, send it off to our experts and then they can tune it to do whatever you want!
Sounds very expensive, what do you all make of this?
Disgracefuly expensive!
An Mtek chip is much less than that and will do the same thing basicaly as they are not re-mapping it at all (as that requires live values and a rolling road!).
Whats more is that the 2.5 and 3.0's are not downloadable, they have a hard programmed EPROM in them! ;D ;D
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Sounds expensive to me. I had my DTi remapped over a year ago, Gav charged me £80.00, though this was trade ;)
I rang around lots of tuning shops & then i remembered my mate has a mate that does diesel tuning & so i went to him.
You should ring around some first matey ;)
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An update on the conversation
(Me) remapping an omega requires live values and a rolling road
and the 2.5 and 3.0's are not downloadable, they have a hard programmed EPROM in them.
(Friend) We have the compatible software and the maps we use have already been tested on a rolling road and saved.
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I left out the bit about him being "Disgracefuly expensive!" LOL ;D I just wanted to see what his reply was ;D
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this sounds like how i know a lot of heavy commericals are mapped or chipped. ive seen it done. downloaded onto a file and emailed to someone in europe who modifies it. then its emailed back. orginal is either put onto a disk or the orginal chip is handed to customer to keep just incase. havent heard of any problems and a lot of the engines have past the 800,000 km mark with no problems. it seems to be the safest way of doin it on commerical/agri engines. people over here have tried to do it but pistons turbos etc never last or they end up harder on fuel!
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Why is he charging £345?
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its about 650 for the lorries and tractors etc. has done quite a few range rovers as well. i think he is a turbochip dealer. but its mostly lorries, scania being the most popular. never had any comebacks and he works at most of the stuff he chips.
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The whole point about a "remap" is that they develop it on your engine on a rolling road, not someone else's.
Frankly, if they are just dropping a chip in, they might as well have copied the data from one of the many performance chips available on ebay for a tenth of the price.
Given that they clearly still don't know the difference between an EPROM and a flash based ECU they don't know what they're doing and are therefore unlikely to be able to support their "work".
As for safety, that depends entirely on what they are doing to the map, which is anyone's guess.
Avoid like the plague, IMHO.
Kevin
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yep, thats what i thought. the mate who does this is a fitter who runs his on buisness specialising in scanias. there isnt that many rolling roads for commericals so you have to take a chance on what your getting. he hasnt had any problems for the last ten years. he offered a farnchise to me, thats why i was so interested in it but then the recession hit so i forgot about it. lorry men have no problem paying it due to the fuel return but its far to dear for cars. he admits that himself.
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The whole point about a "remap" is that they develop it on your engine on a rolling road, not someone else's.
Frankly, if they are just dropping a chip in, they might as well have copied the data from one of the many performance chips available on ebay for a tenth of the price.
Given that they clearly still don't know the difference between an EPROM and a flash based ECU they don't know what they're doing and are therefore unlikely to be able to support their "work".
As for safety, that depends entirely on what they are doing to the map, which is anyone's guess.
Avoid like the plague, IMHO.
Kevin
Good advice thanks :) I havent seen him for 11 years he's an old school freind so I dont really know him any more.
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Replacing a chip is not a re-map (as Kevin has said).
Its nothing more than a performance chip and should not be more than about 150 quid absolute tops!