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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Vamps on 08 November 2009, 20:50:24
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Galant, fwd. swmbo had described a noise like brake pads worn, though recent MOT. Our local independant was too busy during the school holiday, so put the car off the road and she is driving the Mig.... :y :y
Took the car out for a drive today, no noises but noticed the chat chat of the abs coming in, twice when harsh stop from 30, quite a lot when hard stopping from 70. Car coming to a controlled stop in, what I feel, a good distance. I admit the roads were slightly greasy and the car has some cheapo front tyres but never known this before......Any thoughts? have I even got a problem ::) :-/
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Is the ABS lamp illuminating to indicate the system has been tripped when you notice the "chat chat"?
Also, what do you mean by "notice"?
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Is the ABS lamp illuminating to indicate the system has been tripped when you notice the "chat chat"?
Also, what do you mean by "notice"?
Not sure, don't think so.
'Notice' hear it and feel it through the brake pedal
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Anyone, or do I just stick it on ebay and hope for the best, loads of tax and test on it....... ::) ::)
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I think the Rover may have same issue, though its rare and intermittent. Sure I've had ABS intrude at slow speed under gently coming to a stop. Can't seem to replicate it, and now I'm doubting if it was ABS, or just some odd brake shudder :-/
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Galant, fwd. swmbo had described a noise like brake pads worn, though recent MOT. Our local independant was too busy during the school holiday, so put the car off the road and she is driving the Mig.... :y :y
Took the car out for a drive today, no noises but noticed the chat chat of the abs coming in, twice when harsh stop from 30, quite a lot when hard stopping from 70. Car coming to a controlled stop in, what I feel, a good distance. I admit the roads were slightly greasy and the car has some cheapo front tyres but never known this before......Any thoughts? have I even got a problem ::) :-/
Cheap tyres, greasy cold roads, violent stops...ABS will cut in and you will hear the chatter and feel the brake pedal pulse while doing so; simply because you are asking more of the tyres than they can give, they are letting go, ABS notices and kicks in. Early systems are prone to being over-sensitive and kicking in too early.
If no ABS warning lights, would suggest checking tyre pressures not too high first, then tyre tread/quality after.
Sounds normal this time of year with hard braking on nasty tyres.... :y
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Is the ABS lamp illuminating to indicate the system has been tripped when you notice the "chat chat"?
Also, what do you mean by "notice"?
Not sure, don't think so.
'Notice' hear it and feel it through the brake pedal
If the ABS light is not illuminated, then you have NOT activated the ABS.
As TB/Vamps say, I'd be looking at tyres, brakes, suspension, etc if the above applies.
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Is the ABS lamp illuminating to indicate the system has been tripped when you notice the "chat chat"?
Also, what do you mean by "notice"?
Not sure, don't think so.
'Notice' hear it and feel it through the brake pedal
If the ABS light is not illuminated, then you have NOT activated the ABS.
As TB/Vamps say, I'd be looking at tyres, brakes, suspension, etc if the above applies.
Not true-ABS light does not come on when ABS is activated-TC light flashes when TC is activated, same with ESP :y
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Is the ABS lamp illuminating to indicate the system has been tripped when you notice the "chat chat"?
Also, what do you mean by "notice"?
Not sure, don't think so.
'Notice' hear it and feel it through the brake pedal
If the ABS light is not illuminated, then you have NOT activated the ABS.
As TB/Vamps say, I'd be looking at tyres, brakes, suspension, etc if the above applies.
Not true-ABS light does not come on when ABS is activated-TC light flashes when TC is activated, same with ESP :y
I once replaced one tyre with a non matching tyre in the set of 4 and this caused mayhem with TC and ABS as grip levels were different so sensors kept activating the systems.
May help?
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Not true-ABS light does not come on when ABS is activated-TC light flashes when TC is activated, same with ESP :y
Are you saying the MIG doesn't alert the driver if/when the ABS takes over?
If so, I'm going to double check that this week by taking my mates MIG out and intentionally bringing about a situation that would cause lock up on a car not fitted with ABS.
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Not true-ABS light does not come on when ABS is activated-TC light flashes when TC is activated, same with ESP :y
Are you saying the MIG doesn't alert the driver if/when the ABS takes over?
If so, I'm going to double check that this week by taking my mates MIG out and intentionally bringing about a situation that would cause lock up on a car not fitted with ABS.
Not had the Omega long-but he's on about a Galant front wheel drive.
In 87 cars, never had one where ABS light notifies you when it kicks in, but all traction control equipped cars have flashed the TC/MSR whatever daft acronym warning light when activated, same with ESP sytems.
Some ABS cars have driven me nuts with over-sensitive ABS-the Berlingo was one-it kicked in way too easily if only one wheel lost grip and worked on all four wheels, sending you careering onwards if only one wheel lost grip. Crazy!
I noticed it most on a Suzuki Swift 4Grip which is was due to trade in, so replaced a punctured tyre with a cheapo tyre and left the other 3 decent quality tyres on. Every time you braked, the cheapo would lose grip and cut in the ABS as the sensors noted a difference in wheel speeds.
Fairly new to Omega, so not an expert except for the useful info learnt off here-so may be different on Omegas-but never known an ABS car to light the symbol when activated.
It is normal for TCS and ESP to light when activated however.
I think the issue with the Galant is the tyres-wrong pressure, cheap quality, part worn, cold weather, hard braking. Add poor tracking, poor road surface, dodgy brakes, worn suspension into the mix it just gets worse.
If it was mine, I would start with the tyre pressures, then check the tyres over first, modify driving style, then look for a more complex ABS answer after :y
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In 87 cars, never had one where ABS light notifies you when it kicks in,
Any Citroen
Any Ford
Any Pug
Any Fiat
That's four MAKES of car where I know the ABS alerts the driver if it has activated, I'm gonna test a 2000 registered 2.5 CDX Estate this week and let you know if that does the same.
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In 87 cars, never had one where ABS light notifies you when it kicks in,
Any Citroen
Any Ford
Any Pug
Any Fiat
That's four MAKES of car where I know the ABS alerts the driver if it has activated, I'm gonna test a 2000 registered 2.5 CDX Estate this week and let you know if that does the same.
My MKI Carlton, B series Senators x 2 & and my Omega have never put the light on when the ABS kicks :y
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In 87 cars, never had one where ABS light notifies you when it kicks in,
Any Citroen
Any Ford
Any Pug
Any Fiat
That's four MAKES of car where I know the ABS alerts the driver if it has activated, I'm gonna test a 2000 registered 2.5 CDX Estate this week and let you know if that does the same.
Interesting ;)
Had a few Fiats, Citroen, Fords, Fiats-none of mine did it and I used to drive like FURY!
Curious now :-?
I've never had an ABS car flash at me under furious braking when i know its kicked in by pedal pulses-maybe there are some out there and by chance mine did not??
Hmmmm :-?
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In 87 cars, never had one where ABS light notifies you when it kicks in,
Any Citroen
Any Ford
Any Pug
Any Fiat
That's four MAKES of car where I know the ABS alerts the driver if it has activated, I'm gonna test a 2000 registered 2.5 CDX Estate this week and let you know if that does the same.
LOL-perhaps they just light up randomly-especially the Fiat ;D ;D ;D
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My MKI Carlton, B series Senators x 2 & and my Omega have never put the light on when the ABS kicks :y
I'm not saying it's not the case Andy.
The four makes of car I listed above have all alerted me when I tripped the ABS (intentionally or otherwise), what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised the driver isn't warned of what has happened.
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My MKI Carlton, B series Senators x 2 & and my Omega have never put the light on when the ABS kicks :y
I'm not saying it's not the case Andy.
The four makes of car I listed above have all alerted me when I tripped the ABS (intentionally or otherwise), what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised the driver isn't warned of what has happened.
I would have thought a flashing dash icon in a situation where you need ABS to work would be a dangerous distraction :-/
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My MKI Carlton, B series Senators x 2 & and my Omega have never put the light on when the ABS kicks :y
I'm not saying it's not the case Andy.
The four makes of car I listed above have all alerted me when I tripped the ABS (intentionally or otherwise), what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised the driver isn't warned of what has happened.
Don't think my Omega gives an indication when ABS kicks in (it does for TC certainly) , but might have to give it a try now. Normally the dashboard is the last thing that grabs my attention when it goes pear shaped. ;)
Kevin
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My MKI Carlton, B series Senators x 2 & and my Omega have never put the light on when the ABS kicks :y
I'm not saying it's not the case Andy.
The four makes of car I listed above have all alerted me when I tripped the ABS (intentionally or otherwise), what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised the driver isn't warned of what has happened.
VAuxhall obvioulsy thinks the pedal kicking is enough to warn you the ABS is doing it's bit. Some cars have a warning light to tellyou that cruise has been set .... :-? should you not be able to tell without a light? ;) ;) ;)
I'll try SWMBO's Smart over the next few days. It tells you when the traction control has triggered .... apparently! ::) ::) :y :y
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I have tried my Citroen... :-[ TC light comes on when pushed but nothing on ABS that jumps out when hard breaking :-X Mig beating Galant for sale.... :y
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Been pondering this overnight and i do vaguely remember one of my cars having a flashing ABS light under braking and when I consulted the handbook it explained that this was due to the ABS cutting in and to modify my driving style ;D
I put black tape over it-it was distracting at night!!
It appears that some manufacturers think pedal shake is enough and some light the icon, then?
I wish the Omega had a "cruise on" icon though...
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I wish the Omega had a "cruise on" icon though...
Why's that? :-/
If you're still travelling at ??mph and your foot isn't on the throttle ..... you're in cruise ........ or deep in the $h1t! :-? ;) ;) ;)
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I wish the Omega had a "cruise on" icon though...
Why's that? :-/
If you're still travelling at ??mph and your foot isn't on the throttle ..... you're in cruise ........ or deep in the $h1t! :-? ;) ;) ;)
The Omega overruns well and you can forget-plus used to it on coaches :y
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Omega definately doesn't. The Focus we had (51 plate) definiately didn't. None of the Rovers didn't. Bro's beemer doesn't.
In fact, can't think of a car I've ever driven and had ABS activate that has brought ABS light on :-/
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Oh, add Audi to that list of cars that doesn't bring on abs light. Don't tell my mate though ::)
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Omega definately doesn't. The Focus we had (51 plate) definiately didn't. None of the Rovers didn't. Bro's beemer doesn't.
In fact, can't think of a car I've ever driven and had ABS activate that has brought ABS light on :-/
Agreed .. the ONLY time an ABS light should illuminate is if an ABS fault is detected.
Had this on the granny - light flashing in time with ABS action felt even though the road was dry and the speed was slow ... turned out to be a faulty sensor.
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thinking about it, i had a shitbox citroen mpv thing in france about 3yrs back in france. That defo didn't have abs light come on. Being citroen though, it was probably broken ;D
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I thought as much-was pretty sure only came on with a fault...unlike TC and ESP icons.
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thinking about it, i had a shitbox citroen mpv thing in france about 3yrs back in france. That defo didn't have abs light come on. Being citroen though, it was probably broken ;D
If you are talking about the Citroen C4 Grande Picasso 7 seat thingy......I have one of those, fine car...... :P :P :P
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I am sure Ive had abs come on, on a few occasions, and can never recall seeing a light.....
always wondered was it really abs ;D
never really thought any more about it.
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thinking about it, i had a shitbox citroen mpv thing in france about 3yrs back in france. That defo didn't have abs light come on. Being citroen though, it was probably broken ;D
If you are talking about the Citroen C4 Grande Picasso 7 seat thingy......I have one of those, fine car...... :P :P :P
Think this particular shitbox was the 5 seater effort....