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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: tunnie on 19 November 2009, 10:25:47
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Here is the kit i got off eGay, brand new:
Vaporizer
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00335.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00337.JPG)
Valtek Injectors
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00338.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00339.JPG)
Big loom!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00340.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00341.JPG)
More cable
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00343.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00344.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00345.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00346.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00347.JPG)
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Right... Looks like all the wiring and connectors are there but no pipework at all. Oh, and can't see the level gauge and sender unit for the tank :-/ :-/
So, you need fill hose, Vent pipe and fittings, Liquid LPG Polyflex line and fittings (To run from back to front), coolant hose and connectors, vapour hose from Reducer to filter and filter to Injector rail, vapour hose from injector to nozzle (same hose can be used for Vacuum lines too) and all the relevant clips and connectors, and heat shrink :y :y
I'm assuming that the large wiring loom has the injector interrupt leads with plugs instead of stray wires?
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Right... Looks like all the wiring and connectors are there but no pipework at all. Oh, and can't see the level gauge and sender unit for the tank :-/ :-/
So, you need fill hose, Vent pipe and fittings, Liquid LPG Polyflex line and fittings (To run from back to front), coolant hose and connectors, vapour hose from Reducer to filter and filter to Injector rail, vapour hose from injector to nozzle (same hose can be used for Vacuum lines too) and all the relevant clips and connectors, and heat shrink :y :y
I'm assuming that the large wiring loom has the injector interrupt leads with plugs instead of stray wires?
Not too much then! ;D
Will the level gauge and sender unit come with a tank? :-/
Already got some pipe work i used on another LPG project, but not sure if thats going to be too big.
Guess its worth calling Telio to get my all those bits above!
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Just called him, went through to his switch board? Left my details said they would get him to call me.
Tempted to ask him for the tank and pipework / connectors
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Just called him, went through to his switch board? Left my details said they would get him to call me.
Tempted to ask him for the tank and pipework / connectors
That's quite normal. Did they say whether he was out of the country?
I would ask him to quote for it TBH... It's worth a go :y :y
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Just called him, went through to his switch board? Left my details said they would get him to call me.
Tempted to ask him for the tank and pipework / connectors
That's quite normal. Did they say whether he was out of the country?
I would ask him to quote for it TBH... It's worth a go :y :y
I did't ask, but she did not know :(
Do you just order over the phone once he has quoted? :-/
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Just called him, went through to his switch board? Left my details said they would get him to call me.
Tempted to ask him for the tank and pipework / connectors
That's quite normal. Did they say whether he was out of the country?
I would ask him to quote for it TBH... It's worth a go :y :y
I did't ask, but she did not know :(
Do you just order over the phone once he has quoted? :-/
Yep... He'll order over the phone/via email. Just ring up with card details and he'll get it all shipped :y :y
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Just called him, went through to his switch board? Left my details said they would get him to call me.
Tempted to ask him for the tank and pipework / connectors
That's quite normal. Did they say whether he was out of the country?
I would ask him to quote for it TBH... It's worth a go :y :y
I did't ask, but she did not know :(
Do you just order over the phone once he has quoted? :-/
Yep... He'll order over the phone/via email. Just ring up with card details and he'll get it all shipped :y :y
Cheers, might get the tank and stuff from him too, just say i have the basic front end components, but no pipe work....
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Just called him, went through to his switch board? Left my details said they would get him to call me.
Tempted to ask him for the tank and pipework / connectors
That's quite normal. Did they say whether he was out of the country?
I would ask him to quote for it TBH... It's worth a go :y :y
I did't ask, but she did not know :(
Do you just order over the phone once he has quoted? :-/
Yep... He'll order over the phone/via email. Just ring up with card details and he'll get it all shipped :y :y
Cheers, might get the tank and stuff from him too, just say i have the basic front end components, but no pipe work....
He may ask to see the photo's and he'll sort it for you :y :y
He's a good egg... Just very busy!
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FWIW, the tank frame, gauge, vent pipes and fittings, filler and pipe all came with the tank on my install.
So, if that's normal for one of Teilo's backend kits, you will need the kit as above, polyflex pipe and fittings, pipe clips, etc. to run the fuel line to the front and the 2 different sizes of LPG vapour hose (one about 13mm dia and the smaller hose to the nozzles about 5mm dia).
Only other items you'll need are heater hose, elbow fittings, etc. which won't be a problem. Unless there's something I've forgotten. ::)
Kevin
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.. and that ECU is nice and compact. :y
I see there is a new version of the Stag 300 ECU out, as well - and a "UK distributor" http://www.autogassolutions.co.uk/stag-lpg-kit/new-stag-300-plus.
I must say, the 3D map sounds like a good move. I wonder if it's just a firmware update? ::)
Kevin
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I stumbled on that site a week or so ago and I must ring Teilo and ask him about it... The problems he had with certification were because he was the sole (and first) importer of the kit... Now it seems another is doing so too :-/ :-/
I must confess, I'm tempted to see how much the course costs when I get my next one... Could be handy to have someone who can certify installations around :-? :-?
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The are offering conversions as well.. Well, they are ONLY offering conversions as far as I can see. Couple of Omegas in their gallery section. LPGA badge on their web site.
I thought the issue with LPGA approval (if that's what you're talking about?) is that they audit your whole organisation rather then issue a personal qualification, so they want to see a workshop, administrative and accounting procedures, insurance, etc.
Kevin
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The are offering conversions as well.. Well, they are ONLY offering conversions as far as I can see. Couple of Omegas in their gallery section. LPGA badge on their web site.
I thought the issue with LPGA approval (if that's what you're talking about?) is that they audit your whole organisation rather then issue a personal qualification, so they want to see a workshop, administrative and accounting procedures, insurance, etc.
Kevin
That's how I interpreted it too but they say they do training courses (on your own vehicle) and issue a certificate at the end :-/ :-/
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That's how I interpreted it too but they say they do training courses (on your own vehicle) and issue a certificate at the end :-/ :-/
A certificate for your vehicle or a certificate to say you can certify others? :-/
TBH, the LPGA sound like the type of "jobs for the boys" outfit where as long as they get their couple of hundred quid a year for you to be "registered" (not "certified" or necessarily even "competent"!) they will see no evil.
If you charged a sensible rate to certify installs you'd have enough business on OOF to pay for the ticket for a year or two, I'd say.
Kevin
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That's how I interpreted it too but they say they do training courses (on your own vehicle) and issue a certificate at the end :-/ :-/
A certificate for your vehicle or a certificate to say you can certify others? :-/
TBH, the LPGA sound like the type of "jobs for the boys" outfit where as long as they get their couple of hundred quid a year for you to be "registered" (not "certified" or necessarily even "competent"!) they will see no evil.
If you charged a sensible rate to certify installs you'd have enough business on OOF to pay for the ticket for a year or two, I'd say.
Kevin
Just re-read it and it's and Autogas Solutions certificate to say you can install and fault find on the Stag Kit... Nothing to do with the LPGA and probably worthless in the real world as it's just a bit of paper saying what I already know ::) ::)
Oh... And the certifying thing was exactly what I had in mind :y :y :y
Teilo and I have had a few discussions about me becoming a fitting centre up here for him, but I just don't know if I want to get into it or not :-/ :-/
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Just re-read it and it's and Autogas Solutions certificate to say you can install and fault find on the Stag Kit... Nothing to do with the LPGA and probably worthless in the real world as it's just a bit of paper saying what I already know ::) ::)
Well, in reality, ALL bits of paper are worthless. The question is whether they would satisfy an insurance company, as that's their only potential value, IMHO. At least there'll be a paper trail back to the importer of the kit.
.. and I'm sure I've heard of Autogas Solutions before....
Kevin
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Just re-read it and it's and Autogas Solutions certificate to say you can install and fault find on the Stag Kit... Nothing to do with the LPGA and probably worthless in the real world as it's just a bit of paper saying what I already know ::) ::)
Well, in reality, ALL bits of paper are worthless. The question is whether they would satisfy an insurance company, as that's their only potential value, IMHO. At least there'll be a paper trail back to the importer of the kit.
.. and I'm sure I've heard of Autogas Solutions before....
Kevin
Me too.... And the fact it's sticking in my mind makes me wander why. I don't think it was a complimentary review for some reason :-X :-X
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I was thinking that too. :-X
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.. and that ECU is nice and compact. :y
I see there is a new version of the Stag 300 ECU out, as well - and a "UK distributor" http://www.autogassolutions.co.uk/stag-lpg-kit/new-stag-300-plus.
I must say, the 3D map sounds like a good move. I wonder if it's just a firmware update? ::)
Kevin
Thought it was smaller than the V6 one, added to that the I4 engine, i have plenty of room! 8-)
Thinking under the airbox for the ECU, as its sheltered there from most conditions, don't like the idea of it in the scuttle.
Only part i am thinking of now is the Vaporiser, and where that goes. I was thinking under the coolant bottle on the drivers wing, looks like there is plenty of space, it does not get in the way of cambelt changes or anything else really:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00348.JPG)
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/stagkit/DSC00349.JPG)
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Inside driver's wing is the usual vapouriser location. Do you have an aux. coolant pump (cold weather pack) there or is it clear? I ditched the coolant pump.
You can bring the LPG line in through and existing grommeted hole down there.
When mounting the ECU, connector should face downwards to prevent water ingress.
I fitted mine up where the self-levelling pump would be.
Kevin
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Inside driver's wing is the usual vapouriser location. Do you have an aux. coolant pump (cold weather pack) there or is it clear? I ditched the coolant pump.
You can bring the LPG line in through and existing grommeted hole down there.
When mounting the ECU, connector should face downwards to prevent water ingress.
I fitted mine up where the self-levelling pump would be.
Kevin
Nope, but i do have driver involvement pack ;D
Space should be fine there, good point on the connector, never thought to face it downwards
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Just had a call from Telio, top bloke, had a good chat about the install.
Turns out the £175 ones on eBay was him! Bugger it, screwed me self of £40 there, ahh well.
He knew exactly the kit i bought, so i just said i need everything that does not come with that, connectors, pipework, and tank.
Bargin price on the fuel tank, £150 :o
He's going to get it all sorted tomorrow for me :)
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That is, indeed, a good price. What size tank is that? Dealing with him makes sense. If there's anything else you need you can be sure he'll lob it straight in the post.
Kevin
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That is, indeed, a good price. What size tank is that? Dealing with him makes sense. If there's anything else you need you can be sure he'll lob it straight in the post.
Kevin
80L standard tank, with 1 valve, he said as long as your not over 200 bhp no sense in the 4 hole, plus most pumps can't dish out the LPG fast enough to take full effect.
He also mentioned my vaporizer, he said they were a bit weak on power (160bhp) but very reliable :)
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Fair comment. There is one pump where my car fills up incredibly quick (65 litres in easily less time it takes for 65 litres of petrol). The cheapest one is sh1t slow, though. Takes about 10 minutes to fill up. End up with a numb arm from holding the button down. ::)
Kevin
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He is a top bloke... Well worth being patient for and I'd guess, judging by that price, he's still going to be giving us a good deal :y :y :y
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He is a top bloke... Well worth being patient for and I'd guess, judging by that price, he's still going to be giving us a good deal :y :y :y
I am in no mega hurry, my contract ends 16th Dec which is when i will go perm, but its possible they will extend it instead. Like to be running on gas by the end of the year 8-)