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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: MAC RS on 27 November 2009, 16:22:46
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Hi just wondering what sort of power can be achieved from the 3.2 lump?
Is it a case of very little unless you have a supercharger??
What sort of power are you guys running?
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Mine's Turbo'd & it runs at around 140[size=11]bhp[/size] :D
I think we do have some member's on here with some tuned cars, but i'm not sure who :-/
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3.2 is not easily chipped due to the flash ECU (will only give marginal improvement anyway).
Induction kits generally only increase noise. Being a natasp petrol engine you are only going to get marginal improvements whatever you do - unless you do serious engine work and / or go forced induction.
The V6 has cooling issues over about 250 BHP anyway, leading to more surgery required to improve flow.
Kevin
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I think the 2.5 got more attention as a race engine in German touring cars.
http://www.ricwood.com/dtm_v6_25.html
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Mine's Turbo'd & it runs at around 140[size=11]bhp[/size] :D
The 3.2 makes over 200 BHP in standard trim, so if your's is turbo'd up and only making 140..........I have a bridge for sale you may be interested in ;)
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Mine's Turbo'd & it runs at around 140[size=11]bhp[/size] :D
The 3.2 makes over 200 BHP in standard trim, so if your's is turbo'd up and only making 140..........I have a bridge for sale you may be interested in ;)
You haven't read CD-Pete's profile then!! He doesn't have a 3.2 V6 ;)
My turbo car has even less! ::) ::)
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Mine's Turbo'd & it runs at around 140[size=11]bhp[/size] :D
The 3.2 makes over 200 BHP in standard trim, so if your's is turbo'd up and only making 140..........I have a bridge for sale you may be interested in ;)
You haven't read CD-Pete's profile then!! He doesn't have a 3.2 V6 ;)
My turbo car has even less! ::) ::)
Arh Andy >:( You've gone & spoilt it now ;D
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Arh Andy >:( You've gone & spoilt it now ;D
Ooops! :-[
And Killer is normally on the ball too! ;D ;D ;D
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Arh Andy >:( You've gone & spoilt it now ;D
Ooops! :-[
And Killer is normally on the ball too! ;D ;D ;D
I'll admit I didn't read Pete's profile, but let's be realistic here.
Pete's avatar specs state a DTi, and given that I know for fact a 35 year old Kawasaki Z9 can make 147 at the back wheel....it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a DTi lump to come back with slightly more (especially as the car it is fitted to weighs almost 8 times what the Z weighs ;) ).
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Arh Andy >:( You've gone & spoilt it now ;D
Ooops! :-[
And Killer is normally on the ball too! ;D ;D ;D
I'll admit I didn't read Pete's profile, but let's be realistic here.
Pete's avatar specs state a DTi, and given that I know for fact a 35 year old Kawasaki Z9 can make 147 at the back wheel....it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a DTi lump to come back with slightly more (especially as the car it is fitted to weighs almost 8 times what the Z weighs ;) ).
Whe you reach the bottom of the hole
.... stop digging! ::)
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Arh Andy >:( You've gone & spoilt it now ;D
Ooops! :-[
And Killer is normally on the ball too! ;D ;D ;D
I think he is playing
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Whe you reach the bottom of the hole
.... stop digging! ::)
What hole would that be then Andy?
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Just checked the specs, seems Pete is at least 20 BHP out...and not in his favour either ;D
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I think the 2.5 got more attention as a race engine in German touring cars.
http://www.ricwood.com/dtm_v6_25.html
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How the fook did they get it to rev to 12,000 RPM and put out 500 BHP :o
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How the fook did they get it to rev to 12,000 RPM and put out 500 BHP :o
That's not even double what they rev to from the factory, but to answer your question......a moderate bank balance and an engineering shop that knows what they are doing ;)
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Whe you reach the bottom of the hole
.... stop digging! ::)
What hole would that be then Andy?
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Just checked the specs, seems Pete is at least 20 BHP out...and not in his favour either ;D
Well i don't know what specs you have KW, but it ain't for the 2.2DTi
Actually 20 more than standard ;) The DTi's not renowned for it's power output.
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Whe you reach the bottom of the hole
.... stop digging! ::)
What hole would that be then Andy?
PS
Just checked the specs, seems Pete is at least 20 BHP out...and not in his favour either ;D
Well i don't know what specs you have KW, but it ain't for the 2.2DTi
Actually 20 more than standard ;) The DTi's not renowned for it's power output.
He has special specs, no doubt he will mention his 2,000 bhp bike in his reply ::) ;D
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Whe you reach the bottom of the hole
.... stop digging! ::)
What hole would that be then Andy?
PS
Just checked the specs, seems Pete is at least 20 BHP out...and not in his favour either ;D
Well i don't know what specs you have KW, but it ain't for the 2.2DTi
Actually 20 more than standard ;) The DTi's not renowned for it's power output.
He has special specs, no doubt he will mention his 2,000 bhp bike in his reply ::) ;D
He must have. He's saying the DTi puts out 160 :o
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Whe you reach the bottom of the hole
.... stop digging! ::)
What hole would that be then Andy?
PS
Just checked the specs, seems Pete is at least 20 BHP out...and not in his favour either ;D
Well i don't know what specs you have KW, but it ain't for the 2.2DTi
Actually 20 more than standard ;) The DTi's not renowned for it's power output.
He has special specs, no doubt he will mention his 2,000 bhp bike in his reply ::) ;D
He must have. He's saying the DTi puts out 160 :o
Its all about torque with the 2.2 DTi, bhp means nothing really.
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Whe you reach the bottom of the hole
.... stop digging! ::)
What hole would that be then Andy?
PS
Just checked the specs, seems Pete is at least 20 BHP out...and not in his favour either ;D
Well i don't know what specs you have KW, but it ain't for the 2.2DTi
Actually 20 more than standard ;) The DTi's not renowned for it's power output.
He has special specs, no doubt he will mention his 2,000 bhp bike in his reply ::) ;D
He must have. He's saying the DTi puts out 160 :o
Its all about torque with the 2.2 DTi, bhp means nothing really.
You sound quite convincing there mr T ;D
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Its all about torque with the 2.2 DTi, bhp means nothing really.
Power to weight ratio has a fair old say as well ;)
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Its all about torque with the 2.2 DTi, bhp means nothing really.
Power to weight ratio has a fair old say as well ;)
So do wheels size, aerodynamics, fuel, tyre pressures, final drive ratios..... the list goes on.
We were talking about power from engines here. :)
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Whe you reach the bottom of the hole
.... stop digging! ::)
What hole would that be then Andy?
PS
Just checked the specs, seems Pete is at least 20 BHP out...and not in his favour either ;D
Well i don't know what specs you have KW, but it ain't for the 2.2DTi
Actually 20 more than standard ;) The DTi's not renowned for it's power output.
He has special specs, no doubt he will mention his 2,000 bhp bike in his reply ::) ;D
He must have. He's saying the DTi puts out 160 :o
Its all about torque with the 2.2 DTi, bhp means nothing really.
You sound quite convincing there mr T ;D
I have had a few alcoholic beverages ::)
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We were talking about power from engines here. :)
Are you saying the claimed power figures from the manufacturers are taken from the flywheel rather than the driven wheels? :o :o
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We were talking about power from engines here. :)
Are you saying the claimed power figures from the manufacturers are taken from the flywheel rather than the driven wheels? :o :o
I have had too much booze to argue, whatever jimbob :-*
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http://www.ricwood.com/dtm_v6_25.html
That's been quite extensively developed, if it's even based on the same engine. No cam belt, for a start. Not a surprise as a setup like the standard one with great long flappy runs of spring-tensioned rubber belt would make a bit of a mess at 12K RPM IMHO. That lump has certainly had some cash thrown at it. Web site confused me a bit because you click on the GM engine and it morphs into a Ferrari V12. I'm off to the garage to try it on my Y32SE. ;D
Its all about torque with the 2.2 DTi, bhp means nothing really.
Other way round. BHP is what it's all about. Different torque delivery will make an engine feel fast (or slow) but BHP (or power to weight as KW rightly points out) and having a gearbox that suits the torque delivery is what matters in turning out performance.
Put another way: A 2.2DTi has 280Nm of torque. So does a 3.2 V6 (near as makes no odds). Do we need a drag race?
Kevin
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What bhp and torque figures can I expect to get from a Police spec 3.2 Mv6 ?
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What bhp and torque figures can I expect to get from a Police spec 3.2 Mv6 ?
Exactly the same as every other 3.2 V6. Police spec Omegas had no more power than retail, they had a bigger alternator to run all their toys, and a different diff ratio which aided 0-60 at the expense of top end speed. Also they had some heavy duty shocks
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Its all about torque with the 2.2 DTi, bhp means nothing really.
Other way round. BHP is what it's all about. Different torque delivery will make an engine feel fast (or slow) but BHP (or power to weight as KW rightly points out) and having a gearbox that suits the torque delivery is what matters in turning out performance.
Put another way: A 2.2DTi has 280Nm of torque. So does a 3.2 V6 (near as makes no odds). Do we need a drag race?
Kevin
But with the diesels, some engines have more bhp than others, but less torque, and are slower, more so into the 40-80 zone :-/ Which is why i thought it was always imporant to see what kind of torque the engine made rather than bhp :-/
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Its all about torque with the 2.2 DTi, bhp means nothing really.
Other way round. BHP is what it's all about. Different torque delivery will make an engine feel fast (or slow) but BHP (or power to weight as KW rightly points out) and having a gearbox that suits the torque delivery is what matters in turning out performance.
Put another way: A 2.2DTi has 280Nm of torque. So does a 3.2 V6 (near as makes no odds). Do we need a drag race?
Kevin
But with the diesels, some engines have more bhp than others, but less torque, and are slower, more so into the 40-80 zone :-/ Which is why i thought it was always imporant to see what kind of torque the engine made rather than bhp :-/
Its about getting a good match between the power source and the vehicle. Big heavy vehicles (like Omegas) are easier to drive with an engine that has lots of torque.
A lighter vehicle might be a lot better suited by a higher revving (but lower torque) engine.
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Hi just wondering what sort of power can be achieved from the 3.2 lump?
Is it a case of very little unless you have a supercharger??
What sort of power are you guys running?
Isn't the holy grail of the NA petrol Engine a ton per litre?
Ric Wood seems to suggest that a 2.5 can be tuned to 500 so more than the standard would be possible from a 3.2 lump in theory. I dont know how tunable the 3.2 is.