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Title: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: sexydaz on 26 November 2009, 20:17:20
howdy what do you boys out there get to the gallon from your 2.2 autos,at the mo according to computer im only gettin sort of 19/21 which i yhink is a tad low but i am gonna service it shortly
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: davethediver on 26 November 2009, 20:27:26
Motorway cruising about 34-35mpg
Roundtown 20-28 depending what mood im in ;)

19-20 average does seem a bit low give her a good service  and turn sport button off  ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: sexydaz on 26 November 2009, 20:31:37
 ive tried drivin it like an old lady goin to church on sunday but no difference
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 26 November 2009, 20:59:03
I gave my 2.5 auto estate a 300 mile "spirited" drive yesteday -  mainly with a/c on and got 28  :y
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: davethediver on 26 November 2009, 21:02:02
how many miles on the clock and whats the service history like?

Round town they can be a bit thirsty a two ton car being run by a four pot :(

But you should get decent returns on the motorway which thankfully most of mine is, does it have cruise control installed?
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: PhilRich on 26 November 2009, 21:04:44
If you have a lot of stop start short journeys, waiting at lights etc with the aircon on or even just the blowers on eco, you will find 19/20 is the norm. :(
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: MickAP on 26 November 2009, 21:16:53
Yep I'm finding that I am getting low 20's with my 2.2.
Only had it just 3 weeks, doing very short stop/start journeys. Longer journeys I have had 36mpg.
Had a 1.4 Astra before, that only returned 30mpg on short journeys, rather have the comfort of the Omega.

Mick
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Radar on 26 November 2009, 21:39:45
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howdy what do you boys out there get to the gallon from your 2.2 autos,at the mo according to computer im only gettin sort of 19/21 which i yhink is a tad low but i am gonna service it shortly
i get about the same as you. On a motorway run it gets into low 30's
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: cruisetopoland on 26 November 2009, 21:58:54
I've gone through the mill trying to improve the economy on my 2000 2.2 auto and have done huge works (list of 6 sides of A4  :o :-? :'(), including major service including flush/treatment/short changes, replacement cat and full exhaust, 10 new manifold studs and gasket, ATF change, coolant flush and fill, ECU/box software update, tyre pressures/tracking, brake strip and adjust etc and now believe the car is running at optimum performance for a car that is 9 years old with 100,000 miles.

I run with the climate on ECO and use cruise every possible second and now get 34-35mpg on a run, 26mpg around town unless cold.  Monthly average on mixed hot/cold, town and country 27-29mpg.

My economy had badly dropped off, which coincided with a start up rattle which was dealt with by lifter treatment and replacing the manifold gasket and all the studs-3 were broken and the leak affected economy by 6-7mpg.

I am having a love/hate relationship with the Omega-fix one thing, add two to the list.  After 85+ jobs, still got squeaking pad, warped new disc, underbody minor rattle and minor speedo area rattle to go-but working on the assumption each one of these will breed 2 more jobs each  :(

Thanks to welung666 for all the help and support  :y
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Welung666 on 26 November 2009, 22:03:45
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I've gone through the mill trying to improve the economy on my 2000 2.2 auto and have done huge works (list of 6 sides of A4  :o :-? :'(), including major service including flush/treatment/short changes, replacement cat and full exhaust, 10 new manifold studs and gasket, ATF change, coolant flush and fill, ECU/box software update, tyre pressures/tracking, brake strip and adjust etc and now believe the car is running at optimum performance for a car that is 9 years old with 100,000 miles.

I run with the climate on ECO and use cruise every possible second and now get 34-35mpg on a run, 26mpg around town unless cold.  Monthly average on mixed hot/cold, town and country 27-29mpg.

My economy had badly dropped off, which coincided with a start up rattle which was dealt with by lifter treatment and replacing the manifold gasket and all the studs-3 were broken and the leak affected economy by 6-7mpg.

I am having a love/hate relationship with the Omega-fix one thing, add two to the list.  After 85+ jobs, still got squeaking pad, warped new disc, underbody minor rattle and minor speedo area rattle to go-but working on the assumption each one of these will breed 2 more jobs each  :(

Thanks to welung666 for all the help and support  :y

No problem G ;) What we fixing this weekend? ;D ;D
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Radar on 26 November 2009, 22:07:00
That's alot of work but very interesting to know the max. you can get out of the 2.2, espescially the improvement once the manifold studs were fixed. Did it take you long to change all 10? I am looking to have this done and would be interested to know youre experinence.
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Welung666 on 26 November 2009, 22:10:18
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That's alot of work but very interesting to know the max. you can get out of the 2.2, espescially the improvement once the manifold studs were fixed. Did it take you long to change all 10? I am looking to have this done and would be interested to know youre experinence.

Depends how many are broken, getting whole studs out isn't too bad it's the drilling in situ that's awkward. It's easier with the head off but possible to drill a pilot hole with a 90° drill and use a stud extractor to remove those. Lots of plusgas and the patience of a saint are also needed! ;) :y
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: cruisetopoland on 26 November 2009, 22:15:36
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That's alot of work but very interesting to know the max. you can get out of the 2.2, espescially the improvement once the manifold studs were fixed. Did it take you long to change all 10? I am looking to have this done and would be interested to know youre experinence.

I got the studs done today (10 bought from VX for £8 all in) and was heartbroken that the quote was £30-60 but I was charged £164 as it took 5 hours to remove three inset broken studs and re-thread two holes, plus sort two broken heatshield studs.  Heartbroken.

welung666 had very kindly offered to do this for me, but he has helped me over the last three weekends, I need to look after my son while my wife works at weekends and the garage was opposite my office....

Anyway, on the bright side, the car is silent on start up and tickover, smooth, quick and gives better economy now.
It's a hell of an improvement, but a hell of an invoice.

Still reeling.  Bloody car will bankrupt me.
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: cruisetopoland on 26 November 2009, 22:18:27
PS apparenly the garage mig-welded onto the studs to get them out.  It was done well and the difference is apparent, but £164?

STILL reeling  >:(
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Welung666 on 26 November 2009, 22:19:27
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That's alot of work but very interesting to know the max. you can get out of the 2.2, espescially the improvement once the manifold studs were fixed. Did it take you long to change all 10? I am looking to have this done and would be interested to know youre experinence.

I got the studs done today (10 bought from VX for £8 all in) and was heartbroken that the quote was £30-60 but I was charged £164 as it took 5 hours to remove three inset broken studs and re-thread two holes, plus sort two broken heatshield studs.  Heartbroken.

welung666 had very kindly offered to do this for me, but he has helped me over the last three weekends, I need to look after my son while my wife works at weekends and the garage was opposite my office....

Anyway, on the bright side, the car is silent on start up and tickover, smooth, quick and gives better economy now.
It's a hell of an improvement, but a hell of an invoice.

Still reeling.  Bloody car will bankrupt me.

Your car is a bit like Trigger's broom ;D ;D
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Radar on 26 November 2009, 22:19:29
I have at least 2 studs snapped and was hoping Darth Loo Knee would look at it at the camberley meet, but unfortunately it was cancelled. It's not something i could do myself but i wanted to get a rough time so i know how much to expect to be charged if i went to a local garage
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: cruisetopoland on 26 November 2009, 22:20:21
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I've gone through the mill trying to improve the economy on my 2000 2.2 auto and have done huge works (list of 6 sides of A4  :o :-? :'(), including major service including flush/treatment/short changes, replacement cat and full exhaust, 10 new manifold studs and gasket, ATF change, coolant flush and fill, ECU/box software update, tyre pressures/tracking, brake strip and adjust etc and now believe the car is running at optimum performance for a car that is 9 years old with 100,000 miles.

I run with the climate on ECO and use cruise every possible second and now get 34-35mpg on a run, 26mpg around town unless cold.  Monthly average on mixed hot/cold, town and country 27-29mpg.

My economy had badly dropped off, which coincided with a start up rattle which was dealt with by lifter treatment and replacing the manifold gasket and all the studs-3 were broken and the leak affected economy by 6-7mpg.

I am having a love/hate relationship with the Omega-fix one thing, add two to the list.  After 85+ jobs, still got squeaking pad, warped new disc, underbody minor rattle and minor speedo area rattle to go-but working on the assumption each one of these will breed 2 more jobs each  :(

Thanks to welung666 for all the help and support  :y

No problem G ;) What we fixing this weekend? ;D ;D

At this precise moment, a bonfire to sit it in  ;D
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: cruisetopoland on 26 November 2009, 22:23:21
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That's alot of work but very interesting to know the max. you can get out of the 2.2, espescially the improvement once the manifold studs were fixed. Did it take you long to change all 10? I am looking to have this done and would be interested to know youre experinence.

I got the studs done today (10 bought from VX for £8 all in) and was heartbroken that the quote was £30-60 but I was charged £164 as it took 5 hours to remove three inset broken studs and re-thread two holes, plus sort two broken heatshield studs.  Heartbroken.

welung666 had very kindly offered to do this for me, but he has helped me over the last three weekends, I need to look after my son while my wife works at weekends and the garage was opposite my office....

Anyway, on the bright side, the car is silent on start up and tickover, smooth, quick and gives better economy now.
It's a hell of an improvement, but a hell of an invoice.

Still reeling.  Bloody car will bankrupt me.

Your car is a bit like Trigger's broom ;D ;D

That's unnervingly close to reality.  I think the glass is still the original, though  :-/
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Welung666 on 26 November 2009, 22:23:54
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I have at least 2 studs snapped and was hoping Darth Loo Knee would look at it at the camberley meet, but unfortunately it was cancelled. It's not something i could do myself but i wanted to get a rough time so i know how much to expect to be charged if i went to a local garage

Shame you can't get up here, I'd do them for you ;)
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Welung666 on 26 November 2009, 22:26:31
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That's alot of work but very interesting to know the max. you can get out of the 2.2, espescially the improvement once the manifold studs were fixed. Did it take you long to change all 10? I am looking to have this done and would be interested to know youre experinence.

I got the studs done today (10 bought from VX for £8 all in) and was heartbroken that the quote was £30-60 but I was charged £164 as it took 5 hours to remove three inset broken studs and re-thread two holes, plus sort two broken heatshield studs.  Heartbroken.

welung666 had very kindly offered to do this for me, but he has helped me over the last three weekends, I need to look after my son while my wife works at weekends and the garage was opposite my office....

Anyway, on the bright side, the car is silent on start up and tickover, smooth, quick and gives better economy now.
It's a hell of an improvement, but a hell of an invoice.

Still reeling.  Bloody car will bankrupt me.

Your car is a bit like Trigger's broom ;D ;D

That's unnervingly close to reality.  I think the glass is still the original, though  :-/

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

It is a stunning motor though, a good wash and I'd be green with envy!!!
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: cruisetopoland on 26 November 2009, 22:31:49
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That's alot of work but very interesting to know the max. you can get out of the 2.2, espescially the improvement once the manifold studs were fixed. Did it take you long to change all 10? I am looking to have this done and would be interested to know youre experinence.

I got the studs done today (10 bought from VX for £8 all in) and was heartbroken that the quote was £30-60 but I was charged £164 as it took 5 hours to remove three inset broken studs and re-thread two holes, plus sort two broken heatshield studs.  Heartbroken.

welung666 had very kindly offered to do this for me, but he has helped me over the last three weekends, I need to look after my son while my wife works at weekends and the garage was opposite my office....

Anyway, on the bright side, the car is silent on start up and tickover, smooth, quick and gives better economy now.
It's a hell of an improvement, but a hell of an invoice.

Still reeling.  Bloody car will bankrupt me.

Your car is a bit like Trigger's broom ;D ;D

That's unnervingly close to reality.  I think the glass is still the original, though  :-/

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

It is a stunning motor though, a good wash and I'd be green with envy!!!

Was lovingly hand washed and leathered yesterday-looks new, sounds new-but the nut behind the steering wheel is nearing breakdown and needs further work  :)
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Radar on 26 November 2009, 22:32:49
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I have at least 2 studs snapped and was hoping Darth Loo Knee would look at it at the camberley meet, but unfortunately it was cancelled. It's not something i could do myself but i wanted to get a rough time so i know how much to expect to be charged if i went to a local garage

Shame you can't get up here, I'd do them for you ;)
PM being sent
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Welung666 on 26 November 2009, 22:34:03
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That's alot of work but very interesting to know the max. you can get out of the 2.2, espescially the improvement once the manifold studs were fixed. Did it take you long to change all 10? I am looking to have this done and would be interested to know youre experinence.

I got the studs done today (10 bought from VX for £8 all in) and was heartbroken that the quote was £30-60 but I was charged £164 as it took 5 hours to remove three inset broken studs and re-thread two holes, plus sort two broken heatshield studs.  Heartbroken.

welung666 had very kindly offered to do this for me, but he has helped me over the last three weekends, I need to look after my son while my wife works at weekends and the garage was opposite my office....

Anyway, on the bright side, the car is silent on start up and tickover, smooth, quick and gives better economy now.
It's a hell of an improvement, but a hell of an invoice.

Still reeling.  Bloody car will bankrupt me.

Your car is a bit like Trigger's broom ;D ;D

That's unnervingly close to reality.  I think the glass is still the original, though  :-/

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

It is a stunning motor though, a good wash and I'd be green with envy!!!

Was lovingly hand washed and leathered yesterday-looks new, sounds new-but the nut behind the steering wheel is nearing breakdown and needs further work  :)

I'm saying nothing to that ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: webby23 on 29 November 2009, 09:31:12
£164 for 5 hrs labour isnt the most expensive I have heard of mate to be honest......

Glad its getting sorted bit by bit though mate

 :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: cruisetopoland on 29 November 2009, 11:33:37
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£164 for 5 hrs labour isnt the most expensive I have heard of mate to be honest......

Glad its getting sorted bit by bit though mate

 :y :y :y :y

Yeah, Martyn-what got me was the £30-60 "we've got the proper tools to make it straightforward" etc etc and then the surprise of £164 without any warning  :o :o

In hindsight, it has made the car much better and given me more confidence in it.  Few jobs left now to finish...... :-?
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Ken T on 29 November 2009, 15:56:44
They should really have told you it was going to cost more, saying 30-60 is almost a verbal contract. OK, its easy to be wise after the event, but .......


Ken
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: cruisetopoland on 29 November 2009, 19:10:36
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They should really have told you it was going to cost more, saying 30-60 is almost a verbal contract. OK, its easy to be wise after the event, but .......


Ken

My thoughts entirely.... :'(
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: Welung666 on 29 November 2009, 19:12:25
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£164 for 5 hrs labour isnt the most expensive I have heard of mate to be honest......

Glad its getting sorted bit by bit though mate

 :y :y :y :y

Yeah, Martyn-what got me was the £30-60 "we've got the proper tools to make it straightforward" etc etc and then the surprise of £164 without any warning  :o :o

In hindsight, it has made the car much better and given me more confidence in it.  Few jobs left now to finish...... :-?

So what's next then G?
Title: Re: MPG 2.2 AUTO
Post by: cruisetopoland on 29 November 2009, 22:37:49
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£164 for 5 hrs labour isnt the most expensive I have heard of mate to be honest......

Glad its getting sorted bit by bit though mate

 :y :y :y :y

Yeah, Martyn-what got me was the £30-60 "we've got the proper tools to make it straightforward" etc etc and then the surprise of £164 without any warning  :o :o

In hindsight, it has made the car much better and given me more confidence in it.  Few jobs left now to finish...... :-?

So what's next then G?

Most would just leave it alone now as it is in startling order for a 9 year old/100k Omega, but I have just got to get it RIGHT....so left to do:

Very slight, occasional brake judder NSF (new non-VX) disc
Occasional brake sqeal NSF disc/pad as above
Has been 4 wheel tracked, balanced, tyres moved around, pressures etc done but still tramlines very slightly and pulls slowly left if steering let go on flat non-camber surface-assume radial pull on cheap Federal tyres-if so leaving as is
Minor rattle from rear end on patchy roads-need to remove baby seat/tools etc first as may be the cause
Minor rattle around base of speedo
Drivers window frame squeaks when opened
Adjusted all door catches, but wind noise increased-needs tuning
Tow bar needs cleaning underneath and touching in
May go back to VX re: software updates-bogs down occasionally as now not changing down like before

This is all being pedantic as car looks and drives as new, but these final tweaks will return it to "as new" mechanical order.

My last 6 cars were brand new-this has been a re-education..... :y