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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: cam2502 on 28 November 2009, 11:48:45
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Hi guys, im negotiating to buy a car from a guy, it has mot until march and iv asked him if he will put a years mot on car before i buy it.
he says that mot renewal can only be done if there is under 1 month remaining of current mot so he couldnt mot it. is this true? i thought you could mot a car whenever you wanted?
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i thought you could mot a car whenever you wanted?
You can.
If you get a new MOT less than a month before the old one expires your new MOT is for 12 months from the date on the old MOT which is a bonus.
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Hi guys, im negotiating to buy a car from a guy, it has mot until march and iv asked him if he will put a years mot on car before i buy it.
he says that mot renewal can only be done if there is under 1 month remaining of current mot so he couldnt mot it. is this true? i thought you could mot a car whenever you wanted?
Total cr*p. You can MOT a vehicle whenever but it will only be valid from date of test with the only exception being if you MOT it within the last month of expiry of original you get up to 13 months as opposed to 12
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so im correct in saying he can get it mot'd,just means that the mot will start now? he says he cant do it because it runs out in march....starting to think he may be hiding something he knows will fail the mot....my walking boots are going on!!
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you can MOT a car whenever you want, but if it fails your old MOT is then voided and you have no MOT.
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It's very common to get a fresh MOT when selling a car just so's there's 12 months on it. Kinda tells a story AND buys you time to fix stuff that they
ignored missed.
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just been on the phone with him, he insists it cant be mot'd before the old one runs out!! i even offered to pay the mot as long as the car passed, he still said no..... so i basically said that i thought he had something to hide and the deal was off. cant believe some people >:(
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just been on the phone with him, he insists it cant be mot'd before the old one runs out!! i even offered to pay the mot as long as the car passed, he still said no..... so i basically said that i thought he had something to hide and the deal was off. cant believe some people >:(
You've done the right thing :y There's plenty more to view ;)
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just been on the phone with him, he insists it cant be mot'd before the old one runs out!! i even offered to pay the mot as long as the car passed, he still said no..... so i basically said that i thought he had something to hide and the deal was off. cant believe some people >:(
Good decision!! :y :y :y
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you can MOT a car whenever you want, but if it fails your old MOT is then voided and you have no MOT.
This is not true. The original MOT certificate remains valid until its' expiry date.
Kevin
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you can MOT a car whenever you want, but if it fails your old MOT is then voided and you have no MOT.
not true, unless the fail is because the car is deemed dangerous. even then, it will require the issue of a prohibition notice by VOSA or the Police so as to prevent its use on the road meantime....
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Yeah, good decision, you could have asked him if no new MOT then an independant profesional examination, I think the AA do these amongs others.
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Yeah, good decision, you could have asked him if no new MOT then an independant profesional examination, I think the AA do these amongs others.
Just my opinion but I wouldn't trust an AA report due to one I had done on a car I was selling about 5 years ago.
Couple saw my Passat on Auto Trader but lived the other side of Oxford (I lived in Hemel at the time). They had looked at loads and didn't find the one they wanted so rather than come ALL the way over (at least an hours drive, wowee) they asked if I would mind having an AA inspection. Not a problem and they ended up buying the car (They didn't see it till I delivered it).
Problem was, the AA turned up when it was pouring down with rain. He spent more time in his van than looking at my car. He never noticed the accident damage which had been repaired to the O/S/F, he never noticed the slightly grumbling wheel bearing (which I did before they got it) and I was just thoroughly unimpressed with what I saw.
Put me off them for life!!
Like I said, just my opinion!!!!!
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I understand what you mean there Squealey, once bitten twice shy, as the saying goes.
I feel the same about the RSPCA. here's why. When I was eight years old I spent an age trying to catch a blackbird with a broken wing, when I finaly caught it I took it to the RSPCA, they told me it was a wild animal and there was no point in looking after it as it would never fly again so they destroyed it.
When I was 15 I got a fox cub from some guys, the parents had both been killed, I took it to the RSPCA to ask how best to feed it etc, they took it of me saying it was a wild animal, had mange, and they destroyed it.
In my twenties a dog was hit by a car in the road across from my house and the driver drove on. A number of people, gathered round it, and a woman covered it with a blanket, until "help" arrived in the form of an RSPCA inspector, He stuck it with a needle about 6" long in it's chest, and literally threw it in the back of his van without hardly a word to anyone there.
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you can MOT a car whenever you want, but if it fails your old MOT is then voided and you have no MOT.
not true, unless the fail is because the car is deemed dangerous. even then, it will require the issue of a prohibition notice by VOSA or the Police so as to prevent its use on the road meantime....
True any new MOT nulls and voids the previous MOT even issued with a pass or fail.Even if you have 11 months remaining on the previous MOT.
You can have a MOT carried out every day a year if you want,there is nothing stopping you doing that but i would recommend seeing a doctor for mental health issues . [smiley=cheesy.gif] [smiley=cheesy.gif] [smiley=cheesy.gif]
I would walk away as he might be coving himself for a fault he knows about but you wont find till next year.
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you can MOT a car whenever you want, but if it fails your old MOT is then voided and you have no MOT.
not true, unless the fail is because the car is deemed dangerous. even then, it will require the issue of a prohibition notice by VOSA or the Police so as to prevent its use on the road meantime....
True any new MOT nulls and voids the previous MOT even issued with a pass or fail. .......
Oh no it doesn't!!! ;) Your old MOT is still valid. A dangerous vehicle is a dangerous vehicle with or without a new ticket! :y
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The MOT test only verifies that the vehicle was roadworthy at the time of the test, so if you have another test before it expires, it wouldn't have any bearing on the validity of the previous test.
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The MOT test only verifies that the vehicle was roadworthy at the time of the test, so if you have another test before it expires, it wouldn't have any bearing on the validity of the previous test.
It doesn't make the previous ticket null & void from a legal stance though ... ;)
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Yes, that's what I mean, I agree, it wouldn't affect the previous test.
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The MOT test only verifies that the vehicle was roadworthy at the time of the test, so if you have another test before it expires, it wouldn't have any bearing on the validity of the previous test.
It doesn't make the previous ticket null & void from a legal stance though ... ;)
But if the previous ticket was a "pass", and the new one is a "fail" .. then you have a car with a failed MOT, both you and the computor know this .. :)
You don't have a car with "no" MOT .. it just does not have a "pass" MOT .. and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT.
"No" MOT = expired MOT .. NOT current but failed
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...... and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT........
It does, the previous ticket that is still legal till its expiry date .... unless it's dangerous etc etc ....
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...... and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT........
It does, the previous ticket that is still legal till its expiry date .... unless it's dangerous etc etc ....
I think you'll find that the "fail" certificate over-rules the "pass" one on the computer .. at least that is my understanding of it
http://www.ukmot.com/new_MOT.asp
The new MOT certificate is your receipt for the MOT test. It shows the information that is held on the MOT database. The certificate is no longer proof of an MOT and should not be relied on as such. Only the computer record can prove a vehicle has a valid MOT. Under the new system any recommended advisory work will normally be shown on a new Advisory Notice which will be given to you at the time of the test.
I wish I was wrong .. but that is how it was explained to us .. :(
If it failed it WILL have advisories ... it IS unroadworthy .. :(
Further info here ..
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108
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Put it this way...if you have a test before the current one runs out, you can more or less treat it as a pre-test to see if all is ok, if it fails you have time to do any work before the current valid certificate expires, if it passes then you have 13 months test, if there is a month left on your current one, if there is more than a month on the current one, you can discard it, and you now have a new 12 months MOT. :y
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I expect with all car MOTs now computerised/linked into dvla/vosa/... that any fail part-way through it's year would indeed flag as 'no MOT' (as it is the same as failed MOT).
But I can't see why - especially such a change (a fresh sale) - putting it through this early would be a problem[, normally].
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...... and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT........
It does, the previous ticket that is still legal till its expiry date .... unless it's dangerous etc etc ....
I think you'll find that the "fail" certificate over-rules the "pass" one on the computer .. at least that is my understanding of it
http://www.ukmot.com/new_MOT.asp
The new MOT certificate is your receipt for the MOT test. It shows the information that is held on the MOT database. The certificate is no longer proof of an MOT and should not be relied on as such. Only the computer record can prove a vehicle has a valid MOT. Under the new system any recommended advisory work will normally be shown on a new Advisory Notice which will be given to you at the time of the test.
I wish I was wrong .. but that is how it was explained to us .. :(
If it failed it WILL have advisories ... it IS unroadworthy .. :(
Further info here ..
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108
Wrong - a lot of things you can now fail on are nothing to do with road worthiness
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...... and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT........
It does, the previous ticket that is still legal till its expiry date .... unless it's dangerous etc etc ....
I think you'll find that the "fail" certificate over-rules the "pass" one on the computer .. at least that is my understanding of it
http://www.ukmot.com/new_MOT.asp
The new MOT certificate is your receipt for the MOT test. It shows the information that is held on the MOT database. The certificate is no longer proof of an MOT and should not be relied on as such. Only the computer record can prove a vehicle has a valid MOT. Under the new system any recommended advisory work will normally be shown on a new Advisory Notice which will be given to you at the time of the test.
I wish I was wrong .. but that is how it was explained to us .. :(
If it failed it WILL have advisories ... it IS unroadworthy .. :(
Further info here ..
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108
The first bit is too cover themselves with fraudulent certificates, nothing has changed there, and isn't relevent to our debate.
Why bother having the facility of the 13 month ticket if by going for an MOT early it will then criminalise you by trying to do the right thing & getting your act togther.
I'm going with H21 as he might just have a bit more experience in motoring offences than most of us here. ;) ;) ;)
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Could be that under the new system we're all right...and wrong, looking at the website it states
"You can renew your MOT up to one month before it expires without affecting your annual expiry date."
According to this then it's not advisable to re-test earlier than a month before expiry or it invalidates your current certificate, if it fails you have no MOT.
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Nah,
This just means if you do it earlier you have a fresh start date - which is what is wanted for the OP.
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Yes you have a fresh start date if it passes, if it fails it's now on record it has failed,as Entwood said, you can only conserve the current expiry date if it's within a month
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Not withstanding H21's views.. and as said he knows more about this than most ... but we had a "lecture" by a serving policeman as part of a roadsafety thing .. and this question came up.
His answer was as I posted.... basically if he checked vehicle he enters the registration, the computor tells him the current state of MOT/Tax/Insurance. The MOT info is the latest on the system.
So a fail will come up, he can then ask the questions like ... is this on its way home from the fail.... on it's way to be repaired... or on its way back for a retest, which are, he said, the only 3 legal times you can drive a "failed" MOT... regardless.
If the fail is so bad as to have a "prohibition" placed on it (as H21 mentions) it cannot even be driven under those conditions and would have to be trailered.
Now, I accept he might have told us wrongly .... but that is what he told us .. :(
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Not withstanding H21's views.. and as said he knows more about this than most ... but we had a "lecture" by a serving policeman as part of a roadsafety thing .. and this question came up.
His answer was as I posted.... basically if he checked vehicle he enters the registration, the computor tells him the current state of MOT/Tax/Insurance. The MOT info is the latest on the system.
So a fail will come up, he can then ask the questions like ... is this on its way home from the fail.... on it's way to be repaired... or on its way back for a retest, which are, he said, the only 3 legal times you can drive a "failed" MOT... regardless.
If the fail is so bad as to have a "prohibition" placed on it (as H21 mentions) it cannot even be driven under those conditions and would have to be trailered.
Now, I accept he might have told us wrongly .... but that is what he told us .. :(
You man speaketh rowlocks, albeit with the best of intentions.
Once a car has one full years test that remains in force until its expiry or a PG9/VG9 prohibition notice is issued by the Police or VOSA.
If you subsequently test the car anythime thereafter upto one month before its expiry and it passes, you get a 12 month ticket. If it is tested within the last month and it passes, you get a new ticket with upto 13 months validity.
All fair enough so far.....
If it fails on these subsequent tests it may well flag as a fail on the system - on that date - but there is still an existing 12 month ticket and the only way that can be recinded is by the issue of a VG9/PG9 prohibition.
As retold to me by VOSA managers who oversee and teach VOSA inspectors who teach MOT testers and examine testing stations that issue certificates....
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Thanks for that ... I wonder now just how many "Interpretations" of this there are amongst the Gentlemen in Blue ... :(
Clear as mud !!!! :)
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..... but we had a "lecture" .....
Who's 'we' :-/ ;) ;)
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I really don't know why people worry about the MOT.
It isn't worth the paper it's written on (it tells you that in the small print anyway), and even if caught without an MOT and no valid reason for being on the road, it's only a small fine (no points, as it isn't an endorsable offence).
The ONLY thing an MOT certificate proves is that the "testable" items were functioning to a pre-determined level at the ACTUAL time of the test.
At no point in time whatsoever does an MOT certificate mean a vehicle is roadworthy, and that includes the minute you drive away after a successful pass.
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my main reason for wanting a years mot put on the car was so i knew nothing was gonna need repaired for a while and save myself some cash.the very fact he point blank refused to mot it....even after i said i would pay for it tells its own story. >:(
would you buy a car with 3 months remaining?
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..... but we had a "lecture" .....
Who's 'we' :-/ ;) ;)
Group of motorists who meet for the odd beer or three and get the occasional outside speaker in, we've had IAM guy, Mr Plod on different occasions, AA patrol, that sort of thing. Perhaps we ought to try and get a VOSA man in .. :)
'twas all part of my previous employment ... HM Forces like to involve the local community :)
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.....even after i said i would pay for it tells its own story. >:( ........
I think it's just as likely to say he's a numpty as it does that he (or the car) had anything to hide. ;) ;)
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..... Perhaps we ought to try and get a VOSA man in .. :)
Better off with a rep from CAMRA! ;D ;D ;D
as long as he has some samples! :y :y
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..... Perhaps we ought to try and get a VOSA man in .. :)
Better off with a rep from CAMRA! ;D ;D ;D
as long as he has some samples! :y :y
meetings were held in the Sqn bar ... with barrels flowing ... :) Did make the Mr Plod from traffic who came to talk lecture on Drink Driving look twice .. :)
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meetings were held in the Sqn bar ... .....
Cashless I assume? .... like ours were! :y :y
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meetings were held in the Sqn bar ... .....
Cashless I assume? .... like ours were! :y :y
Of course ... paid for out of sqn funds .. or someone's leaving barrel, or a "wet-the-babies-head" barrel ... or someone who had screwed up and was paying a "fine" .. loads of ways of getting the barrels paid for .. :)
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meetings were held in the Sqn bar ... .....
Cashless I assume? .... like ours were! :y :y
Of course ... paid for out of sqn funds .. or someone's leaving barrel, or a "wet-the-babies-head" barrel ... or someone who had screwed up and was paying a "fine" .. loads of ways of getting the barrels paid for .. :)
I forget now how much we paid for a barrel ..... I remember it was around 50p a pint, tots ranged from about 10p for a Bacarudi ........ that was 20 yrs ago though :y :y
Fines were imposed for wearing your cap in the mess deck you had a bout 10 seconds, 'bouncing' the boilers. there were more, but as said it was 20 yrs back & the memory fades ....
who are you? :-/ ;) ;)
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meetings were held in the Sqn bar ... .....
Cashless I assume? .... like ours were! :y :y
Of course ... paid for out of sqn funds .. or someone's leaving barrel, or a "wet-the-babies-head" barrel ... or someone who had screwed up and was paying a "fine" .. loads of ways of getting the barrels paid for .. :)
I forget now how much we paid for a barrel ..... I remember it was around 50p a pint, tots ranged from about 10p for a Bacarudi ........ that was 20 yrs ago though :y :y
Fines were imposed for wearing your cap in the mess deck you had a bout 10 seconds, 'bouncing' the boilers. there were more, but as said it was 20 yrs back & the memory fades ....
who are you? :-/ ;) ;)
There was never any of this nonsense at Ganges...... :D :D :D
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Just got back from having her MOTed & asked Steve (the garage owner) about if you MOT a vehicle & it fails, it makes the old cert void. No it doesn't He said that if it fails & you drive the vehicle knowing it has a dangerous fault then you are liable, but the cert still stands until it runs out.
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Strikes me that the law hasn't changed but the ability of police to access ANPR/VOSA information has.
If the screen in the police car shows them that your car has failed an MOT it gives them a reason to stop you and ask for an explanation.
I suspect that as the original MOT isn't voided by the later fail your car would still come up on their screen as having a valid MOT (because it has).
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Strikes me that the law hasn't changed but the ability of police to access ANPR/VOSA information has.
If the screen in the police car shows them that your car has failed an MOT it gives them a reason to stop you and ask for an explanation.
I suspect that as the original MOT isn't voided by the later fail your car would still come up on their screen as having a valid MOT (because it has).
Apparently if the vehicle has failed on a dangerous fault the details are on computer of the fault.