Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Blackie_No1 on 28 December 2009, 15:02:26
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I have noticed that most of the peeps here seem to keep their cars clean and standard, which is fine, but I was wondering if anyones has modified theirs or is in the process of modifying?
If so what have you done and provide pics too please.....
Mine was a auto 2.5 CD as standard and the previous owner changed it to a 3.0 manual, I fitted a leather interior, bit of sound system with JL Audio front door speakers, Infiniti 12" sub in the boot running of a Mutant amp. The whole lot is being run by a JVC CD Head unit which is mated to a 12 disc changer in a custom mount in the boot.
I have a set of pre face MV6 rims in the garage waiting for tyres and the car is running on Monroe shocks and MV6 springs.
I have modified the airbox a little and after the new year I hope to get a powerflow cat back zorst. I am also hoping to get an LSD for her.
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..... I am also hoping to get an LSD for her.
Happy hunting ........ Rocking horse poo & hen's teeth spring to mind! :y :y
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What is an LSD? In my day that was an illegal substance!!!! Probably still is!!!
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What is an LSD? In my day that was an illegal substance!!!! Probably still is!!!
Limited Slip Differential :y :y :y
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_slip_differential
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In Australia there is a big, no, sorry, a BIIIG culture for improving one's Holden Commodores / Frod Taunuses. The Commodore being something of a cousin of the Omega you may find some new and interesting mods for your vehicle on sites dedicated to the former...
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In Australia there is a big, no, sorry, a BIIIG culture for improving one's Holden Commodores / Frod Taunuses. The Commodore being something of a cousin of the Omega you may find some new and interesting mods for your vehicle on sites dedicated to the former...
Do they run the same drivetrain then??
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In Australia there is a big, no, sorry, a BIIIG culture for improving one's Holden Commodores / Frod Taunuses. The Commodore being something of a cousin of the Omega you may find some new and interesting mods for your vehicle on sites dedicated to the former...
Do they run the same drivetrain then??
Its a re-badged Omega, very similar in design, but its going to be no good for you as the Commadore is wider than the Omega, so no body kits will fit.
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Yes. Though i suppose it depends on what your definition of 'fit' is, I see all sorts of bodykits (sometimes) skillfully grafted onto cars, for which they were never intended.
I would imagine that there would be a world of Holden suspension/brake upgrades which would be a pretty straightforward job to fit, though. Good luck!
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It,s mainly mechanical parts that I am after, such as, brakes, suspension, exhaust manifolds(or headers as they call them) and systems but with the different wdith, I am assuming that the floor plan is different? Also I am unable to find a 3.0l listing in the Commodore range...?
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In Australia there is a big, no, sorry, a BIIIG culture for improving one's Holden Commodores / Frod Taunuses. The Commodore being something of a cousin of the Omega you may find some new and interesting mods for your vehicle on sites dedicated to the former...
Do they run the same drivetrain then??
Its a re-badged Omega, very similar in design, but its going to be no good for you as the Commadore is wider than the Omega, so no body kits will fit.
Oh no it's not...........
;)
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In Australia there is a big, no, sorry, a BIIIG culture for improving one's Holden Commodores / Frod Taunuses. The Commodore being something of a cousin of the Omega you may find some new and interesting mods for your vehicle on sites dedicated to the former...
Do they run the same drivetrain then??
Its a re-badged Omega, very similar in design, but its going to be no good for you as the Commadore is wider than the Omega, so no body kits will fit.
Oh no it's not...........
;)
;)
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It,s mainly mechanical parts that I am after, such as, brakes, suspension, exhaust manifolds(or headers as they call them) and systems but with the different wdith, I am assuming that the floor plan is different? Also I am unable to find a 3.0l listing in the Commodore range...?
Never heard of the different width thing, before, to be honest. You should be very well catered for, as I said, with the oily bits, though. The PCD is different, that aside I've heard of Holden suspension fitted to Omegas.
There's a lot of disagreement about this, so here's my attempt at straightening it all out (Deep breath...) For anyone that doesn't already know cars are VERY expensive things to develop, (200million just to FACELIFT the Omega in '99) and so a car often shares what's called a 'platform'. This often includes floorpan, scuttle and suspension, drivetrain too. Over-simplification often re-terms this as a 'chassis', or 'floorplan'. This is, as with a lot of things sort-of right, sort-of wrong. But a good example is the Astra and Zafira. They look pretty different cars, but do share the same platform. To say they are 'the same car with a different body' Yes, it is TECHNICALLY incorrect to say this, there are no doubt loads of boltholes, pressings, flanges, blah blah blah that will be different, but one heavily borrows from another. Yes, there are differences, but they're BASICALLY the same. It happens SO much more than you'd think - Didn't know that under the skin the first Discovery is basically an old Range Rover, did you? Aston DB7 / Jag XJ-S, Morris Minor / Marina, Mazda 3 / Focus, Jag X-Type / Mondeo the list is endless!
The Holden Commodore VT / VX / VY / VZ share the same platform as the Omega. So when people say 'No, no its not the same car, look at the front end, look at the interior, etc..' they're half right, half wrong. Just as those that say 'They're the same car, different badge' again, half right, half wrong.
It is therefore totally feasible to take the front end from a Monaro, and bolt it to the mid-section of a Opel Omega, to the rear of a Cadillac Catera. Three cars, three continents, but all share the V-Car platform, that goes right back to 1978. There's a guy on oof that's just put an old 1980s 2.3TD Carlton lump (with a Monza 'box) in a Facelift Omega, it drops pretty much straight in!
Wikepedia does a decent job of explaining the Omega platform thing -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Commodore#VS_.281995.E2.80.931997.29
Hope that helps! :)
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Good answer, you are indeed a "diamond Geezer"
see what i did there? eh? eh?? LOL
Of hunting I will go, just one omore question, any hints as to where I should start looking?
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Ohh, now Im blushing!
Well, from memory Holden's motorsport tuner is called HSV (and was related to TWR, too) so that's a good one for google. I suppose it's a case of getting as clued up as best you can on Holdens, so you dont go ordering several grand's worth of tuning mods, only to find they dont fit! And remember the VE is the latest, and ISN'T related to the Omega!!
There must be a bunch of car-mad single men in an Australian forum, that will be able to advise you? And, of course check ebay.com.au that must be worth a shot?
When I get chance I'll scan in some of an Holden Monaro brochure I've got tucked away safe somewhere, for your viewing pleasure....
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http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/vz-holden-commodore-2004-2006/69042-vz-suspension-thread.html
like this!!
These sound like the sort of lads that stay up late enough at night wondering what kissing a girl is like, that you should be asking!
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no body kits for the Aussie Omega will fit UK Spec....
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Betcha you can't fit Commodore VX headlights to fit a F/L Omega. Actually, I know you can't!
Or a front wing.
Or a roof panel.
Or a front bulkhead.
Yes, I see the same platform - pretty obvious, but then to say that, Carlton 3/Omega A has the same platform as Omega B - and most things won't fit directly, there are alot of differences - including the basic monocoque.
I also bet a Carlton rear parcel shelf won't fit a VP Commodore, a VN Commodore front door won't fit an Omega B....................
The same platform is the carriage at the factory that - with changes - is used for cars that wear a different badge, but each model keeps it's own identity -unless the same car is sold in different countries - Omega A in Europe is Carlton 3 in UK is Chevrolet Omega in South America, and the only real differences are badges and whether right or left hand drive. Specs for electrical equipment differs from country to country, let alone continent to continent.
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Ok, can we not turn this into an argument guys, I do appreciate your help, but lets not get testy about it all.....
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(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/teamlsm/Commodore.jpg)
From the commodore site that Black Diamond geezer sent me, this looks like the basic Omega shell with a different front and back end, same door handles and same door mirrors a a facelift omega from what I can see....
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A Commodore Station wagon:
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/teamlsm/DSC02664.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/teamlsm/DSC02657.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/teamlsm/DSC02649.jpg)
This looks very close to a facelift Omega estate, looks like the exact same doors, door handles side windows etc.. as mine, looks like similar shaped tail lights as mine...
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Another pic of an estate VZ Commodore: I don't even think they are any wider to be honest.... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/teamlsm/21012009221.jpg)
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Either the car is longer or the rear doors are smaller than our Omega's - Omega rear doors close onto the arch, those ones don't.
Those strips down the roof from the roof bars are where the extra width ::) is present.
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Didn't spot that about the doors right enough, but I have joined a commodore owners site and will soon be getting answers on measurements.
I know that the exhausts are different as most of thier v6's run a single pipe front the cat back, so zorst systems are out....
Not sure if i am confident with your answer on the strips though..... from the rear view the car doesnt look any wider... thier number plate recess is smaller and could be giving the impression of a wider tailgate
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Holden VZ Commodore
Manufacturer Holden
Parent company General Motors
Also called Chevrolet Lumina
Production August 2004September 2007
Assembly Elizabeth, South Australia, Australia
Predecessor Holden VY Commodore
Successor Holden VE Commodore
Class Full-size
Body style(s) 4-door sedan
4-door station wagon
Layout FR layout
Platform GM V platform
Engine(s) V6
3.6 L 172 kW: Alloytec
3.6 L 175 kW: Alloytec
3.6 L 190 kW: Alloytec 190
V8
5.7 L 235 kW: Gen III LS1
5.7 L 250 kW: High Output LS1
6.0 L 260 kW: Gen IV L76
Transmission(s) 6-speed Manual
Aisin D173 (V6 only)
Tremec T56 (V8 only)
4-speed Automatic
GM 4L60
GM 4L65-E
5-speed Automatic
GM 5L40-E (190 kW V6 only)
Wheelbase 27892939 mm
Length 48765033 mm
Width 18421847 mm
Height 14401527 mm
Curb weight 15691654 kg
Fuel capacity 91 RON/75 L
Related Holden VZ Adventra
Holden VZ Crewman
Holden VZ Monaro
Holden VZ One Tonner
Holden VZ Ute
Holden WL Caprice
Holden WL Statesman
Omega B
Manufacturer Adam Opel AG
Parent company GM
Also called Vauxhall Omega
Cadillac Catera
Production 19941999
Assembly Germany
Predecessor Opel Omega A
Successor Opel Omega B FL
Class Full-size luxury car
Body style(s) saloon/sedan
estate
Layout FR layout
Engine(s) Petrol
Straight-4
2.0i L X20SE
2.0i L X20XEV
V6
2.5i L X25XE
3.0i L X30XE
Diesel
Straight-4
2.0 L DTI X20DTH
Straight-6
2.5 L TD 25TD
2.5 L TD X25TD
Transmission(s) 4-speed automatic
5-speed manual
Wheelbase 2,730 mm (107.5 in)
Length 4,790 mm (188.6 in),
4,820 mm (189.8 in) (estate)
Width 1,785 mm (70.3 in)
Height 1,455 mm (57.3 in),
1,500 mm (59.1 in) (estate
Kerb weight 1,400 kg (3,086 lb)
Seems there are slight differences. . . . .
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From wikipedia:
GM V platform (RWD)
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For the front-wheel drive automobile platform of the same name, see GM V platform (FWD).
Opel Commodore B (19721977)The V platform is a rear-wheel drive automobile platform that underpinned various General Motors (GM) vehicles from 1967 through to its final discontinuation in 2007. The V platform was developed in the 1960s by the European division of GM, Opel, however, it was not without significant revision over its lifetime. The platform's phase-out began when European production ended during 2003, while the Australian variants, produced by Holden continued until 2007, after their final replacement by Zeta-derived models. The first of these Zeta cars came in 2006, with the remaining changing over in 2007. V-cars are identified by the "V" fourth character in their Vehicle Identification Number. Although completely unrelated, the "V platform" designation was also used for a series of North American front-wheel drive personal luxury coupes (see: GM V platform (FWD)).
[edit] Applications
Opel Rekord E (19821986)
Holden Commodore VP (19911992)
Opel Omega B (19992003)
Holden Calais VX (20002001)Daewoo Prince
19911997: Daewoo Prince.
Holden Commodore
19781988: Holden Commodore, Holden Calais, Holden Royale (VB, VC, VH, VK, VL).
19881997: Holden Commodore, Holden Berlina, Holden Calais, Holden Royale (VN/VG, VP, VR, VS).
19972007: Holden Commodore, Holden Berlina, Holden Calais, Chevrolet Lumina, Chevrolet Omega (VT, VX, VY, VZ).
Holden Monaro
20012005: Holden Monaro, Pontiac GTO, Vauxhall Monaro, Chevrolet Lumina SS (V2, VZ).
Holden Statesman
19901999: Holden Statesman, Holden Caprice (VQ, VR, VS).
19992006: Holden Statesman, Holden Caprice, Buick Royaum, Chevrolet Caprice (WH, WK, WL).
Holden Ute
20002007: Holden Ute, Chevrolet Lumina Ute (VU, VY, VZ).
Opel Commodore
19671971: Opel Commodore A, Chevrolet Commodore.
19721977: Opel Commodore B, Opel Ranger, Chevrolet Commodore, Chevrolet Iran.
19771982: Opel Commodore C, Vauxhall Viceroy, Chevrolet Commodore, Daewoo Royale.
Opel Monza
19781986: Opel Monza A, Vauxhall Royale Coupe.
Opel Omega
19861994: Opel Omega A, Vauxhall Carlton Mark II, Chevrolet Omega A (19921999), Lotus Carlton, Lotus Omega.
19942003: Opel Omega B, Vauxhall Omega B, Cadillac Catera.
Opel Rekord
19671971: Opel Rekord C, Opel Ranger, Chevrolet Comodoro, Chevrolet Opala.
19721977: Opel Rekord D, Opel Ranger.
19771986: Opel Rekord E, Vauxhall Carlton Mark I.
Opel Senator
19781987: Opel Senator A, Chevrolet Senator, Vauxhall Royale.
19871994: Opel Senator B, Vauxhall Senator
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Ok, can we not turn this into an argument guys, I do appreciate your help, but lets not get testy about it all.....
I wasn't getting testy, dude - just trying to point out that there are quite a few differences, is all.
A few mm here, a few mm there - as they say on Tesco ads - every little helps.
;)
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how many times do i have to say it, no, thats no, thats [size=20]no[/size] body kits for the Holden Commodore will fit the Omega
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It,s mainly mechanical parts that I am after, such as, brakes, suspension, exhaust manifolds(or headers as they call them) and systems but with the different wdith, I am assuming that the floor plan is different? Also I am unable to find a 3.0l listing in the Commodore range...?
he never mentioned bodykits
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how many times do i have to say it, no, thats no, thats [size=20]no[/size] body kits for the Holden Commodore will fit the Omega
Calm down dear!
;D ;D ;D
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Another pic of an estate VZ Commodore: I don't even think they are any wider to be honest.... (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/teamlsm/21012009221.jpg)
Commodore: - Width 1,785 mm (70.3 in)
Omega: - Width 1,772 mm (69.8 in)
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Have a look at this for your brake upgrade it mite help .... http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1182703783/0
and i'm sure the if you have any questions he will help.
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Well, Blackie No1, hope you're finding what you want, buddy.
The fun is in the thrill of the chase, as they say...and that's just what its all about, having fun, and keep smiling :y
Although you'd be amazed at how many funny looks you get if you apply that philosophy at a funeral.... :(
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Tunnie, chill out dude, I posted that about the width before I wikipedia'd it. And as Candyman posted, it's mainly mechanicals, I don't want a bodykit!
As it turns out, engines and exhausts are not shared, springs may work, but I'm not going to pay for them to be shipped to N.Ireland to find out they don't.
I might try that out diamond black, at the next funeral I'm at lol
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ahoi-hoi!!! :y