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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 31 January 2010, 09:22:02
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You all know it failed on a blown numberplate bulb, plus 2 other things.
Guess away, and only pick 2 items from poll.
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Poll ends a 9pm tonight (if my maths is right), and Mr DTM, you can't vote ;D
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Oops, got carried away. ::)
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Voted :y and by my reckoning the poll closes at 10am on Feb 11th ;D ;D
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Voted :y and by my reckoning the poll closes at 10am on Feb 11th ;D ;D
PMSL - I think I've found a little bugette in the forum software.
Set for 1 day, but I will end at 9ish tonight!
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done, guess AA has voted for each one? ;D
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I'm going with Handbrake ;)
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I'm going with Handbrake ;)
yep, and exhaust :)
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I'm going with Handbrake ;)
yep, and exhaust :)
Considering the hassle he hand with the hand break previously, i rekon its something more simple
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I'm going with Handbrake ;)
yep, and exhaust :)
Done and done
Recall some talk about exhaust so gooing with that
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Voted. :y
I reckon this will be the most popular Poll ever on the OOF. ::)
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Before I vote, is there an amnesty on losing your post count? ::) :y
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Before I vote, is there an amnesty on losing your post count? ::) :y
Chicken. ;D
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I went for indicators not orange enough and windscreen damage.
Indicators not orange enough is one of the things my MV6 failed on last year :y
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Before I vote, is there an amnesty on losing your post count? ::) :y
Chicken. ;D
Squalk! cluck cluck cluck ;D
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Roasted
, er, I mean Voted! ;D
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Roasted, er, I mean Voted! ;D
;D ;D ;D :y
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Before I vote, is there an amnesty on losing your post count? ::) :y
If Vamps gets them both right, does he get his post count back. ;D
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Before I vote, is there an amnesty on losing your post count? ::) :y
If Vamps gets them both right, does he get his post count back. ;D
Why should he... He was a bad boy :-X :P ::)
Voted... Handbrake and indicator colour :y :y
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15 Minutes to go... Better nip to the loo in case it's funny :-X :-X ::) ::) :D :D
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I went for - wheel/tyre damage. Its an MV6 and they had a lot of snow over there recently.
And exhaust - Tunnie was involved in fitting it iirc. ::) :D ;D
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I went for - wheel/tyre damage. Its an MV6 and they had a lot of snow over there recently.
And exhaust - Tunnie was involved in fitting it iirc. ::) :D ;D
Spent almost all day & night fitting it >:( - And about 1,000 drill bits
Sounded all ok when it left my garage, but who knows when its in the hands of TB ::) ;D
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I went for - wheel/tyre damage. Its an MV6 and they had a lot of snow over there recently.
And exhaust - Tunnie was involved in fitting it iirc. ::) :D ;D
Wasn't the MV6 Buried on the drive though... Awaiting a Track Rod End IIRCC :-/ :-/
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Is there a prize for right answers? :D
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I picked 4 so my vote doesn't count, i'll read first next time :-[
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Is there a prize for right answers? :D
If my guesses were right then the prize will be to lose lots of posts from the postcount as I'll probably take the p!$$ again....
.... I Just can't help it ::) ::) ;D ;D
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I went for - wheel/tyre damage. Its an MV6 and they had a lot of snow over there recently.
And exhaust - Tunnie was involved in fitting it iirc. ::) :D ;D
Wasn't the MV6 Buried on the drive though... Awaiting a Track Rod End IIRCC :-/ :-/
Nope thats done now :)
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I went for - wheel/tyre damage. Its an MV6 and they had a lot of snow over there recently.
And exhaust - Tunnie was involved in fitting it iirc. ::) :D ;D
Wasn't the MV6 Buried on the drive though... Awaiting a Track Rod End IIRCC :-/ :-/
Nope thats done now :)
I know... But it wasn't when you had all the snow ;) ;)
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I went for - wheel/tyre damage. Its an MV6 and they had a lot of snow over there recently.
And exhaust - Tunnie was involved in fitting it iirc. ::) :D ;D
Spent almost all day & night fitting it >:( - And about 1,000 drill bits
Sounded all ok when it left my garage, but who knows when its in the hands of TB ::) ;D
Doesnt mean you did it properly. ;) ;D ;D
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C'mon TB... These suspenders are starting to hurt ::) ::) ;D ;D
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Voted :y and by my reckoning the poll closes at 10am on Feb 11th ;D ;D
PMSL - I think I've found a little bugette in the forum software.
Set for 1 day, but I will end at 9ish tonight!
I'm waiting up for the results show ::) ::)
Perhaps TB is busy watching I can't Dance on Ice? :-X :-X :D :D
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pre face lift mv6 wheels had been replaced with face lift mv6 wheels last time i saw it. Presume they are stronger?
and whats the odds TB has gone to bed?
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pre face lift mv6 wheels had been replaced with face lift mv6 wheels last time i saw it. Presume they are stronger?
and whats the odds TB has gone to bed?
Exactly what I'm doning shortly... Early start again tomorrow :( :(
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It surely can't have been a dangly air freshner thingy again?
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It surely can't have been a dangly air freshner thingy again?
Oops... PC 473 :D :D :y :y
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Opps, sorry, late tea, then I got engrossed in something else and forgot :-X
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2 people have the right answer :y
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2 people have the right answer :y
Which 2 though?
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2 people have the right answer :y
Which 2 though?
Did I ever say I would reveal the answers ;)
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I am now HOPING it was the overly dangly air freshner again.
Jue says u should sell it and get a decent one :P
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I am now HOPING it was the overly dangly air freshner again.
Jue says u should sell it and get a decent one :P
There was a stage partway through the MOT when I really thought that was a possibility. That said, the replacements I was considering were not Vauxhalls ::)
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was i right?
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2 people have the right answer :y
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Great, what have I won? I hope it is a car! :)
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was i right?
Not even close
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2 people have the right answer :y
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Great, what have I won? I hope it is a car! :)
You are a loser, no prize for you!
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Spill the beans then... You know you want to!
Or just tell me, was I right? I won't tell anyone ::)
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2 people have the right answer :y
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Great, what have I won? I hope it is a car! :)
You are a loser, no prize for you!
Aggh. Don't beat about the bush will you.
You could have said " Sorry, you didn't win a prize this time, thanks for your interest. Please do try again in the next one"
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Spill the beans then... You know you want to!
Or just tell me, was I right? I won't tell anyone ::)
You were wrong
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I get any right?
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So after all the excitement of a poll we're still not going to find out what else it failed on? :(
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So after all the excitement of a poll we're still not going to find out what else it failed on? :(
It's a need to know basis & we don't need to know ;D
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So after all the excitement of a poll we're still not going to find out what else it failed on? :(
It's a need to know basis & we don't need to know ;D
Sounds about right ;D ;D ;D
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Must be worthy of a wind up if he wont tell us ::)
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I get any right?
Yes.
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I get any right?
Yes.
I get both right?
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I get any right?
Yes.
I get both right?
No
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Could it be me....if so as a prize i would like an extra ....10000 post counts ;D ;D ;D Thanks you :y
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Could it be me....if so as a prize i would like an extra ....10000 post counts ;D ;D ;D Thanks you :y
You gotta be in it to win it. And you weren't ;D
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OK - let us narow this scam poll down a bit - Jimbob got one right - Jimbob - what were your choicies?
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TB is trying to beat the longest thread ever on oof by stringing us all along, like sheep... er... and chickens, for those that voted and ran off with out posting a question.
Or maybe they are wise chickens kmowing full well "The farmer" sorry, The Boy aint telling? Come on farmer Boy your flock ,or hurd, awaits. Time you got another tractor i reckon.
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TB is trying to beat the longest thread ever on oof by stringing us all along, like sheep... er... and chickens, for those that voted and ran off with out posting a question.
Or maybe they are wise chickens kmowing full well "The farmer" sorry, The Boy aint telling? Come on farmer Boy your flock ,or hurd, awaits. Time you got another tractor i reckon.
Don't I hold the record for the longest thread anyway ::)
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If Jimbob responds we can narrow this down significantly and defeat the object of the TB exercise.
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If Jimbob responds we can narrow this down significantly and defeat the object of the TB exercise.
I can help narrow it down.
The most popular answer was incorrect.
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TB is trying to beat the longest thread ever on oof by stringing us all along, like sheep... er... and chickens, for those that voted and ran off with out posting a question.
Or maybe they are wise chickens kmowing full well "The farmer" sorry, The Boy aint telling? Come on farmer Boy your flock ,or hurd, awaits. Time you got another tractor i reckon.
Don't I hold the record for the longest thread anyway ::)
"Human Sleeping Tablet" comes to mind, pull that over your ears ;D ;D :P
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TB is trying to beat the longest thread ever on oof by stringing us all along, like sheep... er... and chickens, for those that voted and ran off with out posting a question.
i said farmer not pharmacie...
Or maybe they are wise chickens kmowing full well "The farmer" sorry, The Boy aint telling? Come on farmer Boy your flock ,or hurd, awaits. Time you got another tractor i reckon.
Don't I hold the record for the longest thread anyway ::)
"Human Sleeping Tablet" comes to mind, pull that over your ears ;D ;D :P
i said farmer not pharmacy...
:P
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So did I get any right?
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handbrake and steering suspension play, i win!
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handbrake and steering suspension play, i win!
I think TB needs to shed a bit more light in your direction.... :-X
Kevin
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I was gonna give you a hand and say how I voted, but it could be too illuminating, so I'll stay quiet.
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I know one of mine is wrong, as it was the highest vote.
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I was gonna give you a hand and say how I voted, but it could be too illuminating, so I'll stay quiet.
There's a clue in there somewhere! :D
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By the way, what exhaust was fitted? Eternal?
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By the way, what exhaust was fitted? Eternal?
yup
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So... Handbrake and another blown bulb then :-? :-?
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By the way, what exhaust was fitted? Eternal?
yup
pleased? for the money? caw, slike getting blood out if a stone this. You'd think the mot guy shat in TB's hand bag. You cant spot every fault J.
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So... Handbrake and another blown bulb then :-? :-?
Can't shed much light with a blown bulb. ::)
Kevin
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Headlight alignment and brake efficiency?
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By the way, what exhaust was fitted? Eternal?
yup
pleased? for the money? caw, slike getting blood out if a stone this. You'd think the mot guy shat in TB's hand bag. You cant spot every fault J.
Am I pleased with the exhaust? Hmmm, can I ponder that one for a while? Its not a Yes/No answer. In fact, answer is Yes and No.
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By the way, what exhaust was fitted? Eternal?
yup
pleased? for the money? caw, slike getting blood out if a stone this. You'd think the mot guy shat in TB's hand bag. You cant spot every fault J.
Am I pleased with the exhaust? Hmmm, can I ponder that one for a while? Its not a Yes/No answer. In fact, answer is Yes and No.
Very helpful answer ;D ;D That's like asking someone if they want tea or coffee and they answer "yes please" ;D ;D ;D
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So... Handbrake and another blown bulb then :-? :-?
Can't shed much light with a blown bulb. ::)
Kevin
So... It wasn't the most popular answer, which is Indicators too white, so must be headlamp aim and Handbrake :-? :-? :-?
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By the way, what exhaust was fitted? Eternal?
yup
pleased? for the money? caw, slike getting blood out if a stone this. You'd think the mot guy shat in TB's hand bag. You cant spot every fault J.
Am I pleased with the exhaust? Hmmm, can I ponder that one for a while? Its not a Yes/No answer. In fact, answer is Yes and No.
Very helpful answer ;D ;D That's like asking someone if they want tea or coffee and they answer "yes please" ;D ;D ;D
Would I buy another (assuming it lasts 3 or 4 years), in preference to other pattern ones? Yes.
Am I happy with it? Jury's out
Do I think its value for money (assuming it lasts 3 or 4 years)? Yes
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By the way, what exhaust was fitted? Eternal?
yup
pleased? for the money? caw, slike getting blood out if a stone this. You'd think the mot guy shat in TB's hand bag. You cant spot every fault J.
Am I pleased with the exhaust? Hmmm, can I ponder that one for a while? Its not a Yes/No answer. In fact, answer is Yes and No.
Very helpful answer ;D ;D That's like asking someone if they want tea or coffee and they answer "yes please" ;D ;D ;D
Would I buy another (assuming it lasts 3 or 4 years), in preference to other pattern ones? Yes.
Am I happy with it? Jury's out
Do I think its value for money (assuming it lasts 3 or 4 years)? Yes
So yes then, see, simples. Although whats wrong wifit? baring in mind the cost.
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By the way, what exhaust was fitted? Eternal?
yup
pleased? for the money? caw, slike getting blood out if a stone this. You'd think the mot guy shat in TB's hand bag. You cant spot every fault J.
Am I pleased with the exhaust? Hmmm, can I ponder that one for a while? Its not a Yes/No answer. In fact, answer is Yes and No.
Very helpful answer ;D ;D That's like asking someone if they want tea or coffee and they answer "yes please" ;D ;D ;D
Would I buy another (assuming it lasts 3 or 4 years), in preference to other pattern ones? Yes.
Am I happy with it? Jury's out
Do I think its value for money (assuming it lasts 3 or 4 years)? Yes
So yes then, see, simples. Although whats wrong wifit? baring in mind the cost.
Bearing in mind the cost, I have no grumbles. I didn't expect miracles, and it is better than I feared.
It doesn't drone as much as other patterns, but it definately has a drone. It also doesn't have that lovely roar that the old one had a full beans, though that may not be such a bad thing if it calms me down ::)
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If I could get another 'old style' GM one at TC, I'd buy that tomorrow.
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If I could get another 'old style' GM one at TC, I'd buy that tomorrow.
well the old rule was spot on, with the old original style, shame, really is.
aaaaaaanywaaay, handbrake? just a little bit? perhaps? :-? :-X
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i have a spare depo pass side if you need it, seeing as its you, our leading light.
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i have a spare depo pass side if you need it, seeing as its you, our leading light.
creep
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i have a spare depo pass side if you need it, seeing as its you, our leading light.
creep
well, cant have him fumbling around in the dark can we...
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i have a spare depo pass side if you need it, seeing as its you, our leading light.
creep
well, cant have him fumbling around in the dark can we...
i suppose your right, he needs to be guided.
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right, well, if admin are going to take the plss out of us for no good reason by changing our titles to the feminin, then i think it only fair we take the piss out of admin for failing to practice what they preech and failing an mot, dont you?
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As has been guessed by most by now, handbrake and headlight aim.
Nice cryptic by Jimbob, and well done to those who worked it out :y
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Marks DTM has a very good guide on how to do your handbrake. Here is the link.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152564750
Take your time and don't cut corners!
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yes, very good link that, and a well written usefull guide.
Use it or loose it. :)
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Marks DTM has a very good guide on how to do your handbrake. Here is the link.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152564750
Take your time and don't cut corners!
Aye, I know the guide well. In fact, it could even be my car in the guide?
The amount of maintenence the bloody handbrake needs is frustrating - its one of those jobs I hate, but always needs doing :(
And, yes, I **ALWAYS** apply the handbrake fully without fail, so its not lack of use.
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My minif/l just crept through its MOT this week (with brand new eternal system in place).
One advisory was handbrake performance. I too apply it all the time (well, when stationary.. ;)) so god knows what the problem is. I guess another strip down session beckons when the weather improves and I manage to rid myself of the lurgy - doesn't seem a year since I last did it last:(
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he was asking about head light alignment earlier, hope he's sorted by now...?
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My minif/l just crept through its MOT this week (with brand new eternal system in place).
One advisory was handbrake performance. I too apply it all the time (well, when stationary.. ;)) so god knows what the problem is. I guess another strip down session beckons when the weather improves and I manage to rid myself of the lurgy - doesn't seem a year since I last did it last:(
Does seem to be a recurring issue on a few Omegas. There is obviously something odd with its (standard-ish) design.
The little Rover, 10yrs old, 101k on clock, I can honestly say I have never, ever looked at the rear brakes. In fact, don't think I've ever taken off the rear wheels (tyre place has to change tyres). No problem with the handbrake on that.
OK, so rear brakes are drums (so always in use), and I probably use the handbrake more on the Rover to, err, turn a bit tighter ::).
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One problem with the handbrake not being part of the service braking system is that the friction material will never bed in to the drum properly so, even (especially) if everything is new the shoes may not be achieving a particularly good contact area with the drum. This means poor performance no matter how well the actuating mechanism is working.
I guess the nswer is to pull it up a couple of clicks every now and then when slowing the car and let it do some work. Don't overheat it though.
Kevin
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One problem with the handbrake not being part of the service braking system is that the friction material will never bed in to the drum properly so, even (especially) if everything is new the shoes may not be achieving a particularly good contact area with the drum. This means poor performance no matter how well the actuating mechanism is working.
I guess the nswer is to pull it up a couple of clicks every now and then when slowing the car and let it do some work. Don't overheat it though.
Kevin
which I do regular (well, every month or 2)
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What was the failure? Lack of efficiency?
Was it the same on both sides?
Only other thing I can think of is that the cables are getting a bit elastic. If the lever isn't running out of travel (which would be a fail anyway) you should still be able to apply the same force though. :-/
Off with the rear disks and see if you can rough up the inside of the "drum" area, perhaps?
Kevin
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One problem with the handbrake not being part of the service braking system is that the friction material will never bed in to the drum properly so, even (especially) if everything is new the shoes may not be achieving a particularly good contact area with the drum. This means poor performance no matter how well the actuating mechanism is working.
I guess the nswer is to pull it up a couple of clicks every now and then when slowing the car and let it do some work. Don't overheat it though.
Kevin
which I do regular (well, every month or 2)
its in the manual that one, something about keeping the drum brake servive clear of rust and crap.
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What was the failure? Lack of efficiency?
Was it the same on both sides?
Only other thing I can think of is that the cables are getting a bit elastic. If the lever isn't running out of travel (which would be a fail anyway) you should still be able to apply the same force though. :-/
Off with the rear disks and see if you can rough up the inside of the "drum" area, perhaps?
Kevin
The mechs look to be working fine both sides, and inside of drums looks good to me. I did strip the mech down one side, but made no difference. Guess I'll have to do other, but really don't see how that will help.
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Are you actually following the excellent How to guide that Marks DTM produced? Here is the link
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152564750
It only takes about a week!
PS I got so fed up of mine last year that I bought new discs, pads and handbrake shoes in the end.
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The mechs look to be working fine both sides, and inside of drums looks good to me. I did strip the mech down one side, but made no difference. Guess I'll have to do other, but really don't see how that will help.
I guess either you're not applying enough force to the mechanism to achieve the required level of braking or the friction surfaces are not providing adequate braking despite plenty of force. Hence either siezed cable/mechanism (appears ok, and unlikely) or a problem with the friction surfaces.
Was just wondering if the surfaces have got a bit glazed, hence roughing up the drum with a bit of emery paper, etc. followed by a bit of use might allow them to bed in better. :-/
It's always a problem taking kit cars through SVA where the brakes have had very little use but are expected to perform to a higher then MOT standard. Brake balance is all over the place, typically. Rough up the disks, drive it a few miles and it's all spot on.
Kevin
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new shoes, de grease the drums, wack it back together and apply the hand brake sensably, say 5 second bursts, while driving at 20 or 30ish to bed in but not produce much heat, let them cool inbetween, i over did it with mine and the shoe lining fell off into the drum....if that helps? appologies if i'm covering old ground.
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I have had 2 Omegas with seized cables - just at the point where the inner cable emerges from the outer at the wheel end. The plastic coating seems to wear through, cable corrodes and then sticks in the outer sheath. I replaced the one on this car a couple of years ago so hope that's not the problem again here.
I'll try the applying-when-moving trick.
Certainly if I apply the h/brake such that it is as far on as can reasonably be applied (5 notches at the moment -I can get it another notch by some force), on the horizontal and in drive, it will hold the car in idle but not with any throttle - and I suspect it wouldn't hold it in idle on much of a slope. That does seem pretty poor performance.