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Title: Bogus history!
Post by: Ronald_McBurger on 23 June 2007, 19:47:45
Shock horror!

The new corsa I bought a couple of weeks back has a bogus service history. Well, I sought of guessed that by the fact that I asked when the cambelt was last changed and they checked the history, which said it had been done at 70k. (car is on 103k).  Car has a timing chain!

Log book came back Thursday so I wrote to the previous woner (who bought it new) and asked about the history. He did all the servicing himself after the first one. He has never heard of the garage who supposely serviced it twice whilst he owned the car.

He part ex'd the car and the main agent chucked it into the BCA auctions at Peterborough. I bought it from a dealer in Peterborough. The dealer advertised the car with 'full service history, mot to May 2008 and adjustable steering column' amogst many other things. All the above are false. The MoT is until January, the steering is not adjustable and the History is ficticious.

So, now I have them by the bow locks. I spoke with the dealer today. He claims some sob story about a former partner who is now in eastern europe, blah blah. Not interested. Trade desciptions and false advertising spring to mind. The car needs new wishbones, drop links, 3 wheel bearings and track rod ends. I told the dealer that I am happy for them to make me a sensible offer to forget about this descrpancy, or I can just hand it to trading standards. They are coming back to me tomorrow with an offer. I won't take less than £500.

Interesting though huh?
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: STMO123 on 23 June 2007, 19:53:49
The corsa is the kind of car a young girl might buy as her first car. Imagine the grief this could have caused someone who didn't know what you know Fin. I would demand a full refund, something for my trouble and report the b@stard anyway >:(
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: TheBoy on 23 June 2007, 19:54:18
1 in 4 are clocked apparently, so many will have 'creative' history...
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Danny on 23 June 2007, 20:25:31
full refund...
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Chopsdad on 23 June 2007, 20:34:58
Is it bad then that I just paid £17.63 to have my annual service log stamped :-/

I did provide the oil and filter, and he did change it, but that's all :-[

Bargain I thought as they do nowt extra anyway :y

(Air filter and plugs done by me)
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: CaptainZok on 23 June 2007, 20:40:37
I think keeping a spreadsheet of work done, dates and mileages for work done with receipts will carry more weight than any number of stamps in the service book which as we can see are easily forged.
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: TheBoy on 23 June 2007, 20:48:58
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I think keeping a spreadsheet of work done, dates and mileages for work done with receipts will carry more weight than any number of stamps in the service book which as we can see are easily forged.
as can the spreadsheet ;)
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 23 June 2007, 20:54:46
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Is it bad then that I just paid £17.63 to have my annual service log stamped :-/

I did provide the oil and filter, and he did change it, but that's all :-[

Bargain I thought as they do nowt extra anyway :y

(Air filter and plugs done by me)

Nowt wrong with that  :y

Local garage i use stamped my merc service book for me.......for umm 75k miles worth of servicing in one go just before i sold it.....they had done all the oil changes and work on it during this time so i carnt see anything wrong with that.

Stamping a service book when its not been to a garage......or a different garage stamp is imo wrong!

I dont think Ron wants his money back......from recall it was pretty cheap anyway....plus those jobs are easy peasy for Ron......plus its about to get even cheaper  :y ;D




Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: CaptainZok on 23 June 2007, 21:00:57
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I think keeping a spreadsheet of work done, dates and mileages for work done with receipts will carry more weight than any number of stamps in the service book which as we can see are easily forged.
as can the spreadsheet ;)
True but a pile of receipts especially with reg no. on em over the period of ownership is a bit more challenging.
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 23 June 2007, 21:04:04
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1 in 4 are clocked apparently, so many will have 'creative' history...

Talking of clocking.....my veccyB could do with a mileage reduction.....a tech2 must be able to do that......85k would be better that the 208k currently on it......i'll bring a case of Stella   ;)

NO......oh.....ok then you drive a hard bargain....2 cases of Stella then   ;)

Only joking  ;D ......it will be for sale shortly......but with the correct mileage on it  :y
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 23 June 2007, 21:07:51
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I think keeping a spreadsheet of work done, dates and mileages for work done with receipts will carry more weight than any number of stamps in the service book which as we can see are easily forged.
as can the spreadsheet ;)
True but a pile of receipts especially with reg no. on em over the period of ownership is a bit more challenging.

You no good with PaintshopPro then  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Ronald_McBurger on 23 June 2007, 21:39:59
Oh yes, I am keeping the car alright. Nothing wrong with it other tahn the above and a normal oil/filters jobber. But I do want £500 minimum bacck. yes, I knowcked £400 off the already low price in the first place. But all the same.

Bottom line:

Car with 30k would be £6,500
Car with £103k worth about £4,500
I paid £3150
If I get another £500 back, that will be a good price in the end.
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: stuart30 on 23 June 2007, 23:46:09
Ronnie what dealer was it....only i"ll be visting the various dealers in peterbough on my hunt for a Ford galaxy,goes without saying i2ll avoid the sharks in Eye... ;D
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: omegaV6CD on 24 June 2007, 01:05:46
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Shock horror!

The new corsa I bought a couple of weeks back has a bogus service history. Well, I sought of guessed that by the fact that I asked when the cambelt was last changed and they checked the history, which said it had been done at 70k. (car is on 103k).  Car has a timing chain!

Log book came back Thursday so I wrote to the previous woner (who bought it new) and asked about the history. He did all the servicing himself after the first one. He has never heard of the garage who supposely serviced it twice whilst he owned the car.

He part ex'd the car and the main agent chucked it into the BCA auctions at Peterborough. I bought it from a dealer in Peterborough. The dealer advertised the car with 'full service history, mot to May 2008 and adjustable steering column' amogst many other things. All the above are false. The MoT is until January, the steering is not adjustable and the History is ficticious.

So, now I have them by the bow locks. I spoke with the dealer today. He claims some sob story about a former partner who is now in eastern europe, blah blah. Not interested. Trade desciptions and false advertising spring to mind. The car needs new wishbones, drop links, 3 wheel bearings and track rod ends. I told the dealer that I am happy for them to make me a sensible offer to forget about this descrpancy, or I can just hand it to trading standards. They are coming back to me tomorrow with an offer. I won't take less than £500.

Interesting though huh?

Well done Fin for finding out the truth, i hope you give them what they deserve.
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: amigov6 on 24 June 2007, 01:42:20
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Shock horror!

The new corsa I bought a couple of weeks back has a bogus service history. Well, I sought of guessed that by the fact that I asked when the cambelt was last changed and they checked the history, which said it had been done at 70k. (car is on 103k).  Car has a timing chain!

Log book came back Thursday so I wrote to the previous woner (who bought it new) and asked about the history. He did all the servicing himself after the first one. He has never heard of the garage who supposely serviced it twice whilst he owned the car.

He part ex'd the car and the main agent chucked it into the BCA auctions at Peterborough. I bought it from a dealer in Peterborough. The dealer advertised the car with 'full service history, mot to May 2008 and adjustable steering column' amogst many other things. All the above are false. The MoT is until January, the steering is not adjustable and the History is ficticious.

So, now I have them by the bow locks. I spoke with the dealer today. He claims some sob story about a former partner who is now in eastern europe, blah blah. Not interested. Trade desciptions and false advertising spring to mind. The car needs new wishbones, drop links, 3 wheel bearings and track rod ends. I told the dealer that I am happy for them to make me a sensible offer to forget about this descrpancy, or I can just hand it to trading standards. They are coming back to me tomorrow with an offer. I won't take less than £500.

Interesting though huh?

Well done Fin for finding out the truth, i hope you give them what they deserve.
>:(Was the car sold to you with 12 months MOT? If so, wishbones, etc,. You could have him on that. 8-)
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Ronald_McBurger on 24 June 2007, 07:56:26
Well, the problem with MoT's is that they only cover what was seen on that day. If the car was then used on the Dakar rally the next day it may well have faults, but not the fault of the MoT peeps!

Interestingly, it has a knocking noise from the front which I suspect is the ball joint. Previous owner tells me it failed its first moT in Juuary this year on a ball joint. So they changed the wishbone - and it has knocked ever since! TAKE IT BACK!!!!!!

Whatever, I will change that wishbone again and obviously will do the other side as I only do wheels in pairs.
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Ronald_McBurger on 24 June 2007, 15:37:09
Ok, update. Having just spoken at length with the dealer, they are giving me £300 back. I am happy at that as it will cover all my costs and the car is a good one. I could have gone the legal route, but may/may not have got more or a penny! Some times it is better the devil you know......

Will I then stitch them up? No.
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Danny on 24 June 2007, 15:43:35
well you know what its worth, and what you paid overall :y
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: MikeDundee on 24 June 2007, 16:12:46
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Ok, update. Having just spoken at length with the dealer, they are giving me £300 back. I am happy at that as it will cover all my costs and the car is a good one. I could have gone the legal route, but may/may not have got more or a penny! Some times it is better the devil you know......

Will I then stitch them up? No.

You'll be stitching them up then Fin ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: TheBoy on 24 June 2007, 16:29:06
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Ok, update. Having just spoken at length with the dealer, they are giving me £300 back. I am happy at that as it will cover all my costs and the car is a good one. I could have gone the legal route, but may/may not have got more or a penny! Some times it is better the devil you know......

Will I then stitch them up? No.
Sounds like you are happy with the outcome, so thats a result :)
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Ronald_McBurger on 24 June 2007, 19:54:49
Bottom line here. I have absolutely no proof of who changed the service history. I do know that the original owner traded it in to a VX main agent. When he gave them the history it had the one stamp. They have confirmed that when it went to auction it had one stamp.

The car was sold by BCA auctions in Peterborough and I bought it from a dealer in Peterborough a month later.

I think we all have a good idea who may have added in a colourful service history, but I cannot acuse anyone or prove anything. So, with that in mind I think I have a reasonble outcome.

Original price of the car was £3490. I paid £3100 and have now got another £300 back. The car ios fine apart from fornt suspension and wheel bearings. Thye offer was by all accounts a genuine one and is in a way hush money I suppose, but fairs fair, they have (as far as I am concerned) resolved this to my satisfaction.

I will not be naming and shaming.
Title: Re: Bogus history!
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 24 June 2007, 20:56:42
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Bottom line here. I have absolutely no proof of who changed the service history. I do know that the original owner traded it in to a VX main agent. When he gave them the history it had the one stamp. They have confirmed that when it went to auction it had one stamp.

The car was sold by BCA auctions in Peterborough and I bought it from a dealer in Peterborough a month later.

I think we all have a good idea who may have added in a colourful service history, but I cannot acuse anyone or prove anything. So, with that in mind I think I have a reasonble outcome.

Original price of the car was £3490. I paid £3100 and have now got another £300 back. The car ios fine apart from fornt suspension and wheel bearings. Thye offer was by all accounts a genuine one and is in a way hush money I suppose, but fairs fair, they have (as far as I am concerned) resolved this to my satisfaction.

I will not be naming and shaming.

Fair play Fin  :y

I know when i bought my veccyB....garage told me no warranty as i was gonna use it as a taxi and did get it cheap.....but did say bring it back if its got issues within the next month.....i did coz it was missing on lpg.....they had a go but didnt cure it.....so i took it to vx dealer (had the lpg kit to deal with) £120 later vx dealer had sorted it.....and checked the veccy over for me as well.....took the bill back to orig dealer i bought it off and asked for part payment.....owner off garage had no prob with parting with £50.....which i thought was fair....seeing as i didnt ask him first if i could take it to vx to get it sorted

Quite amazed really vx dealer found the prob......but there you go  ::)