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Title: Oil siphon ??
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 20 February 2010, 11:31:55
Does anyone have any experience of these manual oil siphon pumps used to suck oil out of the dipstick pipe?

They are available fairly cheaply on ebay.

I'm thinking of doing a "fluid only" oil change on my company car as I don't think its right that the oil should last for 22k on a diesel before being changed.

Even changing it @ 10k is a lot longer than I'd like - but will be better than the full 22k being suggested by the car.

I was going to use GM semi synth - that should be ok shouldn't it in a Citroen C5 2.0 Hdi?

Thanks guys
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: tigers_gonads on 20 February 2010, 11:58:41
company car  :o

your call rob but personally i couldnt bother but if you must then just jack it up and dump it out of the sump  :y
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: waspy on 20 February 2010, 12:45:08
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company car  :o

your call rob but personally i couldnt bother but if you must then just jack it up and dump it out of the sump  :y

He probably doesn't have the correct tool for the plug. French cars are different to the norm. All the ones i've worked on are anyway :(
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: tunnie on 20 February 2010, 12:55:36
why fluid only, drain the sump and stick a new filter on too....
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: dbug on 20 February 2010, 15:29:50
If its a company car either get it changed at recommended service intervals or take it into a garage for an interim oil change and charge the cost on expenses  :-? :-? :-?
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: tunnie on 20 February 2010, 15:30:29
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If its a company car either get it changed at recommended service intervals or take it into a garage for an interim oil change and charge the cost on expenses  :-? :-? :-?

Or wait till it goes bang and ask for a new one  ;D
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: dbug on 20 February 2010, 15:33:07
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If its a company car either get it changed at recommended service intervals or take it into a garage for an interim oil change and charge the cost on expenses  :-? :-? :-?

Or wait till it goes bang and ask for a new one  ;D

 ;D :y
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 20 February 2010, 16:49:54
I dont agree with oil lasting 22k miles, so my reasons for changing the oil only are as follows:

1) There is a massive underengine tray to be removed

2) New cars are often fitted with a "marked" filter so that the dealer can tell if the filter is original. Wen it gets its first service at 22k at a dealership they would be able to tell of the filter had been changed - which may cause then to get ar*ey sbout it. Vauxhall did this  - orginal factory fitted filters were black.

3) It should be quick & easy to suck the oil out & then to pour in the same quantity of GM semi synth

4) Changing the oil only is bettr than no change at all I think.

So, thats my logic guys
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: tunnie on 20 February 2010, 17:08:34
If it was your own car, sure, but why bother when its a company car?
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 20 February 2010, 17:16:56
Because I spend several hours a day driving it and treat it like it's mine - that's why. I've done 10k in the car in 3 months.

I change the oil in the Omega every 3k & SWMBO's car mid way between services also.

If I was going to get it done by a dealer then I wouldnt bother TBH as the cost would be high, but as i've got a plentiful supply of good quality GM oil then surely it can only do good tor very little £.

Anyway, the point of my OP was for peoples experience of using siphon pumps rather than WHY I want to do it.
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: waspy on 20 February 2010, 19:12:40
I can see where you're coming from Robert. 22,000 is a massive amount between changes.
If i had a company vehicle i'd wana look after it too.
All the vans/trucks i've driven in the past have always had fluid level checks before the journey despite my colleagues comments of "it'll be fine just jump in & drive it" >:(
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: Andy B on 20 February 2010, 20:39:09
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Anyway, the point of my OP was for peoples experience of using siphon pumps rather than WHY I want to do it.

I'll let you know in a day or two when I've done an oil cahnge on SWMBO's Smart ..... it doesn't have a drain plug!  :-?  :-?  :-? I bought a litre one from Machine Mart.
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 20 February 2010, 22:20:53
I have the singing / dancing extraction pump from Pela. It's ace.

But... doesn't beat taking the sump plug out.

Company car? Rag it... blow it up.. get a new one  :D :y
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: Andy B on 20 February 2010, 22:22:09
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But... doesn't beat taking the sump plug out.

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Assuming one is fitted!  ::)  ;)  ;)  ;)  :y
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: tunnie on 20 February 2010, 22:24:56
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But... doesn't beat taking the sump plug out.

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Assuming one is fitted!  ::)  ;)  ;)  ;)  :y

Was the engine designer on the bog or something when they designed the oil sump? :-/  ;D

Worth making your own, take the sump off and put your own plug on?
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 20 February 2010, 22:25:37
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But... doesn't beat taking the sump plug out.

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Assuming one is fitted!  ::)  ;)  ;)  ;)  :y

Was the engine designer on the bog or something when they designed the oil sump? :-/  ;D

Worth making your own, take the sump off and put your own plug on?

If I owned it - then definately!
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: Lazydocker on 20 February 2010, 22:30:59
The "Premium" marques (BMW etc) don't remove the sum plug for servicing ::) ::) :o :o :-X :-X
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: Andy B on 20 February 2010, 22:46:35
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But... doesn't beat taking the sump plug out.

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Assuming one is fitted!  ::)  ;)  ;)  ;)  :y

Was the engine designer on the bog or something when they designed the oil sump? :-/  ;D

Worth making your own, take the sump off and put your own plug on?

There are after market sumps with a sump plug fitted.
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: MickAP on 21 February 2010, 00:48:37
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Because I spend several hours a day driving it and treat it like it's mine - that's why. I've done 10k in the car in 3 months.

I change the oil in the Omega every 3k & SWMBO's car mid way between services also.

If I was going to get it done by a dealer then I wouldnt bother TBH as the cost would be high, but as i've got a plentiful supply of good quality GM oil then surely it can only do good tor very little £.

Anyway, the point of my OP was for peoples experience of using siphon pumps rather than WHY I want to do it.

You asked a simple question, you know your not going to get a simple answer on here ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mick :y
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 21 February 2010, 09:30:55
Indeed
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 21 February 2010, 09:33:53
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Anyway, the point of my OP was for peoples experience of using siphon pumps rather than WHY I want to do it.

I'll let you know in a day or two when I've done an oil cahnge on SWMBO's Smart ..... it doesn't have a drain plug!  :-?  :-?  :-? I bought a litre one from Machine Mart.

Thanks Andy, I'll look forward to that. Do you have a part number from MM? Had a quick look & couldn't see anything obvious
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 09:39:17
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Anyway, the point of my OP was for peoples experience of using siphon pumps rather than WHY I want to do it.

I'll let you know in a day or two when I've done an oil cahnge on SWMBO's Smart ..... it doesn't have a drain plug!  :-?  :-?  :-? I bought a litre one from Machine Mart.

Thanks Andy, I'll look forward to that. Do you have a part number from MM? Had a quick look & couldn't see anything obvious

Pela oil & fluid extractor, order code 051716030
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/range/guid/234906BB-6E8E-4A19-9D13-6107D5B9C54D  :y  :y
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 21 February 2010, 09:50:25
Thanks Andy, its the 6L one that you have gone for? I think I put sYphon into the search thing on MM - that would explain it.

Quite a bit more ££ than the ebay ones, but one that should last methinks.

Interestingly, the Kwik Fit type places charge about £45 for an oil/filter change on our Focus TDCi, so after the first use this would have paid for itself.

I'd be really interested to hear how you get on with this.
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: Andy B on 21 February 2010, 09:53:08
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Thanks Andy, its the 6L one that you have gone for? I think I put sYphon into the search thing on MM - that would explain it.

Quite a bit more ££ than the ebay ones, but one that should last methinks.

Interestingly, the Kwik Fit type places charge about £45 for an oil/filter change on our Focus TDCi, so after the first use this would have paid for itself.

I'd be really interested to hear how you get on with this.

I went for the 6 litre just incase I ever wanted to do a lazy oil change on the Omega or Astra  ::)   ;)
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: Martin_1962 on 21 February 2010, 10:05:27
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Anyway, the point of my OP was for peoples experience of using siphon pumps rather than WHY I want to do it.

I'll let you know in a day or two when I've done an oil cahnge on SWMBO's Smart ..... it doesn't have a drain plug!  :-?  :-?  :-? I bought a litre one from Machine Mart.


Turn it upside down then ;D ;D
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: waspy on 21 February 2010, 12:10:18
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Anyway, the point of my OP was for peoples experience of using siphon pumps rather than WHY I want to do it.

I'll let you know in a day or two when I've done an oil cahnge on SWMBO's Smart ..... it doesn't have a drain plug!  :-?  :-?  :-? I bought a litre one from Machine Mart.


Turn it upside down then ;D ;D

Many already have been (Smart Tipping) ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Oil siphon ??
Post by: biggriffin on 21 February 2010, 22:37:03
its a company car. just check the levels topup as required then when its due for service send it in. merc trucks go 100k bfore oil n filter and so do dafs on synthetic.