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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: realboss7669 on 21 June 2007, 10:55:22
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Does anyone know the weight of a 3.0 V6 Vauxhall Omega engine? Also does anyone know the weight of a manual gearbox?
Why? you may ask. Its back to this Opel Rekord Coupe project of mine. JamesV6CDX has sorted my MV6 estate and I'm loving it. Its a filthy car (I mean that in a conceptual way 'filthy' as in Capri Ghia filthy rather than literally the car being dirty!), and now its on the road I feel more of a man. Oh yes, an MV6 ex-rozzer car does that to you. I have a fag burn in my seat, white patches all over the car where I've covered up rust attacks, the dashboard stereo and ashtray are all hanging out (as they were badly retro fitted), and the blower for the rear of the car is dangling down not to mention the back seats are a different colour than the fronts. But, underneath all of this is a fantastic power plant, driven by a man with a silly childlike grin on his face!
Due to this, and James suggesting the that a V8 Rover engine in the Opel would be what he'd choose, I am (to play on words), 'weighing' up the differences between the Rover V8 and the Omega V6 again!!!
Any advice or comments appreciated. The Rekord is a 1968 model like a mini-Dodge Charger in appearance, but bigger than the Opel Manta A-series. The chassis is roughly about the size of the Opel Monza so could handle a V8 as well as a V6. Like James said though, maybe the V8 would be more of a laugh, given its street presence (the sheer noise). I would probably LPG anything that goes into the Rekord anyway; got to do my bit for the environment.
Here is a link so you can see the shape of the car I have (second photo down shows a coupe):
http://www.philseed.com/oprekc.html
Cheers all! 8-) :y
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Weight is not as much as you would think....probably about 200Kg with the ancillaries (so much lighter than mentioned in MrMcB's add for his engine crane!).......Rover V8 is not far off the same.
Heres the issue though.....the Rover V8 is a little wider and unless you spend cash on it, less powerful.
3.0 V6 all the way for me......as the 5 speed manual box should be an easier fit and isnt made of chocolate like the LT's used on the V8....
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One thing to be said for the V8 is the erection stirring noise :o ;D
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One thing to be said for the V8 is the erection stirring noise :o ;D
Oh dear! I hope my missus isn't going to be borrowing it every 5 minutes then in order to get a free showcase! It certainly would create a stir when popping out for some bread and milk at the local supermarket!!
Marks DTM Calib thanks for you're valuable response too. Yes I will need to consider width of V8 engine and the gearbox etc. V8 does have that wonderful throaty roar that only V8's produce, but I actually love the V6's more subtle growl as well. Considering the power output and size etc, the V6 seems the logical choice, but a V8 is a filthy beast and what others see as a trip to the supermarket I will daydream as being a mad dash across the US like in Vanishing Point (damn good film if anyone hasnt seen it).
Hmmm, given me food for thought :-/
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For info, approx V8 bhp figures
3.5 - 160-190bhp (dependent on version, most were the lower power ones, higher power were the Vitesse engines)
3.9 - 188bhp (Range rover engine, basicaly 3950ish cc)
4.0 - 188bhp ish (Range rover engine, basicaly 3950ish cc but, cranka dn oil pump etc changed, slight block mods like cross bolts on mains)
4.2 - Rocking horse muck!
4.4 - 200bhp
4.6 - 222bhp (Stroked version of the 4.0)
5.0 - 340bhp (TVR engine)
All are fairly rough figures but, show its not an engine that produces much bhp per cc, it is good for torque though and hence why it eats the pre95 Range Rover gearboxes if taken off road....
And I havn't mentioned any of the specials like the twin plenum 3.5s either as you aint liekly to find one!
Note also with a Rover V8 engine, you are very likely to need to re-build it as there not hugely good at high mileage with cam, follower, timing chain, sprocket and valve gear wear being all to common.
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Thanks again Mark, I think that decides it for me in favour of the V6. That will mean my MV6 filth wagon will have to lay down its life for its elderly relative, but I will then source myself another Omega for my day to day driving as I love them. I will chuck the leftover shell of the Omega onto Ebay or something.
I have to say I am constantly amazed by this forum. For example I mention possible engine transplant and then Mark goes off in his own time and researches information for me. Amazing place! Thanks bud! :y
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Go for the V8, speak to Rupert here McDonald Landrover (http://www.mcdonaldlandroverengines.co.uk/)
They can tweak and tune at very reasonable rates.
Oh and the 90 on the front page is running a 4.6ltr V8 and goes like poo off a shiney shovel :)
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Yes, that will be the engine that I weighed. That will be the engine crane that I made a £1 profit on. That will be the engine that is 'not easy' to change, but was. ;)
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I take it you are referring to the V6 rather than the V8?!!! :-?
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Yes, that will be the engine that I weighed.
You lie like a cheap japanese watch! :y
That will be the engine that is 'not easy' to change, but was. ;)
Not a phrase I would ever use......as everybody here knows.....it cant be that easy or it would be finished ;D
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It is finished. I confirmed the wieght by having the Mrs on one end of a see saw, and the V6 on the other. She won.
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It is finished. I confirmed the wieght by having the Mrs on one end of a see saw, and the V6 on the other. She won.
I'll tell her....
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For info, approx V8 bhp figures
3.5 - 160-190bhp (dependent on version, most were the lower power ones, higher power were the Vitesse engines)
3.9 - 188bhp (Range rover engine, basicaly 3950ish cc)
4.0 - 188bhp ish (Range rover engine, basicaly 3950ish cc but, cranka dn oil pump etc changed, slight block mods like cross bolts on mains)
4.2 - Rocking horse muck!
4.4 - 200bhp
4.6 - 222bhp (Stroked version of the 4.0)
5.0 - 340bhp (TVR engine)
All are fairly rough figures but, show its not an engine that produces much bhp per cc, it is good for torque though and hence why it eats the pre95 Range Rover gearboxes if taken off road....
And I havn't mentioned any of the specials like the twin plenum 3.5s either as you aint liekly to find one!
Note also with a Rover V8 engine, you are very likely to need to re-build it as there not hugely good at high mileage with cam, follower, timing chain, sprocket and valve gear wear being all to common.
I know where there is one possibly two for grabs, i have a feeling the guys isn't clued up as to what he has, they both have huge mileage on them and the cars they came out of looked like they had been to the moon and back at least twice
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That will be the engine that is 'not easy' to change, but was. ;)
Not a phrase I would ever use......as everybody here knows.....it cant be that easy or it would be finished ;D
Bit like the LPG project then ;D
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That will be the engine that is 'not easy' to change, but was. ;)
Not a phrase I would ever use......as everybody here knows.....it cant be that easy or it would be finished ;D
Bit like the LPG project then ;D
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won't a chevorlet engine fit ,monaro is basically a corvette v8 is it not,don't know about the weight though :y :y :y
wasn't the opel reckord a bit like the vauxhall victor,i can remember my dad having two victors,one which had collum change fantastic :y
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I know where there is one possibly two for grabs, i have a feeling the guys isn't clued up as to what he has, they both have huge mileage on them and the cars they came out of looked like they had been to the moon and back at least twice
Well I'll have one of them then....
Lets add another consideration to the pot...
A V8 is fairly cheap to get hold of but, by the time its re-built and with a small amount of tuning your talking a grand.....you then need a gearbox etc to.....not easy to get for these....
An american V8 is not easy to get and the ones of choice are mega bucks (many housands) adn again you need the gearbox.
A 3.0 manual Omega can be got for a couple of hundred quid and you have everything you need sat waiting to be transfered over.......
So it wins on cost to.
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I know where there is one possibly two for grabs, i have a feeling the guys isn't clued up as to what he has, they both have huge mileage on them and the cars they came out of looked like they had been to the moon and back at least twice
Well I'll have one of them then....
Lets add another consideration to the pot...
A V8 is fairly cheap to get hold of but, by the time its re-built and with a small amount of tuning your talking a grand.....you then need a gearbox etc to.....not easy to get for these....
An american V8 is not easy to get and the ones of choice are mega bucks (many housands) adn again you need the gearbox.
A 3.0 manual Omega can be got for a couple of hundred quid and you have everything you need sat waiting to be transfered over.......
So it wins on cost to.
let me confirm this......
the guy has two SDi vitesses, both c or d reg and the inlet set up is slightly different in that instead of having one inlet it has the two that go into the chamber and effectively two throttle bodies rather than a single
if thats a twin plenium then i am sure that is what he has there
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depending on your bugget i would go for the v8 because the car looks nice and old and i would love to see the look on some tw*ts face in his excort when you leve him standing at the lights and everyone looking because off the v8 rumble lol
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I know where there is one possibly two for grabs, i have a feeling the guys isn't clued up as to what he has, they both have huge mileage on them and the cars they came out of looked like they had been to the moon and back at least twice
Well I'll have one of them then....
Lets add another consideration to the pot...
A V8 is fairly cheap to get hold of but, by the time its re-built and with a small amount of tuning your talking a grand.....you then need a gearbox etc to.....not easy to get for these....
An american V8 is not easy to get and the ones of choice are mega bucks (many housands) adn again you need the gearbox.
A 3.0 manual Omega can be got for a couple of hundred quid and you have everything you need sat waiting to be transfered over.......
So it wins on cost to.
let me confirm this......
the guy has two SDi vitesses, both c or d reg and the inlet set up is slightly different in that instead of having one inlet it has the two that go into the chamber and effectively two throttle bodies rather than a single
if thats a twin plenium then i am sure that is what he has there
That is indeed a twin plenum....
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Technical issues aside, I think as the car is an Opel there'd be a certain amount of charm attached to keeping it in the family and using the Vauxhall engine.
When you look at the technical nitty gritty the Rover V8 is a pretty ancient engine by modern standards but it is a very commonly used engine and therefore they are plenty of people who have trod the path before and plenty of parts available for tuning, etc.
You can also just slap a carb and a distributor on it and it'll run.
The Vauxhall engine has no provision for a distributor (quite rightly so for a modern engine) and I doubt you will find anyone making a manifold to fit a carb to it. So, your engine management is going to be more complex. However, I personally wouldn't build an engine using carbs or a conventional distributor these days. The benefits of mapped ignition and fuel injection are just too great and it's not that expensive or difficult to do. With care, you could probably re-use the original ECU but you'll have a lot of work to do keeping it happy when devices that it's used to controlling have gone. I'd probably go for an ECU you can map yourself, perhaps a Megasquirt or Emerald.
I find the Rover V8 is a very lazy feeling engine to drive, as well. Don't get me wrong, it's a powerful engine but whilst it generates huge torque from idle speed upwards it doesn't really thrive on revs, even when mildly tuned. It's got great characteristics for a heavy, cruising car but personally I prefer an engine that likes to rev a little more. I think the Vauxhall V6 would be a better bet in this respect.
If the Vauxhall engine will give you enough power and you aren't going to want to tune it much above standard then go for it. If you're going to want silly power you'd be better off dropping in a V8 that will produce it out of the crate IMO, or at least one that's well supported by suppliers of tuning bits.
Kevin
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P.S..
If anyone does get the opportunity to weigh a V6 please can you post your results?
I keep getting indecent thoughts about dropping one into my Westfield ;D
Kevin
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Technical issues aside, I think as the car is an Opel there'd be a certain amount of charm attached to keeping it in the family and using the Vauxhall engine.
GM - well the Rover V8 is ex GM :o
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GM - well the Rover V8 is ex GM
So it is.. :-[
Well, then. There's heritage in both options, for what it's worth!
Kevin
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There is pretty much no GM left in it.....massivly changed from the 215...
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rover v8 is based on old buick engine isn't it,rover p5 b,b stud for buick(excuse the spelling) :y :y :y
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Wow thanks for all the helpful replies!
Hmmm, I'm going to print off this thread and sit down and think it over slowly. Then I'm going to open a beer and think some more. :-/
This is a big decision. V8 would be nice as the car will be black and is reminiscent of the Dodge Charger, but V6 is more economical and modern.
Thanks so much for the help! :y
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This is a big decision. V8 would be nice as the car will be black and is reminiscent of the Dodge Charger, but V6 is more economical and modern.
And different
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This is a big decision. V8 would be nice as the car will be black and is reminiscent of the Dodge Charger, but V6 is more economical and modern.
And different
Yeah I agree. I like the V6 because you still get a wonderful deep engine rasp but its a little more subtle. Having said that I cant remember the last time i saw (heard) a Rover V8 coming up the road.
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This is a big decision. V8 would be nice as the car will be black and is reminiscent of the Dodge Charger, but V6 is more economical and modern.
And different
Yeah I agree. I like the V6 because you still get a wonderful deep engine rasp but its a little more subtle. Having said that I cant remember the last time i saw (heard) a Rover V8 coming up the road.
Last time was about 3 weeks ago in a Land Rover at Calor