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Title: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Vamps on 19 July 2010, 23:00:23
Found a Potential 2.5TD CDX, but with leather, older car than I wanted, but!!! and a member would buy the leather seats, and change them over while I supervised :D :D thing is, doing a comparison is a Diesel really worth it :-/ :-/
According to Auto Trader fuel consumption;

Petrol, 2.2L combined 28, Urban 19. Ex Urban 38.7
Diesel, 31, 22,40

Our 2.0l Omega does more that 28 running around so what are the real advantages?
To me it may well be the diference between going to Wakefield or Holmfirth to look at cars
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: zirk on 19 July 2010, 23:29:34
Diesels will do good MPG all day long, my 2.5TD Manual averages about 35 around London and 45 to 50 on a Motorway if cruised at 75 mph, no contest.
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Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Vamps on 19 July 2010, 23:39:08
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Diesels will do good MPG all day long, my 2.5TD Manual averages about 35 around London and 45 to 50 on a Motorway if cruised at 75 mph, no contest.
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Is it very sluggish? I am no Boy Racer but want a bit of pace :y
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: zirk on 19 July 2010, 23:48:30
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Diesels will do good MPG all day long, my 2.5TD Manual averages about 35 around London and 45 to 50 on a Motorway if cruised at 75 mph, no contest.
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Is it very sluggish? I am no Boy Racer but want a bit of pace :y

No, not really, slow compared to an old BM 325 SE I use to own, but go for a manual 2.5TD all day long, Auto's can have a habit of dragging there heals, Manuals can be chipped well worth the extra 70 quid in my book, you will love the sound they make when revved.
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Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: tunnie on 20 July 2010, 08:41:24
whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: r1 on 20 July 2010, 18:38:58
dont forget the diffrence in the cost of fuel.
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Vamps on 20 July 2010, 20:24:25
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Vamps on 20 July 2010, 20:25:21
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dont forget the diffrence in the cost of fuel.

Not much of a difference is there? :-/
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: CaptainZok on 20 July 2010, 20:26:24
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Where do you commute to the moon? ;D
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: zirk on 20 July 2010, 20:31:52
Think on that milage per year I would be looking at LPG.
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Vamps on 20 July 2010, 20:40:11
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Where do you commute to the moon? ;D

 :o :o You nearly made me think too many '0' Only about average miles, not all commute, most is running around the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees for work
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Post by: CaptainZok on 20 July 2010, 20:43:36
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Where do you commute to the moon? ;D

 :o :o You nearly made me think too many '0' Only about average miles, not all commute, most is running around the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees for work
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15000000 miles a year? You must be doing more mileage that the Stockton bus fleet. ;D
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Vamps on 20 July 2010, 21:40:52
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Where do you commute to the moon? ;D

 :o :o You nearly made me think too many '0' Only about average miles, not all commute, most is running around the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees for work
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15000000 miles a year? You must be doing more mileage that the Stockton bus fleet. ;D

Yeh OK, noticed it :-[ 15000 miles :P :P :P
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: tunnie on 20 July 2010, 21:46:13
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Where do you commute to the moon? ;D

 :o :o You nearly made me think too many '0' Only about average miles, not all commute, most is running around the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees for work
 :y
15000000 miles a year? You must be doing more mileage that the Stockton bus fleet. ;D

Yeh OK, noticed it :-[ 15000 miles :P :P :P

Slacker i'm on target for 30k miles this year  :o

10k a year is about the break even point so with 15k its gunna be worth a diesel for you.

I'd consider Ford Mondeo with you budget, going to be much more reliable than anything french  :y
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Vamps on 20 July 2010, 21:49:44
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Where do you commute to the moon? ;D

 :o :o You nearly made me think too many '0' Only about average miles, not all commute, most is running around the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees for work
 :y
15000000 miles a year? You must be doing more mileage that the Stockton bus fleet. ;D

Yeh OK, noticed it :-[ 15000 miles :P :P :P

Slacker i'm on target for 30k miles this year  :o

10k a year is about the break even point so with 15k its gunna be worth a diesel for you.

I'd consider Ford Mondeo with you budget, going to be much more reliable than anything french  :y

Funnily enough :) looks like I am going to view a 2.5TD on saturday, the same garage has a Mondeo with a cdti engine, got to be worth a look :y
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: TheBoy on 20 July 2010, 21:51:18
Keep a very regular eye on Ford TDCi oil levels, any hint of it rising, don't use the car until all the injectors have been replaced.
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Omegatoy on 20 July 2010, 21:58:51
and the dmf fail with monotonous regularity!!!
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Andy B on 20 July 2010, 22:01:41
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and the dmf fail with monotonous regularity!!!

IIRC Mike is a convert to two pedals  :y  :y  :y  :y
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: TheBoy on 20 July 2010, 22:01:57
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and the dmf fail with monotonous regularity!!!
As will the clutch, in between DMFs...  ...on the upside, I seem to recall Mundano DMFs being only around ££400?
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Vamps on 20 July 2010, 22:08:06
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and the dmf fail with monotonous regularity!!!

IIRC Mike is a convert to two pedals  :y  :y  :y  :y

Indeed Andy, I have wrestled with this decision recently as Manual cars are far more common, but I know I would regret a move to a manual in the longer term, particularly work wise
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Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: tunnie on 20 July 2010, 22:18:49
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Where do you commute to the moon? ;D

 :o :o You nearly made me think too many '0' Only about average miles, not all commute, most is running around the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees for work
 :y
15000000 miles a year? You must be doing more mileage that the Stockton bus fleet. ;D

Yeh OK, noticed it :-[ 15000 miles :P :P :P

Slacker i'm on target for 30k miles this year  :o

10k a year is about the break even point so with 15k its gunna be worth a diesel for you.

I'd consider Ford Mondeo with you budget, going to be much more reliable than anything french  :y

Funnily enough :) looks like I am going to view a 2.5TD on saturday, the same garage has a Mondeo with a cdti engine, got to be worth a look :y

TDCI in those, not CDTI  :P

Engine wise has 110bhp and 130 bhp versions from 2.0, i *believe* its just engine management for the increase.

There is a 2.2 TDCI which pushes out 150bhp, i prefer the looks of Mondeo, but i would go Veccy C i feel, due to service costs thanks to Trade club
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: Vamps on 20 July 2010, 23:23:00
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Where do you commute to the moon? ;D

 :o :o You nearly made me think too many '0' Only about average miles, not all commute, most is running around the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees for work
 :y
15000000 miles a year? You must be doing more mileage that the Stockton bus fleet. ;D

Yeh OK, noticed it :-[ 15000 miles :P :P :P

Slacker i'm on target for 30k miles this year  :o

10k a year is about the break even point so with 15k its gunna be worth a diesel for you.

I'd consider Ford Mondeo with you budget, going to be much more reliable than anything french  :y

Funnily enough :) looks like I am going to view a 2.5TD on saturday, the same garage has a Mondeo with a cdti engine, got to be worth a look :y

TDCI in those, not CDTI  :P

Engine wise has 110bhp and 130 bhp versions from 2.0, i *believe* its just engine management for the increase.

There is a 2.2 TDCI which pushes out 150bhp, i prefer the looks of Mondeo, but i would go Veccy C i feel, due to service costs thanks to Trade club

That's Dyslexia for you...... :P
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: 05omegav6 on 21 July 2010, 00:42:03
for reference, my 3.2 manual averages 24mpg as a taxi. :-/ longer runs ie horsham to norwich, 31 is more like it. :) p.s i do 65-70k miles a year. :o
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: OMEEEGAH on 21 July 2010, 01:04:15
mondeo diesels 01 on watch out fo suspension rear bushes pumps and the dual mass as said also the injectors need coding on some and thats a killer financially.

my mate  a few months ago at our local garage had a clutch kit,dmf and the starter was nackered too because the flywheel nackered it.
total cost inc the vat and fitting just shy of 900 quid ouch and thats way to dear in my book.
the earlier mondeos were capeable of huge miles without chucking there hands in but the later ones no chance  ::)

i don't see mentioned that the Omeeega diesels run on cheep bio no probs and i know people spending very little on it.
50 p a litre i have heard of if you know the right people but bio costs me about 20p less than regular derv on a petrol forecourt.  every little helps  :P
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: feeutfo on 21 July 2010, 03:06:37
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whats your mileage like? Its only worth paying the premium for a diesel if you do big miles. If you just bumble around town, something thats £500 more for a diesel is going to take its time paying the difference back

I average around 15000k a year...... :)
Where do you commute to the moon? ;D

 :o :o You nearly made me think too many '0' Only about average miles, not all commute, most is running around the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees for work
 :y
15000000 miles a year? You must be doing more mileage that the Stockton bus fleet. ;D

Yeh OK, noticed it :-[ 15000 miles :P :P :P

Slacker i'm on target for 30k miles this year  :o

10k a year is about the break even point so with 15k its gunna be worth a diesel for you.

I'd consider Ford Mondeo with you budget, going to be much more reliable than anything french  :y

Funnily enough :) looks like I am going to view a 2.5TD on saturday, the same garage has a Mondeo with a cdti engine, got to be worth a look :y
Mondeo won't last half as long as an omega IMO. Had a petrol 2.0. Worn out by 100k

Vamps needs to accept the way forward is LPG omega.
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: SeedyV6 on 21 July 2010, 07:31:16
It's got to be down to how you drive it and maintain it. My neighbour has just got rid of a '05 2.0 diesel mondeo estate he has been taxiing and that had 325k on the clock. It's only the last 12 months that oily bits have started to be replaced hence the reason to get rid. aside from that it has been the usual servicing and consumables.

My father recently picked up an '06 2.0 diesel that he uses for his commute. cruising at 85 he sees 40.9mpg on the computer..... not too bad surely?

Personally, i think diesels should be left to commercial vehicles. (Sorry tractor boys  ;D) Get a V6 auto mig with LPG and you'll have everything you need  :y
Title: Re: Diesel V Petrol
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 July 2010, 09:13:47
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It's got to be down to how you drive it and maintain it. My neighbour has just got rid of a '05 2.0 diesel mondeo estate he has been taxiing and that had 325k on the clock. It's only the last 12 months that oily bits have started to be replaced hence the reason to get rid. aside from that it has been the usual servicing and consumables.

My father recently picked up an '06 2.0 diesel that he uses for his commute. cruising at 85 he sees 40.9mpg on the computer..... not too bad surely?

Personally, i think diesels should be left to commercial vehicles. (Sorry tractor boys  ;D) Get a V6 auto mig with LPG and you'll have everything you need  :y

agreed..
you pay more when you buy,
parts are expensive.. imo repairs are complex ..

if you need fuel economy , buy a four pot with lpg..