Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: elite col on 23 July 2010, 21:26:20
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my only big issue with the car is the steering is crap,massive turning circle,i know its a big car but when giving it some against another car i couldnt even see the rev counter when slight turn on the wheel
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my only big issue with the car is the steering is crap,massive turning circle,i know its a big car but when giving it some against another car i couldnt even see the rev counter when slight turn on the wheel
Lol, its actualy a small turning circle....just over 10m...which is less than a Mondeo and many other cars.
Hence I guess you dont actualy mean the turning circle :y
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massive turning circle? These 2 ton huge beasts turn tighter than a Ford Fiesta!
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And they dont have racks either :y
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I 2nd that the omega is pretty good compared to other similar sized car turning circles
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Omega is extremely nimble when manouvered. I have beaten numerous 4x4's on manouvering tests with a 'van on the back. Turning circle is very good.
The Steering inputs may be a little large lock-to-lock but the power steering weight and response makes it a very easy car to handle at all speeds, but especially at low speeds IMHO
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on the subject of seeing the dials, i have no problem seeing them at all times, even when parming the wheel to a full lock. Also i suggest you look at the road rather than rev counter ::)
You ears should tell you when to change if you have a manual!
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Elite Col, do you have an adjustable steering column?
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Elite Col, do you have an adjustable steering column?
or/and height adjustable seats.
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if he cant see the dials he hasnt adjusted his driving position correctly. :D
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If he thinks an Omega's 'rack' is crap, he should have had a go in an 827 Rover. They needed a football field to turn around in
.... FWD doesn't help! ;)
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If he thinks an Omega's 'rack' is crap, he should have had a go in an 827 Rover. They needed a football field to turn around in
.... FWD doesn't help! ;)
.. and they need both lanes clear on the M54 to cruise at a hundred and <mumble> MPH, such is the directional stability. ::) So I'm told. ;)
Kevin
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If he thinks an Omega's 'rack' is crap, he should have had a go in an 827 Rover. They needed a football field to turn around in
.... FWD doesn't help! ;)
Possibly the best car I have ever owned..... :y
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i thought rovers disintegrated above 31 mph, or is it just the beige ones :-/
if you cant turn the car in its own length, either your traction control needs turning off, or you drive a 2.0 8v. :D
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I used to run an 827 vitesse and no stability issues,didn't handle like a mig but would eat it in a straight line,engine was a gem :y
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If you believe the turning circle on the Omega is insufficient, just turn it in the direction you want it to turn in and apply full throttle to throw the back end round! :D :D ;) ;)
You will turn even more tightly then! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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I kinda agree.
though the turning circle is adequate, the steering feel is laughably poor, clearly the worst feature of the car.
and don't even get me started on the Servotronic system.
I find it takes a LOT of work to get an Omega steering adjusted anywhere near right.
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I used to run an 827 vitesse and no stability issues,didn't handle like a mig but would eat it in a straight line,engine was a gem :y
Lighter and shorter than a Mig but, performance figures are on a par with the 3.0 (although engine output is closer to that of the 2.5)
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same position full turn, Omega turns shorter than the clit.. tested.. :o ;D
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thought a rear wheel drive will out turn a front wheel drive due to the lack of drive shafts inhibiting full lock in the steering/hub components.....
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If you believe the turning circle on the Omega is insufficient, just turn it in the direction you want it to turn in and apply full throttle to throw the back end round! :D :D ;) ;)
You will turn even more tightly then! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Thats the only way, seeing as the handbrake isn't up for much ::)
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hand brake technique is ok but for front wheel drives..
for a rear wheel as Lizzie said : steering full turn, right foot out of the bonnet ;D
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i thought rovers disintegrated above 31 mph, or is it just the beige ones :-/
if you cant turn the car in its own length, either your traction control needs turning off, or you drive a 2.0 8v. :D
Does TC on or off affect the turning circle then????
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i thought rovers disintegrated above 31 mph, or is it just the beige ones :-/
if you cant turn the car in its own length, either your traction control needs turning off, or you drive a 2.0 8v. :D
Does TC on or off affect the turning circle then????
Only with Ditchfinders on the back in the rain.
Kevin
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;D ;D lizzies' method works best with tc turned off. as kevin said, with cheap tyres it's a lot less scary in the wet if you leave the tc on. drive a 3.2 on a frosty morning with the tc off and you'll soon see how good the tc is. :o
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sorry yeah never meant for parking,i just mean its an easy half turn on the wheel for very small manouvers
as for not being able to see the clocks,i was taking a very small bend in the road full throttle in 2nd and as i was about to straigten up ,thats when i couldnt see clocks for the huge airbag lol
i can certainly see my cossie reaching 8k no matter where the wheel is
why have a steering box over a rack anyway?
+i used to have an x police 827i manual years ago,fwd i know but rapid on a cold morning,shame about the gearbox
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No room for the rack with a v engine ? Maybe?
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sorry yeah never meant for parking,i just mean its an easy half turn on the wheel for very small manouvers
as for not being able to see the clocks,i was taking a very small bend in the road full throttle in 2nd and as i was about to straigten up ,thats when i couldnt see clocks for the huge airbag lol
i can certainly see my cossie reaching 8k no matter where the wheel is
why have a steering box over a rack anyway?
+i used to have an x police 827i manual years ago,fwd i know but rapid on a cold morning,shame about the gearbox
I lot of exec cars (and a lot of sports cars) use steering boxes. A lot of small, cheap, nasty cars use racks.... ;)
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sorry yeah never meant for parking,i just mean its an easy half turn on the wheel for very small manouvers
as for not being able to see the clocks,i was taking a very small bend in the road full throttle in 2nd and as i was about to straigten up ,thats when i couldnt see clocks for the huge airbag lol
i can certainly see my cossie reaching 8k no matter where the wheel is
why have a steering box over a rack anyway?
+i used to have an x police 827i manual years ago,fwd i know but rapid on a cold morning,shame about the gearbox
More reliable, stronger and allows the wheels to move further and properly.
To be fair, they don't wear out as quickly as racks either ;) ;)
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agreed - steering boxes are stronger and last longer, plus they can usually be packaged easier under the bonnet.
BUT, they never have as good steering feel as a rack, and for me at least, that outweighs all the other things considerably.
I have as good a comparison as its possible to get in the Omega and the Holden - almost identical cars, yet steering feel on the Holden is very good - straight out of the box. Compare that to the Omega, indeed any Omega and I've got to spend a half a day to get the steering adjusted to the best it can be and this is still nowhere near as good as a rack.
Older-style exec. cars use boxes, usually for "historic" reasons.
can't think of a sports car that uses a steering box, mind. Maybe you've already thought of some.....?
best-handling cars in any segment always have racks. Think of Lotus Elan (both types), Peugeot 205 GTi, Honda NS-X, Mazda MX-5, Jaguar XJR.
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I have never had a problem with the turning of the Omega? maybe try turning the the round thing in front of you!!
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I have never had a problem with the turning of the Omega? maybe try turning the the round thing in front of you!!
you ever tried driving the car at full pelt mate?
ive got a 512bhp rwd cosworth,that doesnt even get full traction until 3rd gear,and i find it more predictable than the steering on the omega
but it does have a fast rack,thing is ive had a fair few cars like the omega in the past ie 24v carlton gsi manual,827i manual etc and none i felt were like the omegas laziness when turning in
from other replies i agree rack is best
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I have never had a problem with the turning of the Omega? maybe try turning the the round thing in front of you!!
you ever tried driving the car at full pelt mate?
ive got a 512bhp rwd cosworth,that doesnt even get full traction until 3rd gear,and i find it more predictable than the steering on the omega
but it does have a fast rack,thing is ive had a fair few cars like the omega in the past ie 24v carlton gsi manual,827i manual etc and none i felt were like the omegas laziness when turning in
from other replies i agree rack is best
what year is the Omega ? some faceelift cars have revised servotronic settings, I always feel that they're improved by removing the control unit.
earlier cars are less "keen" in the assistance department.
for reference, a later car with the servotronic module unplugged is identical to a Carlton GSi, apart perhaps from the tyre size.
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The assistance can be 'adjusted' via tech 2 on the servotronic setups (3 settings, standard setting appears to be minimal assist)
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The assistance can be 'adjusted' via tech 2 on the servotronic setups (3 settings, standard setting appears to be minimal assist)
Ooh-er - must try this
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The assistance can be 'adjusted' via tech 2 on the servotronic setups (3 settings, standard setting appears to be minimal assist)
Ooh-er - must try this
Can do next time you're down this way :y
Kevin
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I should add mine was on the middle of the 3 settings and changing to minimum was certainly an improvement.
Kevin
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hi mine is a 2000 w-reg
how much are these tech 2`s to buy?
thanks for replies
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hi mine is a 2000 w-reg
how much are these tech 2`s to buy?
thanks for replies
One here...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TECH-2-COMPLETE-KIT-COMPLTELY-GENUINE-INC-EXTRAS-/260615941522?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item3cadebad92
;)
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hi mine is a 2000 w-reg
how much are these tech 2`s to buy?
thanks for replies
One here...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TECH-2-COMPLETE-KIT-COMPLTELY-GENUINE-INC-EXTRAS-/260615941522?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item3cadebad92
;)
Looks to be quite a good deal actually :y
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The assistance can be 'adjusted' via tech 2 on the servotronic setups (3 settings, standard setting appears to be minimal assist)
Iirc we discussed this at the rolling road day, on mine, minimum assist was the original and best setting, was checked with tech2.
So less assist again with servo tronic relay removed? That was far too heavy on my 2.5 when the the relay failed. Had to pull the steering back straight when pulling out of junctions I'm fairly sure?
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ha ha ha,my car never cost me that
might just get someone with 1 to adjust mine
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ha ha ha,my car never cost me that
might just get someone with 1 to adjust mine
Indeed, they aren't cheap :'(