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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Vamps on 28 July 2010, 21:01:31
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This seems reasonable and would pay for itself in a little over a year :y
I know I could do it myself but neither Phil nor myself are in the best of health for crawling in, out and under a car :-/ :-/
BRC Multipoint Sequential system, price list:
Model – omega 2.2, 4 cylinder
£1295 + Vat
Your conversion package includes:
· World leading BRC multipoint sequential system, approved by most insurance companies.
· 2 Year parts and labour warranty
· Courtesy car (subject to insurance)
· Largest most suitable Ring tank or Cylinder.
· LPGA certificate.
· Free 1000 mile check.
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Go DIY do not let anyone fit it....
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
Just ask that bit, don't give them any clues. :y
And ask to see one of their installs.
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
Just ask that bit, don't give them any clues. :y
And ask to see one of their installs.
Good point, they may just say 'yeh'
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
Just ask that bit, don't give them any clues. :y
And ask to see one of their installs.
I take it the manifold should be removed, presumably to avoid any shavings entering the engine... :-/
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
Just ask that bit, don't give them any clues. :y
And ask to see one of their installs.
I take it the manifold should be removed, presumably to avoid any shavings entering the engine... :-/
Yup, otherwise contents goes in, gets stuck under the lifters. I strongly advise you to go DIY route with help of forum, seen too many bodged 'professional' installs
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Why not be a bit subtle and ask if the quote includes replacement manifold gakets?
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
Just ask that bit, don't give them any clues. :y
And ask to see one of their installs.
I take it the manifold should be removed, presumably to avoid any shavings entering the engine... :-/
Yup, otherwise contents goes in, gets stuck under the lifters. I strongly advise you to go DIY route with help of forum, seen too many bodged 'professional' installs
I am listening Tunnie, but it is a proper installer, perhaps I might ask for testimonials..... :-/
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Mike, PM sent! ;)
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
Just ask that bit, don't give them any clues. :y
And ask to see one of their installs.
I take it the manifold should be removed, presumably to avoid any shavings entering the engine... :-/
Yup, otherwise contents goes in, gets stuck under the lifters. I strongly advise you to go DIY route with help of forum, seen too many bodged 'professional' installs
Nah...it would enter the combustion chamber and may jam on a valve seat or score the bore
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
Just ask that bit, don't give them any clues. :y
And ask to see one of their installs.
I take it the manifold should be removed, presumably to avoid any shavings entering the engine... :-/
Yup, otherwise contents goes in, gets stuck under the lifters. I strongly advise you to go DIY route with help of forum, seen too many bodged 'professional' installs
I am listening Tunnie, but it is a proper installer, perhaps I might ask for testimonials..... :-/
Sorry don't mean to cause any offense. :y
I just remember an old member Danny getting this 3.0 LPG'd by a 'professional' garage, and it was just appalling!!
Testimonials can not tell the truth they can just say 'ohh they are brilliant, they looked after me and car runs great' when the actual install could still be very poor.
Ask to see one thats been done, take lots of photos and post them up here :y
Just remember you can DIY for less than half the price you have been quoted! I paid for members hotel accommodation for 2 nights, plus food and such, but still came out much less than you've been quoted.
Mine was expensive and cost around £650-700, you can do it for £500 :y
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
Just ask that bit, don't give them any clues. :y
And ask to see one of their installs.
I take it the manifold should be removed, presumably to avoid any shavings entering the engine... :-/
Yup, otherwise contents goes in, gets stuck under the lifters. I strongly advise you to go DIY route with help of forum, seen too many bodged 'professional' installs
Nah...it would enter the combustion chamber and may jam on a valve seat or score the bore
Thought (on V6) it would work it way up to the valves :-/ Ahh well :) :y
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Mike, PM sent! ;)
Replied....... :y
Looks like I will be looking towards a DIY Job, better get reading the guides.... :D :D
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To get stuck under the lifters/followers it would need to get into the cam area :y
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ring them back, and ask them. 'How do you drill & tap injectors into the manifold, is it removed?'
Just ask that bit, don't give them any clues. :y
And ask to see one of their installs.
I take it the manifold should be removed, presumably to avoid any shavings entering the engine... :-/
Yup, otherwise contents goes in, gets stuck under the lifters. I strongly advise you to go DIY route with help of forum, seen too many bodged 'professional' installs
Nah...it would enter the combustion chamber and may jam on a valve seat or score the bore
Thought (on V6) it would work it way up to the valves :-/ Ahh well :) :y
Only if it could squeeze between valve head and head, then between valve stems and the valve guides, get past the stem seals, then it could get into oil, and possibly end up in lifters. Or if it could get past piston rings.
;D ;D
BUT, you're right, you don't want that in the cylinders doing damage....
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With members such as;
Tunnie, Paul (Lazydocker), TB, Chrisgixer, Kevin Wood who all have varying expertise with LPG if I wanted to LPG an Omega I would only ever consider allowing OOF members near it. As Tunnie said, he paid for members accomodation, but you get a job done properly, and the fact you know it's done properly can be a great comfort...and not to mention it'll work out considerably cheaper than a 'proffesional' garage.
I avoid all LPG cars like the plague, just too much of a risk...but if I knew it'd been done by an OOF member, there would then be no risk involved.
I've seen Tunnie's 2.2, and it is a very very tidy set up, when looking at the engine...if you weren't familiar with the 2.2 and Omega's you probably wouldn't notice it even had it.
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Thanks Josh :-[ :-[
As said... I wouldn't allow many "Professional" places near a car to fit LPG. There are some very good installers about but there are also an awful lot who just bodge it! >:( >:(
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Had another email today and they refer to 'Flash Lube' as gas does not have the same protective factors as petrol.
Now I know this can be an issue, I was driving lpg vehicles in the early 80's my company landrover was fine but the valves went on the boss's Austin Princess.
What is the situation with the Omega please
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Had another email today and they refer to 'Flash Lube' as gas does not have the same protective factors as petrol.
Now I know this can be an issue, I was driving lpg vehicles in the early 80's my company landrover was fine but the valves went on the boss's Austin Princess.
What is the situation with the Omega please
Well i've done 10k in 3 months without issue!
LPG burns at a higher temp than petrol, only possible thing is it could cause HG to fail earlier due to the heat, but as long as coolant servicing is good, nothing really to worry about. Certainly don't need to worry about valves :y
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Flashlube isn't needed on an Omega because the valve seats are hard enough. It is used because LPG is a "Dry" fuel and doesn't have the additives and lubrication of petrol.
As Tunnie says, LPG does burn hotter but that's got nowt to do with Flashlube :y
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Entwood, who is on hols I believe, has flash lube fitted, but only as it's part of the kit he paid for so they stuck it on anyway, but as said it is not needed, and is not delivered as part of the kit from Tilo. None of the oof installs have it fitted Afaik.
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So,
if anyone were to go for a V6 kit.
Whats the best, why is it the best,
whats the approx cost of a kit and how long is it reckoned to take.
TIA. :y
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So,
if anyone were to go for a V6 kit.
Whats the best, why is it the best,
whats the approx cost of a kit and how long is it reckoned to take.
TIA. :y
Three of us almost did TB's in 2 days, until we ran into a coincidental lifter issue.
2 weekends is reasonable diy on your own, plus set up and cert on top.
Tilo uses stag 3000 kit. Slight issue with lag on some gear changes when pressing on but it's good enough and works well otherwise.
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Should add a lot of research needed to be sure where to put stuff and how to go about it though.
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So,
if anyone were to go for a V6 kit.
Whats the best, why is it the best,
whats the approx cost of a kit and how long is it reckoned to take.
TIA. :y
Three of us almost did TB's in 2 days, until we ran into a coincidental lifter issue.
2 weekends is reasonable diy on your own, plus set up and cert on top.
Tilo uses stag 3000 kit. Slight issue with lag on some gear changes when pressing on but it's good enough and works well otherwise.
That reminds me ::)
Having seen the level and amount of work needed, i'd say 2.5-3 days, all going well.
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£1295, Not bad! I was quoted £1725 for 1999 2.0. :o
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So,
if anyone were to go for a V6 kit.
Whats the best, why is it the best,
whats the approx cost of a kit and how long is it reckoned to take.
TIA. :y
Three of us almost did TB's in 2 days, until we ran into a coincidental lifter issue.
2 weekends is reasonable diy on your own, plus set up and cert on top.
Tilo uses stag 3000 kit. Slight issue with lag on some gear changes when pressing on but it's good enough and works well otherwise.
We would have completed it as well, only final wiring to go before it all went Pete Tong.
But I think its fair to say, its too much in a weekend in all fairness...
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I wonder if the next one can be done in 2 days ::)
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I wonder if the next one can be done in 2 days ::)
You only have one fully working car is that wise? ;D
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I wonder if the next one can be done in 2 days ::)
You only have one fully working car is that wise? ;D
I currently have NO fully working cars ;)
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I wonder if the next one can be done in 2 days ::)
Tunnie's was about 2 and a half days by the time we'd finished calibrating and mapping it... But we didn't exactly rush ::)
As said in the other thread... If shifts allow I'm willing to lend a hand :y
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I wonder if the next one can be done in 2 days ::)
Tunnie's was about 2 and a half days by the time we'd finished calibrating and mapping it... But we didn't exactly rush ::)
As said in the other thread... If shifts allow I'm willing to lend a hand :y
A lot of Bacon butties were consumed ;D
What saved time though is having pre-drilled, tapped, and injector mounted manifold. If you have a weekend in mind, let me know see what i can do here, can bring it here, more space to work on it, and if it rains push it in the garage :y
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you could do a lot worse than try this outfit, couple of polish guys and a kraut,i have seen the quality of there work and its first rate :y
http://www.professautogas.co.uk/
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My spare 2.2 inlet manifold is around (tunnie ?). The idea is you can get it drilled and nozzles fitted without putting your car off the road. Then the whole job can be done in stages, a day at a time, with the car still usable in between.
Ken
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you could do a lot worse than try this outfit, couple of polish guys and a kraut,i have seen the quality of there work and its first rate :y
http://www.professautogas.co.uk/
Teilo speaks quite highly of them actually. Only trouble is, I think they fit the nozzles without removing the manifold :o :o
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you could do a lot worse than try this outfit, couple of polish guys and a kraut,i have seen the quality of there work and its first rate :y
http://www.professautogas.co.uk/
Teilo speaks quite highly of them actually. Only trouble is, I think they fit the nozzles without removing the manifold :o :o
Yep, which is why IIRC they say they can do your install in 1 day. :y
Having seen with my own eyes the amount of swarf generated during drilling, and even allowing for the drill bit being well greased to 'capture as it cuts' , I wouldn't want to take the chance of getting any in my engine. :-X
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you could do a lot worse than try this outfit, couple of polish guys and a kraut,i have seen the quality of there work and its first rate :y
http://www.professautogas.co.uk/
Teilo speaks quite highly of them actually. Only trouble is, I think they fit the nozzles without removing the manifold :o :o
Yep, which is why IIRC they say they can do your install in 1 day. :y
Having seen with my own eyes the amount of swarf generated during drilling, and even allowing for the drill bit being well greased to 'capture as it cuts' , I wouldn't want to take the chance of getting any in my engine. :-X
3/4 guys who know exactly what they're doing. They start early and finish late ;)
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I don't trust installers - that said I hope someone can help me check the calibration at Newent as I is using a bit too much gas.
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I don't trust installers - that said I hope someone can help me check the calibration at Newent as I is using a bit too much gas.
Unfortunately I'm not going but I think Kevin is. Have you got the software and lead?
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I don't trust installers - that said I hope someone can help me check the calibration at Newent as I is using a bit too much gas.
Unfortunately I'm not going but I think Kevin is. Have you got the software and lead?
Yes - they live in the car -my boss deleted RISN off his laptop :( :(
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I don't trust installers - that said I hope someone can help me check the calibration at Newent as I is using a bit too much gas.
Turn it down to 'simmer' when you're stood at the lights Martin ;D :y
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I wonder if the next one can be done in 2 days ::)
Tunnie's was about 2 and a half days by the time we'd finished calibrating and mapping it... But we didn't exactly rush ::)
As said in the other thread... If shifts allow I'm willing to lend a hand :y
Well if we gat the correct size hole cutter for the boot floor.....
And don't forget there's a fair bit more work with the number plate filler. Bumper on and off at least half a dozen times and welding the cross member bracket etc....
Plus it took us a while to suss the vap mounting which will be a dodle on the dbw engine...
All things considered....time for curry on Sunday night as well...calibrate on the way to the restaurant. :y
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I wonder if the next one can be done in 2 days ::)
Tunnie's was about 2 and a half days by the time we'd finished calibrating and mapping it... But we didn't exactly rush ::)
As said in the other thread... If shifts allow I'm willing to lend a hand :y
Well if we gat the correct size hole cutter for the boot floor.....
And don't forget there's a fair bit more work with the number plate filler. Bumper on and off at least half a dozen times and welding the cross member bracket etc....
Plus it took us a while to suss the vap mounting which will be a dodle on the dbw engine...
All things considered....time for curry on Sunday night as well...calibrate on the way to the restaurant. :y
Someone mention curry? :D :D
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And don't forget there's a fair bit more work with the number plate filler. Bumper on and off at least half a dozen times and welding the cross member bracket etc....
You forgot the precision CNC laser cutting of the bumper crossmember. That reminds me. must put a new disk in my angle grinder. ::)
Kevin
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I would use a number plate filler again - handy to be able to fill from either side, esp with some Shell stations using shorter hoses for 'safety reasons'
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I would use a number plate filler again - handy to be able to fill from either side, esp with some Shell stations using shorter hoses for 'safety reasons'
Only draw back I see is having to park further forward, by about 6ft, meaning the front of the car is in the way on smaller forecourts or those with pumps in a line side by side. Also means others sometiimes feel the need to turn round and reverse up to use the petrol pump on the same number. And ask me to step aside while they reach over for the nozzle, not realising...
1 I can't release the button without having to pay
2 That I'm going to tell them very politely to break right off and wait their rather turn >:(
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I would use a number plate filler again - handy to be able to fill from either side, esp with some Shell stations using shorter hoses for 'safety reasons'
Only draw back I see is having to park further forward, by about 6ft, meaning the front of the car is in the way on smaller forecourts or those with pumps in a line side by side. Also means others sometiimes feel the need to turn round and reverse up to use the petrol pump on the same number. And ask me to step aside while they reach over for the nozzle, not realising...
1 I can't release the button without having to pay
2 That I'm going to tell them very politely to break right off and wait their rather turn >:(
I've noticed lot of Rangies have rear filler in bumper, trouble is at Asda they can't fill it if the pump in front of LPG is in use :(
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I would use a number plate filler again - handy to be able to fill from either side, esp with some Shell stations using shorter hoses for 'safety reasons'
Only draw back I see is having to park further forward, by about 6ft, meaning the front of the car is in the way on smaller forecourts or those with pumps in a line side by side. Also means others sometiimes feel the need to turn round and reverse up to use the petrol pump on the same number. And ask me to step aside while they reach over for the nozzle, not realising...
1 I can't release the button without having to pay
2 That I'm going to tell them very politely to break right off and wait their rather turn >:(
I've noticed lot of Rangies have rear filler in bumper, trouble is at Asda they can't fill it if the pump in front of LPG is in use :(
Yeah, same sort of thing. LPG pump not long enough, plus the heft of the pump and hose when you let go means you rearly want to be parked level to the pump outlet as the nozzle can pull and hiss. One of the reasons TB's mark 2 version is mounted to the metal cross member to save flexing the bumper.
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I would use a number plate filler again - handy to be able to fill from either side, esp with some Shell stations using shorter hoses for 'safety reasons'
Only draw back I see is having to park further forward, by about 6ft, meaning the front of the car is in the way on smaller forecourts or those with pumps in a line side by side. Also means others sometiimes feel the need to turn round and reverse up to use the petrol pump on the same number. And ask me to step aside while they reach over for the nozzle, not realising...
1 I can't release the button without having to pay
2 That I'm going to tell them very politely to break right off and wait their rather turn >:(
I've noticed lot of Rangies have rear filler in bumper, trouble is at Asda they can't fill it if the pump in front of LPG is in use :(
Yeah, same sort of thing. LPG pump not long enough, plus the heft of the pump and hose when you let go means you rearly want to be parked level to the pump outlet as the nozzle can pull and hiss. One of the reasons TB's mark 2 version is mounted to the metal cross member to save flexing the bumper.
Bumper on mine does flex quite a bit :-[
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I would use a number plate filler again - handy to be able to fill from either side, esp with some Shell stations using shorter hoses for 'safety reasons'
Only draw back I see is having to park further forward, by about 6ft, meaning the front of the car is in the way on smaller forecourts or those with pumps in a line side by side. Also means others sometiimes feel the need to turn round and reverse up to use the petrol pump on the same number. And ask me to step aside while they reach over for the nozzle, not realising...
1 I can't release the button without having to pay
2 That I'm going to tell them very politely to break right off and wait their rather turn >:(
I tend to fill up in Milton Keynes (cheaper), and that is full of the most arrogant tossers outside of London. Needless to say, Mr Angry does come out most times I fill up (not helped by the fact that the filling station I use tends to close pumps for cleaning at about 8:30am (busiest time), because thats what time the care-in-the-community bloke starts.
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So, is it best to get another manifold? then that can be drilled and fitted out, everything else put on the car and then is one session change the manifold, that way the car can remain on the road...... :)
If I get another manifold is it worth spending time on polishing the ports...... :question :-/
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i've got a spare manifold for a 2.2 here :y
I just had the spare (donated from KenT) drilled and tapped, not much point polishing parts of it, just make sure the base is clean :)
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So, is it best to get another manifold? then that can be drilled and fitted out, everything else put on the car and then is one session change the manifold, that way the car can remain on the road...... :)
If I get another manifold is it worth spending time on polishing the ports...... :question :-/
Yep, pre drill another manifold, tap and fit nozzles.
Swap manifolds, mount injectors, fit pipes to nozzles on manifold to make it air tight, and the car is then drivable, do the rest as and when.